Thats the sound of donald trump not being able to keep a secre. , would donald trump be looking forward to the release of a bad report . Ponder that. One potential big economic cloud on the horizon, the president of the president s own making. Three key u. S. Allies are vowing to retaliate after President Trump stopped them with stiff new tariffs. Canada, mexico, the eu, targeting american products. Christine romans is here with more. You know i dont know this stuff. Thats why youre here. You do know this stuff. The economy is doing well here. It has been doing well for seven and a half years of consistent job creation. 223,000 net new jobs created in the month. Thats a little better than economists expected. Companies are hiring and paying more. 2. 7 was the wage growth. You look at the Unemployment Rate this is the chart i love, it shows you just how well things have recovered here. 3. 8 , you said it, heard it through the grapevine. Early 2,000, 3. 8 . It is hiring across the spectrum in health care, Business Information services, retail, also manufacturing. This is the best sort of year for manufacturing job gains since 2011. What were hearing from employers is in some cases they cant find enough workers. I think eventually youll see wages have to increase, pay up to keep and retain good workers. On trade, canada, mexico, the eu, what are they going to do . Big question here, why are we fighting with our friends. If the real problem is china, why are we fighting with our friends . Our friends are fighting back. Mexico says it will put tariffs on pork, fruit and cheese. The eu says it will be on denim, bourbon and motorcycles, to the heart of Mitch Mcconnells home state, paul ryans home state, paul ryan hates these tariffs. Canada says theyll retaliate with steel and aluminum. The canadians really interestingly are so confounded by this. They say, look, we are not a National Security problem. That is what the Commerce Department is saying, that the United States needs to put on tariffs because of the National Security threat from the our friends here. When you look at these, i think this will be a problem for consumers, maybe things will rise one or two cents for a can of beer. That will be a consumer reaction and this is what the chamber of commerce says, they say if, for example, our talks over nafta completely collapse, we pull out of nafta, thats 1. 8 million jobs lost right away and these are the kind of job losses you could see from some of the other trade moves of the white house is trying to make. A lot of republicans say, completely unnecessary. Absolutely. The white house says this is america first, that the United States has been taken advantage for so long, theyre trying to rewrite the playing field. A really, really powerful editorial taking apart the president s trade moves. Mr. Trump complains that lockheeds f35s cost too much and now hes going to make fighter jets more expensive which could give russia an advantage. Thats what the wall street journals point of view is here. Ahow are the markets responding to all of this . And the new jobs report today . Money and politics correspondent Cristina Alesci is at the new york stock exchange. What are you seeing . The market popped on the open and it is holding steady, green across the board this morning. Looks like we may erase some of the losses that we saw yesterday. Were up about 200 points, down yesterday 250 points on the dow at least. This is really positive reaction and that was helped by the strong jobs numbers that christine just ran through. The 223,000 jobs, the fact that were at a low in unemployment, 18year low, all of that bolstering the positive sentiment here, but bottom line, a larger context on this report is that it is a goldilocks unemployment report because it is not too hot that investors are concerned the fed may raise rates faster than expected, but it still shows the economy is very strong. When im talking to my sources on wall street, theyre all scratching their heads, saying, look, the economy is on track. Trump can be taking credit for this and hes injecting this uncertainty by picking a fight with our friends and causing a lot of ceos to really kind of get nervous and when you talk about business confidence, ceos want certainty, they want to know they can go out and make hiring decisions without fear of a possible trade war with our allies. Great to see you, thank you. Joining me to discuss this and more, a cnn Global Economic analyst, steven moore, cnn economic analyst and former Trump Campaign economic adviser. What is going on here . Are you getting sick of winning yet . I am sick of america alone. America first, fine, america alone, not so great. To take the shortterm news and midterm news, the economy is doing well, thats to be expected. Were at the tail end of a long nineyear recovery period. Donald trump put a lot of fiscal stimulus in. But what are we doing over the next few years . What are we setting ourselves up for. Were picking fights with our allies. Ive begun thinking about american trade policy, the administration in general, sort of pro wrestling. There is this fakeout, a lot of posing, chairs getting smashed. Why is this happening . When i think of trade and i think of pro wrelsin iwrestling of steven moore. Things are going so well, why is the trade war necessary . You dont think it is necessary. Why doesnt the white house get it . I have to thump on my chest a little bit here. I remember a couple of days after the election, people said we would have a Great Depression because of trumps policies. Clearly the economy is ramped up in a big way. It is a real tribute to the deregulation policies and the tax cut that trump did that i think have really by the way, we got another report out this morning, amazing on top of the lowest Unemployment Rate in 25, 30 years, the economy in april and may according to the Federal Reserve bank grew up 4. 