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Now, we did speak in the last hour diplomats of the United Nations have been working to bring an end to this fighting and just in the last few minutes the white house said that president obama worked with israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He also added concern for the rising numbers of civilian deaths in gaza. As it was unilaterally extending the ceasefire that began on friday and that hamas had rejected that extension. Again, its the back and forth game between israel and hamas and the fighting is continuing there. More mortar fire from gaza killed civilians today. We want to go to Atika Shubert in the mideast with the very latest. Reporter were about 1 kilometer from the gaza border and all day today weve been hearing and seeing the explosions of the sound of the ceasefire failing. Now, from this position here, we can actually see into gaza and there we can see the widespread destruction that the Israeli Military has brought. Whole buildings flattened, huge chunks just raised to the ground. At the same time, weve been hearing and seeing rockets a rc rcing overhead. One of them injured a woman inside. Up and down the border here, weve seen a number of military patrols and theyve been using bulldozers to look for those tunnels. Remember, one of the primary objectives is to destroy the hamas militant Tunnel Network. And so theyve been looking for areas in which they have been infiltrating into israel and thats why weve been seeing these patrols on the israeli side. Despite the calls for the ceasefire, this is the exaactiy that weve been seeing for today. Atika shubert, cnn. At least 13 people, including two children, were killed today during the battle between prorussian rebels and Ukrainian Government forces. Halfway around the world in washington, tough talk today from the white house which is now pushing americans european allies to get tougher on russia. C nchl cnns erin mcpike is joining us from the white house. Reporter ana, there has been some firing of weapons from inside russia into ukraine and along the eastern border of ukraine. Were going to show you those images now. They show from these multiple rocket launch sites and also some impacts on the ground there in ukraine. So ben rhodes was on cnns state of the union this morning. He was discussing how this photographic evidence should begin to convince the european allies of the United States that they need to clamp down harder on russia with additional sanctions. Listen here to him talk about just that. We think russia has crossed the line and, frankly, president putin has frequently said one thing and done another. The sanctions weve put in place have already driven down the forecast of russias growth rate down to near zero. But if its not been enough to change this calculus about the weapons going across the border. Reporter now, also, ana, we got a readout from the white house on a different matter. Im going to read part of this to you. The president underscored the president s strong condemnation of hamas rocket and tunnel attacks against israel and reaffirmed the growing concerns about the number of rising palestinian deaths and the worse denning humanitarian situation in gaza. Obviously the president is putting even more pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu. Ana . Reporter okay. Talk is cheap. Thank you. A hope for ceasefire is completely dead. Karl penhaul is joining me. We know right now there is not a ceasefire in place. What have you seen there today . Reporter no, there is no ceasefire and any ceasefire talk has collapsed. But really that is not the news coming out of gaza or israel tonight. The many piece of news that we are tracking right now is a statement that is in the last few moments come out from the Israeli Military where they claim responsibility for that shocking explosion at a u. N. Run school. That was on thursday. According to the United Nations and according to eyewitnesss and medics, 16 people were killed in that explosion and over 200 others were wounded. Thats very important to get the language of the Israeli Military statement right the Israeli Military accepts that a single mortar dropped into the school courtyard. But the Israeli Military follows up by saying it is extremely unlikely anybody was killed in that explosion. It also goes on to say it rejects the claim that people were killed. The people in that shelter when the single errant mortar fell into that school. The United Nations say that hundreds of gazans people were in that designated shelter at the time of the explosion. The United Nations have appealed to the Israeli Military twice in a single day, during the day of thursday to, allow the civilians to be allowed to leave. The Israeli Military on thursday and friday said that it was aware that there were people in that school and it claims that it allowed those people to be evacuated but then suggested that hamas was preventing them from leaving and now, according to the new Israeli Military statement, it casts doubt on whether people were in fact there at all. Cnn teams on the ground saw a dead and wounded being taken to the hospital in the near vicinity. A separate cnn team went down to the area