The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. Reporter well, poppy, probably the headline at this point is, out of the earshot of the jury this morning, judge t. S. Ellis who is a veteran of these sometimes complex and controversial criminal cases in Eastern Virginia advised attorneys on both sides in an attempt obviously to avoid any prejudicial inferences being drawn by the jury, told attorneys on both sides to avoid, if they can, the use of the word oligarch. And thats important because some of the bosses and people in power in ukraine have been referred to as oligarchs. Obviously the meaning of oligarch is a member of a Power Structure in which the power rests with the few, as opposed to suggestion or inference that an oligarch might be a criminal. This case is the Defense Strategy and the Defense Strategy here, susan, is my client, Paul Manafort, knew nothing, did nothing wrong, hands are clean. It was all his deputy, rick gates. Thats a bold move, especially when you think about the fact that rick gates could be a key witness in other the other trial and other charges against manafort tied to russia. What do you make of it . That pretty plainly is the strategy. I think one thing to keep in mind though is this isnt going to be gates word against manaforts. In these types of financial crimes, these types of financial investigations, there is a huge amount of documentary Evidence Bank records, wire transfers, tax forms. And so the notion here that this is really going to come down just to gates word against manafort, there really is going to be a lot of evidence a lot of documented evidence. So i think sort of anyone whos looking at at least what we know in public really has to be baffled that Paul Manafort would choose such a risky strategy to go to trial in the first place. Once hes made that choice,
maybe this is the strongest sort of tack to take. Lets talk about that choice. He did make a clear choice and is the only one so far to make the choice of the americans charged not to cooperate with mueller. We know from the New York Times reporting yesterday hes told friends he thinks hes innocent, he thinks he will be acquitted as prosecutors look at this. Many of them thinks he faces a huge Uphit Battle Toward Acquittal and that this is a big, Big Challenge for him. Last hour, a guest said he has a lot of information on a lot of people and if he flips, could he be in jeopardy. Why do you think manafort has not cooperated . Well, as i said just a moment or two ago, i think he feels like is playing with house money. He can go through this trial and if he loses, the prosecutors will still take him in. I was a federal prosecutor but youre not going to get as good a deal. Correct, i do agree with that. But the thing hes facing is a significant jail time either way. Even if he were to cooperate,
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report, it appears, to his ag or just more of the same . It is more of the same, just hyped up a little more, amped up a little more. This is what donald trump does. The reaction ive heard from so many republicans, whether on the house or senate side, is disappointment that this is the latest step the president s gone. Heres why, poppy. We just had great gdp numbers that came out on friday. Well have the jobs numbers that come out this friday. These are opportunities for the president to hype up what hes doing for the economy. He he should proclaiming these numbers with bagpipes, theyre so good for republicans. This is what they want to talk about in november. The Mueller Investigation is not what they want to talk about and Firing Mueller or firing Jeff Sessions is not a good road for republicans to go down politically or obviously if youre talking about the principles in governing. Robby, dana bash has some interesting reporting that the president is really concerned that the mueller probe, youve got the manafort trial, just going on right now, getting a lot of attention, that that will just fuel opponents and critics of his. The Polling Numbers though from cnn show the opposite. They show at least americans confidence in bob mueller and the russia probe is waning. Right . 48 in march, 41 now. Do you think the president s fears are real or imagined . Well, i think the president should be concerned that hes in deep trouble because it looks like he is and it looks like a lot of people around him are. We learned this weekend it looks like he may very well have obstructed justice in this particular case. Thats why i find it particularly ironic that he seems to be continuing to try to obstruct and end this case so publicly. Im not so worried about those Polling Numbers. I think first of all, the president s just driving a strategy here to make this another partisan fight. So thats why you see the separation in those numbers. The bigger issue is we just need to get the truth. We need to let mueller do his work and come out with the report. I think the report is going to
