A recap of the days news. I dont know where the evidence is that would suggest that. The fact is that thats what they used against conor lamb in the special election in Western Pennsylvania which trump won by 20 points and conor lamb won. They used it over and over again with Danny Oconnor in ohio 12 who, by the way, is still running in november against mr. Balderson and danny managed to collapse the trump margin from 11 down to less than 1 . Im not sure where the evidence that that is the case, that that is an effective appeal. Its certainly their standard playbook move in eeach and ever instance. Again, to be redundant and repeat myself, they want to hear about what theyre going to do to lower Prescription Drug prices and protect people with preexisting conditions. Build infrastructure that will move this economy strongly throughout the rest of the 21st century. Finally get americans a raise. These are the things they want us talking and proposing. They want us being practical and working across the aisle and solving problems. I think that rand paul is in tune with todays republican party, what i call the putin republicans, because theres been a sea change that donald trump has brought about which you can see in one poll number from that came out just about a month ago from gallop. In 20 14, about 20 of republicans thought russia was our spend or ally. Today ooits 40 despite everything russia has done to us including interfering if h our election. Dont we have a Russian Ambassador . Is. We do. What this reminds me of is the attempt by Jared Kushner after the 2016 election to establish a back channel to russia through the Russian Embassy in washington to bypass the State Department and our Intelligence Community and i kind of have to wonder if donald trump is trying to Say Something to putin in this letter that he doesnt want to go through the normal diplomatic channels. And hes using rand paul. Yes. Whos establishing himself as a russian loyalist. Interesting. Brian, lets talk about your reporting in politico here about
a lot of people dont trust him. Would russia actually live up to these agreements . An open question. I think the bigger question here is is whether or not with all of this white noise, all of these things were talking about, the way the russians have been acting, the Terrorist Attack in britain, there are activities in syria, in ukraine, clearly the meddling in americas electoral process, is it possible that washington and moscow could set that stuff aside and keep to the very traditional approach to arms control and trying to prevent an arms race . Im not sure that thats possible in this era. So, bryan, what is the whoous white hou white house saying about this document you obtained from russian officials . Well, the white house doesnt confirm or deny its existence. The russians were asked today about it and they were somewhat critical of a spokesperson said, you know, youre talking about
russia meddling in american elections, the americans cant even keep a secret, cant even keep control of what the two president s talk about privately. But more broadly, the Trump Administration has, and the president , himself, has said that he would like to try and find a way forward on some of these arms control issues. I mean, these are important issues. If the new start treaty is not extended when it runs oug out i 20, it would be the First Time Since 1972 i think that washington and moscow do not have some sort of process in place to limit nuclear arms. So, you know, think its concerning to a lot of people in the Arms Control Community because even though they may not like the president s approach to foreign policy, they do think these issues are important. But, again, the question is, can you set aside all the politics, can you set aside all the die stabilizing activities that russia is doing and, you know, get in a room and agree on these things . So, max, lets just say, what if all of this is true . Whats russia trying to achieve here with these proposals . What do they want . Well, broadly speaking, what putin wants is to have the United States basically recognize an expansion of russian power. I mean, putin is invading his neighbors. Hes interfering in our elections and european elections. Hes sent his military into syria. He wants russia to be seen as a great power and he wants nothing more than for donald trump to recognize him as a fellow statesman, a Fellow Superpower which donald trump essentially did in helsinki in the summit. Now, i commend bryan for his excellent reporting which brings up at least one of the issues putin wanted to discuss. What id really like to know, what we dont know is what was donald trump saying here . I mean, these are legitimate issues to talk about. Arms control, about russian interference in our elections. About russian actions in ukraine, syria, et cetera. These are all totally legitimate topics for an american president to discuss with putin. But what you want is an american president who will stand up for america, don, who will say, we
