iowa. i think it's part of the reason why he -- his numbers are shooting up in iowa. i don't think people blief in iowa that the piebl is donald trump's favorite book, you but ben carson seems to be a much more credible messenger of the evangelical message. there is a dog whistle for that kind of voter, but when it comes to the general election, there will be a loud to the seven in ten amerians who believe abortion should be maintained safe and legal and they will hurt him in a general election. >> do you believe carson is better with its signaling to the republican party? >> absolutely not. i think what he's doing, again, it's the pander to a specific base just in iowa. he hopes to become contagious. but the state you're going ov overturn roev. wade, you're