outside of the normal channels, but then they need to be part of u.s. foreign policy, and approaching those goals. >> mr. kent? >> agree. >> ambassador taylor, you have described in your previous testimony one instance shortly after arriving in ukraine in which ambassador sondland asked state department officials no the to listen to a july 28th call he had planned to hold with president zelensky. did you find that unusual? >> i did. >> what was the impact of ambassador sondland making that request? you found it unusual. what do you believe the impact was? >> i'm not sure there was intermediate impact. >> was there a recording or transcript? >> that was the impact. it was not recorded. >> is that why the request was made, do you think, so there would not be normal state department employees from the operation center that would have