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Passenger who recorded the encounter. Lets begin with the military targeting isis in afghanistan with a massive bomb. Wa want to bring in a former Senior Adviser to the Trump Campaign. Major general spider marks and colonel Cedric Leighton and a former department of home land security official. Good evening to all you have. Thank you for coming on. General marks, we start with you. As weve been reporting today, the United States military dropped americas most powerful nonnuclear bomb on isis targets in afghanistan. This was the first time this type of weapon has been used. Heres the president. Did you authorize it, sir . Everybody knows exactly what happened. And what i do is i authorize my military. We have the greatest military in the world. And theyve done a job as usual. So we have given them total authorization. And thats what theyre doing. And frankly, thats why theyve been so successful lately. If you look at what happened over the last eight weeks and compare that to whats happened over the last eight years, youll see there say tremendous difference, tremendous difference. So we have incredible leaders in the military. And we have incredible military. And were very proud of them. This was another very, very successful mission. General marks, what zpe mean Everybody Knows what happened . It sounds to me like hes saying that military authorized that and he gave them permission before. But hes not saying whether he did it. Well, thats what we call predesignated delegation authority. I mean did he this all priority. He said secretary of defense, you have the authorization to use this Weapon System when he issued that Weapon System. To the department of defense. So, yeah, i mean he authorized it because he had done it on priority. The decision to deliver that ordinance was done by the commander on the ground, four star general nick mickelson. It was the right target and the right ordinance to be used against that target. And you saved a lot of lives if you wanted to try to level that location, it obviously there was actionable intelligence. It was the right weapons system to be used. They went through the Collateral Damage estimate process to ensure there werent civilian casualties. Well figure that all out when they do the bomb damage assessment. He did say that he authorized the military and i think that youre quite right. I dont see that much confusion in that. Thats right. I think were, as we say, were pole vaulting over mouse turds here. Okay. Colonel leighton, we know the target was isis. Isis al qaeda tunnel complex. What intelligence would have been gathered before this bomb was used . Don, normally what would happen is theyll look at the geography of the place. They look to see how many people are entering tunnels like this. They would look to see who was in those tunnels. And if they had any links to isis. They obviously established a link to isis in afghanistan and they wanted to make sure they knew what the people were up to and our understanding is they were doing things to include making ieds and other weapons and it proved to be a target that they felt they could not only prosecute with this weapon but also make sure they would not only do that but protect the u. S. Force thats are stationed in afghanistan. On saturday, january 28th, the president signed an executive hors doeuvresiorder. Heres what he said on the campaign trail. I would just bomb those suckers. And thats right, id blow up the pipes. Id blow up every single inch there would be nothing left. Were two weeks away from President Trumps 100th day in office. And he wanted a plan for his generals. Did he get it . We dont know what the contents of that plan is. And obviously when donald trump was talking about it as a candidate, he was focused on syria and iraq and not in afghanistan. So the location of where were bombing, you know, everyone to smith reens to so speak to use his language is a different geographic space. I have no way to judge right now whether given the alternatives this was the right thing to do or not. I have confidence in our military effort. I think the question for some of us when we want to look at the policies surrounding the Bombing Missions is what is the strategy in which you have a civilian oversight over the policy . I think with all due respect to the general onz the panel, they even recognize, rig, that the bombs themselves, thats just a tactic. And i think one of the worrisome things about donald trump not being able to directly answer whether he had notification or whether anyone in the white house had notification is that we are looking at a world now that is very different in which the military has a range of activities in which not only do they not seek authorization from the courthouse whiwhite house b notify the white house swrechlt no clarity on that issue right now. You think they should be more specific about whether he ordered it or not . I think he was clear that he had given the leaders the orders. He had delegated the authority but the specific action it appears and there is a difference between notification and authorization. The specific action we have no clarity on whether anyone at the white house actually knew it was going to happen. Thats a very, very different relationship between the white house and the pentagon and there has been tension since the country was born about that tension. Nonetheless, it is a change of strategy. And one that does not seem to be tied to any doctrine related to why this bomb in afghanistan and why the missile strikes in syria. What does this mean for the president s America First Foreign Policy . I think