Only remfresh usesodys ionpowered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. Number one sleep doctor recommended remfreshyour nightly sleep companion. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. A little l past is 11 00 o on the east coast. Live with breaking news. Details about what Robert Mueller proposed po the Trump Legal Team about the scope and format of an interview with the president and team trumps response. More on that in just a moment. So stay tuned. It comes just as the president s former Campaign Manager paul manafo manaforts trial wraps up its second day. Prosecutors painting a picture detailing not simply manaforts extravagant spending but how he allegedly paid for everything from homes to luxury cars. A recap of the days news. When theyre presented with a case, opulence meets arrogance, they tend to sit up and take note. I can tell you a very quick story, don, where i had a case like this where we executed a Search Warrant Out On Wone of or c coconspirators homes in a recode case. As the fbi agents were taking those suits as evidence, they opened up the jackets, and in each Breast Pocket of each suit, 10,000 grand cash here, 10,000 grand cash here. And no matter what suit that Conspirator Put on for the night, he was ready for a 20,000 night on the town. That kind of evidence really grabs a jury. Wow. Interesting. I wish i had magic suits like that in my closet where the money just magically appears im saying. Jennifer, judge ellis blocked prosecutors from showing the jury pictures that document manaforts opulent lifestyle saying they were not relevant. The photos were later entered into the jury to show, and released to the public. What is the evidence, other than someone is questionable about their Fashion Sense or that they spend their money frivolously. Yeah, i think judge ellis is trying to do two things, one just to move the trial along. Hes very interested in getting this finished as quickly as possible, so the more things you show to the jury, the longer it takes. I think also, hes trying to avoid prejudicing the defendant. You know, if theres a conviction here, there will be an appeal. And the judge will have wanted to be careful about overdoing, about allowing the prosecutors to guild the lily by not only putting all of this into evidence, but showing the jury every single picture and really emphasize i emphasiziing the way he spent hs money was Prif Loufrivolous and freed. I think the judge is being careful. Greed. You said a good word. Trying to show greed. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I just got it. Thank you. Thank yup. Great answer there, jennifer. Thank you, everyone. I appreciate it. 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President trump increasingly under pressure over the Mueller Investigation with the midterms looming, and Rudy Giuliani, the president s defender in chief, says this. I say this in my role, not as a lawyer, but as a concerned citizen and republican, but this election is going to be about impeachment or no impeachment. Cnns senior legal analyst is david gergen, hes here. Also cnn political commentators oh, political analyst. Joan walsh and Alice Stewart are here as well. Thank you so much for joining us, everyone. Hi, don. David, i want to start with you. Rudy giuliani says the Upcoming Elections are going to be on impeachment or not impeachment. Do you agree with that . I think theyre fundamentally going to be a referendum on donald trump as president more than impeachment, per se. For example, i can imagine a great number of people voting, especially democrats, voting for to take the house back, but saying, lets go slow on this impeachment business. You know, maybe the voters ought to decide that. Theres a big theres a big group of people in the Democratic Party who feel that the party would be a lot healthier if it let voters ultimately decide in 2020 whether they want donald trump in or out. Ive heard supporters and conservative broadcasters say, oh, they think its just the tactic by democrats who say, oh, we dont want to look at impeachment now because, but then once, if they do take over the house, theyre going to want to impeach him. I would think that lawmakers would take that seriously because it is very dangerous, i think, to try to remove a sitting president from office, right . Sure. Its very difficult. And its very difficult. The better precedent to be set is to vote him out, where people where the people
decide on the presidency rather than impeachment. Impeachment is there for a reason, don. I dont think i can go there. I dont know, im not ready to say he should be impeached. I dont think the democrats should take it off the table because then theyre not doing their jobs. I mean, im very interested, if they take the house back, we see jerry nadler as the chair of judiciary, we see adam schiff as the chair of house intelligence. They get subpoena power. They learn more. Im not predicting theyre going to do it, but its got to be a possibility. Thats why its there. And alice is here as well. We wont forget about you, alice. Dont worry about it. Don its a possibility. Listen, if you dont have 67 votes in the senate, its a futile exercise and the country youre going after th him for the sake of Making Headlines or really have something to say . You know, it may be better to wa wait. Aliec, i know you want to weigh in. I have a question about juligi i giuliani. Its a mistake to think about this election would be about impeachment. Its about employment. My question was, you think
