simulations in weather equal to that? that the pilot reported? and also how quickly can they get into trouble in a situation like that? >> very quickly because what typically happens, or what has happened in these types of storms, is that the area that looks most clear, and the area that looks the safest to go through, is actually the worst because that's where these updrafts that jeff had just mentioned occur. that's where the hot air is coming up out of it to feed the storm. and so when pilots see that they're mistakenly thinking that maybe that's the best place for them to go. so if they had made an attempt to go into one of these holes, it could be just devastating for the aircraft because of the updrafts and downdrafts that occur in that particular region of the clouds. >> they would be trained not to do that right? and go through simulations when that's an option and told not to do that? is that right, david? >> yeah they are, but remember
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