Texas where floods washed out these train tracks, derailing that freight train. So far, there has been 20 inches of rain dumped on parts of texas. The rising waters has also stranded drivers, who needed to be rescued from some cars. Ed lavendera is joining us now from very close to that Train Derailment. Ed, last we spoke, you seemed to be, i dont know, it seemed maybe less than a mile away from that Train Derailment. Whats happening there now . Reporter are yall seeing him . He drops . Okay, were going to try that again at another time, because clearly we dont have a good signal there. But ed lavendera, the last report, he was very close to that location of the Train Derailment, but describing its very difficult to get to because of all of this water as a result of a flash flood that took place there. There was a creek nearby, but now it looks like a lake, surrounding the derailed train and there were two conductors onboard that train when it simply went off the tracks and then toppled over. The two were amazingly able to swim to higher ground. They are okay, but there are rescue crews and Emergency Responders there in the area. At some point, theyve got to figure out how to get to that derailed train to upright it. So lets talk more about whats taking place there. Brian blake, from the Texas Task Force one is with us. So, brian, give us an idea, overall, about these water rescues that have had to happen, as it relates to this train. We know the conductors are safe. They got to higher ground, theyre okay. But what about all of these cars that have been submerged in high water and rescues have had to take place . Reporter when they see high water, as with the train, youre not sure the roadway, even though you may be familiar with the road, if the roadway has eroded underneath that water, thats why its so important for folks, even though they may be familiar with an area, to turn around and not drive into that water. Tell me about some of the rescues that did take place overnight, because i understand yall were very busy. We were very busy. Were supporting jurisdictions across the state, including those in navarro county, and had over, approximately 22 water rescues, both residential and from some automobiles. And its pretty tricky, because at night, where visibility is poor, sometimes folks dont even know that theyre about to, you know, drive into high water, but by daylight now, i understand from our ed lavendera and also an affiliate reporter, who said, there were people who were driving about theyre out and about. But what are you asking people to do in terms of identifying danger before finding themselves in it. If folks dont need to be out today, certainly stay home, stay safe, and dont get out in this type of weather. This is going to be a dynamic event over the weekend thats going to be transitioning from north to south, throughout texas and so, with the high amounts of rainfall, folks could easily get in trouble very quickly. Mmhmm. Brian blake, thanks so much. Great advice, again. Turn around, dont drown. That is a slogan, very easy for people to remember. When they see that standing water, dont try to go through it, simply turn around. Brian blake, thanks so much. Lets try again with ed lavendera back in navarro county, not far from that Train Derailment site. Still raining there, ed item describe the conditions overall . Reporter it is, water and camera equipment, causing all sorts of problems. We apologize. We are just a few hundred yards away from the Train Derailment. And you can see there, that is the front end of it. It was southbound, heading out that way, and from what we can understand, what weve been told, the water just came up very quickly around the tail line. 64 cars in all. Weve been told what its carrying is cement. So it doesnt seem to be a whole lot of concern about the Environmental Impact of the cargo that was being carried in this train, but you can tell, i mean, it goes a long way, just back over this way. And it kind of goes behind the tree line and behind that berm. So much of the train, we cant see, but from the cars that we can see, everything has just kind of toppled over to the left. And fredricka, really, the water has kind of gone down a little bit, and the rain has slowed down significantly since the peak in the overnight hours. But the rush of water, this is overflowing from a creek back over there in the distance. And weve seen this. Were about a quarter mile away from interstate 45. Just on the other side, all of this water is flowing this way. And it is Rushing Water that is intensely moving, and the current is really strong. So this has gone down quite a bit. Several feet already, since the rail cars toppled over. But i can tell you that a lot of this water, even though it seems very still where were standing here on the bank, as close as we can get, out there, and as the water is moving away and down through the channel and making its way out to wherever it needs to go, that water is moving with a great deal of intensity. So you can imagine the force of the water that was needed the to topple over a 64rail car train that was carrying cement. And that Rushing Water was able to topple all over that over. That gives you a good sense of how strong the currents and how strong these waters can move. Indeed. Great points there. Thanks so much, ed lavendera. Appreciate that. Lets check in with our jennifer gray. 