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Into the Office Following bloombergs tenure. I want you to listen to this statement from bloomberg earlier today. I got something important really wrong. I didnt understand that back then. The full impact that stops were having on the black and latino communities. Now, hindsight is 2020, but as crime continued to come down as we reduced stops and continued to come down during the next administration to its credit i now see we could and should have acted sooner and acted faster to cut the stop. I wish we had, and im sorry that we didnt. And now we have mr. Mayor de blasio here with us. Thank you for coming on in. First, i just want to get your reaction to this apology today. Do you believe it was sincere . Ana, you know, im looking at that and i just have to say people arent stupid. They can figure out if someone is honestly addressing an issue or whether theyre acting out of convenience. For years so many of us said when he was mayor of new york city this is hurting people, this is creating division. Its creating a rift between our police and our community. And we said, in fact, if our police and our community cannot have a partnership were going to be less safe. Lo and behold when i came into office we absolutely abolished the approach Michael Bloomberg had taken to stop and frisk. The city has gotten safer six years in a row, and the relationship between police and community is healing. So there are many points where he could have acknowledged this. It seems awfully strange that it took until now. I just spoke to last hour somebody who would be the cochair of his National Campaign if he ends up getting into the race, a mayor Steve Benjamin, and i questioned him about this change from bloomberg. Watch this. I saw contrition. Im a big believer in strength and humility. And i saw a man admitting he was wrong. This issue is an issue so many people have struggled with, have struggled with in a deeply heartfelt way. And i talked to a number of people at the Christian Cultural Center today as to how this might have affected them and affected their families over time. So its important at the very least the mayor stepped up, had this conversation and put it on the table. And i believe its the first and a number of conversations that needs to be had with people not just here in new york but across the country. I think its fair to question the timing and a lot of others are also questioning the timing tonight of this apology from bloomberg. I guess, bottom line if hes now changing his position and publicly putting it out there and on a large platform, to a position that you support, are you being too harsh too quick . No, look, im always glad when someone has the ability to apologize. I am contesting why now and why under this circumstance. But the much bigger point here is stop and frisk was discredited years and years ago. I respect my colleague Steve Benjamin a lot, but lets be clear. Years ago in this city there were many of us saying it was discriminatory, harming families, holding us back. Michael bloomberg wouldnt listen. And it wasnt just stop and frisk. He opposed a law to stop racial profiling, for Inspector General for police accountability. And when people raised concerns, he didnt listen. You know whos been the biggest booster of stop and frisk in recent years, donald trump. If Michael Bloomberg couldnt find it in his heart during his own mayoraity for his mistake surely when trump started speaking up for stop and frisk that would have been the time to say wait a minute, it was a mistake and counter productive because wave gotten so much safer since. Last year we had 150,000 fewer arrests than the last year of his term, and we got safer. We had less mass incarceration. So lets be clear but hes saying i am sorry, i was wrong. And he repeated that. And im happy about that. But, again, there were so many chances to do that. How do you think new yorkers are receiving this apology . As i said i think there are millions of new yorkers who were hurt by this policy for years and years. And i think maybe some will forgive, but none will forget. By the way, our Police Officers were hurt by it, too. Our Police Officers want to have a relationship with communities and stop and frisk made it impossible. Youre talking about parents, grandparents watching while kids, particularly young men of color were treated like suspect tuesday a crime they never committed. The personal anger, the sense of violation. The sense that young people are being denigrated who were supposed to be up lifting, giving them selfesteem, stop and frisk has a systematic policy that was used on a vast scale on purpose. Systematically destroyed the selfesteem of our young people. And i know this is incredibly personal for you as a parent with a young africanamerican son. I want to talk about the bloomberg candidacy for the 2020 election. You were out on the campaign trail as you were pursuing the 2020 candidacy as well. Do you think theres an appetite nationally for bloomberg . I dont think theres an appetite in the Democratic Party for a bill anair at a point in history where were finally coming to grips with massive income inequality and where the rich keep getting richer. And i think people all over this country and members of this party want an answer. They dont want the status quo. So a guy who epitomizes that status quo doesnt make sense. A guy wrong on these profound issues of Racial Injustice and police accountability, i dont see a fit at all. Weve got a lot of good candidates. And most of our candidates are much closer to the grass roots of our party and nation. And i think theyll fair a lot better for that reason. Weve seen other former mayors of new york city like mayor giuliani try. He didnt obviously go the distance. After he was