>> i think he is as you say a breath of fresh air. i especially loved -- i have my sister is a religious. she's a nun. >> oh, really? >> yeah. and so i especially loved when he said that women have to take a more prominent -- sisters have to take a more prominent role in the church. and that was -- he's just -- he's just extraordinary. >> he does seem a special guy to me. i think he's going to be a big shakeup for the church and it's long overdue. let's talk about comedy. the nature of comedy change but does it really change? you were telling me there's a new miniseries on johnny carson. you stood in for him 80 times. but does comedy staple the same or do the jokes get repackaged? >> no, i don't think they get repackaged. but steve allen used to say --