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Thats jacksonville, florida, and at any moment, donald trump is expected to take to the podium right there at a rally. He is in second place for the First Time Since june in two key iowa polls. Ben carson has seized the lead with 28 of republican voters. Trump has been downplaying the results of two iowa polls that show him slipping to second place behind ben carson. We have a breaking story. Donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. We informed ben, but he was sleeping. That was donald trump last night in miami. Today, he will be in jacksonville at this moment. Theres our alina move cthere a the rally. Theyre very excited about him. Theres definitely a lot of excitement here among trump supporters. And we did see people, as soon as they opened up some of these gates, run to the front of the stage to get the best spot possible. Many of these people had been waiting in line for several hours. When our crew arrived here earlier this morning, there were already people lined up, waiting to get in. Ill get out of the way and show you the crowd here. It is growing considerably. This is what were seeing here, all these people eager to see donald trump, eager to hear what he has to say. And its not just republicans, i did speak to a registered democrat. Shes a woman from jacksonville, florida. And she tells me that shes still on the fence about who shes going to support in this president ial campaign. And thats why she decided to come out here. She wanted to see and hear trump herself. So right now, we are waiting for donald trump to get up on stage. We know that he has arrived here, and everybody is just waiting to see him come up here and see what he has to say. You know, you mentioned those two polls in iowa, during last nights event in south florida, he did refer to them, and it seems like he started to attack ben carson a bit. It will be interesting to see, fredricka, if he does that this afternoon here. Interesting is this election of music with sweet home, alabama, and now with phantom of the opera, i wonder if thats symbolic of anything as we await the arrival of donald trump. Alina, well check back with you in jacksonville. Trump also talked about the iowa polls in a sitdown interview wiinterview. I was really surprised to see it, because three nights ago, i was in iowa, we had a packed house, we had 4,000 people and it was a lovefest. And ive done really well with the evangelicals and the tea party and everything. And i just dont understand the number of you know what, i accept the number. It means i have to work a little bit harder in iowa. I think its just the same. I mean, im going to make our country great again. Were going to do trade pacs that are incredible instead of incompetent. Because what we have right now with china and japan and everybody is just incredible. And nobody can do nobody will be able to do what i do in terms of making our country wealth again so we can do all the things we want to do, including the military and the vets and taking care of people. So, im just going to have to work a little bit harder in iowa. I was very surprised to see the numbers. You know, i had a lead and it sort of flip floflopped a litt bit with ben carson. And i like ben, but he cannot do with trade what i do with trade. He cannot do with a lot of things like i do. Well have to wait and see what happens. You two disagree on a number of issues. Immigration is one of them. Will you start contrasting your position with his more . I think so. You just bring up one. Hes very, very weak on immigration and im very strong on immigration. And when i made the announcement, i took a lot of heat and everybody found out i was right. With beautiful kate in San Francisco being killed by somebody that just walked into the country, at least five times. They say five, but it was probably much more than that. And the veteran, a 66yearold woman raped and killed in california three weeks ago and just by an illegal immigrant again. And so much, i mean, this is so much. And i brought it up, and ben carsons very, very weak on immigration. He believes in amnesty strongly. He believes on citizenship, i mean, hes going to give citizenship to people who are here illegally and you can donate that. And you know, we disagree on other things also, but the big thing is hes just not going to be able to do deals with china, to do deals with japan. These countries are all ripping us like nobody has ever ripped us before. And you can watch more of that interview with donald trump plus interviews with candidates marco rubio and Bernie Sanders, all of that on state of the union tomorrow at 9 00 a. M. And noon eastern. And we will be right back. Its the final countdown the final countdown if youre the band europe, you love a final countdown. 