its ultimately a political question, no . I dont see i see voters are looking for at employment and jobs than the economy. And i think republicans, and democrats, at this stage of the game, to even be discussing impeachment with regard to how were going to approach the midterm is a huge mistake. We should all sit back, let mueller do the investigation and let the chips fall where they may. I think democrats are doing a tremendous disservice if they use that as Talking Point leading into the midterms. Alice, theyre not. Thats what im saying, if thats where they go. I think the point today was Rudy Giuliani used it as a Talking Point. Thats whats interesting. He thinks it gets out trumps base. He says theyre going to take this president away, going to treat him badly, theyre going to get rid of him and he thinks that Mobilizes Hisily mobilize the democratic base. Its a strong antitrump vote. Ill call it that. I wont call it proimpeachment. Ill go with david. Theres a difference. Theres a strong antitrump
vote. When giuliani does that, hes the one playing politics with it, actually. Alice said, im paraphrasing here, said we should let the Mueller Investigation may out and not its the wrong strategy to bring it in now, but then the president tweets, its time for, you know, the Attorney General to end the investigation. Exactly. You know, this notion that theyre trying to have it both ways. I think most people are, you know, see through that. I think that theres a degree to which overall the Trump Administration, to use a george w. Bush ism, misunderestimates the intelligence of the american people. Theyre playing us as fools. People see that. Don, i think to reiterate, i want to make it clear, i think itd be wrong for democrats and republicans, im including the Trump Administration as well, to use this as a wedge issue leading into this election, r it should be it certainly should be off the table, and i think to quote trey gowdy, if youre
innocent, act like it. And i think a lot of what we saw today with the tweets and what giuliani has said, these are not, in my view, the actions of someone who, you know, truly has a clear conscience in this regard. And i think were better served as they have said, if theyre truly cooperating with this investigation, its important to do it in word and in deed. Right. I think you were clear about both sides should use it and im glad you said that. I was going to ask you what youd say to the president and i think youd say exactly what you just said there on air to the president if he was sitting here. Yeah, i think what were seeing today in that tweet, in my view, i think the president is a little up in arms over a face to face with mueller, and things are getting closer and the investigation is narrowing in, and its causing a concern. But at the end of the day, the real issue here is russian interference in our election. We dont know if there was any influence, the vote, we dont know if there was any collusion, but thats what we need to do as
americans and as an administration, lets find out about russian interference in our election. Joan, you look at the president , his fiery tweets over the last 48 hours, hes clearly feeling the pressure from the Mueller Investigation. Right. From manafort. From cohen. I mean, manafort, cohen, Rudy Giuliani put on the table a new piece of information that there might have been a Planning Meeting for the june 9th meeting that rick gates was at. They now know more they appear to know more about what mueller has from rick gates and thats scaring them. So, you know, people all day were guessing, you know, is it that he got the news about Muelle Mueller . He want s to ask about obstruction of justice, is it cohen . Cohens gone into the background. I cant believe it. Cohen is the least of our conversation right now. It will come back around. It will definitely come back around, you know, or is it something that rick gates has said . And watching the manafort trial. I mean, all of this is closing in on him. Those are the tweets of a crazy
person. Those are very, very deranged tweets. Don, ive been sitting here most the time looking at dons threads and wondering how is it possible to spend 1 million on clothing over five years . I know, don dresses so well. I dont think hes spending that much money. Theres no ostrich. Theres not a stitch of ostrich on him. I dont have pockets that have 10,000. Are i love that. I want a magic coat, too, don. Right, dont we all . We want it legal. Yes, we do, alice, right. Not be greedy. We have a lot to talk about, and well do that when we come back. Dont go anywhere. I visualize travel rewards. I receive travel rewards. Going new places. oh going out for a bite. Going anytime. Rewarded learn more at theexplorercard. Com dinner date. Meeting his parents dinner date. Why did i want a crest 3d white smile . So i used crest. Crest 3d white removes. 95 of Surface Stains in just 3 days. For a whiter smile. That will win them over. Crest. Healthy, beautiful smiles for life. So as President Trump hits the Campaign Trail ahead of the midterms, he could be facing more pressure than ever in the comes months. Back with me, david gergen, joan walsh, Alice Stewart. Let me explain that. Imagine this. This is the reporting. Cnn is reporting that President Trump is nervous that democrats are going to take the house in the upcoming midterms so hes going to step out, step up the number of rallies that hes participating in, that hes doing. But i want you to take a look at this, all of these major events. I want to get them. Canyon imagine, th you imagine right before, right during the midterms, right . You have a manafort trial, this is the first one. Theres another one this summer. The Mueller Investigation. Possible government shutdown. You have Confirmation Hearings going on for Supreme Court justice pick. Can you imagine, so, right in the midterms, can you imagine what voters are going to be facing, can you imagine what were going to be facing on the news . Can you imagine what voters are going to be facing as they go to vote . Theyre going to have a very clear choice. Its going to be very clear. Theres going to be chaos in the
