>> a lot of white male faces. >> you said it. so how we make sure that, again, our court is representative of the country, and so i want to make sure that the president nominates an exceptional candidate, an exceptional individual, and i would be honored to be able to support an exceptional african american woman. >> i think basically the court should represent the makeup of our country. it's time for this. it's absolutely time. >> big picture, this is the last question for both of you. what are the forces that are making bipartisanship difficult and how do we change the incentive structure in this country? let me start with you on that. >> the things that are making it difficult, i think, are outside groups that basically say, it's an either/or proposition. if you can't get as much as we want on voting rights, then we're going to smack it down. if you can't ce to -- if you