7 . Thats a blockbuster number. So things are going well. I was over at the white house yesterday and i was my advice is, look, things are going so well right now with the economy. Why would you want to upset this apple cart with tariffs right now . It just doesnt make a lot of sense. We have plenty of jobs in this country. Trump wanted to, you know, protect a lot of blue collar manufacturing jobs, but theyre coming back big time. We dont need tariffs right now. Did you get an answer when you posed the question to the white house . Well, you know, actually, you know, there is a lot of division at the white house right now over tariff policy. I would say half of the economists over there are very worried about what trump is doing, others support this. Donald trump made the decision himself on these tariffs. My opinion is that if you want to pick a fight with china, which maybe it is the time to do that, it doesnt make a lot of sense to pick a fight with germany, japan, korea, mexico, canada. We need them on our side if we have a big trade dispute with china. And another element of this, you say it is a big deal or a small deal. You tell me. President s dont comment about jobs numbers before the reports come out. They dont do it because they dont want to impact the market. Donald trump tweeted today that 7 21, markets opened, not before 7 21, thats for sure. Thats his tweet. Looking forward to seeing the unemployment numbers at 8 30. What happens next month when he doesnt tweet ahead of exactly. Im glad youre laughing. First of all, it is we are probably going to see the next couple of quarters not come in as strong as this. All of this is normalized this president communicates through twitter. There are tremendous splits in the white house. You get the sense particularly on trade, almost any policy issue that whoever the last person in the room was, thats who has the president s here and there is this lurching at a time when there is so much low hanging fruit for the u. S. To come together with europe now. I know you agree with this. There are legitimate trade fights to be had with china. China is a serial infringer. China is the real steel problem, not europe. We could find so much Common Ground right now with our allies, particularly germany, by the way, germany and china are now doing more trade than germany and the u. S. Are doing. This is a time when europe has a lot of reasons to move closer to china, not the time to pick this fight. It seems that someone john kasich of ohio, listen to what he told me yesterday. I see theyre going to put tariffs on now. On the europeans. It is no longer america first. What were seeing now is america alone and i dont care who you are, how powerful you are, how rich you are, how famous you are, if you go alone, youre going to fall short. Doesnt this also the moves against canada, the eu, mexico, canada and the eu in how essential they are in other areas, standing up against isis, standing up against iran, does this kind of standoff now bleed into Everything Else . I think thats interesting point when you bring in National Security. The president is evoking National Security in terms of slapping these steel tariffs on this is not a National Security issue. Hes doing that because using that provision gives the most leeway rather than going to the wto. We need european steel. We need our allies. In bigger fights around technology, around what Artificial Intelligence will look like. We need to come together with europe now and make sure that the west developed nations, europe and the u. S. , are setting the rules. Give me your final thought, steven. Look, i agree with that. This is the time by the way, it is interesting that john kasich is from ohio. Ohio is one of those midwestern industrial rust belt states that went, you know, with trump. And it is interesting because a lot of those voters, i was there with trump, a lot of the voters in the midwestern states, they like these tariffs. Theyre very suspicious of some of these trade deals, but were seeing so many jobs in these states now, im not so sure that they are necessary, but people like rona and i have to do a better job explaining to Blue Collar Workers why trade is good. Maybe the president should that should be tasked with the president , why trade is good. Come on. You shouldnt have to just i would say, steven, it is not your job. Tariffs or taxes. You need a different tactic. Were talking about pro wrestling. Get some chairs, and you need to get in there. Okay. Folding chair. Im not promoting violence. Make it look like a wwe match. It is the only it is only the third inning in this baseball game. And how this youre switching metaphors here. I love a mixed metaphor. Im just looking for the seventh inning stretch. We have got a lot more innings. I dont know if well all be able to have the stamina for it. Thank you so much. Youve been screwed. Is the president sending a message to the people wrapped up in the russia investigation . Plus, President Trump calls for the firing of comedienne samantha bee for her offensive remark but said nothing about roseanne barr. Double standard or political play . Roasters sumatra reserve. Lets go to sumatra. The coffee here is amazing. Because the volcanic soil is amazing. 