get after those lines and those units and they're doing it quite well. >> do you think the arsonal that has been making its way across the border, whether it's in a cland clandestine way getting to ukrainian military defenses has been successful? do you think more is coming? is that enough to take out these russian forces that are as you put it, kind of at a standstill? >> right. the short answer, yes to your first question. yes to your second question. it's making a difference. they're getting into the right units. that transition, that handoff is working. the answer to your last question is no. it's not sufficient by itself. it needs to continue and it will. look, these nato partners are stepping up and the united states is doing a masterful job to make sure the right place to facilitate that transition without getting involved. there is a lot of science in