be quite damning and i think the American People will have to face that evidence. I have a similar concern to doug, actually, that i think real you shall use are being obscured by this food night that the president s creating. We just learned yesterday the president S Administration is trying to go around congress to cut taxes even more for millionaires. Congress should be apoplectic about that but the republicans seem to just be taking that lying down, conceding their power and constitution to the president here. It is just incredible we are not talking about it. We had a whole segment in the last hour. My fault, i went long with senator ed markey in my interview. We didnt get that in. With you doug, the administration and Treasury Department has said it is looking at ways to change indexing. It is very complicated but basically how investment would be taxed when it is sold. This would disproportionately help the wealthy. Bush administration looked into doing it and said, no, you need congress to get behind us on this one if we actually wanted to do it. Whats your read on what this would look like for republicans
and at least the administration looking into it . It is a bit schizophrenic. There is no republican that will tell you we dont like tax cuts however we can get them. Republicans typically before donald trump was president talked about a Strong Congress versus a strong executive. During the obama years quite often Democrats Cedeed power to the presidency. Congress is receding in power. Somebody who puts the privacy of congress first, thats troubling to me regardless of what party or what administration is doing it. Regardless of what i think about the tax cuts which i think have had a great impact on the economy so far. Robby, let me ask you about hillary clinton. She is getting out there more, speaking out more, she is putting her money where her mouth is, donating to these 19 different candidates. As someone who ran her campaign and as someone who looks at the party right now thats sort of identifying who do we stand more with . Are we more the party of nancy pelosi or alexandria acasio
ortez. I think the future of our party and our success is in these candidates in districts who are running for office. I think shes doing the exact right thing which is to get behind these people and help them win. I think we create these false battles, so to speak, in washington, d. C. About, is the party about this person or that person. The party right now is about winning these individual House Districts and the candidates in these House Districts are very different because our party is very different regionally. At the point that we are in a president ial primary, yeah, we have to pick somebody to lead our party and we can have that. I think she is doing the exact right thing, get in there and help these people win in these individual races. Thats an interesting point. Weve got to get it more defined as we head in to 2020. I want you both to listen to what the president said last night. He was talking about voter i. D. S. Then it went a bit odd. Listen. We believe that only american citizens should vote in american elections. Which is why the time has come for voter i. D. , like everything else. Voter i. D. If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need i. D. Thats not true, doug. But putting that aside for a momen moment, whats he trying to say . Having been to a Grocery Store as recently as yesterday i know thats not true for that gallon of milk i had to buy. Im not sure what the president is trying to say here. Im somebody who supports voter i. D. Laws but also knows too often republican State Legislatures make it then harder for people to get i. D. S, primarily in africanamerican or minority neighborhoods, which is a real problem when you are trying to demonstrate you arent doing this in any kind of hamhanded way. It is not clear what the president is trying to say here which, unfortunately, is often
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identify ties to russia. Part of the reason for that is that the efforts of the people behind these misinformation campaigns, theyve grown much more sophisticated. So when Sheryl Sandberg says, this is an arms race, this is something that isnt going to end, it is for that very reason. So facebook powers time, money, manpower into this issue. 20,000 staffers dedicated to this issue, to combating misinformation. Even then, it is a game of whack a mole. They can only monitor problems like this and bring them to the attention of lawmakers, and then effectively put the ball in their court. If theres a victory here for facebook this week, it is that they got ahead of this problem and notified congress about it ahead of the 2018 midterms as opposed to the last election cycle when they didnt really take the problem seriously until after the fact. Right. So seriously that they saw their stock drop a lot last week because they say were putting privacy above profitability right now to try to correct
course on this. Thanks for the reporting. Lets talk more about this now with michael daniel, former Cyber Security coordinator and special assistant to president obama. Nice to have you. Thank you for having me. So, you said, look, it is not surprising that facebook found this kind of activity and we know from all our u. S. Intelligence agencies that they were going to do it again. But the when you look at what the head of Cyber Security policy at facebook says. These bad actors have been more careful to cover their tracks, in part due to the actions we have taken to prevent abuse over the years. So theyre saying it is even harder to detect this time around. Why . Well, the actors in this case would be doing exactly what nathani nathaniel, the head of facebooks Cyber Security policy, said there, which is they are taking steps to make sure that it is difficult to do forensics. They are masking their activity where theyre coming from, how they are doing it, how theyre setting up the accounts. They are taking steps to make