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Trump claims dsouza got a raw deal from the government. He went around the Justice Department and fast tracked a pardon. He talked this morning about how he learned the news. I was in my Office Working away and the operator came on the line and said, is this Dinesh Dsouza . Yes. Hold the line for the president of the United States. And there was trump. And the president said, dinesh, youve been a great voice for freedom. And he said that i got to tell you man to man, youve been screwed. He goes, ive been looking at the case, i knew from the beginning it was fishy. But he said upon reviewing it he felt a great injustice had been done and that using his power he was going to rectify it, sort of clear the slate, and he said he just wanted me to be out there to be a bigger voice than ever defending the principles that i believe in. President trump is also hinting he might pardon Martha Stewart and the disgraced former governor of illinois Rod Blagojevich who is still doing time for his conviction. Both celebrities know donald trump personally and happened to have worked with him on the apprentice. Is that a big side note though . Lets see. Lets go to Kaitlan Collins at the white house. Reporter the white house is denying the president is sending any kind of signal here to people like Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen with the pardons. It is hard to deny that forgiveness is clearly in the air. The president doesnt plan on stopping pardoning people anytime soon. Just after yesterday he had this unexpected announcement he was giving Dinesh Dsouza this full pardon, someone who say conservative, also floated conspiracy theories. The president was talking about other people he might pardon as we well. The president did not note Dinesh Dsouza, never met him before, he said, and hadnt spoken to him until this week as you heard from dinesh when the president called to surprisingly let him know he was going to be pardoning him. The question of these random seemingly random pardons comes from is the president just going to pardon people he doesnt know or is he also keeping in mind people he does know who are also facing other federal charges and including his former Campaign ManagerPaul Manafort and people like Michael Cohen. We know before the president was asked, he was considering pardoning Michael Cohen, if that would come up, if it came to that. The president snapped at a reporter who asked that and said it was a stupid question. No denying the people, the people the president pardoned or is considering pardoning all have a common tie of who the president were prosecuted by people the president believes are his perceived political ene enemies. All right, kaitlan, thanks so much. Joining me now, cnn political director david chalian, cnn legal analyst paul callan. Is there any room for debate . If this is what he says donald trump told him on the phone, you got screwed and he wants him out there, he wants him back out there being able to talk on tv, is there any debate these are politically motivated pardons . No, no real debate about that. The president ial pardon is political in nature. It is a power that rests with the president and it is an awesome power that rests with the presidency. It is not just dsouza. Look at the past pardons this president issued for Sheriff Joe Arpaio in arizona or for scooter libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President cheney who got caught up in the Valerie Plame affair. It is clearly par for the course for President Trump to issue pardons that go around the Justice Department process, and not through the proper normal pardon channels, which is his right to do, im not suggesting thats wrong. It is just that he seems to think this is really a perk of the job and he can hand it out randomly to the high profile folks. And maybe thats what it is. Paul, dsouza says he was a victim of political persecution by the obama Justice Department, the lead prosecutor said he pled guilty because he was guilty. But he avoided jail time, lived eight months in a confinement center, paid a fine and served probation. Did the time fit the crime . The judge thought it was an appropriate sentence to hand down and his own lawyer must have recommended the plea. Dsouza pled guilty and he also apologized for his crime at the time of the plea. I think the record would establish, especially when somebody pleads guilty. I can understand a president ial pardon, youre fighting for your innocence and convicted and the president says that was an unjust charge and unjust conviction. He was convicted. It has been upheld on appeal. And now hes pardoned. With this, a lot of folks are wondering is it a message . Roger stone just told the Washington Post he thinks these pardons are a message to folks caught up in the russia investigation, saying