after the school had been fully evacuated to look specifically at evidence and when we reported this on air they noticed a single debt nation point. That would be consistent with a single mortar round. We also observed a blast radius of shrapnel between 30 and 40 yards wide. That would also be consistent with a relatively small round that could include an 81 millimeter mortar. Nothing larger according to our security consultants. They also add that they have not been spoken to by the military but consultants believe because of the pat tent of the shrapnel blast that the mortars were set to air burst. That effectively means that the mortar would have exploded a few feet off the ground rather than hitting the ground and then exploding. That technique is used to cause maximum damage to enemy soldiers or fighters. The Israeli Military is not spooki speaking to this except that a single errant mortar fell to the ground. We certainly rely on you to be our eyes and ears as to the facts of the situation since were hearing reports of dif ren differentiating. We got word here of a conversation between president obama and netanyahu. Anything on that side of things . Reporter no, certainly not during nighttime here in gaza. Very few people stick their heads above the fire pits to make statements or analyze. A lot of people dont have access to those kinds of statements by the normal media if were looking to those people and all eyes focus on an Israeli Military statement relating to the blast at the United Nations school. In many senses, people watching this war unfold believe that the explosion could be one of those defining moments that finally persuading all sides in this war that enough is enough. But certainly israel accepting responsibility that it was their ammunition that exploded in that courtyard by rejecting any sense that they were to blame for the 16 dadead and wounded in that explosion, contrary to what the United Nations and other Media Outlets are reporting. Ana . Karl penhaul, stay safe. As the conflict intensifies there in the middle east, well hear from the leaders of both sides and what they have to say. Next, the Prime Minister of israel. And even piano tuners were just as simple . Thanks to angies list, now it is. 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If 80 of your country was under rocket fire and you had 60 seconds to get into a bomb shelter, if they exploded your kindergartens and massa occurred, if america was attacked by land, by sea, by air, you would take action. Israel is taking action to neutralize this threat and im not going to get into the specifics. Obviously we hope we can get a sustainable quiet as soon as possible. The only way to do that is by adopting the Egyptian Initiative which has no conditions except to try to begin to address how the ceasefire, a cessation of all hostilities and address the two underlining issues here, security for israel, which means demilitarizing gaza and social and Economic Relief for the palestinians. I think the two are intertwined. I dont think you can get social and Economic Relief for the people of gaza without having militarization because otherwise all of the money and concrete and cement that goes in will not be used to offer relief to the people of gaza but to build more terror tunnels. Do you disagree with the character rye zags that israel is thinking about. We will take the action to defend our people, both in the tactical tense and trat stestra sense. Is the goal for israel to shut down all of the tunnels and stop hamas from its constant firing of rockets into israel, sort of destroy their infrastructure . Or is it something short of that . Well, i would say we want to stop the flying rockets for sure but we also want to dismantle the Terror Networks that weve uncovered. Our soldiers are dealing with that right now. Just imagine, you know what these tunnels are . Hamas received International Aid from the qataris and they received a lot of money and an able and concrete and cement to go into gaza so they can rebuilt gaza and build the hospitals and so on. They took all of that cement and built this vast Tunnel Network so they could come into our towns, cities, schools, and explode our kindergarten. They took money that was cement and that was meant to build school for palestinian children and used it to dig tunnels to explode our kindergarten. This is a nonstarter. It has to stop. And i think that one of the things that were dealing with right now is how to dismantle these tunnels. We wont have 100 but well have major success. Up next, well hear the palestinian perspective as both sides resume their attacks. [ female announcer ] theres a gap out there. Thats keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. At humana, we believe if healthcare changes, if it becomes simpler. If frustration and paperwork decrease. 