this is consistent with his campaign. That were going to bomb isis. Did he not limit that to any geographic area. I think its also a message to our own military that this is a tactical weapon. You have the authority. You have the training. Use it if you need it. Go ahead. Im going to be behind you. Whereas i know with rules in engagement under obama, there was always this lets check with washington before we engage in the battlefield. And as somebody who had to represent the third infantry division, thats what was the number one complaint we heard about Family Members. So im glad to see the generals and the people on the ground making these decisions. But i want to Say Something else. In an area where youre going underground and tunnels and so forth, there is a message to north korea. What message does this send to north korea and other trouble hot spots . The message is, number one, we can use a bomb that is 13yearold, 14yearold bomb. Think what we have developed since 2003. All right. This was i want you to listen to this. This is candidate trump in the fall. Now this just came out. This just came out. Wikileaks, i love wikileaks. And i said write a couple of them down. And by the way, wikileaks just came out with lots of really unbelievable things. Just minutes ago. In fact, i almost delayed this speech by about two hours its so interesting. By the way, did you see another one . Another one came in today. This wikileaks is like a treasuretrove. And this was President Trumps cia director today. Time to call out wikileaks for what it really is. A nonstate Hostile Intelligence Service often abetted by actors like russia. That is quite a contrast. Was the president essentially touting an enemy of United States when it served his political purposes . I would say that candidate trump really didnt have a sense of what wikileaks was in the totality and the depth of what it could go to. I would say maybe he had a clear understanding of what they had access to. But there were other sources of intelligence obviously that he didnt have access to until he was elected. He wasnt able to delve into those fully. So the contrast between the dci and what the president said as a candidate is a stark shift. And it comports with what were seeing, a president that has to embrace the realities and make the realities his. And thats what were seeing right now. Stand bishgs everyone. When we come back, British Intelligence interseptembers Trumps Communications with russians. And United Airlines facing backlash after dragging this man from one of their flights. Were going to speak to the woman who was seated right behind him. 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Gentlemen, good evening to you. Steve, you first. British intelligence passed on communications between trump and russian officials. What is the significance of this . We developed over decades really, don, the excellent relationships with this group called the five eyes. Our closest intelligence allies. We have a robust sharing relationship with them. Its sort of similar thing that happened in the United States. You have gchq and British Intelligence looking and trying to figure out what Hostile Intelligence Services are doing in Great Britain in, this case most likely the russians and incidental collection just like we had here in the United States apparently. What happens in these circumstances is that information is then passed to the u. S. Government and ends up with the fbi. And the British Service really doesnt have much to do with it beyond that except that theyre, of course, making sure that we dont we try to protect the sources and methods just as we would protect ours. Its important to note that the whole idea that somebody may have reached out to gchq as the Current Administration implied or openly said, it would be illegal. We cannot ask a foreign Intelligence Service to do something that would be illegal for an american, you u. S. Intelligence or Law Enforcement organization to do. So that whole theory if its out there doesnt really fly. It makes you wonder when people are coming up with the theories about how to, you know, make all of this work or make the president s initial tweet right if they understand how the processes work. Yeah. And i would say that, you know, if you are making claims like, you know, some the Obama Administration or really any administration, past or present, reaches out to a foreign Intelligence Service and asks, hey, can you spy on an american for us . That is just ludicrous on all sorts of different levels. Legally, morally. It just wouldnt happen. Yeah, it speaks to really not understanding how the whole system works. Matthew, twint ask you. This steve mentioned the five eyes. So the u. S. And uk are part of the five eyes. Okay . And the reporting according to them says the fbi and cia were slow to appreciate the extensive nature between contacts trump team and moscow ahead of the u. S. Election. And that essentially seems as if the u. S. Agencies were asleep. Tell us about this. Does that iner if that to you . Well this is you know, what this demonstrates, the guardian story shows that the system actually worked very well. And as steve described it, you know, we have the very cooperative relationships with the members of the five eyes. They are our allies. They are also nato allies, most of them. And they acted here as whistle blowers which is exactly what we hope the system will do. This is what it is designed to help us appreciate is to pick up something that we may not actually, you know, get through our own signal system. And the most interesting thing about the story is that they were hearing these conversations. They