happen. the conversation is being shifted to a conversation about debt reform, about too much spending. notice they didn't say anything about tax reform today when they brought up the conversation about reducing the deficit. what they want to do is what groover talked about is going back and talking about obama care. the president is doing what anyone would do if the opposition began with the non-starter of we want you to repeal the legislation that started this conversation. >> we'll come back and we got a lot of time with this all-star panel. i want to get into the couple that were thrown out of the home they legally owned in the wake of shutdown. a shocking story. a shocking story. this guy is a korean war hero. is that true? says here that cheerios has whole grain oats that can help remove some cholesterol, and that's heart healthy. ♪ [ dad ] jan?