married, yeah. I just wondered if there something being in the position of the mayor of this city, the biggest in the country that puts you in a position of being too polarizing to make a successful bid to, you know, speak to the rest of the country. What do you think . I think less and less. Only one mayor that i know of has ever ran while serving as mayor before me, that was a half century ago. So i dont think much to judge by honestly. But i do think the country is less divided than often is portrayed. I think the country with every passing year we have people traveling, more families are spread out. Theres a lot starting to make us more one culture rather than a series of regions. So theres real political division, but in cultural terms i think were actually slowly but surely becoming a more connected country. So i dont think the notion that the mayor of the largest city in the country, a place that represents all of america in so many ways couldnt get a fair hearing. I was out in iowa and rural areas, iowa, south carolina, nevada, and folks are raising the same kind of concerns my constituents in new york are raising. I think what it comes down to is they want change, right . If 2020 isnt a change election i dont know what is. You dropped out of the race in september, and now were seeing other candidates just jumping in. Deval patrick, for example, Michael Bloomberg. Do you have regrets . I think every candidate has to be honest about their fortunes. I felt i had something to say, i put it out there. There were a lot of other good candidates. Clearly it wasnt connecting and the resources werent there. And theres a point where you have to say i gave it my shot but im going to continue to speak out, im going to continue to run the greatest city in this country. And i think you have to be honest with yourself. And maybe that gets back to the beginning of this conversation. Selfawareness and the ability to hear what other people are saying, a leader has to be able to in realtime know if theyve made a mistake. Ive said very publicly for example in new york city i wish id done some things differently on the homelessness issue. People offered some criticisms and i heard about it in realtime and im having to make corrections and adjustments. When youre a candidate, same thing. You have got to listen to what the people are saying. And sometimes its your moment, and sometimes its not. It has to be an actual dialogue with the people. Thank you very much for being here. Coming up, the pressure building on a key witness in the impeachment inquiry set to go before congress and the country this week. The Big Questions facing Eu Ambassador Gordon Sondland and how they directly involve the president. Some farms grow food. This one grows fuel. 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They are the people behind the scenes, the diplomats and Civil Servants and Security Officials who went to work and never predicted that theyd wake up one day and see their faces splashed across tv sets and newspapers, but thats where they find themselves because of what they witnessed. And it is their knowledge that could determine the fate of a u. S. President. Joining us now is advisor to four president s david gergen and phil mudd. The president went on twitter and attacked another witness thats an aide to Vice President mike pence who said in her deposition that trumps ukraine call was unusual and inappropriate. Tell jennifer williams, whoever that is to read both transcripts of the president ial calls and see the just released statement from ukraine. Then she should meet the never trumpers who i dont know and most of whom i never heard of and should work out a better attack. To label a never trumper is the messa message here youre on your own . Very much so. And if you say anything about me youre going to be attacked publicly and im going to flog you. We know enough to say this, that the woman the president disparaged today is very close to the Vice President of the United States. And she would not have testified up there unless one of two things was true. She really felt she had to tell the truth and she wanted to and you have to appreciate that. Or possibly she feels that the Vice President wants a little distance from all of this. I imagine its the first, but we shouldnt be surprised. But i am. That after the president got himself into so much trouble attacking the ambassador, ms. Yovanovitch, the president would come back and attack another person, another woman. Yeah, hes staying true to his signature there. Phil, can you comment on this . Cnn asked the Vice President s office for comment on trumps attack and they declined to defend her just saying shes with the state department. So its not just the president now. I mean, the Vice President is then roped into this and nothing. Whats your reaction . Remember, too the origins of this by the press reports were by a cia analyst and i was once a cia officer who came out with the original whistleblower report. This is why i think this is significant. You have multiple people working in departments of the u. S. Government. The Vice President s office, the cia. What the president is doing, and this is the risk i think he is taking on. Im not sure he realizes it is he is challenging both the cia director and the Vice President not to defend their own employees. At some point those officers, i know the cia director, i dont know Vice President pence, but at some point those cabinet level officers i think are going to have to look in the mirror and say when do i have to get out because my junior officer going before the congress doesnt have the capability to do this. When do i have to come out in public and say mr. President , im a member of your cabinet or at the cabinet level, you cannot do this to one of my officers . The president is