were picking up this intelligence back in late 2015. So that raises the question of who . Who in the trump world were they observing or hearing or listening to . You know, both carter page and manifort implicate in the middle of this doesnt join the Trump Campaign until later. And were not active until the march and may time frame. So these stories, the file on this investigation is getting thicker together with the development that we witnessed this week with the story coming out about the warrant for carter page. Its becoming clear that there is some real texture to this. And that the pattern of activity started as early as 2015 and it may have involved more people. So youre asking who in the Trump Campaign would be talking to russian officials in 2015 . Why is that important . I mean, the pattern of activity that is being alleged includes in which the russian official targets or assets declared as interesting by the russian intelligence. So we dont know yet exactly whether this will lend any further credence to the theory of collusion. But what it does demonstrate is there was a pattern of activity that started early on and that continued right up until, you know, december of 2016 after the election was won. And so thats significant. If theres a broad you know, the carter page, lets turn to him for just a minute. Right now what we know, the fiza warrant was issued, is that Justice Department and the fbi may have felt that he was knowingly active as an agent. Okay. That would imply he was doing it in a very con sertd way and the question is who was he doing that with . I got your point. With these foreign intelligence agencies have passed that information on to their leaders . Meaning, is there stuff, things throughout, communications known in other world capitals . Thats to you, steve. Yeah, absolutely. And, so you know, the british leadership and what other other were involved. Their leadership will certainly see that routinely as they see other intelligence. That would be the normal thing. Before you go on, what are the issues this is also part of your discussion a second ago, i think the question was, you know, was cia or nsa perhaps a little relaxed or not surprised by what they saw . There are political sensitivities that even Intelligence Service thats try to hold them apart from the public do understand. If you have raw intelligence of the russians talking to, thater are sensitivities. I think with carter page, it was a very important question with regard to when did this all happen and why is that important . Its important because this is really textbook russian espionage. What russians what the Russian Services will do, the external service, it is their job to identify people who in the near future in the u. S. Or in other countries that theyre trying to spy on will be close to power or be involved in the power structure. Somebody like carter page or a mike flynn. And then to begin a relationship with those people that starts off xreextremely low key. Can you show me the lectures you have given and then it develops into more af relationship. We dont know whether that happened because it depends on the target in this case a guy like page saying, yeah, ill do that and im sure thats what the fbi is taking a very hard look at. All right. Thank you matthew. Thank you, steve. I appreciate it. Thank you. United airlines under crisis control after passengers dragged off one of the flights. Were going to talk to a woman who was seated right behind the ejected man with her now traumatized 2yearold son. To err is human. To anticipate is lexus. 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According to his attorney, the United Airlines passenger dast dao suffered a concussion, broken nose and lost two teeth when dragged off flight 3411. Also onboard was doria couplings. Here it is. , no im not going. I am not going. Can you drag me, im not going. Im not going. Im staying right here. It take a long time. I stay almost 24 hours. Thank you for joining me. I cant imagine what, especially what hes going through and the passengers around him. We just watched the cell phone video that you recorded. And we can hear dr. Dao and the chicago aviation officer arguing about getting off the plane. Can you please walk us through what happened next . One of the Airline Agents came on and she was separate than one of flight attendants and came on the plane and she stopped at his aisle and said you are selected to give up your seat. And he said, i first questioned why he was chosen. And then, you know, told her he wasnt leaving. He kobcouldnt go. He had to work in the morning am he was a physician. And he kept saying he didnt feel like it was right. So based on what you witnessed, was dr. Dao being disruptive . I think that he was irritated. And a little bit angry that he had been picked to give up huz seat. And i think thats pretty typical of any weary passenger who had been traveling for many hours. He said in the video that he had been traveling from l. A. So it was a long day for him. And i think that a lot of passengers would have reacted in that way. He never raised his hands at anyone. He just questioned yes was chosen and then why he had to give up his seat really and explain that he had to be at work the next day. He said who is going to see my patients . And she said well you really have no choice and then she called had the first officer come onboard. You knew it was unusual and thats why you started recording, im sure. Right. Something was going to happen next. You could tell. He was really just trying to stick to his grounds. I want to play part of the attorneys press conference. This is today where he