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A new poll this week shows him slipping against Hillary Clinton in iowa, but he told supporters at the rock and the burn concert that winning iowa is key to his strategy. If we win here in iowa, and i think weve got a good chance to do it. And if we win in new hampshire, and i think weve got a good chance to do that, we have a road to victory. All right. Cnns Sunlen Serfaty is following the Sanders Campaign in des moines. So sunlen, whats up today there . Fred, this is certainly a highstakes day for Bernie Sanders here in iowa. He does have a lot to prove. And frankly, the momentum is just not on his side at the moment here, as you referenced, clinton pulling ahead by a good margin in two new polls out here in iowa this week, also coming off of a very good week herself in front of the benghazi committee. So for Bernie Sanders, this weekend in iowa, its all about trying to reclaim some of the attention, refocus the attention back to him and back to his campaign. And that starts today with a big rally here in des moines in advance of the j. J. Dinner. He will then lead a march from this rally site here over a bridge, they will go over the des moines river, which is behind me, and then walk into the entrance hall. Now, when he comes out on that stage at the j. J. Dinner, he will be walking out to the song the revolution starts here. That is the anthem for the occupy wall street movement, one thats played often at their campaign events, but tleerl theyre trying to send the message with this walkout song, trying to tap into that message of revolution, the one thats been such a big part of his campaign from the start. But the key is showing that energy and enthusiasm. Thats what the Sanders Campaign is going to try here to do. I wonder, too, sunlen, if Bernie Sanders has plans to try to reach a difference audience, particularly once he, you know, unleashes his speech at the Jefferson Jackson dinner, because we know historically its this dinner where the tide could turn for any candidate. Absolutely. And if you talk to the Sanders Campaign, nearly every other sentence, they reference this being such a Pivotal Moment in past campaigns and for past candidates, referencing the 2007 dinner, when then senator obama did very well, and really was able to differentiate himself very well from then senator clinton. So, theyre clearly trying and going for that same sort of moment. But the question is, will he be able to do it . Sanders has been writing his speech since tuesday, working on it, on and off in washington, d. C. , and hes on the campaign trail, but that will be what to watch. Will this be a Pivotal Moment for him . Can he tap into that same sort of turning point that obama has been able to do in the past . 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No word on how many people may have been hurt at that moment, but well bring you more information as we get it there. All right, thousand, back to the campaign trail. There he is, donald trump at a rally in jacksonville, florida. Lets listen in. More bad press. For what . You know why . Let me tell you why. You know i love polls. I love polls. Im in love with polls when i did the apprentice, i had the number one, i was the number one i was in love with ratings. And even now and its good for us. So i go on these television so last week, chris wallace, i did his show. He had his highest ratings in 6 1 2 years, thats great. Thats on fox. And then meet the press had their highest ratings. They had almost 4 Million People and stephanopoulos had their highest ratings and face the nation. And you know what it does . It gives us all power, and the reason were getting those ratings is because people want to hear the message. Its an amazing message. And you know what it is . Its basically saying, were going to go out, were going to work, were going to get rid of all of these horrible restrictions. We are going to get the country were going to make it dynamic. Youve seen my tax plan. The tax plan cuts taxes. We are, right now, we are right now, the highest taxed nation in the world. By the way, were 28th in education. We have, by far, the most per capita. Spend more must be per student than any other country in the world. Were 28 in education. We have third world nations that do better than us on education, because jeb bush and other people, they want to see education coming out of washington, d. C. Instead of locally. They like common core. And we cant have common core. We cant have common core. But i put in a tax plan and its been really well received by a lot of people and it brings corporate rates down to 15 . Its a big simplification. Some of