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Saying, oh, no, never mind that, youre fired. To be clear to the viewers, we dont have the reporting confirmed that youre sharing with us. But thats obviously something were trying to get information, answers to the white house, the Justice Department not commenting specifically on this firing. But lets talk a little bit more about bharara, his role here in new york, and really when it comes to litigation on such a large scale that impacts the country. He was not necessarily in just a routine post. So he gets called in the Southern District of new york, called the sovereign district of new york. Because its a huge orbit. Rudy giuliani was there. Comey from the fbi. Bhrara is looking at the mayor of new york city, has this ongoing corruption probe. Hes about to try two of Andrew Cuomos closest confidantes. And looking at Things International in scope. Really big and interesting. In addition to the fox thing i mentioned, significantly. He has an investigation excuse me, he arrested a turkish man, whos a friend of the president there. And is charging him with evading the iran sanctions. Effectively. Which in a complicated scheme thats really big and interesting, and plays into some of the other probes around this president. The big outstanding question everyone is asking is, what is the fbi looking into, involving this administration, potentially, and additionally, there are questions about whether or not theyre also looking at Rudy Giuliani who, again, is at the same firm as the rumored replacement is the frontrunner for that, because of giuliani talking on television prior to the election about what his fbi friends were telling him about investigations involving the clintons and others. Which is information theyre not conveying. There are so many layers to this. Oh, man. But to play devils advocate, could you just look at this and say that he was simply a victim of a broad brush stroke, that donald trump decided to clean house so that he could just appoint all his own people . Almost. So the two people whose resignations they didnt accept is the temporary Deputy Attorney general, and his nominee to be the permanent Deputy Attorney general. And with the Attorney General having now recused those people not so incidentally would be leading in i russian probe in the Justice Department. You could say this is part of a sweep if they hadnt told bharara that he was staying. What changed and why. They did this with the ambassador, trump did, back in january. He said no finishing your kids school year, no finding your replacements, none of that stuff. They seem to like chaos and surprise and corruption maybe in a reality tv style. Maybe in a Silicon Valley disruption style. There are concerns about the deep state and enemies within and all that stuff. I think tactically, they think this sort of chaos works to their benefit. Im very skeptical, again, they have no replacements for any of these u. S. Attorneys. The people they just told to get out today, that their deputies and right hands are going to be running the Justice Department. And Picking Up The Pieces where the investigations left off. Thank you for the information and reporting. Were continuing to learn more about this situation. Its a developing breaking news story. Lets turn to now a person who is very familiar with bharara who is also familiar with the Justice Departments inner workings, someone who has led this department. Roberto gonzalez is joining me by phone. We really appreciate your time, mr. Gonzalez. I know you were appointed by and served under president george w. Bush. And while working for then senator Charles Schumer when you were in the Justice Department. Bharara also was in the probe in eight u. S. Attorneys, part of a controversy that is said to have ultimately played a key role in the resignation of the then Attorney General roberto gonzalez, yourself. Given that history, whats your response to these developments today . Well, [ inaudible ]. Obviously those were all investigated. I was cleared of any wrongdoing, because in reality, you know, the president of the United States has the power with respect to hiring and firing of the u. S. Attorneys. They serve at his pleasure. If donald trump no longer has any pleasure of continued service, then meet it out. It really is arrogant for an employee to leave, when told by the president that their services are no longer required. Everyone understands that you serve at the pleasure of the president , no matter how wonderful, how valuable your work has been. If the president wants to make a change, he has the right to do so. Obviously change is at the beginning of an administration. Theyre very consistent with past practice. And every president , every u. S. Attorney general wants to have his field generals and the u. S. Attorneys onboard. Some of your viewers may be concerned that these removals might in any way jeopardize ongoing investigations. That is really just not the way that the department is set up. Youve got Career Prosecutors that are very much involved in all of these very complex investigations, and prosecutions. Those will continue. Even though you may not have an appointed head at the particular field offices. There are Career Individuals who been there many, many years. They have experience, good judgment. Those investigations will continue, irrespective of the removal of the confirmed u. S. Attorney head. Gotcha. Now, i understand it is fairly common for a president to come in and appoint his own people. However, the fact that this was done with virtually zero notice has caught some experts in the field offguard. Does that piece surprise you, for one . And two, the fact that bharara had been told by the president that he should keep his job and asked to stay on and go before the cameras and even talk about the discussion in which he was asked