risking some divisions within his cabinet by attacking Junior Officers in the government. Its also interesting that i mean weve been hearing from these career officials and these officialles who are coming forward. Were also told dont talk to congress, do not testify. But yet they, you know, maybe it was out of duty chose to do so. David, do you think that its possible this could be just the beginning, that others perhaps will get courage from seeing these other officials stand up to the president of the United States and the executive branch and come forward . Well, some will feel intimidated, and that was one purpose of the president s, you know, tweet a couple of days ago. He wants to prevent people from doing that. And not everybody with family and other thing and a career is going to want to step in and risk putting all of that at risk. And so some people will feel intimidated to stay out of this. I think the ones stepping forward are doing it out of a sense of patriotism. They believe that the country operates best with truth, and, you know, they put their they dedicated their lives to trying to promote the best interests of the country. So you have to say by and large i personally think that this whole episode is going to remind a lot of americans who have been skeptical about people who worked for a career in government, that theres some terrific people there. We went through this once before in recent years in the Oklahoma City bombing when president clinton was in office. And there was a Building Full of government employees, and when those employees went and talked to the cameras and explained what was going on in their lives and who they lost and everything like that, their families talked, the country was enormously adsmiering of who they were and i hope we will see this same extension of approval and support for these brave people who are stepping forward. Were getting more breaking news as we speak. Of all the people to testify this week, the main event is really on wednesday. That testimony of Eu Ambassador Gordon Sondland and thats because of a number of witnesses who have now testified. Sondland testifying he was acting at trumps direction with dealing with ukraine. Were just learning within the last few minutes the wall street journal is reporting sondland will testify he kept several Trump Administration official apprised of his efforts. And the journal says those officials include acting white house chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and Energy Secretary rick perry. Phil, your reaction. This is like watching a chess match. I think this is significant, but only if one thing happens. That is were talking about a lot of government officials no american has ever heard of coming up and testifying about stuff we kind of know happened from leaked transcripts. The president pressed the ukrainians to investigate a political rival and withheld money to do so. What the democrats need, i think, to get any traction whether you like him or not is to get a name figure someone like mulvaney or john bolton the National Security advisor to speak. If this presses those officials to come out or give democrats ammunition to press named officials to come out i think is significant. Because all these lower officials are doing is confirming what we already know with names that americans dont recognize. I dont think the democrats can get too far unless they get names on the record. I think its absolutely right until we hear from bolt rch and mulvaney and giuliani that were not going to have the full story, where you dont have a any direct evidence or so on because the republicans are blocking them from testifying. At the same time suddenly because of what we learned over the weekends from a young man named david holmes about sitting in a restaurant in kiev and Gordon Sondland, the ambassador calling the president , said he had to call the president to update him, called according to holmes, suddenly in that restaurant calls the president , gets through to him. The president s voice is so loud over his iphone, why he was using that is another question. The president has to hold the phone away from his ear and the other people at the table then hear the president talking to him. The first thing the president wants to know is what about the investigations, did they get it done . And sondland says theyll get what you want done. And remember david holmes perhaps wasnt the only person who overheard that conversation at the table because again the president was reportedly talking so loud and sondland was holding the phone away from his ear. We know of at least one other person beside deudholmes. As always, well have to leave the there tonight. Thank you for being here. Breaking news out of hong kong where we are seeing some oes of the most dramatic scenes yet in that ongoing protest that have besieged the city now for weeks. Demonstrators had been shoot hurling bricks and bombs at police officer. Well get a live report next. Of nowhere. Those are the ones that show up and change everything. She keeps us centered. Introducing the center of me collection. Because every your love keeps me centered begins with kay. Anyoonly marcos can deliver americas most loved pizza. Introducing the center of me collection. Hot and fresh, and right to your door. 