parts of the black sea, this eastern part of ukraine was not on the prohibition list for flying over. now, in the last hour, we've heard from lieu tlufthansa and turkish. this is an old picture from flight radar. if you look at flight radar 24 thousand -- >> there's still aircraft flying there. >> there's still aircraft -- there's still aircraft flying there. >> if we were to show a picture of flight radar 24 over that area now, you were just showing -- >> yeah, i can't get it on my phone right now, but yeah, we just took a look at the live radar, there are still aircraft operating in this area. >> civilian aircraft. >> yes. >> and the pilots i've been speaking to this morning still say -- one of my colleagues -- or one of my friends flew from