to stay on, now hes been fired . What do you think is the reason for that . Well, i cant speak to what President Trump and preet, what conversations they had in the past. The president can change his mind for whatever reason. He has virtually Unlimited Authority to make a change if he wants to. It could be that perhaps Jeff Sessions wanted to have a change. If they want to make a change, that will have an important factor in making the change. They ultimately do work for the Attorney General of the United States. So listen, i cant speak to whether or not there were any promises or assurances made. But even if there were, nothing would prevent a president from changing his mind if he felt that was in the best interests of the administration of justice. Would there be any reason that this change of mind has to do with actual investigations that bharara was involved with . Im certainly not aware that that might be the reason. But as i indicated, i believe if that was the motivation for the removal, i think that would be one of concern. And that perhaps should be looked at. I want to, again, reassure your viewers that even if that were the case, that would not submarine or in any way jeopardize an ongoing investigation. A Career Individual is there, in that office, they would continue the investigation. And they would make sure that if there was wrongdoing that had occurred, that there would be a prosecution. So its even without a confirmed head leading a particular office, youre still going to have investigations. Youre still going to have prosecutions that move forward. Thats not jeopardized by the removal of the confirmed u. S. Attorney. Let me ask you in response to this statement put out by senator patrick leahy, where he writes that the removal of Something Like bharara has now called into question the independence of the Justice Department. According to this statement. Do you see it that way . I do not. Senator leahy has been as much involved in the Plit Tiization of the removal of u. S. Attorneys as schumer has. There is no basis to make that statement. Again, without even knowing whos going to be the next u. S. Attorney in that position. And how that office is going to function going forward. I tha thats a premature statement. Alberto gonzales, thank you for joining us tonight. I appreciate it. Former adviser to four u. S. President s, david, youve worked in the white house. Completely normal as weve been discussing for a new president to come in and want a new team of u. S. Attorneys. But the way this was handled has given a lot of people pause. It should. It should. Theres no question. There are a couple of things that are different. One is, when in the past when theres been sort of mass firings, as in the case of president clinton, individuals Attorneys General in various parts of the country were given extra time to stay on to complete investigations to make sure there was no disruption in the work of the offices. And they sort of had leftover time, instead of the hatchet coming down, the guillotine goes down on all of you overnight. The other thing thats different is the context in which this is taking place. We have a president , a white house and a team with a lot of conservatives, who believe that the obama holdover throughout the government had become saboteurs. That they are undermining his presidency. The anger level has built. Theres been a lot of pressure on the white house to clean out those obama holdovers. This is, i think, going to be part of a broader sweep that were going to see. With all due respect to Attorney General gonzales, hes right that the president absolutely has the authority and is often exercising it to remove people. But there is a you know, if its just i dont think its right to say youre going to get the same outcome in the investigations as you would if a new person comes in. Its not going to make any difference in the outcomes. If it doesnt make any difference in the outcomes, the president wouldnt be firing these people. The white house believes if you put in new people, youll have an Attorney General that will be more favorably inclined toward them. Thats human nature. And i think we all the context is how we ought to see this. Were just getting this into our newsroom here, some new information, a source apparently close to President Trump telling my colleague, jake tapper, that then President Elect trump told bharara wanted to keep him on as a gesture to democratic leader schumer. But now obviously it swung the other way. What do you make of that . Well, that sounds like a lot about politics, doesnt it. Because the relationship between Senator Schumer and the president has deteriorated. Theyve been calling each other names over the last few weeks. I dont think i think both of them are now really have a very disdain for the other. But why does that mean that bharara ought to be the victim of that disagreement . Having asked him to stay on, is it a political gesture to schumer or did he think he was doing productive work. It does lead to questions, your previous guest raised some interesting questions. Well just have to see. Like so many things in the Trump Administration, when you do things quickly, and this looks like theyre flipping a finger at the obama people once again. You know, it raises questions but when you talk about that, when you bring that up, one thought that crossed my mind is, it almost seemed like bharara at one point kind of egged him on to say, im not going to resign. If you want me to leave, fire me. Yep. Well, i think bharar wanted to bring it to the surface. Hes clearly pretty ticked off. The result is the same. But i think he feels, im walking out with my head up. Im not resigning. You have to fire me. And shame on you. I think thats his attitude. How would you advise the president to handle this moving forward . Well, i think the advice you would give