This is what dr. Robert redfield actually said to the Washington Post about what might happen if a second wave of the virus hits during flu season. The article was published yesterday with headlines around the world. In fact, dr. Redfield himself liked the article enough to promote it on twitter. As you can see right there from his tweet, he tweeted out a link to that article. Last night, and heres part of what he said in that article. Quote, there is a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through. And when ive said this to others they kind of put their head back. They dont understand what i mean, end quote. So, again, he tweeted out a link to the story last night. Now little less than 24 hours later, at tonights briefing at the white house, the president said redfield was misquoted and he called redfield to the podium to say that what he said didnt actually mean what his words actually said. But they did. Lets listen. I didnt say this was going to be worse. I said it was going to be more difficult and potentially complicated because well have flu and coronavirus circulating at the same time. The key to my comments, and the reason that i really wanted to stress them, was to appeal to the American Public to embrace the flu vaccine with confidence. One of the greatest tools we have as we go through the fall winter season were into is to get the American Public to embrace the influenza vaccine and thereby minimize the impact of flu to be the corespiratory disease we confront. Just to be absolutely clear, in introducing dr. Redfield, the president said he took issue with the piece that was head lined he called fake. Cdc director warns second wave of coronavirus would be worse. It now reads second wave of coronavirus is likely to be more devastating. Neither of which appeared to inaccurately characterize what dr. Redfield said, which is the next wave could be more difficult than this one. In any case, the president can say as he did at the briefing the doctor was totally misquoted and make the doctor get up and toe the line. When asked precisely tonight, dr. Redfield at the podium took issue with the way the piece was headlined, but admitted he was accurately quoted. Just to remind you, not to let falsehood have the last word, here is what he said. Quote, there is a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through. And when ive said this to others they kind of put their head back. They dantoni understand what i mean. And when asked about protests against stayathome orders and the president calling on states to be liberated, dr. Redfield told the Washington Post, quote, its not helpful. And then to repeat, he tweeted out the link to the story, the same story he claimed he was disavowing tonight be in front of the president. Lets be real. This is part of a pattern. Anthony fauci said something that displeased the president. Rick bright seeking whistleblower status after being pulled from his job. He said he didnt push the president s drug of choice, hydroxychloroquine. Pointing out the statement he released tonight. I believe the transfer was in response to my insistence the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by congress to address the pandemic and vet safe solution and not those that lack scientific merit. Im speaking out because not politics or kronyism has to lead the way. President was asked about it in the briefing and gave a familiar answer. Mr. President , i want to ask you about rick bright. Hes the head of the federal agency in charge of getting a vaccine out to americans once its ready. He says he has been pushed out of his job because he raised questions about hydroxychloroquine, some of your directives about that. Was he pushed i never heard of him. You just mentioned a name. I never heard of him. When did this happen . This happened today. A guy says he was pushed out of a job . Maybe he was, maybe he wasnt. Id have to hear the other side. I dont know who he is. He is one of the many professionals trying to do their jobs which is trying to save lives, which is also what cdc official Nancy Messinger was doing when she warned in late february that Community Spread of coronavirus was likely. Tonight wall street journal is reporting the president was so angry he called the secretary of health and Human Services and threatened to fire her for telling the truth. President calls himself a wartime president. In truth it seems the first, last and constant casualty in this war. More now from cnn chief White House Correspondent jim accosta. What are you learning about rick bright and the clash thats happening here . Reporter he sounds like hes a casualty, anderson, of the president s war on scientists, war on science in the administration. Dr. Bright is going to file a whistleblower complaint. He is protesting his removal from his position leading that agency that is charged with vaccine development. He was working on a vaccine for the coronavirus when he was abruptly pulled out of his position. He had been clashing with top officials with health and Human Services. But it was basically over the points he raises in this lengthy Statement Released to reporters earlier today. Essentially saying that he protested inside hhs this tendency on the part of the president , other administration officials, to show preference for treatments like hydroxychloroquine