my friends that own hedge funds are not exactly in love with me, because they take away the carried interest, which is a little complicated, but means not good for them. Who cares, they may get a lot of money. And remember, im selffunding my campaign. Very important. Very important. So when they come to me and they say, donald, what are you doing . I say, i dont care, ive got to do the right thing. The only people im going to be working for is right out here, all over the country. All over the country. And a big thing happened, because a lot of pacs, you know what pacs are . Its a crooked business. A bad business. But they have now super pacs. These are supers, superdupers. They call them superduper pacs. And they put ul millions and millions of dollars in these pacs. And those pacs control the candidates, okay . They totally control. Carson is controlled by his pac. Bush is controlled by his pac. Rubio is controlled by his pac. And he needs a lot of water on top of anything else. Did you ever see a guy sweat like rubio . Ive never seen anything like it. But theyre controlled by their pacs. And what happened is, many pacs were set up trump. One of them had the art of the deal pac. Another pac, i turn on television and i see these guys. And you know what, they look okay, who knows . But they say, oh, we love trump, we love trump, and they want to raise money. I dont know what happens to that money once its raised. I know too much about business to think positively. So i can just see one of these guys who doesnt have 10 cents and all of a sudden he raises 2 million under a super pac. I would love it if it would send to me, but i still dont want it. But i can imagine where the money goes. But worse are the super pacs that are set up for candidates where they go out and run campaigns, like, if you look, honestly, carson in iowa, being run by his super pacs. Bush, all over. Bush now has got to cut back. Because think of this, think of this. Heres a guy who wants to run our country and he cant even run his own campaign. Think of it. And you know what, hes cutting back big. Hes cutting back 40 and everybodys agreed to take a 40 cut. All of his people. I mean, i have like a few people what do you need these people for. In fact, im very proud of something. Im putting up, and ill be putting up a lot of money. Dont worry, its not cheap to do this, but so far ive put up less money than anybody else and im number one and other guys are no, think of it. Think of it. So i put up less money than anybody else and im number one. Other people have spent 25, 30, i think they reported the other day, i put up 2 million, i think. Can you thats a good deal, right . 2 million and youre number one. I could trade that to one of these other candidates that have spent many times that money and theyre at zero zero. You have a couple of them, zero with an arrow pointing less, which means less than zero and i dont even though what that means the. But if you think about it, because thats what we have to do for our country. Im not doing that in a br bragdocious way, i mean it. Im meeting the most incredible people. People like you. Im meeting the most incredible people. So what happens is, i put up, and there was a bill story. Hillarys in for like 32 million. Bush is in for a fortune. Rubios running out of money. Hes got no money. Hes running out. Hes spend much more than me. And not doing well. All of these people are spending money. And what im saying is that wouldnt it be night if we had a country that would spend the least and be number one. Wouldnt that be nice. Wouldnt that be nice . Trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump. You know, its very funny, i told my campaign people, i have very good people, great people. But i said, you know, i dont like to talk about how little i put up, because it sounds bad. They say, no, actually, it sounds good. But the truth is and i have to say another anything, when you lease a plane, you have to pay it back. A lot of the money i spent, i have to pay it back. Because the campaign has to lease. You have rules and regulations. We go to the facebook and what do you do . You have to take market value, its all a process, and you pay it back. A lot of the money im pugt up, im paying myself back. Can you believe it . I might be into this sucker for nothing. Theyve never had anybody that owned a boeing 757 before. Its a little bit of an unusual thing. Theyve never had it. And by the way, boeing, boeing now is building in china a massive plant. Think of it, theyre building a massive plant, because china just put in a big order of planes and they said, youre going to built a massive plant and were, by the way, going to take all of your technology. That didnt bother me, because they itake it anyway, whether yu give it to them or not, but china is demanding that boeing and everybody else build massive plants. So theres no free trade, folks. Theres no free trade. Theres free trade for us. I call it stupid