would have been given earlier. And that is, as was the ambassadors, i think he has every right to replace people like this. And as we feared the u. S. Attorney general in new york, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Thats the name of the game. So he has every right. But i think i would have advised him, mr. President , i think you would have been better off if you hadnt brought the swift sword down on people. It has a harshness about it that is going to, i think stir up the press. The siegel Type Questions that we had, it raises questions among their you know, out in the political community, whats underneath all of this. Is there something phony about this . Theres just so much every time one of these stories comes up, you have to ask, why is this happening, Why Couldnt This be done in a smoother, more professional way . That question of why is what weve been asking all afternoon, since he was fired. Right. But were Hearing Crickets from the white house and Justice Department. Would it be in their best interests to come forward with at least a statement to say, this is why he specifically was now asked to or was fired, i guess, lets just put it bluntly, even after he had been asked to stay on . I think the statement really ought to come from the Attorney General. Mr. Sessions, or Attorney General sessions did sign off and asked him to stay. He called him during the transition. Hes the one who asked people to leave their offices. I think this is something, if youre at the white house now, put it on the Justice Department to explain whats going on. David gergen, thank you, as always. Anna, thank you. Up next, a shocking White House Security breach, and the bizarre new details on the intruder who made it all the way to the entrance to the president s residence. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. How to win at business. Step one point decisively with the arm of your glasses. Abracadabra. The stage is yours. Step two choose la quinta. The only hotel where you can redeem Loyalty Points for a free nightinstantly and win at business. My belly pain i could build a small city with all the overthecounter products ive used. Enough ive tried enough laxatives to cover the eastern seaboard. Ive climbed a Mount Everest of fiber. Probiotics . Enough avo if youve had enough, tell your doctor what youve tried and how long youve been at it. Linzess works differently from laxatives. 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This complaint, the sworn statement from the arresting officer that said in the backpack that tran was carrying, he had two cans of mace. Thats interesting, because earlier in the day we were told that backpack had been examined and no Hazardous Materials were found. In the end were learning he was caring mace. There are more details from the sworn statement. We know this happened at 11 38 p. M. Last night. Tran was seen by this arresting officer walking from the east side of the south grounds of the white house complex. He was walking close to an exterior wall of the white house mansion. So he was very, very close to the residence. He was approaching the South Portico entrance to the white house mansion, thats on the opposite side of the door thats right behind me. He was wearing a hooded sweater, or a jacket and was carrying that backpack i mentioned. We also know from this arresting officer that at one point tran hid behind a white house pillar before proceeding towards that South Portico entrance. Now, this is all after the suspect jumped over a fence near the Treasury Department which is next to the white house, and over a barrier on the separating the south lawn from the narrow road next to it. But yes, this is interesting to see he came very, very close to the residence. He did not make it inside. But he was still only a couple of hundred feed from the president s bedroom. Also in that backpack, besides the two cans of mace was a United States passport, an apple laptop computer, a book by President Trump, and a letter he had written to President Trump. He mentioned Russian Hackers and said he had information of relevance. He also alleged he had been followed, that his email and Phone Communications had been read by third parties. He was called schizophrenic. New details coming out about the suspect. Obviously there was a Security Failure here, the fact that he got as far as he did without being de tectd. What is the secret Services Response . Well, theyre going to have to look at this very closely. This is not, as you know, the first time that this has taken place. Theres been several breaches over the years of the obama administration. You may remember one of the most serious was when in 2014, a man jumped over the fence in the front of the white house, the north fence behind me, and made it through the north portico, which is essentially the front doors of the white house, and all the way into the east room of the white house. And he had a knife in his pocket. You dont want to play the whatif game too much. But it certainly could have been bad had this suspect made it into the white house with these cans of mace, or what have you. Very, very serious matter the Secret Service is going to be reviewing closely. Athena jones, thank you very much. Just ahead, he was one of the most highprofile federal prosecutors in the country. But after refusing to resign, he was just fired by President Trump today. A look at all the legal angles next here in the cnn newsroom. I] [clicking of ignition] uh wha woof eeh woof wuh [silence] [engine roars to life] [dog howls] dramatic Opera Music Swells From Radio [howling continues] announcer get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. Juswho own them,ople every business is different. But every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. Whether it be help starting your business, Vendor Contracts or employment