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Thank you israel is defending its renewed offensive in gaza saying it was needed after it endured an incessant round of hamas rocket attacks. But Mahmoud Abbas claims israel has a secret agenda in gaza. Israel wants to, quote, keep gaza separate from the rest of the palestinian territory. He talked earlier with our cnns candy crowley. What is the hamas responsibility here . And i ask you that because it does it has sent a couple of thousand rockets into israel since this whole thing started. It does it rather routinely over time. Have the Palestinian Authority urged hamas to stop the shelling . Has the Palestinian Authority told hamas, stop putting weapons in your schools, stop telling people to stay when they should go . Has the Palestinian Authority done anything about it or urging them to do something about . Not obanly that, not only th, president abbas has come to terms with hamas, they are accepting a twostate solution. They have a longterm quietness. It brings quietness to israel is to bring peace. We have formed a Palestinian Government with the listening of hamas and the Palestinian Authority was taking over gaza. So we were designing a wellorchestrated palestinian reconciliation on our terms, not on hamas terms. Its the whole world welcomed the Palestinian Government, the only country that has ejected it, that has worked against it, that had fought to destroy it is israel and this is the most important point in the israeli hidden agenda. But has hamas recognized that you know, hamas has launched 2,000 rockets into israel. I would like to ask the israelis, how many civilian israelis have been killed . One Single Person and the other person was an asian worker. 30 of those who were killed are Israeli Soldiers that were killed in gaza. So lets not exaggerate the israeli fear and they have 60 minutes to go into hiding and so on. So just quickly, sir, are you telling me that hamas that the Palestinian Authority has said to hamas, stop the shelling, stop putting your weaponry in schools and has it recognized israels right to exist . By all means, we wanted this situation to be very quiet. We wanted these and we wanted to come to terms with the israelis. Unfortunately, i should be frank here and tell you that the israelis who have totally pushed these talks to failure on the 29th. The israelis who shifted the west bank into gaza, israel wanted to get out of the political corner that it was put into by the International Community by the diplomatic offense and wanted to drag us into a situation where a political square. So this is what is happening now. The israelis wanted to sabotage the situation. It has been in total seize for seven years. People have not been able to move out of gaz gla. Palestinians and gazas dont know what the rest of the world look like so there have been under tight siege. If you put any human being in a siege, he will react. So what is the way out for all of this misery is that israel should end its siege on the palestinians, whether in the west bank or gaza or jerusalem and allow these talks to continue, israel has to accommodate the palestinian demands and aspirations for ending occupation and the establishment of an independent palestinian state. That is the only answer. The Israeli Aggression on gaza does not bring peace to gaza. We know that. Israel may enjoy another one or two years of ceasefire. That is not what we want. Again, that was the Senior Adviser to Mahmoud Abbas. Heavy fighting in Eastern Ukraine is getting to the crash site of the Malaysia Flight mh17. When will investigators be able to get there . Our name your price tool helps oh, jamie, you got a Little Something on the back of your shoe there. A price tag danger price tag alert oh. Hey, guys. Price tag alert is this normal . Well, progressive is a price tag free zone. 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And this comes just after word that an american doctor is also infected with ebola. 33yearold doctor Kent Brantley is being treated in isolation at a hospital. This is the deadliest ever outbreak in africa. The Group Responsible for kidnapping over 200 schoolgirls in nigeria has struck again. They stormed the vice Prime Ministers home in the northern part of the country. They killed at least three people and kidnapped the vice Prime Ministers wife. And in Eastern Ukraine, investigators want to get to the scene of the plane where Malaysia Flight mh17 was shot down. Deadly violence is getting in their way. This is fighting between prorussian rebels. 13 people, including two children were killed just today. This blood shed comes after 298 people on board were killed. Senior International Correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is there in ukraine. Nick, you talked to observers today. What did they tell you . Reporter well, it was clear today that despite the fact that dutch police made potentially a very dangerous journey, they flew into donetsk. And they said particularly there was artillery as they travel down towards the crash site and that meant on two occasions they have to turn back and i should point out that were in the middle of a civil war. Its a much more intense pace. In the last few days you mentioned before we spoke, the Ukrainian Army is pulling south towards this city of a Million People and into the south of the city it seems like the Ukrainian Army are pushing towards the crash site itself. Violence is intensifying around there. Ana, let me explain to you the scene here in donetsk, the city of a Million People on a sunday night absolutely silent. Ive seen three or four ambulances pass