Ukraine scandal. And tax documents belonging to the trump organization, that on two properties, the documents show they appear more profitable to lenders and less profitable to tax officials. Were going to get to all of that in just a moment but i want to focus now on the big picture here. Lets start with that. That chaotic meeting between the president and Democratic Leaders. Joining me is charlie dent, michael sheer. Good evening. Thank you so much. We got a lot of ground to cover. First off, michael, i want you to listen to how nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer described the meeting with the president. Still the part of the president was a meltdown. Sad to say. He called her a third grade politician. This was not a dialogue. It was sort of a diatribe, a nasty diatribe not focused on the facts. Michael, ive got to ask you, is the president s meltdown a reflection of the chaos hes facing on two fronts, impeachment and syria . Yeah, i think thats right. This president has shown a propensity for emotional outbursts when he feels like hes being squeezed and right now hes being squeezed in ways that normally he doesnt see, right . The republican vote that you mentioned condemning the syria, the resolution condemning his actions in syria, it was a remarkable vote that encompassed a lot of people that normally are his rock solid supporters, the republicans who never, you know, kind of leave him in the lurch and they did so hes obviously under pressure in a way that he isnt normally and then on the impeachment, i mean, the remarkable day after day after day of these amazing testimony, hours and hours of testimony from his own Administration Officials with, you know, headlines almost hourly damaging to his credibility and helping the democrats to build this impeachment case and so you can imagine the kind of, you know, pressure he feels and it seems like in this meeting, it kind of built up to a point where he, you know, at least according to the democrats that were in the room, he snapped a bit. Charlie, dana, i want to bring you in. Speaker pelosi said the president was shaken up opposing the troop withdraw from syria, 35460. I mean, many republicans voted against the president. Thats a huge rebuke, dont you think . Of course. Its an enormous rebuke, don. I mean, the policy of the president to simply betray so cruelly our kurdish allies was just so stunning and striking in terms of how mean it was. I mean, the president , he is empowered. He has empowered, putin, assad, isis, turkey, iran. On so many levels this is a betrayal not only of the kurds but american interests and american values. So im not surprised that members stood up. Im surprised more havent stood up on other issues but im glad they stood up on this one because it was an egregious violation. You say that between the president throwing our allies to the wolves and the impeachment inquiry heating up, more republicans will jump ship. Do you actually believe that . I believe smart rats jump a sinking orange ship and if you dont believe me, you havent paid attention to the last week. Look, there is people still Public Servants who are defying the Trump Administration obstruction and actually voluntarily coming to give testimony, right . You had ambassador mckinley and fiona hill and you have one coming out tomorrow to hopefully save himself but i think that will be good luck because that man seems like hes in deep trouble and thoroughly incompetent. Especially with this syria vote, 35460. Are you kidding me . That is a stunning rebuke of donald trump. Even Lindsey Graham who functions like Donald Trumps boot hill for the past year has been very vocal, very public called into fox and friends and talked about what a decision it was to withdraw the troops that led to the massacre of kurds and gave a second lease of life to isis and only helped enemies. Its helped syria, iran, isis and wait for it, russia. And russia was the buzz word at the meeting that allegedly triggered donald trump and forced him to call nancy pelosi a third grade politician but i think he made third rate. Thats what set him off, apparently. Reportedly. So michael, the president furiously tweeting, of course, after that meeting that he just mentioned including this image with an insult to nancy pelosi. There it is up on your screen. She reposted it on her twitter page because it looks like she is the only one willing to stand up to him. Thats right. Yeah, i got to say, i mean, just as a political decision, you got to wonder what was going through the minds of the white house or President Trump, you know, to post that particular picture because not only does it show nancy pelosi looking like shes taking command of this room full of mostly men is it the same that wrote that letter that thought this would somehow well, right. I mean, i suppose we shouldnt be surprised. To me, the fact that the pelosi people put that kind of re kind of owned that photo by putting it on her twitter feed at that point says it all. I mean, this is not a photo that, you know, conveys the strength that you would think a president would want to convey and in fact, its the opposite. He looks subserve to nancy pelosi and strains the logic to think that would be something