Kate Bolduan gives a fresh take on todays top stories. Kate Bolduan gives a fresh take on todays top stories. I appreciate you pointing that out. Jeremy diamond for us. Good to have all of you with us. Mark, lets start off here first with the relationship between the president and Michael Cohen. The president trying to downplay this relationship. It sounds lu s like he is goinga George Papadopoulos coffee boy relationship when it comes to Michael Cohen. Its absurd were having to have this discussion. What we have seen from President Trump is that he is very effective, as is his allies, in trying to divert attention, create chaos, create doubt about everything. He could be holding up a piece of paper and say its black and its white. People will believe him. When are we going to say, you
know what . What he is saying is absurd. Its unrealistic. He has to come to some realization that he has to tell the truth. We have to know the truth in order for us to move forward. Right now, we are very much stalled. In terms of comments that are getting a lolt t of attention, cant ignore the president said flipping should, in his words, be almost illegal. Put this into perspective. This made a lot of people stop in their tracks as they heard those words. Why . Its really shocking. I can tell you when i was a federal prosecutor, i used to sit on wiretaps for days and weeks. These are conversations we would heard among criminals. Who is flipping and who needs to be silenced and who should get benefits. To hear the president of the United States make those comments is shocking. He sounds like he is talking like a person who is a target or defendant in a criminal case, not the president of the United States. Molly, to marks point about
about Michael Cohen, but what we saw and why it was a Turning Point in Michael Cohens plea was theres so much evidence in there that doesnt rely on just the word of Michael Cohen. Theres internal information from the trump organization. Theres tapes like the one we have heard. That is going to be harder to get away from than just insulting the character of someone who used to work with him. The president , too, in talking about the payments, he said, as we heard, the payments didnt come through Campaign Funds. Also, going on to say that cohen couldnt plead guilty to it because its not a crime. Which we know, seth, just be my legal voice of reason here, you cant plead guilty to something if its not an actual crime. The judge is never going to accept a plea unless theres a crime attached. Right. We had a federal article three federal judge accept a plea under oath with federal prosecutors in the room. That happens every day across
variable and quite capricious and how he feels about something is not necessarily a reflection of how dire his situation actually is. At this point, there have about so many departures from the white house that in a lot of ways it feels empty in there. A lot of people who are still there are so numb to these constant news cycles of outrage and controversy that they arent capable of Feeling Panic at this point, no matter how dire things appear to get. Thats why i think that thank you for showing our wonderful cover. Thats why i think theyre so evocative. Its more a sense of gradually rising waters than it is a single Turning Point that makes everything different. I think the cohen plea is a major milestone in the saga of this administration. But it is also the case that theres been a constant drip of people coming forward, information coming out. New implications that get closer and closer to the president. He is increasingly painted into a corner. Be interesting to see, based on this reporting of the wall street journal this morning, whether the next drip drip could come from david pecker at american media. We will watch for that. Appreciate it. Thanks to all of you. Coming up, the president defends Paul Manafort again. Could he be getting ready to pardon the convicted felon . Rudy giuliani discussing the potential fallout of that move with President Trump. Details ahead. The president slamming his Attorney GeneralJeff Sessions, even questioning his manhood. Could this impact the russia probe . Stay with us. With expedias addon advantage, booking a Flight Unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. Addon advantage. Only when you book with expedia. At the injection site; muscle pain; fatigue; headache; nausea; and joint pain. Bexsero may not protect all individuals. Tell your healthcare professional if youre pregnant or if you have received any other meningitis b vaccines. Ask your healthcare professional about the risks and benefits of bexsero and if vaccination with bexsero is right for your teen. Moms, we cant wait. Slonly remfresh useseep one in ionpowered melatonin ht. To deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. Number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh your nightly sleep companion. To pardon or not to pardon, that could be the question the president is facing about Paul Manafort who could spend the rest of his Life In Prison after his fraud convictions that came down tuesday. Mr. Trump praised and defended him since the verdict, calling him brave, saying he didnt break like Michael Cohen. The president was asked about a potential pardon for manafort on fox news. That aired this morning. Here is his response. Are you considering pardoning Paul Manafort . I have Great Respect for what he has done in terms of what he has gone through. You know, he worked for Ronald Reagan for years. He worked for bob dole. I guess his firm worked for mccain. He worked for many, many people, many, many years. I would say what he did some of the charges they threw against him, every consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. No real answer there. Rudy giuliani did tell the new