when the science is just not even settled on that and there are studies showing it doesnt work. And when this doctor, dr. Bright, raised questions about it, he is saying he was ousted from his position and talking to a source familiar with the situation this evening, anderson, we are told that he hasnt even been told what hes going to be doing over at the National Institutes of health. And so it sounds like hes been pushed out of this job into another job and he doesnt even know what that job is going to be yet. What is his next step . Reporter at this point he is saying he is going to be fighting for his job, according to the source we spoke with earlier this evening. He is going to be fighting for this job. He wants to be reinstated back into his position over at that agency. But you heard the president there a few moments ago essentially pouring cold water on that idea saying, well, maybe he was pushed out, maybe he wasnt. Anderson, from all appearances he was absolutely pushed out and that is what dr. Bright is saying. And it sounds as though hes going to have his chance to make his case. I will point out, though, dr. Anthony fauci who appeared at the briefing this evening seemed to say that dr. Bright is going to be welcomed over at n. I. H. And given some important responsibilities, but its not clear whether or not dr. Bright has been informed of that yet. Jim accosta. Jim, stay with us. Want to bring in our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta and gloria borger. He stressed coronavirus may not come back in the fall but we may see embers. Do you have any idea about coronavirus embers . No, the virus is the virus. The virus is the one constant in this whole equation. We have to continue to be able to react to this virus which, you know, continue to be the physical distancing measures and probably really spearheaded as we talked about so many times by testing. Finding people who were infected, isolating them, finding their contacts, all that. But the virus is not going away. I mean, its here. Its a contagious virus. It can be lethal in certain cases as we know. Ultimately a vaccine may inoculate us against the virus, which would be great and a real significant development. But this is part of our human environment now, this virus. So its not going away. How we react to it is what may change. Gloria, this is the second time a doctor has clarified their remarks at the podium or been brought up to clarify, even though what dr. Redfield was clarifying was exact little what he had said. So last week it was dr. Fauci after he told jake tapper mitigation could save lives. Tonight dr. Redfield. What do you make of this pattern . Well, first of all, i think its a disgusting pattern honestly. These are professionals who choose their words carefully. And, you know, if you looked at the picture tonight of dr. Redfield standing up there and the president standing to his side, looking like the executioner who could chop off his head at any time and fire him if he wanted to. And we know the president can do that. And still, what he did was he got up there and he effectively he couched it, but he effectively said what he said. He said the Washington Post was accurate. And i would argue that tony fauci did exactly the same thing when he stood up there. And i think perhaps the reason they all still have their jobs, because the president would probably like to get rid of anyone who disagrees with him or challenges him or gets him in trouble with the public, is that he looks at the polls and he understands that the scientists are trusted more by the American Public than he is. And so he needs them right now. He needs them in his corner as angry as it might make him. It would be very difficult for him to get rid of them. Jim, its interesting the president said heed never heard of rick bright. Maybe he has never heard of rick bright. It is kind of his goto thing of, you know, people he just he says hes never heard of them and then, of course, people hes been photographed with numerous times. Its the lev parnas who was working with rudy giuliani. Reporter the coffee boy. Yes. Reporter anderson, sounds like the excuses we got during the russia investigation, various figures of the russia investigation were the coffee boys. They had more coffee boys than coffee during the russia investigation. The president seems to be offering up the same excuse about dr. Rick bright. The president may not have personally known dr. Bright and we dont know that for a fact at this point. Were still digging on that point. But obviously he was known inside h. H. S. Because he was clashing with these Health Officials. And keep in mind, think about where dr. Bright was standing versus where some of these other Top Health Officials in the administration were standing. President trump and figures on fox news have been touting hydroxychloroquine for weeks as a treatment for the coronavirus. Remember the president standing in the Briefing Room saying, what do you have to lose . What do you have to lose . And so on. And what dr. Bright was raising internally is that not only do you lose the concept of time because youre being treated with something that may not be effective, but there are also health risks. There are cardiovascular risks with hydroxychloroquine, and that is starting to show up in some of