talks about you and the video you recorded. Here it is. I think many of you might have seen the second video of the 19 week old i mean 19 week pregnant woman behind dr. 2 1 2yearold sitting on her lap. And can you see dr. Dao not striking anybody, trying to strike anybody. He just wanted to go home. I find it interesting that you said you were fearful for your own safety after watching this passenger being dragged out by three officers. How upsetting was it to you and your 2yearold son . I think raily just didnt know what was going to happen. Youre always, i guess, concerned about an altercation in a small space. I had my son with me. You know, what was he going to witness . What was he going to hear . I definitely didnt want to be directly next to the situation when it occurred especially with my baby. United Airlines Says that they are offering reimbursement to all the passenger os on that plane. You have to agree not to sue the airline in order to get your reimbursement. What do you think of that . Oh, is that the case . I actually have not responded to their reachout, i guess. So they reached out to you . They have reached out. But i havent spoken to anyone. Do you think youll take it on that condition . No. Not at this point. Why not . Im just not ready to give up i dont know how to put it. Im not ready to give up my rights and, you know, i think an Airline Ticket being refunneleded is nice but its probably not enough. You seem like you were really rattled by it. I think most people were. And they we were not even on the plane just by looking at the video. Definitely. After it happened initially, there were some people crying. There were children in the back of the plane that were visibly shaken up. When they evacuated us from the plane, we were all in the jet bridge and people were calling Family Members and explaining to them what happened and they were in disbelief. Will you ever fly united again. Probably not at this point. All right. Joya, thank you. Thank you. Im going to bring in aviation analyst miles obrien. I want to get your reaction. What do you think . Well, don, she went through a lot. And, of course, she shouldnt take the money and sign her rights away. What she and more importantly her young baby witnessed was horrific. And none of us should have to go through. That really, its, you know, kind of like they were terrorized on that flight. And frankly, weve all been terrorized watching it. Weve all been in those seats and have endured a system that is under tremendous stress. The planes are all full. There is tremendous pressure on the crews to push back on time. The work rules are difficult. Pat the pay is low. There is very little knowledge or forethought for the paying customer. Its about pushing tin. Thats the term they use, pushing the tin and the customer gets lost. Miles, attorneys for the passenger say that he suffered a concussion. He had a broken nose. He lost teeth and injuries to his sinuses. Listen a bit and then well discuss. Heres what he told me. He said that he left vietnam in 1975. When saigon fell. And he was on a boat. And he said he was terrified. He said that being dragged down the aisle was more horrifying and harrowing than what he experienced in leaving vietnam. Miles . I you know, it occurs to me when we look at those chicago aviation police, you know, in the past few years weve been seeing the authorities in a broad im talking about a much broader picture outside of aircraft really forgetting our Civil Liberties here. You know, what i see on that airplane is not america and shouldnt be. And that the reason he got on that boat or however he got to the United States was to avoid oppression. And that is oppression. That is trampling on peoples rights for no good reason and we should all stand up and say no to this. United promised to fix what is broke son this never happens again and saying theyll make big change thats will take effect by april 30th. Of note, the airline said they wont ask Law Enforcement officials to remove passengers from our flights unless there say matter of safety and security. A good place to start you think . You know, its a good place to start. Lets see what happens. You know, im going to hang on to my wallet on this one. Weve got a system that is under great stress here. With the passenger loads, the amount of traffic in the system in general. Its bulging at the seams. And this is a manifestation of that. And mr. Dao literally took it on the chin for this. But were all witness to this and its right on the edge so often. Not to blame the passengers at all, im not doing that, but its interesting, you know, almost to a person that spoke to and talked to me about this in the street or they come on the show and say why didnt anybody stand up . I think people on the plane feel like theyre sort of at the mercy of the airlines and maybe they might be the next ones dragged off if they stand up for this person. Well, i guess weve all kind of been cowed a little bit and shame on us for. That but that is the environment we live in. We pay good money and sit down and keep our head down because were afraid theyre going to throw the peanuts at us or whatever. We as passengers need to demand more. And ultimately, when we book, what do we do . We look for the lowest fare, period. Maybe we should be thinking about other things. Miles obrien, always a pleasure. Thank you. Whether we come back, jeffrey lord here to explain this. I think president trum spt Martin Luther king of health care. 