will not accept this misbehavior and were in favor of arms control, but by the way, youre violating the intermediate Nuclear Forces agreement and you need to live up to your prior treaties if were going to reach new deals. Now, does anybody here really think that donald trump did that with Vladimir Putin when we saw that shocking submissiveness on the part of trump in the Press Conference with putin where he was accepting his denials, his lies about russian interference in the u. S. Election . When he said it was an incredible idea to turn over the u. S. Ambassador for questioning by russians. Does anybody imagine that Behind Closed Doors donald trump was really standing up for america and sticking it to putin and telling him, Laying Down The Law . That i found very hard to believe. We still dont know exactly what he said or what went on. I find it interesting Vladimir Putin is stalking about ha happen happened in the meeting. Even the people around the president , they have no idea. Right. What was said. And probably the way the u. S. Government finds out what happened is by intercepting
russian communications about the meeting. Thank you, bryan. Thank you, max. When we come back, were going to talk to the man President Putin Singled Out by name who is at the center of the Trump Tower Meeting. Bill brouder gives us his take on the timing of the Just Announced russian sanctions. vo theres so much we want to show her. We needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. avo subaru outback. 98 are still on the road after 10 years. Come on mom, lets go avo right now, get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 subaru outback. With our largest variety of crab all year like new crabfest combo. Your one chance to have new Jumbo Snow Crab with tender dungeness crab. Or try crab lovers dream. But hurry in. Cause Crabfest will be gone in a snap. Morning. Morning. What do we got . Keep an eye on that branch. Might get windy. Have a good shift. Fire pit. Last use 0600. Id stay close. Morning. Get ready to switch. Protected by flo. Should say, protected by alan and jamie. Right . Should it . When you bundle home and auto. Run, alan . You get more than just savings. You get roundtheclock protection. The white house slapping russia with new sanctions today. And i want to talk about this now with bill browder, how is a known putin critic and author of red notice a True Story Of High Finance murder. Fascinating book. I would suggest that everyone reads that. Everyone should read that book. Bill, thank you so much for joining us. Great to be here. So today, lets talk about these new sanctions that were announced against russia in response to the poisoning of former russian spy and his daughter in the uk. Russia denies responsibility for that, but do you think that these new sanctions have any
effect on putins behavior . Well, i mean, i think first of all, i think that these sanctions are significant mostly because you now have the United States, the most powerful country in the world, officially recognizing that russia committed an act of terrorism using chemical weapons in the heart of england. And now theres a certain set of sanctions that are going to roll out from that. I think thats very significant. And the way i understand putin, and ive known putin in a lot of conflict over a long period of time, is that hes a guy who likes to avoid consequences. He likes to do stuff where nothing happens when he does bad stuff. So the fact that there are consequences for this chemical weapons attack against the skripals, i think it very much puts putin on the defensive and makes him think, well, ive got to go do stuff where people and countries arent going to react and arent going to respond like this. Bill, there were a lot of Shifting Stories as you know on this whole russia, the meeting
at trump tower. The president has now acknowledged the Trump Tower Meeting was, indeed, to get dirt from russians on hillary clinton. Instead, were told that all they got was an attorney talking about the Magnitsky Act, also about sanctions. Whats your take on this meeting . Well, so there were two sides to the meeting. There were the russians then there was the trump family. The russians had something they wanted and the trump family had something they wanted. The russians who are working on behalf of Vladimir Putin wanted to have the Magnitsky Act repealed. The act is named after my lawyer, sergei magnitsy, killed in a russian prison. Unpleasant sanctions against putin and his cronies. They went in there and said we want these sanctions repealed. Of course, the russians dont womto a meeting empty handed. They have to offer something the other side wants so they were Proposing Dirt On hillary
