>> kevin? >> well, look. let's stipulate first that there's no party that has a -- has a monopoly on extreme re rhetoric. sarah murray made an important point earlier that anything can happen when you have a town hall. donald trump is learning that lesson now. he has a lot of experience talking to people's anxieties and talking in a way that -- >> i don't think anyone -- i think taking -- >> hold on. i haven't -- >> let me finish. i think people are not -- >> let me finish my point. >> people are not taking offense to the question in that point. the questioner in that way. it's just the response. you don't know. people can say anything. >> and that's where i was going. that's where i was going. i think the big problem is that when you have a moment like that, that is unscripted, what happens is character and judgments are revealed. and we look back at the moment that dana covered many years