york times, he has spoken with the president about the political repercussions of a pardon. Joining me now to discuss, senior Political Correspondent for the washingtushington exami david drucker. David, we heard from Rudy Giuliani saying he spoke with the president about the political ramifications. We havent heard a lot from lawmakers. We heard from senator lindsey graham. Take a listen. Pardons are normally given for somebody who has reformed themselves. Mr. Manafort hasnt even been sentenced yet. A pardon would be viewed by a lot of people as selfserving to the president. I would advise against it. Is that the main issue for the president , politically, this would be seen as selfserving, david . I think that the issue for the president is that he has pardoned others that are friends of his or allies of his. I think the manafort pardon
would be part and parcel of that. It would open him up in a 2020 campaign to charges of political corruption. In other words, its not corrupt in that he can use the power of his office to pardon whomever he wants. If the perception is he looks out for his friends and doesnt do enough to treat this power fairly and circumspect, then it creates a problem for him. I dont think it necessarily creates a problem for republicans run for senate in a Midterm Election scenario. It doesnt create a problem for house republicans, because they are running in Battleground Districts that dont necessarily like the president. Even though they usually vote republican in Midterm Elections. So we have to look at this politically in many different ways. I think the president would be best served to let this entire process play out. If he really gets to the end of the road here with the mueller
investigation and it plays well for him, i think he is in a better position to look at a pardon at that point. If he does it in the middle of the game, it starts to look like he is trying to manipulate the game. Then he has to answer more questions. In terms of answering questions, correct me if im wrong here, if a pardon were granted, then this would mean that Paul Manafort is waiving his Fifth Amendment right. Hello, Robert Mueller . He would not be able to invoke it. The Fifth Amendment right against selfincrimination only applies if you have the threat of a criminal prosecution. Its your right not to incriminate yourself. Timing is key here, if President Trump were to pardon right now both retrospectively and pro specci i prospeccive prospeccively, he would have to testify against the president potentially. If you look at the groundwork
that the president has laid, you mentioned joe arpaio, look at the desuzza pardon. De he didnt argue he didnt commit the crime. He argued he was selectively prosecuted, vindictively prosecuted by the government because there was a bunch of democrats who didnt like his political views. That sounds like what President Trump is talking about Paul Manafort. He is saying, these crimes are crimes for sure, but theyre not worse than the crimes that anyone in the Clinton Administration committed. We heard from a juror on the jury for Paul Manafort who told fox news they were one juror away from guilty convictions on all 18 counts, not just eight. As much as she didnt want Paul Manafort to be guilty, she couldnt deny the overwhelming, in her words, evidence. What it does that say about not only the mueller case here but what we could be looking at next month . Just to remind everybody, the
jury pool in d. C. Is much less sympathetic, going to be much less sympathetic to conservative values as they were in the Eastern District of virginia. This was about as good of a jury pool as there could have been. I think its a warning sign to the government. I dont think theyre going to retry the ten counts they were hung on. I think this was a victory in all sense of the word. It just goes to show you, you roll the dice when you go to trial. You never know what kind of jury you are going to get. This is a perfect example. It only takes one, just one holdout to get a hung jury. Its fascinating, as we watch this play out. Theres all this reporting this morning about the president feeling increasingly cornered. N he president feels cornered, he lashes out. Is there a concern that lashing out in this case could mean a pardon which could come back to
bite the president . I think with the president , he is always walking on a knifes edge. He is always right on the edge of doing something crooked or not or appearing to do something crooked or not. Then when he gets nailed for it or when he gets attacked for it, he fights back. He finds himself in a controversy. Even the president he kind of admitted this in the interview. He talked about this, that his life has been surrounded by controversy. Its where he has always found himself. I think its where he is most comfortable. What i like to caution against after 18 months or so of the Trump Presidency is that every couple of weeks or every month and a half or so, there is some new controversy or theres some new situation the president creates or finds himself in that leaves us all wondering if he is finally gone too far, if he is in a corner. Maggies description is apt, to the point where he will do something he will regret that will damage his presidency. We havent ever reached that point. I fully expect that in another three weeks from now, six weeks from now, especially in the heat of a Midterm Election, theres going to be more the president is dealing with, more that republicans are dealing with. The president always seems to climb out of this and find a way out. We saw that during his campaign. We have seen it during his presidency. People close to him are not so lucky. Republicans running in the Midterm Elections, theyre not going to be so lucky. The president so far has managed to roll. So i am always caution about deciding, this is the time when its finally over, he has gone too far. We have all learned in the last year and a half plus that predictions can be a very dicey road. Appreciate it. Thank you both. We want to get to breaking news. Secretary of state mike pompeo says he will be making another trip to north korea. That will happen next week. Michelle kosinski is at the State Department for us. What else do we know about this trip . He Just Announced this. He would not take any questions