clinton. So that was the quid pro quo. That was the setup for the meeting and everybody had something they wanted. Now, whether anybody walked away happy or not is another question. But its clear what the two sides wanted. Ive been wanting to ask you this because, you know, since the helsinki meeting, you believe that this private meeting in helsinki between President Trump and president putin, you think it was actually about you and the Magnitsky Act. Why do you think that . Well, i think that for starting out after the Magnitsky Act was passed, putin declared it his priority to have it repe repealed. That was back in 2012. Hes been on a mission to get it repealed ever since then. As we just discussed, it showed up as the one thing they asked for in trump tower. And weve known theres a bunch of other approaches and intentions that they had in washington an Elsewhed Elsewher it repealed then it shows up in the Press Conference. We also know in the press
conference in helsinki, that i should say before the Press Conference, they had a twohour meeting where nobody knows with what they discussed. This is what they discussed. It may not have been only what day discussed but surely this someone of the things they discussed. Bill, putin mentioned you by name in the public part of that Meeting Offering to allow investigators to interview those indicted by mueller in exchange to allowing russians to have access to you. How did you feel when you heard that . Well, i didnt feel great. At the same time, i didnt feel as if i was going to be handed over to the russians any time imminently, and as you may recall, after that sort of offer was put out there, the senate voted 980 to reject that offer and so, you know, theres this very strong appetite in the u. S. Not to have anything like that
happen. Yeah. And so i wasnt too nervous that i was going to be handed over any time soon. Well, the president called that, this is a quote, an incredible offer, then he was forced to back track after a huge backlash. You state would have been a death sentence. Sk well, what you have to unction is Vladimir Putin killed my lawyer Sergei Magnitsky for exposing a corruption scheme. His government killed him by torturing him to death in prison. Theyve been trying for the last 8 1 2 years to get me into a russian prison to do the same thing. If im handed over, the same thing will happen to me. You say you have been under putins skin for a very long time, right before the trump putin summit, you wrote a piece in time magazine. That piece is called ive been putins number one foreign enemy for a decade, heres what trump should know about handling him. Your piece was translated, published in russia and downloaded a massive number of times on a moss wow can website. What was putins reaction to it . I think putin was just going to talk about me privately in the meeting with trump, and i think that hes such an emotional guy that when he got hold of that article in russian, we effectively smoked him out. Thats why he mentioned me publicly. Im glad that whatever happened happened in front of the whole world as opposed to between two guys in a private meeting. Uhhuh. I just interviewed the gentleman about the politico reporting tonight. You know, theres no real record of what trump and putin actually discussed the meeting today. Politico published the document leaked from russian officials outlining the topic they supposedly talked about. Nuclear weapons, right . Youre skeptical about that. I think the russians leaked that document as a way to confuse the conversation. The idea of talking about Nuclear Weapons is exactly what
two Nuclear Powers should be talking about in a summit like that, not handing over dissidents and critic critics. That is the appropriate conversation and the fact that nobody knows what happened in that meeting a month later in that secret meeting, and then the russians leak a document like that looks to me like just a disinformation exercise. Doesnt look like that was the real topic of conversation. The book is called red notice. I urge everyone either download it or pick up a copy. Its a fascinating, fascinating read. Thank you, bill browder. Appreciate your time. Thank you. When we come back, some ceos who quit the president s Advisory Councils over his good people on both sides comments after the deadly White Supremacist rally in charlottesville, well, they joined him for dinner last night right before the oneyear anniversary of that violent rally. I have a lot to say about that. Stick around. I am all about living joyfully. You can add voice for just 24. 95 more per month. Call or go online today. Call or go on line today. The Virginia Governor and the city of charlottesville declaring a State Of Emergency ahead of the anniversary of last years deadly unite the right rally. Citing concerns over planned demonstrations of hate. National guard units will be deployed for additional security. Of course, it was one year ago that torchcarrying neonazi racists gathered there. Chanting racist slogans and terrifying people. 32yearold Heather Heiger was killed and many injured. In the aftermath, these comments from the president. You also had people that were