administration. You dont think that will be exhausting and so overwhelming that theyll be flooded with so much information that they really wont be certain . I dont think so. I mean, you know, i covered the virginia race in 2017, and things have been crazy for a whil while. Were the frogs in the boiling water. We dont quite realize it. Think its motivating to people on both sides, but i think more so for democrats. David . I think its time for everybody to get a rest in august. You have to buckle year seat belts for the fall. Were going to have one hell of a fall. I think most voters have a pretty clear view in their own mind about whether they approve or disapprove of donald trump. You know, he has a base thats been very strong. Its almost like a cult. But he also has a ton of people out there who hate him and think hes the worst thing that ever happened. And, you know, i think a lot of things are going to come up this fall that may jolt you one way or another, but i actually think were pretty well settled in what camp most people find themselves in. I dont think theyre going to
change camps. Even with the outcomes of all of these things happening what could really jolt it possibly is if mueller comes with a smoking gun, if theres something there as there was with nixon when you have a tape, which convinced everybody he has to go. On both sides of the aisle. But so far, theres we see no evidence that thats whats coming. Alice stewart, this is what President Trump said today about possibly forcing a government shutdown. Watch this, please. Here you are suggesting that youd be willing to, maybe you would talk about shutting down the government if thats what it took to get this wall built. Its like pulling teeth. Getting these guys to to get it done is and you have to idea how tough ive been, and i say, hey, if you have a shutdown, you have a shutdown, but whether its before or after. But i actually think its a Great Campaign issue. I think it would be great bef e before. Wait, wait, alice, hold on. I wish you guys could have seen davids expression. David, why are you so
exasperated by this . I dont understand why the question will he shut down the government or not is a Good Campaign issue or bad campaign issue. Hes president of the united states. He ought to govern on the merits. Thats what we elect him for. We dont send him in there to take a joyride about his politics and whether hes up or down, everybothing like it. To see everything through that prism demeans the president and makes him less effective as a president. Alice, do you agree . Do k you think its a good idea or bad idea . Its a terrible idea. Clearly, if he wants to throw red meat at his base, sure, go out there and talk about building the wall and mexicos going to pay for it. That didnt happen. But clearly that is an issue reinforcing his immigration policies. Thats going to help generate support amongst his base which is great. If you notice when he talked about this the other day, he was emphatic with hes okay with the government shutdown, then he follow edwas followed up with a question, he said im open for negotiation, thats not a red line. I think this is a way of him once again putting that issue back on the table and he has
walked that back a little bit. Hes saying, look, you know, we can wait and push this back, not in september but maybe consider this possibly in december. So this is this is clearly him flex bing his muscle on this issue. I dont see that happening before the midterm. He understands the consequences of that and republicans arent going to let that happen. Alice, also hes on rush limbaugh, right . Right. He knows the audience there. Right. Rush wants we did a segment the other night, i said the midterms are clearly all its all about him. Right. Right . Well, hes making it that way. He thinks thats good for him but thats really about his ego and what feels good. Hes not going to shut down the government. Hes going to totally cave to mcconnell and ryan. Hes just talking ing to his friend, rush limbaugh. It was frightening to listen to. I dont think he has the courage to do it. Don, you also have to consider the fact that hes got the house and the senate in his control right now. And if he wants money for that wall, now is the time to do it. Ill admit, there is a slight
possibility we could lose the house and if thats the case, he is never going to get his money for that wall. So nows a good time to push that issue wouldnt get the wall, maybe some of his supporters will say you promised us the wall and you didnt get it. Also you promised mexico would pay. Lets never forget that as hes demanding to shut down our government or something mexico is supposed to pay for. President obama came out with a list of over 80 candidates hes supporting for the midterms. Surprisingly, obama did not endorse alexandria Ocasio Cortez. What do you think was behind that, david . I was surprised. You were . I was surprised because you think its a whole socialist. Yeah, the backlash it does suggest that President Obama is going to be much more in favor of someone whos a center left candidate than a leftleft candidate. I think hes going to be i mean, this is a clear move many for toward the left center when he didnt embrace this woman. The fact is she does represent a voice in the matter thats very,