these studies, showing a higher mortality rate and so on. So dr. Bright was on the side of science. He was on the side of saving lives. And it sounds like there were Top Health Officials he was clashing with who were siding with the president no matter the cost. I want to bring in another voice to the conversation now, lena sun who interviewed dr. Redfield for her report in the Washington Post. Im wondering what you make of what you just witnessed of him in the podium because it seemed like the president was saying he was going to walk back what he said to you in the interview, but he actually did just verify that, in fact, he was quoted accurately in the interview. He was quoted accurately. We had a very good conversation. He spent a lot of time talking about the importance of getting the flu vaccination and why it was important for americans to get this message and how the public Health Officials had to prepare for this summer so that when covid19 hits in the fall, which has very similar symptoms to flu, that the Public Health capacity, hospitals would not be overwhelmed. He made this point of saying americans needed to get the flu vaccination because that way the hospital beds would be available for their mothers and grand mothers who might need it for covid. Right. I mean, that is an important point as we pointed out a lot in our coverage. There are Many Americans do not get the flu vaccine even though it has it is as deadly as it is. I mean, the flu is a dangerous thing and people die of it every year. The president said today that the headline to your story was, quote, totally inaccurate. I just want to put the headline up on the screen which is, quote, cdc director warns second wave of coronavirus is likely to be even more devastating. I mean, just from a factual standpoint, saying its more likely to be more devastating and more difficult is essentially the same thing. If a deadly virus is more difficult, i mean, its more devastating. Wondering what your response is to the president s issue with the wording. Its sort of use your common sense. If you have this covid19 if coronavirus now is hitting the United States and it took place after flu season had already want waned and youre seeing stress on hospital, lack of protective equipment, lack of ventilators, just imagine what it would be like if it hit the same time as flu in the fall. And dr. Redfield himself said that we were lucky that it didnt hit at the same time as flu this year because and then in his quote that i quoted him, he said that it would be very, very, very i think he used four verys, difficult on the Health System capacity. So you take all those things. Flu at the same time as coronavirus. And if people dont get vaccinated, the rush to hospitals it is just common sense, the portrait would be when he says difficult and people not understanding what he means, it means that hes drawing this picture for americans of how bad it could be. That seems to me the definition of devastating. Bottom line, you stand by your story. We stand by my story. I stand by my story. And dr. Redfield said he was quoted accurately. And i would point out, anderson, after the story posted he also tweeted and encouraged people to read the story. We put up his tweet earlier. Lena, i appreciate your reporting. Sanjay, i want to turn to georgia. The president said he disagrees with the governors decision to open businesses friday, nail salons, Massage Therapy spas and the like. Dr. Fauci said he would urge the governor to be careful. As a resident of georgia, as a physician, are there any signs that the government is listening . It doesnt seem like it. No, and, in fact, over the last few minutes, you know, Governor Kemp has now responded to what President Trump said. And President Trump said he strongly disagrees with Governor Kemps decision to reopen things in georgia. As you mentioned, dr. Fauci said he would advise him against it. Yesterday ambassador birx said there are outbreaks going on. This doesnt meet the guidelines, the gating criteria. What we just heard, anderson, thats not going to change a thing in the governors mind. Hes still planning on moving forth with this plan to start reopening things on friday. Hair salons, nail salons, tattoo what do they call them, tattoo parlors, whatever it might be, all these things. Dont pretend you dont know about tattoos, sanjay. I dont think youre a tattoo guy. [ laughter ] not a tattoo guy. How do you socially how do you physically distance at those sorts of places . I still dont i think a lot of people are thinking common sense here. It just doesnt fit. Yeah, and restaurants and theaters on monday, according to the governor of georgia. Dr. Sanjay gupta, thank you. Gloria borger, lena sun. The governor of las vegas wants to end her stay. Something Health Officials say should not happen. Thats not what the governor of nevada thinks. Ill show you my interview with the mayor earlier today. Well talk with the man who issued the order governor of nevada. 