very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, i saw the same pictures as you did. Many left President Trumps form rum and manufacturing advisory council. The groups of lead businebusine were meant to clab late with the administration. The president was initially unfazed saying for every ceo that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, i have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. Jobs. Kbt as the blowback grew, a vast majority of ceos on the panel said they were going to call it quitsd disba disbanded. President trump tweeted this, rather than putting treasure on the businesspeople of the Manufacturing Council and strategy and policy forum, i am ending both. Thank you, all. Well, that was it for the
councils. So it was interesting to see who the president dined with last night. Some of those very same people who so admirably took a stand last year were add bt Bedminste Golf Club days before the ugly incident that the president could not Yun Runilaterally dis. Take the ceo of johnson johnson. He said, the president s most recent statements equating with those who are motivated by hate is unacceptable and changed our decision to participate in the white house manufacturing advisory council. Pepsi pepsicos ceo was who instrumental getting other Council Members to stand against the president tweeted one year ago this, she was heartbroken by the violence at the White Nationalist rally. The wake of racist violence, mike weinberger, ceo of accounting giant ernst young said bigotry and hatred have in place in our society. Im deeply saddened and sis p h disturbed by the tragic, deplorable acts that took place in charlottesville. We at cnn and colleagues at ncbc reached out to ask for a comment from these executives on last nights dinner. Enrst young was the only juon to get back to us saying, no comment. Perhaps they believe over the past year President Trump has showed some evolution of thought and contrition about what happened in charlottesville. Though i dont think we have seen much evidence of that at all. They may feel that attending this dinner now, a year later, is the right thing to do for their companies. Regardless of their personal feelings about charlottesville at the time. The white house says that last night i nights dinner At Bedminster was the chance for the president to hear from a number of business
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staffers and said go write an Executive Order on immigration, these guys want highskilled immigration here. Right . I dont know what comes of that. Maybe something. Maybe nothing. Youre not going to have that conversation with the president of the United States if you dont show up for dinner. Charlottesville was declared a State Of Emergency. Anniversar. Heather heyer died. Do you think people have moved on . How could they have moved on . I dont think anybody has moved on from what the president said or what happeneded there r or, mii mean, that was absolute equating neo nazis and what happened was pomorally unconscionable. Marks exactly right. Theyve got shareholder interests. Theyve got other competing interests at play. And the president after he said those things, you know, a year has gone by and he hasnt, you know, hes continued to make all sorts of other problems for himself. And have other interests. What do you think . Shes right. I think margarets right. And mark on this one. Because, you know, the ceos like andrew nuey i know from westchester, where pepsicos World Headquarters is, everything is global now. Right . So pepsico is all over the world. And trade and sanctions have an effect on pepsico and all those ceos. So if they were to not sit down with the president , take that opportunity, they would be a dereliction of their duty as the ceo of a Major Company and their number one responsibility is to their company and their shareholders. So it is dangerous, by the way, when companies go out of their zone of what theyre suppose edo be doing and make Public Policy statements or take these kind of positions because that can tick off half the country. Mostly do you think these ceos, though, are effectively telling him that there are no consequences to what you say . Or your actions at all . No, i think they made those
statements by folding the council and making those statements at the time. Think that had an effect. Also when theyre getting invited to sit down with the president , they have to do that. I dont care who the president is you have to go to bedminster, though . No. Thats the thing he went to the golf club, right . It wasnt like they if they wart mere at martha vineyard. When the president invites you go to the president s table no. If your calculation jour life looking out for shareholders interests. Whats extraordinary about charlottesville is how many ceos were going to put a stand about it. Cnbc put out a poll baseically saying theres a 70 chance there will be a backlash on brand reputation. If you make a statement either affirmatively or negatively about donald trump. I said why do you have to go to bedminster . Why would you have to go to bedminster to do it . You have to think about it. You have to weigh one against the other. Same thing with the pastors. Right. Hold