and then it comes down to what will the justice department do if anything once we all get used to the idea that there could be criminal liability for a former president. will the justice department take action. that will depend on whether they feel like they can win a case beyond a reasonable doubt. and sort of political appetite for that. but of course, merrick garland will be attorney general regardless of what happens with the mid-terms. so that's the long run game hear. whether that will kick in in some way. >> what do you think of all the progressives griping that merrick garland hand been forceful enough? he hasn't done anything with mark meadows who is, you know, is refusing to cooperate with the committee and has been indicted? what's the term i'm looking for. >> well, he has -- bannon has been indicted. >> they haven't indicted him. >> they did make a recommendation. >> the house voted to hold him