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And President Trump, a comparison. Here it is. I want to Say Something here that i know will probably drive some people crazy. Think of President Trump as the Martin Luther king of health care. Oh, jeffrey. Jeffrey. When i was a kid, president kennedy did not introduce the civil rights bill because he said it wasnt popular. He didnt have the votes for it, et cetera. Dr. King kept putting people in the streets in harms way to put the pressure on so that the bill would be introduced. Jeffrey, do you understand that dr. King was marching for civil rights because people that look like me were being beaten. Dogs were sicked on them because of the color of their skin. Lets not equate dr. Mort artin luther king jr. To donald trump. Wow. Never forget. Okay. Listen, that was morning tv. So you know, hey, i got to commend you. You understand, jeffrey that, dr. Martin luther king jr. Is a civil rights hero. Did you realize what you were saying there . Sure. Dr. King is a hero of mine and has been sibs i wnce i was a ki. Don, look, i used dr. King. Let me go to other races. Lets go with dr. Kings hero, gandy. Lets go to mccarthy or hom hayden on the vietnam war. He shut down things to draw attention to the vietnam war. It is a tactic. It is a colorless strategy used effectively by dr. King for civil rights, by gandhi to get independence from india, vietnam protests for which i was part of for a bit. Jeffrey . Jeffrey, thats a reach. Do you remember it is not a reach, don. You remember what happened with sean spice we are a very ill thought out comparison as well. Some things you just some comparisons you just dont make. Dr. King wanted to shut things down to draw attention to the lack of civil rights. He was right to do so. I believe it then. I believe it passionately now. I think youre very i talked a lot about on cnn about the importance of protest and protest is designed to make people uncomfortable. The way jeffrey talks about the tactics that dr. King and other sill rights leaders used, it really does not encapsulate everything going on the people were pudding boditting bodies an the line because their right to exist was being threatened. I agree. So what you said this morning is you equated people literally putting their lives on the line for basic human rights, civil rights you equated that to what donald trump is doing in terms of talking about withholding withholding health care for millions of people and letting it collapse in an attempt to get his way to serve his political leanings. Do you think dr. King, jeffrey, would agree with taking Health Care Away from 20 Million People . I think if dr. King talked to some of pement i have who lost Family Members to obamacare that he might agree with them. You know what . Let me tell you something really quick. My father pass add way a month ago saturday. He had a stroke. He received excellent care up until his last breath because we had coverage. There are millions of people across this country who depend on this life saving coverage of the Affordable Care act. My mother, she had cancer. She is cancer survivor because of programs like the Mammogram Program thats exist at planned parenthood where folks can catch it. And brefore it takes their live. Were straying from the point here. No, were playing with peoples lives here. And what happens when people like donald trump, when folks like you equate, try to minimize it, try to politicize it, it is horrible and wrong. Health care is damn important in this country. Republicans, democrats, and independents, i think they all agree. No one is going to tell you oen obamacare is perfect. Things need to change. But we have to build on the success. People have to come to the table. We cannot play with peoples lives here and thats exactly what is happening right here, right now on this program. Absolutely not. Youre making this all up from you know, there is example after example. This is a strategy. Did you take in mind when you made those comments, jeffrey, did you take in mind that there are people out there that simone who feel like simone who are living with this every day, people who would be insult bid a comparison to someone who said he had at will can grab people by the genitals or women to make that comparison to i didnt do that, don. You did, jeffrey. We were all listening. Youre a nice enough man. I dont think you understand the comparison that you were making. I compared the strategy, don. I compared the strategy. Was it necessary . Was it necessary to make that comparison . You can compare a lot of people just like sean spicer when he made the hitler comparison. Was it necessary, jeffrey . Do you understand . Was it necessary . Do you think it was necessary . You couldnt have made your point by doing Something Else . Sure. Its a tactic. Its a color blind tactic. Strategy. We dont live in a color blind society. This conversation is thats what he is working for every day. This conversation is amazing. My heart goes out to simone and her family and may prayers are with them every single day xwust like other americans that are going through trials and tribulation thats most people cannot imagine. I have to quote again, dr. Martin luther king jr. Said of all forms of inequality injustice and health is the most shocking and inhumane. I think when people you cant just talk about dr. King and whitewash him and eliminate the context. And that is what were talking to you about, jeffrey. You cant say its the same tactic but one was talking about taking away health care and one was talking about making sure that black citizens had equality. Narrator law. You cant look at this in a vacuum. Even more importantly, i think that the level of political discourse that we have and whether or not it comes from you or whether or not it comes from sean spicer