this, it has to be a signal to mike flynn and Paul Manafort and even robert mueller. Indict people for crimes that dont pertain to russia collusion and that is what could happen. This is what could happen. The special counsel has awesome powers, but the president has even more awesome powers. Do you think thats what this is . I think whether or not that is the intention, we dont know. Unless the president reveals that to us. I think it is an undeniable byproduct of this. And to what paul was just saying, about dinesh pleading guilty and so there was somebody convicted what i think the president is doing here is saying, i thought this was an unjust prosecution. I dont know about the result or that you pled guilty to something. I think that this was an unjust government prosecution of you and to me, that is the signal to a manafort or a flynn or a Michael Cohen is that even if the president is if the president thinks the government is pursuing a case it shouldnt be, that is going to be a reason for him to issue a pardon. Interesting. President trump says hes also considering, paul, commuting Rod Blagojevichs sentence. His wife went on fox news and here is what she had to say. I see that. I see that these same people that did this to my family, the same people that, you know, secretly taped us and twisted the facts and perverted the law, that ended up my husband in jail, you know, these same people are trying to do the same thing that they did to my husband, just on a much larger scale. Shes saying to donald trump possibly. That seems to be like a tactic that may pay dividends. Absolutely. Looking at this one, it is very interesting. There was a hung jury in blagojevichs first trial. The prosecutor was patrick fitzgerald, a very close personal friend of james comey. Used to sleep on comeys couch as a matter of fact. And now part of kind of on the legal team. Right. And Martha Stewart who hes talking about pardoning as well, the prosecutor in that case and want to put the whole case together was comey. He talks about it extensively in his book, how that was a send a message case. I think trump is sending messages to people in his administration, dont worry, ill pardon you, but also slapping the face of comey, fitzgerald and anybody else in the Justice Department that he thinks have crossed his path in a wrong way. Stand by for more. I dont think it is the end. I have no knowledge to the contrary. Great to see you, david, great to see you, paul. Special delivery soon. North koreas former spy chief expected to deliver a letter. What is in that letter . Thats next. face the world as a face to be reckoned with. 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Shouldnt be able to get into the country since hes on a sanctions list that bars him from coming in. But hes coming, hes here and hes got mail. Carrying a letter from kim jongun to be hand delivered to President Trump. This comes as there are more and more signs the Nuclear Summit between trump and kim jongun will take place. And it could be just days from now. Secretary of state mike pompeo after meeting with Kim Yong Chol said progress has been made. This is going to be a process that will take days and weeks to work our way through, that will be tough moments, there will be difficult times, ive had some Difficult Conversations with them as well. They have given it right back to me too. There is a there are decades to this challenge. Allyse lavin joins me now. What more are you hearing about this white house visit today . Well, kate, Kim Yong Chol is bringing, as you said, a hand drafted letter to President Trump from kim jongun. And we understand that it is a response to President Trumps letter from last week, canceling the summit, expressing kim jonguns interest in having this summit. And i think thats really what it is about. You saw these meetings that took place yesterday. Between Kim Yong Chol and secretary pompeo and, yes, he did say that there was progress, but what he went on to say is there was essentially progress about everybody putting their cards on the table. One of the reasons that President Trump canceled the summit in the first place is because they didnt know whether denuclearization would be on the table, and i get the sense, kate, they still dont know. You heard secretary pompeo say the North Koreans are contemplating a path forward, which says to me, that they dont really know at this point. So i assume those conversations will continue today. But it doesnt look, kate, like the North Koreans have given that firm commitment, that they are ready to set a timeline for giving up the nuclear weapons. That seems to be everything. I want to ask you about russias involvement here, they invited kim jongun to moscow for a summit later this year with vladimir putin. Is this all related . It is all related in a sense. But i think what is most interesting about this is since the olympics and since kim jongun has kind of come out of the cold, if you will, that hes been really giving this world leader status. Hes met twice with chinese president xi. Hes met with twice with korean president moon and now hes being invited to russia by president putin. So, you know, several months ago he was an outcast, and isolated by the international community. But now this warming not just with south korea, but the United States has almost catapulted