on, before you jump in. You said they dont have to go. We both looked at each other and said, no. Look at athletes, many did not want to go to this white house. There are celebrities who didnt go who i think were right not to go. I think if you go, you have to go under your terms and your conditions. I think because they walked away from him, because hes the one in the vulnerable position right now, youre in a position of strength where you can dictate the terms of the engagement. If im the ceo of a corporation, say, mr. Trump, ill meet with you but im not going to make it look like were old buddy it is who had an under the table deal the whole time. Well meet at the white house, meet somewhere else where it looks like were talking brass tax. Go straight to business. I think being Donald Trumps friend right now is generally bad for business. It is the summer white house, right . The oval office is under construction. Thats where theyre having their meetings, running the
countrys business. Its really not the same as the white house . Margaret. Hold on. Hold on. It is a private trump property. Not like they were at camp david. Im not favor of the president Driving Business and reputation and Brand Marketing to his personal businesses while hes in the white house. Vy a problem with that. They just didnt get off the 18th hole. They were invited there in the Conference Room or the dining room around a big table to have a discussion. I think the setting is irrelevant. The fact that theyre meeting with the president is very important to their companies and to their shareholders and you always should have that dialogue. When president obama or president bush or president clinton, when they met with ceos, not every one of those ceos agreed with the president. Of course, they were going to meet with him because they had an interest that they needed to take to the table and talk to the president about. Thats fascinating. I feel like when its people we like, we say, oh, you have to meet with them even if we disagree. If its people we dont like, we
say you cant dignify them with their appearance. I think both parties do it. Lots of people some people say we should meet, some people say you shouldnt meet. My point is to say, i think both parties do it. We have to have a consistent standard about what qualifies as a legitimate meeting and what does not. I dont have a problem necessarily with the ceos meeting with him. For me, again, optics matter. I think the setting does matter. I think the setting always matters. In charlottesville, it will be a very different narrative than if they met in d. C. It matters. I think now these ceos partly because of this conversation have to two back ago back, expl they were meeting a ining about they were meeting. Appearance matters. It feels like they were on the 18th hole. They all leaked. There were massive stories from the ceos, talked about trade, talked about immigration. Go back, all the storiy ies wrin about it, whatd they get out of it, why did they do it . Dressed up At Bedminster, a private property of the
president. If you meet someone on their turf in a private setting, it looks like youre being chummy or cozy with them. No. The private setting it doesnt matter if you support them or not. Thats his turf. Thats the peoples tur. Thats where the president a trump property feels a little less public. All right. Were going to take a break. When we come back, why twitter wont ban a Conspiracy Theorist known to spread dangerous and false information. Are they celebrating free speech or passing the buck . vo love. I got it. I gotcha baby. vo its being there when youre needed most. Hes the one. vo love is knowing. It was meant to be. And love always keeps you safe. vo love is why we built a car you can trust for a long time. The allnew Subaru Impreza sedan and fivedoor. A car you can love no matter what road youre on. The Subaru Impreza. More than a car, its a subaru. Right now, get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 Subaru Impreza. Youve got my word, that were charting an even better road for uber, and for those that rely on us every day. Why people everywhere are upgrading their water filter to zerowater. Start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. Pour it through britas twostage filter. Dissolved solids remain . What if we filter it over and over . sighing oh dear. Thank goodness zerowaters fivestage filter gets to all zeroes the first time. So, maybe its time to upgrade. Get more out of your water. Get zerowater. Could help them save money on Car Insurance . Yea,that and homeowners, renters, motorcycle and boat insurance. Huh. Thats nice. What happens when you catch a fish . Gecko whoa. Geico. More than just Car Insurance. See how much you could save at geico. Com. Im ok alex jones and his media outit will info wars are banned from apple, facebook, youtube and spotify, but not twitter. Twitter ceo Jake Dorsey Expla explained why, saying info wars has not violated the companys rules and it is up to journalists to call out jones for making