sure that it is more and more difficult to conduct the types of forensics that would tie this activity back to malicious actor. So wont they just keep adjusting and wont they just keep changing and making it more difficult as facebook and google and twitter work to keep up with them and eliminate the threat . Sure. I mean thats how its always been in the Cyber Security field. As the malicious actors make a change and the defenders adjust, then the attackers adjust again. Miss sandbergs comments about it being an arms race is a very apt analogy. I want you to listen to something that Vice President mike pence said just yesterday here in new york. Really pointing his finger back at the white house in which you work. You work leading Cyber Security under the Obama Administration and heres his read. The last administration all but neglected Cyber Security. Even though the digital threats were growing more numerous and more dangerous by the day. In 2014, a Foreign Government actually hacked in to the White House Network itself, and yet in the face of constant attacks like that, the last administration too often chose silence and paralysis over strength and action. Hindsight being 2020, do you believe the Obama Administration could have done more on this front . I think thats a very interesting interpretation of history there. I think if you asked any Cyber Security expert, they would tell you that no administration has done enough to combat this threat. Including the Bush Administration prior, which i also worked for, the Obama Administration, and thiS Administration. The important thing is we all have to step up our game Going Forward and increase the level of operational collaboration between the government and the private sector, increase our collaboration with our allies
and likeminded governments around the world and do more to bake in security from the very beginning and the kinds of i. T. Devices were using from our cars to our refrigerators. Where do we go from here . I mean if facebook is going to throw all this money, resources, energy, at this, if government is stepping up in the way it is, is this just the new reality . I think it very much Cyber Security is one of the great threats that we face as a nation in the 21st century, and it is something that we are going to have to come to grips with as a society and we are going to have to invest across the board in greater resilience as a society, in increasing our digital defenses and increasing our ability to
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guns. He said this doesnt seem to make sense. Whats your response to the president . I dont sell 3d guns. So, the president will understand that in time. Are you worried that the government reverse its decision . Like i told you, i already uploaded the plans. The ship has sailed. It is Public Domain information. It is irrevocable. No one can take it back. Giving people the ability to 3d print their own guns wouldnt make it feasible for felons, minors, mentally ill access to those firearms. Are you worried about those repercussions . I dont believe access to information is ever a bad thing. I know people can use information for bad things. But this isnt a justification to what . Stop a publisher from speaking . Who would you keep a minor away from printing a 3d printer when these are online and folks can do it with the click of a button . Do Public Libraries perform Background Checks on people before they read books . Thats just not how speech and publication works. It is legal for you to make a gun in this country. It is illegal for you to make a gun. Youre violating the law. That doesnt mean that that possibility prevents people from being able to legally share and freely access this information. Just doesnt work that way. Is it the case of the 25yearold man who went on a Shooting Spree in santa monica with a homemade ar15 killing five people. Are you worried that the implications offi democratizing this type of information would lead to similar type of deaths . Is democracy dangerous or not . Right . Account people be trusted or not . You like to push the limits. Do you think felons, minors, mentally ill folks who are able to click and download and print, do you think they can be trusted or do you think there should be more Government Oversight over what youre doing . No, i definitely dont think there should be more Government Oversight. I believe people can publish this information legally under the First Amendment. Was it right, should you do it, again my answer is yes. I believe that i should. I believe in what im doing. When im called a provocateur, that somehow takes away the seriousness of what i do. Im only doing it for no. I believe in what im doing. If people have an Internet Resource of some type of encyclopedic scope, they should allow more rapid innovation in this space. Chuck schumers out there with a bill today saying no, guns should only be the way theyve always been. It is a depressing world to live in. Theres less to hope for when things have to be frozen, things have to be managed. I