him on the world stage. The North Koreans are now giving this legitimacy. I think if things dont go well, with President Trump, whether they have the summit or not, it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle because the World Leaders are dealing with kim jongun in the way he wants, as a world leader. That is a fascinating thats a fascinating way to put it. It is also interesting how quickly this turnabout, at least appearance, has really happened. Amazing. Great to see you. Thank you. Coming up, comedienne samantha bee apologizes for her vulgar slur toward ivanka trump. But thats not enough for President Trump. Thats next. I was just finishing a ride. I felt this awful pain in my chest. I had a pe blood clot in my lung. I was scared. I had a dvt blood clot. Having one really puts you in danger of having another. My doctor and i chose xarelto®. Xarelto®. To help keep me protected. Xarelto® is a latestgeneration blood thinner thats. Proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. 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She said, quote, i would like to sincerely apologize to ivanka trump and to my viewers for using an expla tipletive to de her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed the line and i deeply regret it. Joining me now, brian stelter. Samantha bee is now and turn iraiturner and time warner under pressure from advertisers. Sometimes it happens in these cases you have other advertisers that call up and say, get me away from her show. Those boycotts dont usually last long. Well see what happens in the case. Well see if there is a snowball effect. There is no indication that tbs is walking away from her show full frontal. Her apology, that was yesterdays announcement. I dont expect anything more from the network. It is notable the president is saying why hasnt she been fired . Hes trying to draw an equivalent between barr and bee, two very different cases. Theyre both examples of celebrities who should know bet, lowering the bar rather than raising the bar in the culture. It will be interesting to see if she says more about this on her show next week. I had a lot of conversations with folks who say here is the difference. If thats a similarity, here is the difference. You have a woman making a sexist remark about another woman. A whi you have then a white woman making a racist remark about a black woman, one with context and history, that is dehumanizing to africanamericans. Different. Very different. And yet sometimes especially in social media, folks try to put them together. Like you get one scalp, we get one scalp. Conservatives lose roseanne, they want liberals to lose samantha bee. Both cases were ugly. You see the president say maybe she should be fired, i think thats also ugly. There is a lot of ugliness to go around. You see the president weighing in on areas of free expression. There is another thing were hearing more details, new details about msnbc host joy reed. This all gets back to an old blog that she had. What is new . This is an old blog, ten years old, that had resurfaced. First, a number of months ago, antigay comments she had posted back more than ten years ago and she apologized for them. In april, more of those comments resurfaced and instead of apologizing again, she said maybe she was hacked. She couldnt prove it. She half backed away from that excuse. Now backing away from the hack. It seems that way. But what is new this week, there are stories from buzzfeed and others about more strange posts on her blog. Really inappropriate posts. Again, more than ten years ago, about a 9 11 conspiracy theory, promoting a documentary that says it was a hoax. So more and more and more of the blog posts keep resurfacing and msnbc has been silent about it. There is more pressure for her to address this and explain does she really think she was hacked, does she admit she posted this stuff . Even if this was way in her past, she claimed recently she was hacked. 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I think that i think the whole concept of recusal is not even an issue. I think that rudy giuliani, chris christie, Jeff Sessions, anybody associated with the campaign would have had to recuse himself before grassleys Committee Even voted him out to go to the floor for a vote. So i think the recusal is an issue, yes, an issue dealt with and had to be dealt with. Whether you picked rudy or christie, by the way, this thing about sessions was not first pick. Rudy was always the first pick. Jeff sessions and even rudy knew at the time there was going to be this issue of recusal. I think the president is wrong. I think if you look at what Jeff Sessions had done on immigration, on migration, all the key issues of the Justice Department, i think sessions is personally done an excellent job. Joining me now, ned ryan, and joe trippi, democratic strategist. Great to see you both. Ned, im asking this of everybody. Give me your take. Why doesnt donald trump just fire Jeff Sessions . Well, i think we have gotten to that point, kate, to be honest. This goes back to the session that Jeff Sessions made to recuse himself and i think he should have had that conversation with donald trump and said, hey, if i recuse myself, i probably shouldnt continue in being attorney general. I think it has gotten to the point. I think donald trump