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And it sounds like it is just really escalating there. Tell us whats going on. Reporter well, ana, just in the last couple of minutes or so it was quite a remarkable scene. We saw dozens of protesters moving from just over there and it appears as they started running cross that road and than ran just behind us. It looks as though and i cannot confirm this but it looks as though theyve tried to when police realized what they were doing they then started firing tear gas at them and they have just dispersed in a number of different directions. But certainly that was fairly unexpected considering the protesters supposedly on complete lock down, no one allowed in and out at this point. But it shows this situation is growing fluid, that it is changing minute by minute. What we also saw were a number of fires being lit by protesters. This was really the culmination of six months of prodemocracy antigovernment protests that have escalated over time and now we can see they are particularly violent. Police saying protesters have been using petrol bombs and what they believe to use a lethal weapon, a bow and arrow then they may be forced to use force or live fire. It certainly would be a serious escalation. Paula hancocks, thank you for that reporting. Please stay safe and as well as our crews there. Quick break and were back in just a moment. Shes the one the one for you when you know you just know she isnt perfect but shes perfect for you love is rare loves unique love is her love is him love is us the vera wang love collection designed for zales, the diamond store. burke at so we know how to cover wealmost anything. Verything bert even a notsohandy monster. johnson what is going on in here i cant hear myself think grover what does it look like, sir . 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Morsen who was listening in as that call happened also acknowledged there was nothing said on the call that met the requirements to put that transcript in a highly secure server. And that brings us to your weekend president ial brief with cnn National Security analyst samantha, a segment we bring to you every weekend the most pressing National Security issues President Trump will face tomorrow. Sam, morrison expected to testify publicly on tuesday. How credible is this testimony, this closed door testimony in which he said moving this transcript to this highly classified server was a mistake . The executive secretary, their job is to be meticulous. Their job is to be detailed oriented, and they dont have the prerogative to move everything to a code word server. Everything requires authorization in writing. And several steps would have been needed to transfer this content onto the server. He also testified Gordon Sondland bragged he could call the president any time he wanted. That is a quote. How significant is this . Investigators would want to know what happened on the several calls that Morrison Sondland claimed to have had with the president. But its worth noting ambassadors dont typically have a direct line to the president. And theres a reason for that. Even seasoned ambassadors their perspective has to be vetted by the National Security counsel and ins grated that way the nsc can present the president with te full picture. Were learning that President Trump relied on ambassador sondland who by the way was not confirm bide the senate to work on ukraine, has no background into anticorruption and fiona hill said he went into his own meetings without getting appropriately briefed. But for some reason President Trump prepped with sondland rather than his own experts. This really throws coldwater on the pez ares claim he was focused on the corruption of ukraine and rooting it out. Hill and vindman both testified and both of them connect today the National Security council. Fiona hill is a former National Security council, advisor. How key is their public testimony . Lets just remember who these people are. You dont land a job at the nsc very easily. You have to go through a careful vetting process. Hill and vindman were hand picked by President Trumps Personnel Team to serve the president. That was based both on their reliability and the team. So President Trumps own team thought they were reliable enough and expert enough to work in this white house. Thats worth keeping in mind. Now hill and vindman are significant because theyve already testified about concerns they raised within the white house. But more importantly their testimony is going to setup with sondland. Just from the closed door depositions we already have sondland testifying there were closed door depositions on both the white house visit and security assistance. So sondland already knows he either has to call hill and vindman liars or own up with to fact he did place conditionalities on these acts. How do you come these three separate testimonies coming into play, you have sondlands testimony on wednesday and fiona hills on thursday. Im still concerned sondland is operating. Hes a walking advertisement for foreign surveillance. To date sondland has been a treasuretrove for trump. By working through ambassador sondland trump has been able to put an official hold on political investigations and now sondland is faced with a choice. He could either continue to parrot the president s talking points that Nothing Happened even though hes concerned about whats going on, and then hell have to say hill, vindman, taylor holmes, all those witnesses were lying or whether he had direct guidance from the president on all these phone calls about the conditionalities he expressed to the ukrainians. 