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The conversation went on for more than 25 minutes. Well play 15 minutes of it for you because we think its important to understand the thinking of, in this case, the mayor of las vegas. Afterwards well talk with the governor of nevada. Thanks so much for being with us, mayor. You say that you assume everyone has the virus and is just asymptomatic. You want casinos open, vegas back in business. Is that a responsible call to make . That wasnt the call that i was really making. It was to get people back to work. We have so many in our hospitality crew, probably were 2 1 2 Million People down here in Southern Nevada and we have so many out of work because of the casino shutdown. You want thats a piece of it. I want the hotel rooms open. We have 155,000 hotel rooms, and most of our people who live here and are part of the population, are hooked to those hotel rooms in some way or ancillary way. So you want hotel rooms, casinos, the theaters open . I mean, you want vegas back in business, no . I want our restaurants open. I want our Small Businesses open. I want people back in employment. We have so many families that cant even afford to get the groceries for their family because theyve been out of work for six weeks. Casinos, you want them open. Obviously visitors arent going to come without casinos and shows and things. No, theyll come because they love we have Major League Sports here. So you want stadiums open. Id love everything open because i think weve had viruses for years that have been here. Youre talking about encouraging hundreds of thousands of people to come to las vegas to get the financial losses people are suffering which is awful. But youre encouraging hundreds of thousands of people coming there in casinos, smoking, drinking, touching slot machines, breathing circulated air and then returning home to states around america and countries around the world. Doesnt that sound like a virus petri dish . I mean, how is that safe . No, what it sounds like youre being an alarmist. Im not. I lived a long life. I grew up in the heart of manhattan. I know what its like to be with subways and on buses. Im being an alarmist . I think you are by saying what you have just said. So you dont believe there should be any social distancing . You dont believe of course i believe there should be. Of course. How do you do that in a casino . Thats up to them to figure out. I dont own a casino. I dont know anything about building a casino. Im sorry. Youre the mayor of las vegas yes. You want casinos to be open even though you have no authority over casinos. Yes. You say open them up but you have no responsibility about how that would be done safely . New york cio, youre blurrin you said its not your job. Im not as private owner of a hotel. I wish i were. I would have the cleanest hotel with 6 feet figured out for every human being that comes in there. If you cant figure out how to do this safely, why as mayor of a city that you are responsible for the peoples safety are you calling for something that you have no plan for how it would be done safely . I am not a private owner. Thats the competition in this country. The Free Enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public. Right now were in a Crisis Health wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. Thats their job. Thats not the mayors job. Let me ask you, what are you doing as mayor to improve Contact Tracing and testing in las vegas . Well, first of all, as someone who is pretty sure she possibly had it january i have already been into the hospital, say take my plasma. Im not talking about you. Im talking about what are you doing as mayor to improve Contact Tracing . And im calling upon everyone to go ahead, if theyre positive, to go ahead and see if they can help be part of the preventive or the treatment pool that will have this plasma available. Are you doing anything on testing and Contact Tracing . Because in order to open businesses, every scientist says i dont have that. I dont have that. Thats for scientists. The whole thing is truth validated fact, youre calling for businesses to reopen. Yes. Every scientist and person who looks at this says what we really need to do that is more testing and more Contact Tracing. Evgen wait, wait, wait. That cant work. Were not getting the truth. And i know over the years going back to the 1950s with the atomic bomb dont worry about testing in nevada. Youll all be fine, take a shower. The reality is southern youre the one saying well all be fine. What were saying is testing and contact no, no, no, youre putting words in my mouth. I said open up las vegas. Let us get started and go back to work. We have all these people out of work that cant even feed their families or take care of their families. Maam, i get the pain thats out there and its real. Yes, it is. Im not minimizing it. Im asking as mayor what are you doing to improve testing, make it more accessible and improve Contact Tracing . Because every scientist who you say you listen to will tell you thats what you need in order to get online as fast as possible. What are you doing . Every single email that comes in with offers to give us the kits and get it here, i send it up to the people in the hospitals for them to film ter through to find out if these test kits and everything thats being offered and provided for them thats not my job. You said you talked to Los Angeles Mayor eric garcetti. Yes. If you talk to mayor garcetti, hes doing everything he can to improve testing in los angeles. What are you doing . I think thats wonderful. You said its not your job. Wait, no, it is not part of our job. Thats part of our