point, the president and our nato allies have said we are in this for the long haul, in the meantime we are trying to accelerate the production of more 155 emissions. this stockpile we have of the cluster munitions is a result, we phase them out i think in 2016, so we have a large stockpile of them, those will be used in the interim until our manufacturers can really accelerate the production of the conventional munitions as opposed to the cluster. >> you have a really unique view on this, in 2001 you instituted a policy requiring the united states to have those munitions have a less than 1% dud rate, which means the parts that don't explode when is deployed. what does it mean, for the safety of the weapons for the rate to be as low as it is, for the u.s. provided weapons to ukraine?
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