needs to fire Jeff Sessions or Jeff Sessions needs to resign. I dont think this will last that much longer and really is starting to look like a very ugly breakup on a very public street corner, really getting awkward for everyone. I would hope that donald trump has a plan, he wouldnt do anything spur of the moment. I would like him to wait until after the midterms. I think there is a legitimate chance that maybe mueller clears trump, maybe in september. I think day by day, getting a better chance, republicans keep the majority in congress and in november, trump could go to Jeff Sessions and quite frankly Rod Rosenstein and say, i would like letters of resignation and move on from there. Come on, half of what the president does is spur of the moment. Part of his charm. Thats what he loves. Come on, man. Joe . Really quick, on that front, if he decides in the summer in june or july hell fire Jeff Sessions, he has to make a political calculation. Will this cause harm . Wont cause him harm with the base. And i think Mitch Mcconnell would move quickly, it will cause him unmitigable harm on capitol hill with his own look, no one is buying any of this. Trey gowdy is saying that there wasnt a spy. The Senate Intelligence committee is not going along with any of this, and i think its been clear to the president and the white house from the beginning that both Jeff Sessions and others, i mean, as you go down through wray and ross that there is no crossing of the line. If the president goes after any of those people, its a huge mistake. He should listen to steve bannon on this. Steve bannon is right. It doesnt matter who of giuliani or christy or sessions that they would have had to recuse themselves because of their playing roles in the campaign. So sessions couldnt have said, hey, im going to recuse myself, dont appoint me. No matter who the president appointed, he would have had to go outside his campaign. He technically could have. Regardless it did not happen. But, joe, are you saying that donald trump should listen to steve bannon, the same steve bannon that President Trump put out a statement about a while ago . I think on this one, steve bannon is right. Hes wrong about a lot of things. I think hes wrong about firing ross and others that hes urging the president to do, yeah. But i think hes right on this. Ned . Final thought. I think well have to see how this plays out. If he were to fire Jeff Sessions, what is the calculation with his base . I dont think his base would mind. It would be kind of a bit of a shrug. They wouldnt care with all this stuff, the folks that support donald trump, it doesnt matter even if he goes against what theyre saying. Honestly, i think he could say, you know what, tariffs are a horrible thing. And all the folks that supported him because he was going to go hard on tariffs are going to go, okay, we still love him. I do think that with no basis of fact because thats what i do. I say things with no basis of fact. Thanks, guys, i appreciate it. Thanks, kate. An exclusive interview with steve bannon tonight with Fareed Zakaria at 9 00 p. M. Cohen warns a reporter. Stay. 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And i will come after the daily beast and everyone else you possibly know. Do not even think about going to where i know youre planning on going. And thats my warning for today. Wait for tomorrow. Ill take every penny you still dont have. Would you like to get that call . And what if that call was from Donald Trumps personal attorney . That is what Michael Cohen was threatening after a journalist wrote a story in 2015 about trump and his first wife ivana trump. Why are we hearing these tapes now . Thats why its so significant, because this is the first time were actually hearing the voice of Michael Cohen who is widely reported all around that hes made threats on behalf of the president , his personal attorney, right . He worked for the daily beast in 2015. He was calling on Michael Cohen for a story. He knew about this, he reported it back then. But now he works for npr and npr says, you know, we want to talk about this string of threats that we always hear from Michael Cohen. He digs up this audio and says, here you go, this is what i have. So thats why it was made public, that actual audio. Michael cohen has not commented on the audio. He did back in 2015 after this tirade. He said its inarticulate, i think is what he said, and basically admitted it was a tirade. Did he make good on his threat . No, i dont believe so. I dont believe so, but again, it speaks to the string of threats that happened. Also Michael Cohen is known to record conversations. And hes the one that recorded the conversations, the journalists, not Michael Cohen. Its good to see you, brynn. Thank you very much. Thank you for joining me. Inside politics with john king starts right now. Thank you, kate, and welcome to inside politics. Im john king. Thank you for sharing your day with us. A gangbusters jobs report matching a 50year low in the Unemployment Rate. Is President Trump putting a boom in that risk for promoting global outrage with new trade tariffs . Responsible at a minimum, respectless to some. The president brings a new hint to those jobs numbers. In pardoning a pundit who knowingly admit he tried to break the law and then tried to hide it, President Trump speaks out