health department, part of our hospital jobs, our labs. Those are the ones who are the experience and everything being the governor says unfortunately i know the mayor. Im not a politician. I am a politician because im a mayor. No, no, no. Who are his people and are they, in fact, the best we can have . Im assuming yes, and all im doing is asking for a plan so i can tell our people who are calling by the thousands, when are they going to get a paycheck, how can they get a roof over their heads. I am down in the groundwork with the people who have made this city what it is, who have come here to live, come here to build it, and we were not broken. And we need to get back to work. Thats it. There is a chinese researchers have shown how the virus spread. I want to put up for our viewers, this is a restaurant anderson, you are tough. Back to china. This isnt china, this is las vegas, nevada. Okay, thats really ignorant. This is a restaurant thats ignorant to say thats an ignorant statement. Thats a restaurant. And yes, its in china, but theyre human beings, too. Of course they are. A person who is asymptomatic and infected and all those circles are diners who that one diner passed the virus to. All those other people became infected in a restaurant that had air conditioning and they believe it was the air conditioning which helped the virus spread to all those other people. And you remember the legionnaires disease in 1976 in philadelphia came all through the air conditioning. You dont remember because youre younger. I do remember. Typhoid mary who i think passed away well, anyway, during the late 30s rode the buses, was a cook, and she was asymptomatic and she spread a fear of getting typhoid, and she never showed a sign of it. And she lived most of her life quarantined. The reality was, i think 58 people passed away from typhoid, and so were aware of this. We learn from history. Weve had ebola. Weve had the west nile. Weve had polio. It was painful. You didnt have people with ebola on the casino floor. Well, we dont know that. You do because if you had it a neighbor of mine died from west nile because the Swimming Pool on the next property was filled with mosquitoes and the people who had abandoned the house left the pool full. So we live with this is part of life, the challenges. As mayor, are you not concerned when you see just that restaurant yes, im concerned how air condition spreads this and other people become infected . Yes, from legionnaires disease, thats what i said. We lost a lot of people in that hotel who had gone ahead and been in the hotel and died because it came through. And there were steps to take to stop that by changing the air filtering, if my memory serves me correct on legionnaires disease. There are not yet the steps to take with this other than social distancing. Right. So people do that. I mean, i love watching our people here. Theyre so careful. And even as we have we work every single day. I have not missed a day. And anybody who is in or comes into the office that needs an appointment or has an issue, they all are with their masks on or we always enforce social distancing. And the office is absolutely pristine with germfree youre talking about your office . Well, hopefully everything in the building. Wed shutdown the lobby. We have not had a problem with it. Mayor, look, you love your city and i get you want it to go back to work. I totally get that. And you hear from people, you know, youre in a really tough position. I get it. But it just seems really irresponsible given that, a, you actually have no responsibility or say over casinos or what happens on the strip. That youre not out there doing anything about thats true. Youre not doing anything about trying to improve testing like your friend mayor garcetti is doing in los angeles or improve Contact Tracing. Youre simply sitting there and saying, you know, get back to work. Get these casinos open again. And you have no idea or plan or youve done nothing to try to figure out whats the best way to make that happen. How far apart should, you know, a dealer be from the people . How should the hours youre offering nothing other than being a cheerleader, which i guess is what part of your job is and i respect that. And you seem like a very nice person. But i dont understand, do you not have any sense of responsibility if youre calling for something to at least try to work to make it as safe as possible . If you go back to everything i say, its been always about putting our workers back to work. It is not about the casinos. Its not about anything other than putting those who have lost their jobs in a city that wasnt broken and didnt have disease back to work. Were 2. 3 Million People here. We have 309,000 300 cases in nevada, 63 deaths. Thats with social distancing. Youre saying there was no yeah, nevada. Youre saying there was no problem in las vegas, like there was no disease . There was not the virus in las vegas . Because earlier you said you believe everyone is asymptomatic. No, no, im sure in january and i know plenty of people who were coughing, some are fevers and if they did they stayed home because they thought it was the flu. The flu is unbelievably powerful still. And so, of course, we know that. And we tried to work on the sensitivities of people to be responsible as to spreading any kind of germ. Whether its the flu or whether its dont you think its worked in las vegas, social distancing, dont you think its worked . 