you would put out, but as you know, there is a lot about President Trump thats strange to logic and his twitter feed is only one of them. The president says he sent this letter to turkeys president last week writing history will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things dont happen. Dont be a tough guy. Dont be a fool. I will call you later. Thats my favorite. Ill call you later. Theres been three selfowns by Trump Administration. Number one, he released the transcript of the call with president zelensky thinking that would absolve him. That was the confession. Number three, this photo shows nancy pelosi dominating him as a bunch of weak spineless men have their heads burroed down in their heads that will be a historic photo. There are several versions. He sent out a version with the table empty. Did down see the expressions on everyones faces there . They look like they were at a funeral or they had lost their best friend. Im sorry, go on. Yeah, those rats arent smart yet, don. The third one is this letter that the white house most likely leaked to fox thinking that will make him look tough but its dated october 9th. Okay . That means erdogan read it, laughed at trump, ignored it. Invaded syria and did what he wanted to do. In that letter, donald trump throws our allies under the bus, the general from the syrian general forces and does all this fire and furry and ends with ill call you later and just today in the press with the italian president , he repeats proturkish and prorussian talking points throwing the kurds under the bus and saying the pkk are worse terrorists than isis. He got completely owned by erdogan, kim jongun, mbs and as always, putin. Putin says jump, trump says how high . Charlie, you had a very strong reaction to reading this letter but your reaction was just as much about the white house staff, right . Yeah, i mean, when i looked at that letter, i said oh my heavens, there is absolutely utterly no process involved here. I mean, if i were the chief of staff, i would have tackled the president before he hit the send button on that letter. I mean, clearly, nobody at the National Security counsel could have looked at this or defense or state departments. Usually there would be some kind of inner agency review. This is just a riff. He probably indicated this to the closest person and sent it. Again, its simply stunning. It just shows the utter chaos in this administration, in this white house that a letter like this could have been sent. I mean, again, almost no words to describe this, how lack of a process that there was involved with this type of a letter. Sincerely, donald j. Trump. Its signed. Ill call you later. [ laughter ] thank you. Im going to destroy your economy. Dont be a fool, but ill call you later. Ill call you later. Thank you. See youall soon. Appreciate the time. President demands loyalty from seemingly everyone he encounters but is he returning the favor . The russells travel to swim meets every saturday. But now. Its thursday. Good thing they discovered gain flings with oxi boost and febreze odor remover. Gain flings. Seriously good scent. They use stamps. Com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. Work so hard give it everything you got get a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale strength of a lioness tough as a knot rocking the stage and we never gonna stop all strength, no sweat. Just in case you forgot all strength. No sweat secret. All strength. No sweat. Republican allies blasting him for showing disloyalty. Do they see what is going on there . Lets discuss with the author of impeachment and the author of the truth about trump. Good evening. Michael, ill start with you. Impeachment in syria, lets take a look at them together here. The president is expecting personal loyalty from his allies on impeachment, right . At the same time, hes showing no loyalty to our countrys allies, the kurds. Do you think republicans, particularly the one whose are upset with him over syria understand how much this whole thing is a oneway street when it comes to trump . Oh, i think they know. I think they are still afraid of him, but hes demonstrated at every point in his life and in every relationship hes ever had whether its with a wife, with a business partner, with investors, with people hes contracted with, that he betrays everyone and now hes enraged. His rage knows no bounds and hes destroying in part the Republican Party and could be destroying his presidency. Everyone sees this except for the president himself who cant get out of his own way. I mean, did you see that press Conference Today with the italian yeah, and i also read the letter. And its oh, were going to get to the letter. Its the most foolish letter. I dont think can you stand by . I want to play this. Were going to talk about the letter, okay . The president tried to justify his decision, tim, to pull out American Forces by accusing the kurds with no evidence of wrongdoing. Watch this. The kurds know how to fight and as i said, theyre not angels. Theyre not angels. Syria also has a relationship with the kurds, who by the way, are no angels, okay. Who is an angel. There arent too many around. Is there any historical precedent for an about