from reporters who were assem y assembly they were assembled there for this. Did not go well last time. We know from our sources the u. S. Has presented north korea with specific proposals for starting the process towards realdenuclearization. All of them have been rejected by kim jongun. The fact that he now has not only a trip scheduled for next week we dont know the exact timing he has just appointed a new Special Representative to north korea. The last one resigned in february because there were differences of opinion in the approach. Now they have a new person who will be devoted to this issue. Theyre go together. Thats a good sign. It means talks will continue. A lot of Big Questions still remain, will kim jongun be
meeting again with mike pompeo after last trip did not go well . Does this mean that theres Real Progress behind the scenes . All of that, we will have to wait and see. We will be watching for those details. Appreciate it. Thank you. The president questions the manhood of Attorney GeneralJeff Sessions. In a new attack on his recusal from the russia probe. Why not just fire him . Thats next. Its the sears labor day event . Where you can shop with confidence and convenience plus get these 4 benefits from kenmore at sears. Up to fifty percent off appliances with your sears card. Like this washer and dryer for 539. 99 each. And this refrigerator for 899. 99. Hurry in to sears today. Our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition. For strength and energy whoohoo greattasting ensure. With nine grams of protein and twentysix vitamins and minerals. Ensure. Now up to 30 grams of protein for strength and energy these are the specialists were proud to call our own. Experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. Expert medicine works here. Learn more at cancercenter. Com what i just introduced you worto my parents. G . Psst craig and sheila broke up. What, really . Craig and shelia broke up . No, craig . What happened . I dont know. Is she okay . Craig and sheila broke up craig and sheila . As long as Office Gossip travels fast, you can count on geico saving folks money. Craig and sheila broke up what . Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Now tmobile has unlimited for the rest of us. Unlimited ways to be you. Unlimited ways share with others. Unlimited ways to live for the moment. All for as low as 30 bucks a line. Unlimited for you. For them. For all. Get unlimited for as low at 30 bucks per line for four lines at tmobile. President trump launching an attack on Jeff Sessions, focusing on sessions decision to recuse himself from the russia investigation, something the president has said repeatedly and slammed repeatedly as an act of disloyalty and what he views as weakness. Jeff sessions, never took control of the Justice Department. Its an incredible thing. When everybody sees whats going on in the Justice Department i put justice now with quotes. Its a very, very sad day. Jeff sessions recused himself, which he shouldnt have done. Even my enemies say Jeff Sessions should have told you that he was going to recuse himself. Then you wouldnt have put him in. He took the job and then he said, im going to recuse myself. I said, what kind of a man is
this . Joining me now, National Security analyst and former fbi special agent, asha regatta. What kind of man is this, i dont know if thats Questioning Manhood or character. Its the same message. Its a constant drumbeat. Is it starting to have an impact on the Rank And File at the Justice Department or even with your former colleagues at the fbi . I dont think so, erica. You are right, this is groundhog day. Every day he tweets about the witch hunt. At some point he complains about sessions. Then he or Rudy GiulianiGo On Fox And Friends and confess to a federal crime. I think its actually being tuned out. I think the charges that you have seen from the Southern District of new york, which is a part of the Justice Department, obviously, show that people, prosecutors and fbi agents are keeping their heads down, following the evidence where it leads and bringing charges when its warranted. The president also said that
Jeff Sessions has, quote, no control at the Justice Department. Would you agree . I dont agree. You know, i dont agree with many of the Attorney Generals policies or decisions. But i think that he made a very good decision when he recused from the russia investigation. That was what was mandated by the department of justice rules about recusal. I think what you have here, erica, is President Trumps inability to understand the role of lawyers and their clients. He has been used to somebody like Michael Cohen who operated on a loyalty principal. For example, the white House Counsel don mcgahn, his client was the office of the president of the United States, not President Trump personally. Similarly, the Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, his client when it comes to criminal investigations is the people of the United States, not the president personally. I think that either he has
trouble grasping that or is gives him a sense of being out of control knowing that he is not the person to whom they are all loyal. Quickly before we let you go, there were comments about Michael Cohen flipping and the president saying it should be almost illegal. Im curious your thoughts on that. Yes, its astonishing that he would say that after claiming that he is the Law And Order president. You know, getting people to cooperate and provide truthful information is the way that investigators and prosecutors catch criminals. This goes from gangs to drug dealers to terrorists. It just seems that he is now upset it could impact him. Always appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, a bold statement even by President Trumps standards, claiming if he is impeached, the market would
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would crash. I think everybody would be very poor, because without this thinking, you would see you would see numbers that you wouldnt believe, in reverse. Christina aleschi is with me now. We hit a milestone this week. Unemployment, historically low right now as well. Would all of those things disappear overnight . Would we be poor if he were to be impeached . Of course not. Would the market take a hit if there were serious talks about Impeachment Proceedings if democrats take control of the house and vote to impeach the president . Maybe. Wall street doesnt like uncertainty. In the longterm, investors are going to look at corporate earnings, Economic Growth and they will look at interest rates. All of those are moving in the