agreements. Legalzooms network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. Well handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. Lets dig deeper into the breaking News Coverage of President Trumps firing of u. S. Attorney Preet Bharara, one of 46 u. S. Attorneys asked to resign by the white house yesterday. But he refused. He didnt want to turn in his letter of resignation. This afternoon President Trump actually fired him. He said, today i was fired from my position as u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Serving my country as u. S. Attorney here for the past seven years will forever be the greatest honor of my professional life. No matter what else i do, or how long i live. Cnn senior legala analyst Jeffry Toobin joins me now. Back in november, the president and Attorney General, he told him he could stay on as u. S. Attorney for Southern District of new york. A source telling jake tapper then President Elect trump told bharara he wanted to keep him on as a gesture to Senator Schumer. Whats your reaction to this development . Its important to say that President Trump had every legal right to fire preet b hrkharara. It is traditional for a u. S. Attorney to be replaced when a new president comes in. What is unusual in this situation, it is really undisputed that President Trump promised Preet Bharara he could stay on. Whats puzzle is what caused this turnabout seemingly overnight of why he was told to leave, like all the other u. S. Attorneys. Its really, though, more of a political question than a legal question. Because there is no question that President Trump had the right to force bharara out of office. Put into perspective for us, Preet Bharara and the position that he holds. What makes him in this position so important . Well, heres whats so significant, is that the u. S. Attorneys office for the Southern District of new york, which is based in manhattan, is widely acknowledged to be the premier u. S. Attorneys office in the country. And they have a lot of independence. And whats particularly significant here is that he has been involved in a lot of investigations that are at least peripherally related to donald trump. He was the u. S. Attorney who was investigating Anthony Weiner whose computer turned up the emails that wound up leading jim comey to make those very damaging statements about Hillary Clinton shortly before the election. Hes also apparently involved in some investigations that involve the trump organization. And russia, these various amorphous stories that keep coming out about the relationship between the Trump Campaign and russia. So the question arises, is there something either that the Trump Administration doesnt want Preet Bharara to pursue, or are there things he knows that he might disclose later that could be troublesome for the Trump Administration. Well, isnt firing him one way, though, for him to later disclose that information . Or wouldnt that be even more reason for bharara to perhaps give a bad eye to the president . Thats a fair question. In a political context. But, you know, Preet Bharara whom i profiled for the new yn yorke yorker, he does respect the rules. There are rules how much he can disclose about what he has been investigating. By taking him out of the Justice Department, he is you know, hes cut off from access to new information. But there is some question about how much he can and would disclose simply as a private citizen. Got you. You brought up the politicizization of all of this. And the Justice Department itself. The gop has been complaining about that. Is this just fueling the fire when it comes to questions about that . It certainly will fuel the fire. You know, just a day ago, sean hanity on fox news, who is obviously close to the administration said, boy, its time to get rid of all the Clinton Appointees to the Justice Department. And the next day, thats exactly what Attorney General sessions and President Trump did. Now, perhaps thats just a coincidence. But there certainly has been coming out of the Trump Administration a great deal of bitterness and anger towards anyone they feel is connected to barack obama, or they feel may have been leaking. They certainly know evidence that barack obama, that Preet Bharara was leaking this information. But, you know, the political controversy about leaks, and about trumps anger at obama certainly will be fanned by this. But i do think its important to repeat that this is not a question whether donald trump had the right to do this. He certainly had the right to request the resignation, and to fire preet b hrkts arara when he refused to leave. Your article that you wrote and referenced earlier is called The Man Who Terrifies wall street. The fact that wall street feared him, and trumps relation to wall street, appointing billionaires to cabinet positions. Do you have any sense of who he might put in this position to now replace bharara . Would it be somebody who would have an equally tough perspective in terms of approaching wall street issues . Hard to know. Hard to know. The name that has been mentioned most recently in new york circles is martin, the son of judgment mucasi, who was the Attorney General under george w. Bush. And someone who is very strongly identified as a republican. Someone who is much closer politically to donald trump. Hes also a former prosecutor in the Southern District, so hes not a you know, a political hack. But hes certainly someone much closer to the administration. If hes appointed, you can be sure that people will say that donald trump is putting in a republican loyalist. But, you know, it is up to donald trump to make these appointments. It is also true that the senate has to vote on u. S. Attorneys. You can be sure there will be hearings about whoever donald trump puts in. And democrats will be asking whether he has the independence that is traditionally associated with the u. S. 