face like this and for what he said . There have been about faces but we usually associate them with the Foreign Policy of Great Britain and the Foreign Policy. There was a fastness about her commitment to containment. No, this is a first time. And, you know, the thing about this is the president cant justify the Foreign Policy he has selected. Right. What he does is he attacks the critic, whether the critic say kurd or american, he attacks them because he doesnt understand Foreign Policy. This is where im going now. Then he puts out this letter, right and thinks somehow this will tamp down. Go on. What i want to say about the letter, to go back to what michael said, this is a president who thinks everyone is corrupt, and everyone can be bought and that includes foreign leaders. He thinks that he has erdogans number. That letter and erdogan and turkeys behavior in syria proves its erdogan who has trumps number. Erdogan has played him the way kim jongun played him and the way Vladimir Putin played him. We have the weakest commander in chief in modern u. S. History. We have never looked this weak. We have never seen such disgrace, lowered on our troops. Our troops are not disgraceful. Our commander in chief brought disgrace to them. Whats very interesting now is we have National Security republicans who understand the game. They know about Foreign Policy. They know the president has been disgraceful. They have talked to the president. They know hes a fool on Foreign Policy. In the early 1950s republicans were afraid of Joseph Mccarthy and joe mccarthy went against the u. S. Military. And a lot of republicans found their inner core, and they realized enough is enough. You think thats going to happen . Im not sure but im saying to folks that are arguing that this country is too partisan, im saying there are americans among the Republican Party who recognize that we have the most dangerous commander in chief in modern history in the white house. So listen, michael, this impeachment thing, how did we get here, the ukraine letter and Conspiracy Theory about hunter biden and joe biden. Has ukraine called, excuse me. So lets ive got to get your thoughts. This is don junior on fox news tonight. Just watch this. When youre the father and your sons entire career is depending on that, they own you, sean. Thats what it is. [ laughter ] he and i actually had a conversation is this the death of irony . [ laughter ] i discussed this very thing with don junior. He talked to me about nepotism and how he is the beneficiary of nepotism. He said eric and ivanka and i would not have these positions in any other circumstance. He knows. So i mean, this is just pathetic. This is disgrace under pressure. This is a guy who just he takes after his dad. Lets just put it that way. Well, his dad said in an interview with larry king, i love nepotism and anyone that doesnt understand it or love it doesnt have children. Shocking. There you go. [ laughter ] don junior. No shame. Wow. Thank you gentlemen, appreciate it. There could be new trouble for Rudy Giuliani. National security trouble, at least. Those details and how worried he should be. Thats next. Growing odors. Sit around thats why we graduated to tide pods sport. Finally something more powerful than the funk. Tide sport removes even weekold sweat odor. Its got to be tide. 9. 95 . No way. . 9. 95 . Thats impossible. Hi, im jonathan, a manager here at Colonial PennLife Insurance company, to tell you it is possible. 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Rudy giuliani facing new questions and we learned hes facing more than just a criminal investigation. Sources telling cnn federal investigators are looking into Counter Intelligence concerns. The president s lawyer all over the map in recent weeks as a u. S. Scandal engulfed more and more people in the Trump Administration. It says you had a shadow regarding ukraine. I never knew about the 250 Million Dollar military aid. I wouldnt cooperate with adam schiff. I think adam schiff should be removed. Youre not going to cooperate. I didnt say that. I said id consider it. You said you wont do it i said ill consider it. I went back to read two books about the salem witch trial. They required witnesses to face the fitch and some witches were acquitted. The witches had it better, in other words . They had more rights. Good evening, anybody seen Rudy Giuliani on tv recently . Been pretty quiet, attending baseball games. Its going beyond financial crimes. There is a troubling National Security component to this. There is a very troubling National Security component because the fbi was concerned about things they were hearing. We dont know everything they are dealing with but the shady characters, the two men and associates indicted, the dealings with these men certainly caught the Counter Intelligence, the eyes of the fbi and Counter Intelligence concerned that perhaps in someways that maybe Rudy Giuliani was being duped. Having the presidency, Rudy Giuliani has the president here and we seen evidence he goes and tells the president things, the president listens and this is concerned investigators greatly so they started this Counter Intelligence investigation. It sounds like they seen signs of lawyers being