found it profoundly unromantic. I think people would say it is depressing to think about living in a world where a lot of people who Shouldnt Have Access to handguns are readily able to make them from home. Unfortunately, we have always had the law on our side. Wow. Yeah. Inspires the imagination for him, for others i think very worrying. Theres another hearing set on august 10th so well hear more then next week. This is someone that does not do a lot of interviews so thank you for getting him to talk and bringing it to us. Youve interviewed him a number of times over the years. Who is cody wilson . He calls himself an aen na anarchist. Last time he created a Crowd Funding Site to give room to neonazis and trolz who wals wh to raise money for their causes because they were kicked off facebook and twitter for hate speech. This is something hes been doing since 2013. He really pushes those limits. Its become a national conversation. This fight is far from over. This is only a temporary stop. Thank you. Ahead, id rather be helping than feeling sorry for myself. Amazing words interest a california father who lost the home that he, his wife and children share in the raging wildfires across the state. He and his wife will join me next. Keep it comin love. If you keep on eating, well keep it comin. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. California right now was 35 contained. Just 35 . The weather that has made the carr fire so hard to fight is not expected to change until this weekend. More than 115,000 acres have burped so far in the rugged outskirts of redding. Almost 1,000 homes have been lost, six lives have been taken, and four more people unaccounted for overnight. Joining me now, david and ava, dave is a pilot for the California Department of forestry and fire protection, and one of the homes destroyed was theirs. Thank you both for being here. Im so, so sorry. Thanks for having us. You know, dave, you said something extraordinary. You said, id rather help than feel sorry for myself. So walk us through what youve been doing on the front lines since losing your home. I really dont think im doing anything different than thib el
anybody else in my position would have done. Everybody i work with i think approaches the job the same way. We do this every day. Across the nation. And i really dont think that i dont feel that i did anything special. Its just once i saw my house gone, it was theres going to be plenty of time to go back through the remains and see what we can salvage and move forward with our family. Were seeing these aerial shots of where your home was and it is just gone. Everything is gone. Ava, you are the mother of two children. Have you a 5yearold, savannah, 7yearold dylan. As you ran through the house obviously getting them and getting the few things that you could, how did you explain this to your kids . I didnt have much time to say anything to them. I was starting to pack up the bags when i saw the fire coming
over the ridge. So we had a little bit of time. I packed up the horses and the dogs in the meantime. Then in the morning i said you just got to wake up, we have to go on a little adventure. We pulled out of the driveway, they thought they were going on a little adventure. How are the kids doing . I think they understand a little bit what it means that our house is gone since they know about fires since their dad fighting fires all over the place so they are not too unfamiliar what it can do. But it is still hard to realize that, oh, we lost this and this isnt there anymore. So we just said its okay, we all together, were safe. And thats it. Its just you know, as you say, it is just material things. But david, you know being on the front lines helping fight this, its also lives. You have at least six lives lost in the biggest of the fire, four
more people unaccounted for. For americans across the country watching who have never lived in the reality of being threatened by wildfires, just how just how striking is this to you and what do you want them to know . I would say that is, by far, the saddest thing. My heart goes out to the people who have lost not only everything they had but theyve lost a loved one. Thats the part that really gets me. I dont even know how i would cope if i lost anybody. Yeah. Its extraordinary what you are doing to help right now in the midst of everything. I know you say a lot of people would do it, but i done think everyone would respond the way you are, david, going back on the front lines to help. Thank you both for being with us. Our thoughts are with you and with your kids. Thank you very much. Of course. Hang in there. So we just talk about lives lost and i want you to hear from one grandfather who lost everything. The man who lost his wife and his two great grandchildren in the carr wildfire in california cried this morning as he told us that he wished had he been there to protect them. Melody, 70, emily, 4 and james, 5. He says he went to the doctor that day, he thought the fire was far enough that his family was safe. It quickly turned so fast that his wife and great grandchildren could not escape. I got out and run toward the house and i got down there and some guy was blown over by the fire. I helped him get out. But i still went down there. They stopped me, wouldnt let me
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