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It changed because priests were kind of giving property to their children, church property. So it was a sociopolitical reason. It wasnt about celibacy, or you know, we spiritualized that afterward and said you could be more devoted to your parishioners, more devoted to your ministry. Really, it was sociopolitical. I didnt realize that, as a catholic myself. So some of these moves are teaching me more about the history of the faith as we move into modern times. When you look, though, at this move, i think one of the things ive read that could be even more controversial about it is the fact that what he is considering doesnt necessarily open the door for current priests to go get married, right. Right. It seems to some of us like a bit of a double standard. In other words, if you can be a married priest, you can be a married priest, whats the difference if you get married after youre a priest or happen to be married before and become a priest. We have priests from protestant traditions coming into Roman Catholicism with their wives and children. And ministering along celibate Roman Catholic priests. Youre in the same parish with a priest with kids. Youre thinking, why cant i do this. I think the pope is intent on opening the door slowly. But i think we have to be consistent here. If theres not an obstacle to priesthood because of marriage, then why not anyone who is married, why cant they be a priest. Well, it needs to be a remote area. Why not allow women to be priests then . Thats a whole other question. The question with women would say, there were not women disciples, and jesus did not choose women. No history for it. But the apostles were married. Because the original apostles were married. There were women deace deacones. Today is different. Why not consider it. This pope has closed the door right now to women priests, but hoes opening the door to married priests. For all of us, thats a hopeful step. Little by little. How big of a shortage is there . Is that the impetus for these changes . Its a really bad shortage right now. Western europe has been decimated. The United States. Africa, asia, there is vocation. Now were getting sent priests from those areas of the world to help supplement our shortage. We yuksed to send missionaries elsewhere, now theyre spiendin priests to us. Why the shortage . I cant tell you how many parents have said to me, i really wouldnt recommend my child, my son be a priest. I think there are so many opportunities right now. Look at the priest scandal, the sex scandal, that put a mar on the priesthood. People are saying, why would i want to get my child involved in all of that. We have to do a lot of reeducation, a lot of reimagining. I think we have to open the door and say, this is what a modernday priesthood looks like for a modernday catholic. The church unfortunately moves really slowly. If parents were to promote it, i think if it was spoken about more, those of us who are happy priests and have great ministries, we could share that more. But its an uphill climb right now. Look, i can do ministry as a Single Person or married person, why do i have to be a priest and give up anything. If this says i can be married and be a priest, maybe not so bad. You never know. You never know. Father edward beck, thank you so much. Thank you. My pleasure. We see a lot of the moving and shaking that pope francis has done as he moves the religion forward. Coming up, it was an officer who became a hero during the Sikh Temple Massacre. He shares his story. How he went beyond the call of duty and survived being shot 15 times at close range. Heres to the wildcats til we die. Bendy. Spendy weekenders. Whatever kind of weekender you are, theres a hilton for you. Book your Weekend Break direct at hilton. Com and join the weekenders. Say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. 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Find yours in the pain relief aisle. The first officer to respond to the 2012 Sikh Temple Massacre is share iing his story. Somehow, lieutenant brian murphy survive d being shot 15 times ad spoke with sara sidner in this edition of beyond the call of duty. By all accounts, brian murphy should be dead. First shot was at my face. Second, thumb, back of the head. Right hand. One in the right arm. Three in the left hand ch one in each leg. One in the chest. One in the side and one in the back. His dash cam rolling, he was the first on the scene as calls poured in from the sikh temple of wisconsin. Guy shooting. We heard fighting outside. I brought the kids in my hand. I said, lets go in the she was among 15 Women And Children Huddle Ed in this pant, fearing death. Her husband, the president of the temple, rushed out to warn people. He was shot and killed along with five others. The shooter, a white supremacist and army veteran on a mission of hate was still at it when lieutenant murphy rolled up. Thats murphy there and thats page, gun raised. We both shoot exactly the same time. What happens . I missed murphy was hit in tface. Thats him ducking. About halfway through, im just got mad. Im thinking when are you going to be done shooting me . How are you not dead . God kept me around. Another officer drives up. Paige shoot, hitting the windshield of bun gun battle. By then, murphys vest and body are riddled with 15 bullets. A year later, a survivor aed. How many dids did how you ghet shot. Thats right, one bullet for every one of us inside. Community says without his sacrifice, the massacre would have been so much worse. I know that murphy is a hero. Hes a hero to our community, but much Larger Community as in the sikh community. In america. A Community Murphy still worries about knowing they are sometimes targets. Simply because of their appearance. 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