asked questions about dealings with these two men. Its still on going. Compared to what we seen with the mueller investigation. There was parallel investigations going on. We had Counter Intelligence and a criminal investigation which is in this case the public corruption unit. Can we talk about rick perry on the record tonight in an interview with the wall street journal saying he sought out giuliani at the president s direction to talk about ukraine. Significant there, again, obviously is Rudy Giuliani. The fact the president was telling everyone you need to talk to Rudy Giuliani what to do about ukraine. He talks about how he spoke to Rudy Giuliani. He calls Rudy Giuliani and this was a way to ease a path and rudy ghoul johnny says there is three things the president is upset with ukraine over. The 2016 election, the ukraine that they have clinton server, he brought up Paul Manafort and they cooked up evidence regarding corruption involving Paul Manafort and brought up the dossier is what rick perry says, thats where that originated. So rick perry says i dont know what was true but this is what was said to me. He says rick perry that no demands were ever made, that the bidens never came up. But significant in all of this is again, why is the president going to rick perry and saying talk to Rudy Giuliani. Thats they are going real Conspiracy Theory deep state here. The dossier, you know. Thats the fbi Counter Intelligence agents began asking Rudy Giuliani back in february and march. There is added significance there. What is that . So when you open the Counter Intelligence investigation, you can have whats called a preliminary investigation. Sometimes people are being unwittingly targeted. They may have come in contact with a Foreign Intelligence Service for example and you want to see if there is a threat. Those have to be closed every six months if you warn them and its taken care of. For anything beyond six months is a full investigation and in my opinion, given that Rudy Giuliani is the president s lawyer that hes a u. S. Person, i think for an investigation going on for that long would likely have to have a higher threshold than he might be unwittingly in contact. I mean, we know that hes quite overtly been involved with meeting and talking to foreign officials. The concern for a Counter Intelligence division would be is he somehow furthering the interest of a foreign principle, foreign state, foreign business, some kind of foreign entity that is not in the National Security interest of the United States . Interesting. The Southern District of new york, is digging into giulianis possible offenses in the office he once led, which is very interesting and the fbi Counter Intelligence aspect to this. How much trouble is rudy ghoul giuliani possibly . He ought to know its really bad news if the Southern District is digging into you. Its a financial investigation all encome pasting. There are so many areas he could face exposure. Hes out there in the open asking ukraine for help with election information, right . So he could be looking at bribery. He could be looking at foreign election aid. Hes got money flying all over the place. Hes making half a Million Dollars from these two guys that got arrested last week. We dont know who he works for. Wasnt he questioning hunter biden making money from right. Funny how that works. By the way, thats a good question. Whats that half Million Dollars paying rudy for . He said its for legal and Business Advice . Id like to see his work product. I dont know if its worth half a Million Dollars. Id be surprised. The president was able to separate himself from Michael Cohen and manafort but this was an impeachment inquiry. Does it make it harder for the past to distance himself . Don, we have a transcript where the president is telling foreign officials go talk to Rudy Giuliani. You know mic drop. Ive been saying that from the beginning again. Dont you think the transcript of its just its pretty damming. Its the smoking gun as we would say. Okay, yeah. Hell still try it. Hell do the same thing he tried with Michael Cohen. With the irony here is that, you know, trump seems to rely on these private attorneys, Michael Cohen, you know, Rudy Giuliani. Had he been keeping this in the official channels, hed actually have article two Foreign Policy defense in a way of saying look, im conducting my own Foreign Policy. Involving this random private citizen to be running around the world doing your work for you and your personal lawyer makes it clear that youre not doing 20 seconds. Thats why there is this Counter Intelligence investigation. People realize this is how trump operates. The spies are good at realizing this. They have basically been able to infiltrate. We seen it during the campaign and inauguration and seeing it during administration and thats what is concerning to the fbi. Then a fourth man now who is arrested over a Campaign Finance case related to giuliani associates. More on that. Thank youall. Appreciate it. The house questioning a former Top State Department aid behind closed doors today and they got more witnesses in the pipeline. Congressman harley rouda was in the room today and im going to speak with him next. They took me to the cliffs of