false claims. Back with me now are mark, margaret and rob. Lets talk about this. The very definition of truth and reality come under attack, right, and facts. Conspiracy theories on social media, fake news on all these platforms. Is twitter, do you think twitter is basically saying, you know, hes not violating the policy, but just you can say whatever you want . Is that what is that good judgment . I mean, we let donald trump do it, right . I think theres space to let people flesh out ideas, to debate and go at it. I personally think that youtube and other platforms have made the right decision by taking alex jones off, because hes violated Terms Of Service and its dangerous. I dont have a problem with twitter making a different choice and saying, hey, talk all
you want. Expose these ideas and let the world engage and debate them. I want the other companies to reserve the right to be able to do it. Its the job of journalists, is he he doesnt see himself as a journalist. Twitter has a spotty past of allowing their platform for the free and open use. I mean, there were mothers of victims of isis who were begging twitter, back in 2013 and 2014, even as recently as 2016, 2017, to not allow terrorists, not allow isis fighters to use their platform in order to communicate with each other and, you know, continue their plot to take over the western world. I think theres a fair line to draw there. Dont let isis draw your platform. Alex jones could be on the other side of that line, right . Absolutely, absolutely. Im not likening Alex Skroejone theyve had a hard time drawing the line. Absolutely. And that as evidenced. Rob, after dorsey tweeted out a statement, this is twitters safety team, they said, as we have stated publicly, we strongly believe twitter should not be the arbiter or truth nor do we have Scaleable Sluxs to determine and action whats true or false. So, if they cant determine truth, lies or hate speech, how can anyone else truth what we see on that platform . Well, i think its a really dangerous path right now were heading, and i would prefer to have the twitter model and just have the wild west on the internet than have some 25yearold berkeley grad sitting there determining what is and what isnt hate speech. It is the wild west on the internet. No one is banning alex jones from the internet. Look, i think hes a lunatic. Hes an outlier, i have no respect for him or his beliefs. But i would rather him be on the internet and people hes on the internet. Im saying, him not being taken down hes not taken down off the
internet. Hes taken down off private platforms. Its an important distinction. Hes not been banned or threatened with jail. If you use a service and you violate it, then you can no longer use that service. Yes, but whats happening is, its very subjective on what they determine to be hate speech. And when we start going down that path, its going to backfire. Look, and the opposite is this, the state of new jersey now is spending 5 million out of taxpayer dollars to prop up community newspapers. The state is basically running newspapers now . Thats just as bad. I get it. As somebody on the left, i dont want a 25yearold oral roberts grad to check my speech, either. Right. Its a slippery slope. Yes. If that were whats at stake. But theres a different issue that sometimes gets conflated, and that is, to dons point, this isnt about First Amendment at all, and it always becomes a First Amendment right for
holding people accountable for doing whats way beyond whats appropriate. People can say what they want on the internet. Alex jones, no ones taking his platform. This is about having a free platform. And people have a right to we have a right to say, you cant be on my my vat plaprivate plat. Especially when you think about what happened, Conspiracy Theories about what happened at sandy hook, you know, and what happened absolutely. The school in florida. So, by the way, twitter makes these distinctions, other Internet Platforms have decided not to carry him. And guess what, his app is trending. To the point that hes not have at it. First amendment rights have not been violated. Not in the least. Right. Go to his app. I just i just dont want me or you or you or you to be a year from now determined by some of these companies to be out of bounds and are taking you down,
because they may not agree with our political views or i dont think this is about politics. This is about outlandish, crazy hes nuts. Hes awful. Maybe the lesson is we should be more responsible and alex jones should be more responsible. And especially considering what happened with the 2016 election, i think these Companies Need to take more of a responsibility, especially when it comes to people spreading lies. We have an important job that were beginning to take even more seriously than we have and we always have, and that is factchecking. Yes. Holding people accountable. Putting peoples feet to the fire. Thanks for watching. Our coverage continues. Thank you, guys. Belly fat
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