of us, you know, i got engaged in the community because i wanted to know more. i was a relatively good athlete. got a job in the biggest swimming pool in the black community east side, they call it, the projects, i was the only white employee there. i began to learn -- i thought i knew what the problem was. i remember a friend, fellow life guard asking me at lunch break, do i have a jury can. 5 gall can. >> i'm going to go visit my grandma. we can't stop at gas stations in the south. i'm thinking -- anyway, then, you know, my whole generation, people don't quite get it, understandably because i'm so much older, but i remember in i think it was '62, '63 sitting at the university of delaware and watching bull connor take those hoses and hose down women and going -- in their sunday best going to church and it was like,