this way. They are silent, too. Its a real sense of not siege but anticipation of something worse happening. Why is this massive for mh17 . As this violence continues to rage, police and investigators are trying to get near that crash site. The relatives need them to get there to get the personal possessions and im sorry to say human remains to get some kind of closure. Nick paton walsh, thanks. Its a grim anniversary today. It was exactly 33 years ago that the young son of cnns john walsh was abducted and later found murdered. Walsh tells us how this tragedy has changed the course of his life, next. Listen up. Im reworking the menu. Veggies youre cool. Mayo, corn dogs. You are so out of here ahh. The complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals. 9 grams of protein. With 30 less sugars than before. Ensure, your 1 dr. Recommended brand now introduces ensure active. Muscle health. Clear protein drink and high protein. Targeted nutrition to feed your active life. Ensure. Take life in. The last four hours have seen. One child fail to get to the air sickness bag in time. 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We talked about that today as well as the horrific anniversary. This is the date that our 6yearold son adam was kidnapped when he was with his mom in a store in hollywood, florida. So it was a it is a very, very tough day for us but it is also the day that president bush signed the adam walsh act which allows Law Enforcement to go worldwide to prey upon the creeps. Its a day that we sort of reflect on what a wonderful, beautiful little boy that 6yearold boy was. I cannot imagine being a parent and going through what you have gone through with your son adam. Lets talk a little bit about that transformation in your career since that day turning such a horrible tragedy in your life into something good, if you could say it that way. I know you were a Marketing Executive in florida when adam disappeared. But you decided to change careers after that. What was it that made that decision for you . Well, i didnt have much choice. We had three partners who were building a 26 million hotel, project of our dreams, i had a gorgeous wife and an incredible 6yearold son. But after adam was murdered, it is a place i just cant describe. As my wife has said it many times, its a color she hopes no one will ever see and its a color that is impossible to describe. So she was the one who really channelled us i couldnt work, couldnt function, you know, you just cant do anything. And all you have in common with your wife is this horrible murder of this little boy. But she was the one who said, we have to make sure we remember who the real victim was and that was adam and to make sure that he didnt die in vain. In 81, there there was no help, no missing or exploited children. The fbi refused at that time to get involved in adams case. That was not part of their mission in 81. I think weve tried very hard to make sure what we didnt have available to us is now available to others with missing children. You went on to host americas most wanted and brought up all of these missing persons cold cases. Do you have any regrets . I imagine it has to be very emotionally difficult to live and breathe these types of situations after what youve been through. But it was a great platform. You know, i was on americas most wanted for 25 years and caught almost 1300 bad people of all different walks of life in 45 countries, 17 of them off the fbis 10 most wanted and we recovered 61 missing children. It was an incredible platform. My agenda has always been the legislation, to change laws. And you know, i took the last year or so off and just couldnt sit still. Im thrilled to be back in the saddle hunting these creeps down and with cnn, which is a great partner in, a Great International partner. And tonight were featuring one of the worlds most wanted. Hes wanted on the interpol red list because hes been seen in many countries, brad bishop. And ive been looking for him for 20 years. But this show gives me the platform where i still can try to lobby to change laws and make america and the world safer for children and women, primarily. Youre right. The hunt is tonight. We look forward to your show. Before i let you go, because we want to honor your sons memory today, tell us a little bit about adam. He was the most beautiful little boy. We waited a long time and wanted to be sure that we would be good parents. He was a 6yearold gorgeous little boy and so kind and so sweet. Weve had three children since adam. They all wished that they had met adam. I think his legacy is a good one. He was just that old soul, we call him, that beautiful little boy. And tonight im hunting for a guy whos alleged to have murdered his own children. I cant even conceive of that but i hope tonight on the hunt that the world will be a much smaller place for brad bishop. We hope so, too. You can take part in all of this. Catch an episode of the hunt with john walsh at 9 00 p. M. 