very important and i would think, joan, that she the only way democrats are going to win is have win in 2020 is to have two wings. Right. A modern wing and liberal wing. In her district, shes a woman. He didnt endorse dianne feinstein. What i see on that list is a lot of people who need his boost. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is going to win. I just want to read this before we run out of time. This is a tweet by the former president. Appears that hes jabbing, taking a jab at strutrump. He said im confident together theyll strengthen this country we love by restoring opportunity. Upholding our commitment to justice, responsibility, and the rule of law. First they need our votes. Well, lets hope hes a little more successful in his endorsement this time. You have to remember, during his administration, democrats lost 1,000 seats. So lets hope his support for
these candidates is a lot more helpful. I think as he said, in this is the first wave of his endorsements. Right. I think that some of these, especially cortez, may possibly get is in the second wave. Shes made a few missteps. Theres a huge Learning Curve with regard to foreign policy. I think if she shows that shes doing her homework, she may get on the second list. E yyeah. You think shes a clear winner, you think . Slight. I ha absolutely. I have no doubt. Shes a winner. Is the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party a winner . Thats a question well have to ponder. Thank you, all. My mouth is open. Alice, thanks, joan, thanks, david, i appreciate it. When we come back, a surprising prediction from this africanamerican pastor. This is probably going to be the im going to say this, the most problack president that weve had in our lifetime. Oh, as we say down in louisiana, theres mo. Is this at t innovations . Yeah, wow. This must be for one
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political commentator symone sanders. Also quentin james, founder and executive director of collective pac. And joseph pinion, a republican strategist and community activist. Okay. Good evening, guys. Good to be here. It good evening. Symone, safe to say you dont agree with pastor scott. Oh, my goodness, first of all, i know folks from ohio. They dont know him. Im just wondering what pastor scott is, in fact, a pastor of. Nevertheless, don, i just, i think that flawed just does not accurately describe pastor scotts comments, but flawed is what they were. And thats and incorrect. Youll leave it at that. Ill leave it there. So, joseph, what do you make of his criticism of a former president , barack obama, saying that he didnt feel that he had to work for the black community . Look, i think that thats a kind of colloquialism that is kind of the goto now, people assume, again, in some cases, rightfully so, that democrats
dont necessarily have to work for the votes of africanamericans. Having said that, you know, i think that, you know, perhaps in many ways, more so than the actual message of the administration, the messengers that surround the administration, i say these are not people that are actually supporters of President Trump, but more almost like trumportuni trumportunists, people who are not actually in line with the Trump Administration but willing to kind of ride this trump thing out and see where it take them and their bank accounts. I think ultimately, i remember that old malcolm x phrase, sincerity is my credential. The reality is you have to have a will to have impacts in communities of colors and actually the trusts to impact those communities and youre not going to have that trust when you have individuals who are more content to see whats in it for them than to actually have credibility with the communities they claim to want to serve. Yeah. Listen, theres also, i mean, i think, one, wouldn rk, what did flawed, s is ymone . Flawed. Thats my word of the night, don. The former president faced
headwinds that this president and other president s didnt face because as the first black president , he would get criticized when he did things specifically or targeted the black community and theyd say hes not the president of black america. Hes the president of all americans. Then they said, well, he, you know, they criticized him for tackling race issues. They called him a race baiter. So some different issues there. This president , you know, doesnt have to deal with some of that. So, quinton, i want to talk about this new investigation. This is by the center for public integrity. They find that on a list of top political donors, this is since 2009, theres only one black person. Why do you think there is . Why are there no Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelsons . Don, wealth works differently in our community. A lot of black High Net Worth donors are focused on education, on family. I think we just saw yesterday lebron james opening an Amazing School here in akron, ohio, but i think the challenge that we