163 deaths, that is compared to some other states were 150. Were 2. 3 2. 3 Million People in Southern Nevada and weve had 150 deaths. 163 i believe is the latest number. Wrong, thats for nevada. This is down here. 150. Hasnt it been because of social distancing that the numbers have been what they are . How do you know until we have a control group . We offered to be a control group. Anybody who knows anything about statistics knows that, for instance, you have a vaccine youre offering the citizens of las vegas to be a control group to see if your theory on social distancing works or doesnt work . Wrong, absolutely wrong. Dont put words in my mouth. You just said well be a control group. Excuse me. What i said was i offered to be a control group, and i was told by our statistician we cant do that because people from all parts of Southern Nevada come in to work in the city. And i said, oh, thats too bad, because i know when you have a disease, you have a placebo that gets water and the sugar and you get those that actually get the shot. We would love to be that placebo side to have something to measure against. You want to get the placebo, you dont want the actual the group that gets the placebo by the way, usually gets the short end of the stick. You dont know. How do you know when youre part of that group mayor, if casinos reopen, are you going to be inside those casinos every single night putting your own life on the line . I have lived in this town for 56 years. I asked the question. Are you going to go to the casinos every night and put your life on the line like all the workers, you say theyre holding their hands . We dont need it. We werent broken. As tragically 150 people we lost, tragic. We have 2. 3 Million People here. I havent heard you say yes you would be sitting on the casino floorz eve casino floors along with the people you say youre holding their hands with. What is the purpose first of all, i have a family. What are you doing . Youre putting your money where your mouth is to use a las vegas term. Wait a minute, anderson. Anderson anderson, listen. And breathe the refill ter refiltered air. I used to gamble when i first came to down. I work seven days a week. I have so many things i have to attend to. I wouldnt want to sit on the floors, either. Im with you on that one. It went on from there. Joining me now the governor of nevada. Governor, thanks for being with us. I just wonder what you make of the push by the mayor who has no responsibility or say over when the casinos actually open saying that it should open now, and that there was no disease in las vegas . Well, anderson, i appreciate you having me on and allowing me to respond to some of what she said. We are clearly not ready to open. We have sadly since you did that interview, we now have 187 deaths in the state of nevada, but over 4100 positive cases. I will not allow the citizens of nevada, our nevadans to be used as a control group, placebo, whatever she wants to call that. I will not allow that. I can tell you our largest trade union on the strip, Culinary Union 226 lost 11 members. They lost 11 members to covid19 already. Im going to do everything i can to make sure they dont lose 11 more. Clearly, you know, one can quibble with how the mayor says things and her logic or lack thereof. But there is look, there are certainly a lot of people who want to get back to business. Im sure you want to get back to business. What do you say, though, to those who say, look, you know, the solution to this is keeping us all locked up in our homes and socially distant. Its not worth the pain and the cost, economic and personal to people long term . Well, ive been saying that for five weeks now, anderson, and youre absolutely right. Ive never been prouder to be a nevadan than i am now. We put in restrictions, our executive orders and directives that call for social distancing and they call for hygiene and no large groups, you know, face coverings outside of your home. Weve been able to keep our numbers as low as they are right now, the 187, 4100 because of that. Ive got an enormous amount of cooperation from our citizens. There are clearly some who dont see things my way and theyve resisted. But most elected officials, mayor of reno, Marilyn Kirkpatrick did nothing but help me to expand our testing, expand our tracing and to open, open at the proper time. Las vegas is a great place to be. Its a fun time, its a great place to have a convention, come for a party, extended vacation, whatever that may be. And we want to welcome everybody back to las vegas. We want to welcome them back to the lights on the strip. But thats not today and its not tomorrow. And the resort operators have been incredibly phenomenal partners, great partners in operating this. And matt maddox, you might have seen the plan he came forward hes proposing to the gaming control board. They put a lot of time and effort into this. When we do it were going to do it right, but ive not going to allow our workers to be put in position where they have to decide between their job and their paycheck and their life. Thats not a fair position to put them in. I will not allow that to happen. It also seems to me, just a cheap argument, to say its