moher, the ancestral home, the family bar. It really gives you a sense of connection to something thats bigger than yourself. New features. Greater details. Richer stories. Get your dna kit today at ancestry. Com. In the human brain, billions of nefor people with parkinsons, some neurons change their tune, causing uncontrollable tremors. Now, abbott technology can target those exact neurons. Restoring control and harmony, once thought to belost forever. The most personal technology is technology with the power to change your life. This is a critical week in the impeachment inquiry. Testimony today from the former Senior Advisor to secretary of state mike pompeo. Mckinley resigned over the removal of marie. A lot to discuss with harley rouda. Thank you for joining us. Good to be with you, don. We got to talk about the syria meeting that broke down. Trump had quote a meltdown. The president is responding calling the speaker, again, a quote here, a sick person. What is going on . I think the pressure of the impeachment inquiry is getting to the president , and he did. He had a breakdown, and i heard that the last comments were i will see you at the polls. Its a very interesting and strange statement for the president to make. Yeah. Listen, there is a picture the president put out on social media of the empty chairs where pelosi and Democratic Leaders were sitting before they walked out. Should the democrats have walked out . Based on what the president was saying to the speaker of the house, the leader of a code branch of government, absolutely. Simple as that. The House Republicans and democrats pass a resolution, rebuking the president s troop withdraw. It passed 36460 with four members voting present. Condemnation has been really quick and severe, even from the president s close allies, like Lindsey Graham. Does this syria decision weaken the president politically . I think so. Its bipartisan and so were seeing both in the house and the senate wide spread support against the actions the president has taken. And when you weave into that the letter released by the white house today that most people when they first saw that letter thought it could not possibly be true, that the president of the United States dictated, signed and sent that letter to erdogan is concern for all of us that diplomacy is being conducted in that manner. It is a very interesting letter. Listen, you reacted to todays house vote saying country over party. Will we see more of that you think, congressman . I hope so. Ive been in these hearings in that are being conducted with the impeachment inquiry. Let me tell you what we do know. We know that the president of the United States has asked a foreign leader and their government to help him get the dirt on a political rival and not just one foreign leader, two. These facts are not indispute. What we know that is flat out against the law. There are no ifs, ands and butts about that fact. These are by nature then impeach ble offenses and continue to add by not providing documents and witnesses. Here is the important part, as we dig in deeper with the hearings and testimony from the witnesses, were learning more and more about the setup and the coverup. The setup, no one should think that what is unraveling with ukraine was something that just happened with the call memorandum that was released and verified by the whistle blower. This is something thats been in the works with giuliani and associates and the president and others for quite sometime and that is the setup that we are digging through and learning more. And then were also learning more about the coverup. The coverup an attempt to stop the information as to what happened coming to the american people. You know, the republicans and the trump apologists are concerned saying this is being handled behind closed doors and secrecy and we want to be involved, this should be public. What do you say . I sat in the hearing today with 25 members of the Republican Caucus and their staffers. So to suggest they are not in the room and participating is flatout false. Second, the way this process is working is that the majority has an hour to question the witness followed by an hour by the minority, followed by 45minute blocks for each side. So there is no possibility for the republicans to honestly suggest that they are not a part of this process since they are sitting in the room okay. I get your point because were about to run out of time. I just want to ask you about you were there today while michael testified. He accused of staying silent. Quickly, what can you tell us about that, if anything . Well, i think ambassador yovanovitch, a foreign officer that did a fabulous job for the United States and pushed out for reasons based on alt right allegations with no basis. Thank you, congressman. Appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you. Getting never before seen tax documents belonging to President Trumps real estate business and at least one expert is calling whats in these documents fraud. These folks dont have time to go to the post office they use stamps. Com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. New reporting shows President Trumps business shows inconsistent numbers on expenses, profits