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Now the duke of york willingly sat down to be quizzed about staying at epsteins new york city mansion amid repeated accusations by the royals responses were awkward at best. Im just trying to work this out because you said you went to break up the relationship, and yet you stayed at that new york mansion several days. Im wondering how but i was doing a number of other things while i was there. What you were staying at the house of a convicted sex offender. It was a convenient place to stay. I mean, ive gone through this in my mind so many times. At the end of the day with a benefit of all the hindsight that one could have, it was definitely the wrong thing to do, but at the time i felt it was the honorable and right thing to do. And i i admit fully that my judgment was probably colored by my tendency to be too honorable, but thats just the way it is. Cnns royal commentator victoria arbiter is here with more on this. How surprised were you that Prince Andrew even did this interview, and do you think the queen knew about it . As far as we understand the queen knew it was going to happen but she certainly didnt approve the final cut or the extent of this and i think if she knew where they were planning to go i think she wold have said we need to think about this a bit more. You just played a brief sound clip but that is one example of a complete 50 mintes of mitigateder. When we heard this was even going to happen everyone was saying this is very bad idea, theres just no part of this seems to be a good idea. And watching it unfold, it just proved to be the disaster that wed all anticipated. Well, lets watch another clip where he addresses a specific allegation of his accuser. She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you, and you profusely sweating, and that she went onto have a bath probably theres a slight problem with the sweating because i have a peculiar medical condition which is that i dont sweat or i didnt sweat at the time. And that was yes, i didnt sweat at the time because i had suffered what i would describe as an overdose of adrenaline when i was shot at. And i simply it was almost impossible for me to sweat. Okay. What did you make of that answer in. I just feel like we came away with so many more questions than answers, didnt we . This was Prince Andrews opportunity to really distance himself from jeffrey epstein. We do have to be clear Prince Andrew has not been charged, convicted not even being investigated at this point. But what he is guilty of is appalljug judgment when it comes to friends. He does address the fact in 2010 he looks back and sees it wasnt terribly sensible to stay at the home of a convicted sex offender but two areas that struck me the most, number one he showed chutely no replors or regret over his friendship with jeffrey epstein, and number two, at any point did he mention the victims. When were looking at damage control the monarchy at the end of the day is a business. And this was further damage. These are all things any pr expert would say weve got to hit every step of the way. Quickly if you will, how do you see the royal family dealing with the pr aspects of this Going Forward because we all heard him say he would testify to this in court if push came to shove. Prince andrew has been adamant to say he continues to do the work he does. And he lives in a privileged where where this entitlement makes him think he can continue with business as usual. It just cannot happen. Its too damaging for him to remain at the center of public duties. 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On a daily basis when you think about terrorism you think about cells or groups around the world conspireing to commit attacks in the u. S. Those are happening far more infrequently than before. The face of terrorism has changsed quite a bit. These days terrorists attacks are happening more by lone wolves. People who often are found to be aggrieved or disenfranchised and so its actually more difficult for organizations like the new York Police Department to try and track the people down. You visited a terror hot line center. Lets look at that. For everyone who sees something and says something, calls are routed to a quiet cubicle lined Office Building in the financial district. Its here where a handful of detectives process all terrorism related tips across the five burros. Sergeant, your team fields hundreds of calls week to week. Can you give me examples of what calls would warrant further investigation . Suspicious package. Something that sounds out of the ordinary. Just based on a phone call. We have to determine whether or not its something that has to be investigated further. Most end without incident. And today, the city appears quiet. This substance, what was it in . That was it was found in. Thrown into the garbage bag . When a call comes in, the mood changes. Its captivating to see. What was that experience like for you . It was pretty terrifying when the people in the call center believed that there was pla tone yum in the can. They didnt know how much was in there. It turns out it was some medical waste that was mistakeingly thrown in. It wasnt the kind of threat they thought it was. But these days the Police Department is relying on citizens. You know in new york city in the subway and all over the street youll see seen signs that say see something say something. They hope when people see anything suspicious theyll call in and if the threat it deemed credible theyll send a unit to investigate. In the next 20 seconds or so for the answer. How many calls do they get a day or week . Do you know . Thousands of calls a year. I was shocked by the number. So again, if they deem it credible theyll send a unit. Really incredible comprehensive work that is involved in the Counter Terrorism effort. In new york city. Lisa ling, we look forward to the episode. Thank you for the insight. Tune in for the episode of this is life tonight at 10 00. Here on cnn. That does it for me. Coming up next its chris cuomo with the cnn special white house in crisis the impeachment inquiry. After a quick break. Where yos and your skin begins, thats a true match. Loreals true match blends seamlessly into skin for a true to you finish. In 45 shades. Its perfect for me. Find your true match, from loreal paris. But maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. Because there are options. Like an unjection™. 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