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He stressed the need for an immediate ceasefire in gaza that would lead to a permanent end to hostilities there. This deadly conflict happening between israel and hamas is very personal for one professional cage fighter here in the u. S. His family lives in israel. He says his grandma has had to run for cover during this latest round of fighting and for that reason he says he must go back home and fight for her and his people. And i want to bring him in right now, getting ready to jump on a plane from california. Noad, first of all, congrats on your fight and thanks so much for joining me. Thank you very much for having me. Lets talk about your next fight. We know youre a member of the Israeli Defense forces or the idf, a reservist, you tell me. How are you feeling about returning to your old unit . Well, im feeling im excited for seeing my friend and everything but id prefer to go home for a different reason. I can understand that. I read you were dedicating your win last night to peace, not war. Why go back to battle, then . Because you cant achieve peace without being ready for war. These people are attacking you and they are not going to stop until youre dead and you have to go and fight. Theres no other way. Were you called back by theize sthe Israeli Government . Well, its by choice. They can call me if im not there because if im not there, they cant call me but the second they call my friends, i right away got my ticket and i said im ready to go back. What do you make of what is happening there right now . Its just another round of this ridiculous game. Hamas shooting at all, we try to respond but we cant because most of the world have twisted it and dont let us finish the job and take hamas down. So we start and then the shooting again. You know, i think a lot of people would agree that hamas is not necessarily a good organization. They are viewed as terrorists by the United States. That being said, a lot of people who are dying in the fighting are innocent civilians. A lot of lives have been lost there in gaza. Whats your reaction to that . Well, first of all, you cant say they are not good terrorists. They are terrorists that are evil. And unfortunately, they are using their kids and they are using their schools and their hospitals and their women as a human shield. And thats why we got accidents. In every war, theres accidents. People die. Just like in england when they bombed berlin, the nazi germany, kids died and just like when the United States bombed hiroshima. A lot of kids died. Thats what happens in war. There are casualties. They are in tunnels and kids are protecting their missiles. Its the truce between our kids and their kids. Theres nothing we can do about it. If you do have to choose between your kids and their kids, youre saying you would choose your kids . Of course. Every day. If someones shooting at you, you have to shoot back. Every attack, its almost like a surgical plan. Every attack by airplane you see theres only the one room, the one car. Everything is after a lot of planning. Theres no a lot of Collateral Damage like it usually happen. We try to pick our fight. The only reason our troops on the ground right now is because were trying to avoid a lot of heavy bombing, a lot of air strikes that we could just do it from behind and keep our troops safe. But we risk our troops and lost a few friends right now in the round of fighting and just because we try and protect their kids more than they are trying to protect their kids. I know your family is very important to you, as youve just mentioned. What is your message to them . Be strong. We will win. All right. Noad lahat, thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much. Well be right back. So our business can. Be on at ts network for 175 dollars a month . Yup. All five of you for 175. Our clients need a lot of attention. 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We have now learned that a second american in africa has tested positive for the deadly ebola virus. This woman is an aide worker who is helping patients. Unfortunately, this comes just after word that another american, a doctor, is infected with ebola. He is now being treated himself in isolation at an african hospital. The current outbreak of this disease is the deadliest ever in africa. The Group Responsible for kidnapping more than 200 schoolgirls nigeria has struck again. This time in cam maroon. Boko haram stormed the vice ministers home and killed at least three people and kidnapped the vice Prime Ministers wife. A wildfire is causing 4,000 people to be evacuated today. This is called the sand fire. They are dealing with low humidity and strong winds making it tough for firefighters. More than 700 are on the scene. Thats all for me now. Lets head over to miguel marquez, my colleague, and Deborah Feyerick holding down the fort in new york. You are in the cnn newsroom. Im miguel marquez. And im Deborah Feyerick. Right now, two enormous stories growing in scope. Fighting in ukraine and the middle east show few signs of slowing down despite diplomatic pressure or talks of ceasefire. At least 30 people died in Eastern Ukraine, including two children, as Government Forces advanced on a rebelheld city. Still, the malaysia crash site remains out of reach of investigators. And in the mideast, is it a ceasefire or not . Both sides ratcheting up the rhetoric and the fighting as Israeli Forces look to expand their offensive. Speaking to cnn,