or the president of the United States is xreenlly low in this country right now. And that is the trouble that many people have. Many people are agas by the fact that you can make a comparison between donald trump and Martin Luther king jr. , snag that is unfounded. I did not do that. You did. Jeffrey, let me ask you something. You have three people you work with. Three people of color. And no. No. No. Let me get the point out. Were telling you that that comparison was insulting and youre ignoring it. Dont you think you should take that into consideration . Wloorn whether or not youre trying to make a point or not. Even if its to the point that i offended you and im sorry. When i was a teenager and my dad lost his job because he defended a black waitress. You are not answering my question. I want to hear what youre saying to the coworkers you work with now, jeffrey. He dont want to hear about something from 50 years ago. I want to hear now to the coworkers toshgts people of color you work with who were offended by your remarks. Youre not listening to us. Come on. Come on. This isnt right. This is not moral. We dont judge people by color in this country. That is racist and wrong. Jeffrey, let me tell you something. Youre crazy if you think we dont judge people by color in this country. I am a black woman, jeffrey. I dont have the luxury of youre an american. Every day i walk out of my house and someone sees me as a black woman, regardless of how i see myself, auim a black man. Don is a black man. You walk out of the house and just being an american. You dont have to think about it. You do not have to think about it. En that my friend is a position of privilege. When you have the opportunity to no. When you can listen and have a dialogue, you should take it. This is the gap in america that we have today. Because there are so many people who have these racial blind spots. Jeffrey, genuinely he does not believe does not believe that anything he said this morning was incorrect, din is general justice, wrong, or harmful. That is a problem. And we cant if you cant have that empathy for someone who just told you their father died or my father died. We have two black personalities on late night tv and one of them is telling you he is offended by it, sitting here before you. If you cant understand that empathy. We got a problem. I got to take a break. Well be back. Your Insurance Company wont replace the full value of your totaled new car. The guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. No, i picked the wrong Insurance Company. With Liberty Mutual new car replacement™, you wont have to worry about replacing your car because youll get the full value back including depreciation. Switch and you could save 509 on auto insurance. 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Well, you know, as a child of the 60s who grew up with the Civil Rights Movement that played out in front of any front yard, from the kids i went to school with to the preacher who lived across the street from my family and was very involved with the movement, i struggle very much to see the comparison between the tactics of the Civil Rights Movement and the tactics of President Trump with the health care movement. With all due respect, jeffjeffr the Civil Rights Movements like great movements in this country that had good results, like womens suffrage, the civil war, the American Revolution, these were brought up through churches and through activism. And they were about making peoples lives safer and better. And what mr. Trump is doing on health care is a boardroom tactic. Its smart. Its politics. But i dont see the comparison at all. Jeffrey, ill give you the last word on this. I see the comparison with everything youve said. The American Revolution stopped the British Government in its tracks. It upended things. Think the boston tea party. So too the civil war. So too did countless other movements that is the point that is the objective. The strategy is an old one. Dr. King used it. He was not the first. He wont be the last. He hasnt been the last. People in the Prolife Movement try and use this by shutting down abortion clinics. The objectives is to so disrupt that you get the other side to negotiate to an immigrant. Thats the objective of the strategy no matter who uses it. Jeffery, you havent listened to anything we said. Don, don, youre talking liberal to me. Thats what youre doing. No, im talking real. Im talking human. Youre going to sit here on television and tell us that you dont notice the color. I notice the color of your hair. I notice when someone has red hair. I know you have white hair. I know simone is wearing white. I know im wearing blue. Its insulting when youre stating something that is not that is not in reality. And were sitting here don, you have to make it reality. With you let me finish . Jeffery, im talking to you. Will you let me finish . Make it possible. Its denial of dr. King. Dr. King means Something Different to the people who are sitting here than he meant to you. He wasnt just a tactic for us. He is a real person who helped me to be able to get here and simone to be able to sit here. Yes, yes, exactly. And selena and for you to come on. Yes. And give some reckless comparison to his legacy. Good night. You should not be judged by the color of your skin. Good night. Were done. Yeah, 103. Well, let me ask you guys. How long did it take you two to save that . A long time. Then its a fortune. Well, im sure you talk to people all the time who think 100k is just pocket change. Right now were just talking to you. I told you we had a fortune. Yes, you did. 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