trade. And im a free trader. The problem with free trade is that you need really smart people representing you. Because we are getting ripped off like you wouldnt believe. Were being ripped off like you wouldnt believe. So im going to finish and then a couple of things. Were going to talk about trade. About illegal immigration. Were going to talk about obamacare. Think about pomcare. Your premiums are up 45, 55 , your deductibles, you have to die before you get any money, and then youre not going to get it. You cant get it i know a friend, he said, i had four major operations. He still doesnt qualify. You cant get it. Its a disaster. Think about it, a 5 billion website. Nobody talks about it anymore. Everybody forgets quickly. For some reason, they talk about an Attention Span of a couple of weeks. Im not going to let people forget. Im not going to let people forget. Think about it. And the reason, in all fairness to everybody, the reason you forget is because we have so many other problems. We never win. We just dont win. We never win anymore. Were going to have so many victories. If i win, were going to win. Were going to win against china. Were going to win against japan, were going to win against mexico. And by the way, i love the mexican people, but their leaders are ripping out of our country. They are ripping off our country. Were going to win. Everybody is ripping us off. Every country is ripping us off. Every single country. So were not going to let it happen anymore. We dont win on trade. We cant even beat isis. Think of it, we cant beat isis. So we are going to strengthen our military. General ohonero. Nobody will mess with us. Donald trump talking to a large contingent of supporters who have turned out there in florida. You heard him make a swipe or two at one of his competitors, jeb bush. Well, you know, jeb bush had just recently made news, talking about cutting his paycheck for some of the staffers by 40 and you heard donald trump use that as an opportunity to be very critical of him. But earlier in south carolina, today, jeb bush used fighting words of his own to go after donald trump. If this election is about how were going to fight to get nothing done, then i dont want anything i dont want any part of it. I dont want to be elected president to sit around and see gridlock just become so dominant that people literally are going to decline in their lives. That is not my motivation. Ive got a lot of really cool things i could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect trump if you want that. 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Reporter fred, its always said, oh, its only in the movies, but prosecutors now in trial, in new york, are saying, no, this is real life. Its going to be a good summer. Reporter the blockbusters picture was goodfellas, daytoday life inside a new york mafia crew. A crew that hit a criminal jackpot. A daring predawn raid at the lufthansa terminal at the airport. It was one of the largest heists in this countrys history. The multimilliondollar robbery of cash and jewels at lufthansas air cargo terminal at new yorks jfk airport in 1978. And now for the first time, one of those fellas is being prosecuted in new york city, for murder, racketeering and robbery. 80yearold defendant Vincent Asaro, an alleged captain in the b banano crime movie isnt portrayed in the movie, because at the time his identity wasnt known. But prosecutors are portraying him as the mastermind of the crime, with now deceased jenny the gent burke portrayed in the movie by robert de niro. Star prosecution, the defendants own cousin, who wore a wire and recorded asaro. A member of the crime family, too, who turned to help prosecutors after believing he didnt get enough of the loot. He was one of the masked gunman who actually stormed into the airport warehouse and helped take millions out of the vault in cash and jewelry and got away in this van. As asaro could be seen in court saying liar, valeni testified he saw 125,000 in 100 bills, sacks of gold chains, crates of watches, diamonds, emeralds, and stones. Total estimated value, 6 million and none of it was never found. Asaros defense attorney said he didnt do it. The fact that all of those who did it got murdered. Reporter prosecutions also say defendant asaro conspired and murdered by strangling with a dog chain paul katz in 1969. After it was believed he was cooperating with law enforcement. In june 2013, investigators found remnants of katz remains embedded in a basement floor, where prosecutors believe asaro helped hide the body. Four other defendants allegedly playing minor roles, including asaros son, have already made deals with the government. But the good fella prosecutors believe is the real deal is asaro, and they hope to finally put him behind bars and at the same time, bring justice to victims from generations of crimes never solved. Wiretap recordings are going to play a large role in this trial, and the current witness, the cousin of the defendant, started recording him in 2008. And an excerpt from 2011 is where the defendant says on tape, you know, we didnt get our fair share of this. Jimmy the gent took it all. The witnesses asked, whats he talking about. Well, hes talking about money and jewels from the lufthansa heist in 1978. The trial is set to continue for the next four to five weeks. Jean casarez, cnn, new york. All right, fascinating, right . 