and occupancy for properties. These made Trump Properties seem more profitable to lenders and less to officials. Lets discuss. Heather vogel is here. She broke the story, which is part of the trump collaboration. William is here, as well. The author of four friends promising lives cut short. Good to see both of you. Thank you so much for coming in this evening. Heather, first we know the president s tax information, some is most closely guarded information. Weve been knowing that for awhile. Lets talk about what you found. There are wide discrepancies provided by trumps business for his 40 wall street property, in particular with insurance . Yes, that was an item we found, major inconsistency with and what that looked like was that in the tax documents, he was reporting that property insurance cost about 745,000, but in the loan disclosures, it was reported as costing about 457,000. And what that means is when you have bigger expenses, you have lower profit so for tax officials, the profit looked lower than for loan officials. Is this fraud . You know, we cant say that. But we can say that theres a warning on your tax filing instructions that says that false filings are subject to criminal and Civil Penalties to essentially and we were told by one of our sources that she called these discrepancies versions of fraud and we also yeah, thats what i was going to say. Does the sound fraudulent to you . If it walks like a fraud and first of all, hats off to heather for extraordinary great reporting this is what journalists should be doing and she did a fabulous job. To me, it screams of fraud, don. I mean, you know, two sets of books, cooking the books, thats the oldest grift in the history. We dont know. Thats your assessment. We dont know but there are two sets of books. Reporting these different numbers to different entities would be good for trump . I mean, why i dont know. Does that help him in his business . Well, it helps him with getting loans because lenders think that his property is performing better than it otherwise would and helps lower his tax bill because with tax authorities think hes not making as much money so his appraisal will be lower. He wins both ways. He pays he pays less in taxes if heathers reporting is correct, and hes impressing lenders thinking, this is a great business. Ill lend against it. I want in. Heather, you also found that for Trump International hotel and tower, trump business did not disclose certain income. What was he withholding from tax officials . Well, what was interesting there was that we noticed that the base rent and parking income he reported was twice as big on the loan disclosures as it was on the tax disclosures. I was scratching my head about this for a long time. Finally one day it sort of sunk in. I was looking at the tax form and realizing that there was a box on the tax form for income from antennas that are rented on the roof. And i knew he had those because that was disclosed in the loan disclosures. I knew they were considered major tenants. But sure enough, that box was blank on the tax forms, and it was blank for the nine years of tax forms that we had. So we asked the city about this, and they told us that they are going to be looking into whether there was underreporting of income on this property. So do you have any idea what the real numbers are, or is everything questionable . Well, i think we dont know for sure. There could be problems with both sets of numbers. There could be problem with one in one case and the other in another case. I dont think we really know what the actual truth is. Do you remember when Michael Cohen testified and said and alluded to this . Lets watch, and then well discuss. It was my experience that mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. So that was his former attorney. You know, people have been calling him fixer. So my question is, you know, this misreporting seems to be a common factor a common practice with the trump organization. At what point does this go beyond accounting tricks and it becomes fraudulent or even possibly criminal . Don, we are at that point. You think so . Right . Michael cohen testified in front of congress. He took an oath to tell the truth. Assuming hes telling the truth in that instance, then what heather reported is exactly what Michael Cohen was talking about. If im cyrus vance, the manhattan d. A. , i am subpoenaing these records tomorrow. I want to take depositions. I want to take get these records in my office and figure out what the hecks going on here. You cant have two sets of books. If its true, its clearly fraudulent. Well, having two sets of books, you hear about that in the movies, right, when people are doing thats what Michael Cohen was talking about, and thats clearly what heather is reporting. You said the city is looking into the antenna issue because thats supposed to be income off of that. Cnn legal analyst anne milgram told you that prosecutors would have a lot of questions about what you found. Do you have any sense that this is being looked at by investigators . You know, its so early. I mean we just published the story today, and i dont know honestly. There are there have been a lot of efforts to obviously gain tax invasion from tr