right direction. The closest comparable we have historically, if you look at it is bill clinton. During his Impeachment Proceedings in 1998 and 1999, we were in the midst of the longest bull run at the time. Those Impeachment Proceedings did not derail that. You still saw it go in 1998. The market finished up. In 1999, the market finished up. Its not a perfect comparable because he was acquitted. Not the perfect thing. Whats interesting to me is you hear analysts talking about, okay, if President Trump were to be impeached, maybe we get pence. Perhaps pence is more stable and is a bigger stabilizing force and maybe taking away uncertainty around trade, for example. Speaking of trade, you teed this up perfectly. Tariffs we talk about a lot. New tariffs on china. Wrap that up for me in terms of what we are seeing today. The u. S. Imposed tariffs on china on 16 billion worth of
goods. China hit back with the retaliatory tariffs. These are the tariffs the u. S. Put on motorcycles, plastics. Theres a back and forth right now. The u. S. Has a twopronged strategy. Carrot and stick. Thats the stick. The carrot are the talks happening between u. S. And chinese officials. The chinese are at the table. The administration can taught that as positive. Nobody thinks theres a deal coming out of it. Always appreciate it. They are survivors of horrific emotional, physical, sexual abuse at the hands of priests who were supposed to be their spiritual guides. They are now sharing their stories with cnn in an effort to stop this from happening again. Our conversation with these brave survivors is next. D if yo, just hit me on the old horn. Man toms my best friend, but ever since he bought a new house. Tom its a 10 cover . Oh, okay. Didnt see that on the website. Hes been acting more and more like his dad. Come on, guys jump in the waters fine tom pritchard. How we doin . Hi, there. Tom pritchard. Can we get a round of jalapeno poppers for me and the boys, please . Ive been saving a lot of money with progressive lately, so. Progressive cant protect you from becoming your parents. But we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. I did. I did it so that other people didnt have to take it. I knew i was stronger. I knew i could disconnect. My abuser used to say mass in our kitchen. In your kitchen . In our kitchen. Where you grew up . Yes. I was abused for 20 years. You ask how i separated the two. I split. I had one of me that took handle of the abuse and the other one was just myself. Arthur, you are here to speak for your son, who is no longer with us. But you can continue to give him a voice. What kind of a parent would i be if i didnt continue my struggle and fight for my son . What kind of a person, a man, any human being would even think about molesting a child, let
alone somebody who claims to be a representative of god . These are the kind of people that the Catholic Church wants to represent them in the community . Spiritual incest, soul murder, thats what i say. Psychological abuse. All of the different abuses we have gone through, they stay with us. We continually think about it and reabuse ourself in silence. Why do you think this is such a problem in the Catholic Church . Its not just pennsylvania. Its not just the United States. I think its gone on because it was allowed to go on. These guys knew they would be covered for, they knew they would be moved. They did it because they could. Is there anything that the Catholic Church could do to regain your trust . Not today. No. Are any of you do you consider yourself catholics . Im catholic. No. No. Im not i go straight to god. Im not well, look, my grandparents were from italy. I didnt have a choice. Its in the dna. Catholicism is in the dna for some of us. The jesus i learned about in school would not turn his back on children. Not once. Everything they taught is a lie. I mean, theres no other word. Theres no other word. So am i catholic . Yes, im catholic, but do i believe anything . Not anymore. Would anything feel like justice for any of you at this point . My day in court. Yeah. My day in court. Like everybody else is supposed to get. And its not about money. Its not about the money. I dont care about money. I never did this for money. I want my day in court. I want justice. Theres only one remedy for this, and thats to eliminate the statute of limitations, enact the survivor window. Thats the only remedy. Prayers prayers are what god if you had an audience with the pope, if you could sit down with him and speak to him face to face, what would you say . I would say you need to clean up your act. You need to get your church in order. You need to take all of those priests that have been abusing children and put them in jail. The way i feel now, prayers, penance, fasting, theyre all words. I need action. Theyre not listening to us. He is not listening to us. So i think if pope francis wanted to do something, maybe that would be a good place to start. I would tell the pope make jesus proud of you and stop protecting the enablers and abusers. And take these people out of ministry. Make an example out of them. People ask if i will ever get past this. I say no. There are things, there are signs every single day that remind me of my abuse. So no, this is until the end of my life. I will always think about this. This familys growing, and its growing fast. And its going to be an army. Were not going to stop. Were going to keep adding to it. And were going to force the church to change. And i know this, that you cant buy salvation. Youve got to earn it. Sharon and Jouleulie Suffere their abuse in the allentown diocese, which sent us this statement, calling the abuse tragic for the survivors. The Diocese Of Erie and philadelphia did not respond to cnns request for comment
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