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Avery friedman is civil rights attorney and law professor in cleveland. Good to see you. And richard herman, a law professor joini ining us from l vegas. So avery, we heard from the aattorney of asaro, who said that everyone except asaro was murdered and speaks to his innocence. Is that the best in their defense . If thats it, fredricka, asaros in a world of trouble. The fact is theres wiretaps, these all mafioso guys are now coming forward because theyre angry, theyre embarrassed because they didnt feel they got the money, and now instead of going to private clubs, theyre meeting at Dunkin Donuts over a cup of coffee. And the idea of the oath of silence blew up like a tick on dracula. So this idea of innocence is overwhelming and i dont know how asaro gets out of this. And were talking about a cousin who decided to spill the beans because he didnt get enough of the loot. Thats what we learned in jean casarezs, you know, story. Is that going to be kind of, i guess, the really crux of the case . That testimony and the wiretaps . Fred, its not that the defendants are angry they didnt get their right share. The problem here, fred, is that its a rico prosecution. And the federal sentencing guidelines are so onerous in criminal rico prosecutions that if you get convicted, youre basically looking at 20 years plus, in prison. So they go to a guy like valente, who was clearly one of the masterminds and say, if you ever want to see the light of day, youve got to plead guilty to a felony, get up there, tell the jury all the big, bad, sensational things that happened. And now weve got this guy over here, asaro, well make him the mastermind and you have to tell us what we want to hear about him. And if you do a good job on him, well then tell the judge you should be able to get out of prison and see the light of day again. Thats whats going on here. This guy, valente was top gun, he saw everything, he was the mastermind. And this 80yearold asaro, i dont know what his past was, but lets not focus on lufthansa for him. There may be other issues. One thing, though, fred, the wiretaps, thats devastating evidence. The wiretaps fredricka okay, so avery, what parts do you disagree with . I saw a lot of headshaking, no, and then some, yeah. The main guy was jimmy the jab, whos been gone for two years. The idea that the government is spinning it to make asaro the main guy, he was. He was a key figure in the entire structure. So the idea that these people, the witnesses were not, i think is silly. The fact is that its witness after witness. Tommy desimone, you have valu valente. And the guys almost 80 years old anyway. It doesnt really matter. Hell be gone and why now . We are talking about a very long time. And clearly it takes time to gather evidence, et cetera, but, richard, is this really the last straw, the last opportunity that prosecutors have to try to get to the bottom of this heist . Thats essentially it, fred. Its been an unsolved crime for many, many years. A lot of frustration in the government. As time goes on, peoples recollection of events start to change. People start to talk a little bit more as senility focuses in on them and they want to talk about the good old days. And you get these guys that start to recant or start to reveal certain information and the government is just jumping into it and making a big spectacle out of this. [ talking over each other ] and avery, whats your point . Its hard to hear both of you at the same time, because the signals cross. The fact is that it wasnt the bureau, it wasnt the fbi or the department of justice, fredricka, it was these angry and bitter old mafioso that were calling the bureau when they ran out of money back in 2008 and 2009. I mean, it was stagnant until these guys started calling the fbi. And thats, finally, after putting it together, we have this prosecution going on in a federal court in brooklyn. And as jean said in her report, we have three, four weeks to go. So five seconds left on that richard, if possible, because i see your lips flapping and you got stuff to say. Nothing to do with lufthansa. In order for him to get out of prison, he makes a big story about lufthansa. We heard that, see richard, avery, thanks so much, gentleman. Always love talking to you, appreciate it. All right. Well be right back after this. Rheumatoid arthritis. Ordinary objects often seemed. Intimidating. Doing something simple. Meant enduring a lot of pain. 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