either open up now or, you know, the alternative is destruction, that its a binary choice of either human health, lives or economic health. It seems to he am just long term for the health of las vegas is you want to have confidence. You dont want to have a reopening and then have to then pull back because theres been a huge outbreak. Thats going to just long term hurt confidence that people have in any community, in restaurants or movie theaters or casinos or whatever it may be. Youre absolutely right. I couldnt have said it better. Thats why we need a phased in approach to get to where we need to get to. Im following medical advice and scientists and statisticians and theyve exposed to me what were really dealing with in terms of the metrics and having to follow a graph and the model thats been established. I look at certain criteria. I look at hospitalizations as it relates to covid19, intensive care unit hospitalizations, ventilator usage, percent of positive tests versus tests that weve given. And they need those that have plateaued and begin the trajectory downward. I know people are asking [ inaudible ] for more clarity and more specificity, but you dont know when youre in the trajectory until youre already part way into the trajectory because you might be a little bit going down for a day, etulain or three and then going up again. Im listening to the medical people. Im listening to the scientists. They will decide along with the virus and behavior of our citizens when its time to start reopening in a phasedin approach. You mentioned the local culinary workers union. They put out a statement, the mayors statements are outrageous considering front line workers they need to be safe and healthy, not a petri dish. These are the workers who are the backbone of the community. Theyre absolutely the backbone, anderson. Theyre on the front lines. Theyre cleaning the rooms, serving the meals. Theyre out on the front edge of being exposed to this. These are 11 members, 11 lives. People talk about reopening prematurely. I have talked to people who have lost a loved one to covid19, to people that werent able to visit a dying parent in a nursing home because they had restrictions on the nursing home. I talked to i spent a half hour with our first ground zero patient that we had at our Veterans Home that came out of a coma he was in for 30 days skan he thanked me. He said, governor, ill be able to see my grandchildren. Had you not done this, it wouldnt be possible. Its important we protect the health and future and wellbeing of our citizens. We can rebuild our economy. We will rebuild our economy. Las vegas will continue to thrive. But i cant do that if i lose more people. We need to protect our health and their wellbeing. There will come a time to open las vegas in a phasedin approach. I urge everyone. Nevada has been incredible. The vast majority of citizens are wearing face coverings or practicing social distancing. Theyre doing everything they can. We need to send a sincere message and a consistent message and its difficult when we get one person thats kind of leading people astray and im disappointed in that. Governor, i appreciate your time and your efforts. Thank you. Thanks, anderson. Appreciate the opportunity. Take care. Coming up next a former secretary of health and Human Services on the need for more testing and the president s apparent war on his own science and professionals. Well be right back. baby coos laughter man on video chat hey man chasing dog oh no no no no baby crying tums ver bell rings la stick when heartburn hits fight back fast. With tums chewy bites. Beat heartburn fast tums chewy bites its got all my favorite shows turn oright there. 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Joining me tonight about the need for drastically more testing to safely reopen the economy and the president s apparent need for Health Professionals to toe the party line, joining us right now is former kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius who served as health and Human Services in the obama administration. The president differentiating between the second wave of the pandemic being more difficult versus it being more devastating, is there a difference between those two things in your mind . No. Either one of them is pretty terrible. What dr. Red ford is talking about is if you have a robust flu season and we never know really whats coming and you might have a vaccine thats fully effective or you might have a vaccine thats partially effective, were going to have a lot of patients, as we do every year, already with underline health conditions, already older, more vulnerable, pregnant women, others who are susceptible to the flu, they will be in hospital beds. Theyll be needing the kind of care. And then if you spread covid19 on top of that, it could be deadly for even more individuals in this country. And i mean, yeah, as you said, a second wave of the virus combined with the seasonal flu which a lot of americans do not even routinely get a vaccination for. Thats right. You know, one of the things dr. Redfield was saying, he was trying to impress upon people the importance of getting getting it and getting it as early as possible, were hoping that the vaccine would be very effective, but again, weve seen the vaccination numbers going down and there were a group