have to speak up about is this reality that, look, we need people of High Net Worth, africanamericans, to understand power in this country. You know, really amazing that, again, we have this amazing new school in akron, but, you know, the akron Public Schools system has an annual budget of 300 million. So the opportunity to impact public policy, contributing the candidates to organizations like ours and others, can have a much bigger impact. I think for so long many people havent seen politics as a way to build wealth in our community. Unfortunately, people like the Koch Brothers and others see government as an opportunity to build more wealth for themselves. That really Isnt What Government is for, but its really the tradition that many of us folks who are, you know, so vested in politics have really benefited from. Im glad you mentioned lebron because i spent some time there this week. I have to commend him. Put up the video of him and his school. But, listen, there it is. I look like by the way, i am 6 feet tall. I look like im 52 standing next to him. Hes really tall. But, listen, there are, symone, hes doing a great thing. Im wondering if this is a lesson for, you know, wealthy africanamericans, wealthy people of color, that they should do similar things. Theres no shortage of black celebrities willing to give them an endorsement or appear at rallies for them. Like jayz, beyonce, oprah. And they donate to political causes as well, but not to the extent that the larger culture does. How much does that really help, though . Well, so i think that the contributions of folks like lebron james, oprah, beyonce, jayz, folks on down the line that we havent even mentioned that theyve made are, in fact, significant contributions. I do think thats something to quentins point, folks seen engaging politically as way to build wealth. What the Koch Brothers, for
example, have done, theyve built large entities around in the political sphere focused on, frankly, sh moving legislators, whether they be stateelected officials, governors, on up to members of congress to, in fact, do their bidding and advocate for things that benefit their bottom lines and other areas. And in the africanamerican community, i would even say maybe in some of the latin communities, if you will, other communities of color, we have not necessarily gotten to that place for a number of reasons that quentin mentioned. The black White Gwealth gap and white wealth gap are large. So i think there is still work to be done to close the wealth gap in communities but also there has to be some education around, you know, what engaging politically can mean for our communities as a whole. Some people dont feel getting engaged in the political arena, having their name on a
disclosure is their way to get in the game. Get in the game, you all, we need you. Theres example after example of people putting their money where their mouths are on both sides of the aisle and theyre getting they get things from the president , from the administration, from lawmakers, when they do donate them large sums of money. So i want you to ponder this question. Can you imagine a black president of the united states, a black Speaker Of The House. Could happen. Well talk about it. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of My Favorite Things these are a few of My Favorite Things
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speaker. You think it can be done . Not only, you know, can it be done, i think it probably will be done. So, this year in the midterms, talking about the possibility of moving the black caucus from 48 members to 52, 54 even, depending on how the elections go. So, theres no way to get to 218 votes in the caucus without the cbc. And so, i think theyre in a great position to determine if the leader will be one of their own members or who the leader will be for the entire caucus. So, joseph, you know this president attacks black people in power all the time. Kneeling nfl players, congressional members. How do you think hed react to a black Speaker Of The House . I think the reality of this administration is that we have demonstrated instances where the president has lashed out at individuals. Thats just in his nature. I dont think hes going to lash out anymore at a black Speaker Of The House than he would at nancy pelosi. But i will say, part of this
issue is kind of wound up in the fact of how recent history is when coit comes to the Realitie Of Black and brown people. Last topic, we were talking about why dont black people donate more . Oprahs only been wealthy for about ten years, only been rich for 20 years. With all due respect, people call it new money, right . Its not generational. Its not generational wealth. When you Start Talking about why, number one, there are people of color who want to see Something Like this, its because of the fact that the scars are so recent. And so part of the messaging issue that weve had with this administration is dealing with the fact that people need to understand that what happened didnt happen too long ago. I think thats something we can focus on moving forward and seeing how we can have something that makes sense moving forward. Symone, remember roy moore . He was depeopfeated because bla women showed up. Should their influence be recognized in congress . Absolutely. But i think the problem, don,
has been that black women have continually had to make their case to not just the Democratic Party, but i think everyone, about why we are so important. The influence that we have and how vital we are, not only to the conversation, but the movement. Luckily, within, you know, recent times, if you will, unfarntly, people have just now started to wake up to the influence and the importance of black women. So, i hope that we codify that recognition in the leadership, throughout the democratic caucus. Quentin, im up against the clock here, but nancy pelosi says, i am not going anywhere. Do you see an ugly battle shaping up . I dont think it will be ugly. When you call the leading black woman in congress unamerican, you kind of put your foot in your mouth a little bit. So, again, im excited about the chances to see the first black Speaker Of The House and i think were going to see it. Thank you all. Have a good evening. Thanks for watching. Our coverage continues. Saving on this
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