in the country that were antivaccination and spread the misinformation on the airwaves. So flu vaccine is not a guarantee of anything, but we hope that there could be a communication plan that starts now to get people ready to go get the flu vaccine quickly and then hopefully to be ready to get the covid19 vaccine. Theres still a myth that covid19 is the flu so there will be a lot of people that feel ill do one or the other, but im not going to do both, that would be a deadly mistake. Its interesting how weve become zuszused to seeing the nations top scientists filtered through the lens of the white house. Its rare, i think it would be in normal times even in other health crises, theres been press conferences from the cdc, you know, the head of hhs speaking publicly. Everything now is filtered through the Vice President s office essentially. Does that is there a Chilling Effect and thats do you think it seems like thats intentional. Well, its, i think, very intentional. I work for a president who started with the fact that he sfe felt we needed to be guided by the science and felt as murky as things were with the vaccine and we havent seen the strain of the flu we were dealing with since 1918 that we had to tell people what we knew and what we didnt know and get out of the way and let the scientists, cdc and nih talk to the American Public. We did twice or three times a day updates on what was happening, when the vaccine would be available and what we knew about it and where it was going to be, but at every point along the way, president obama resisted political pressure to rewrite cdc guidance, we were bowed to social pressure and he kept saying we have to follow the science and let the public know what the scientists say. Im very alarmed that you get a lot of political spin before and after scientists talk, and today we saw them be asked to essentially correct what they say which is absolutely right on target that this second wave, and it is much more deadly, and i have no, and as we get closer to other treatment and vaccination and weve seen the president from the Briefing Room promote what is totally unproven as an effective treatment and called drug out by name that needs to go through serious clinical trials. Ive never seen that in my life. Secretary sebelius, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Sure. Take a quick look at the lines at a south florida food lines as it grows as a problem for the food supply. Thats when 360 continues. At t knows you have a lot of things on your mind. Staying connected shouldnt be one of them. Thats why were offering contactless delivery and setup on all devices. 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Good morning. Buenos dias. More than 60 volunteers showed up to help distribute potatoes, fruit, pickles and chicken, lots of it. How much chicken do you think youre giving away today . I dont know, but its a lot. Much of the food gathered by the Nonprofit Group farm share was purchased from farmers so it wouldnt go to waste. Weve seen probably the biggest need in the history of farm share during this pandemic. Are you hungry . Yes. Many who came to pick up food told me theyve lost their job and are running out of food at home. [ speaking Foreign Language ] no job, no mono pep so youre coming for the food . Reporter he told me hes been out of work for weeks and has no food at home. Same story for this man. Do you need food badly . Yeah, yeah, yeah. Im not working at this moment. Youre not working so you need food . I need food for my family. Reporter and the fact that its free, so that helps. Good idea. Reporter because you dont have the money to pay for it right now. No. Reporter each family takes home about 15 pounds of food. During this pandemic, farm share has given away 5 Million Pounds of food to families in miamidade county, one of the hardest hit. Reporter when they first started these food giveaways in early march they were serving about 400 families. Here they expect to serve 1400 families. So clearly, the word has spread and so has the desperation for food. Reporter cesar barrelo is a flight attendant, hes barely working and has much less money coming in. We have two kids. Thats a lot of mouths to feed. Some people are rationing and not eating as much as home. Are you doing that . We are doing also. We organize the menus and you know, keenind of with this all the time. Reporter still, despite his cut in pay he thinks its a mistake for neighboring georgia to start reopening businesses later this week to get the economy going again. Its too soon. Stay at home at the moment, keep the distance. Reporter randi kaye, cnn, hialeah gardens, florida. A lot of good groups doing food banks and food delivery. The news continues. I want to head over to chris cuomo for cuomo primetime. Chris . Thank you, my friend. I am chris cuomo and welcome, everybody, to prime time. I know there are a lot of political headlines and well touch on them, but we cant let goch as and the latest examples of trump being trump disprakt us from what is definitely the elephant in the room. We are still not on the same page. States and the federal government. One plan, obviously will be regional and subjective, but one mindset about how to open places safely. Tonight, Governor Cuomo of new york. Now he just met with the president yesterday pushing