That you just you put yourself on the level of that person . No, you put him above him. No. By saying the country matters more. You take the high road and say im not participating in this farce that is happening in this country right now. Im sorry, when this is all done, i will take my time and i will wait because that portrait will be there and i can do a ceremony whenever, whether it is a year or two or four years. I will wait for the next administration. Or if it never happens, i am fine. In the meantime, you guys go, enjoy, do your own thing, do your business and ill just sit here and i will be fine the way it is. He doesnt owe anyone anything. Im not saying about owing. He spent eight years there. Yeah, i got you. Taking care of his business. I know he did. Thats not the point. What does a portrait ceremony mean, chris . Means a lot. First of all, first africanamerican president. It means a lot. We got that. I know that, trust me. And its a reinforcement of what the administration meant and its a reinforcement of what the man means. Okay. Let me tell you this, chris. The people it means a lot to everybody, but for people like me who really feel how he is the first africanamerican president , we dont really want him there. And it would be a slap in the face for him to go there. And he and his wife and his family and the people it really means a whole heck of a lot to, we know that. We dont want him to go there. Do not go there. Do not put yourself in that situation. Do not lower yourself and debase yourself and go to that white house. Yes, i said it. Dont do it. And what about for those even within the Africanamerican Community who say dont let trump tell you you cant come . Why dont you call up those four people and ask them . You can call them up on your phone or call up the people who go to the white house and whatever, but you can no, no one feels that way, chris. Trust me. If this president would take the time to realize that the office is bigger than he is right. That he has people around him, people who were there before, like the former president george bush, like barack obama, like bill clinton, and on and on, who can help him in these situations, who can who he can rely on. Theres a this is a very elite club. Where he alienates himself even from this very elite club. Why would anyone want to go there and put themselves in that position to be a part of this mess . I dont want to be a part of that mess. Nobody would want to be a part, its a mess. I get not wanting to be a part of the mess. I dont understand why youre not giving any weight because it would be fake. Of because he would be faking it and he is not a fake. It depends on how you use the opportunity and what you said, but why are you completely discounting the idea of trump saying, don lemon or barack obama, forget about don lemon, you dont get to come. You dont get to come. You dont get to do it, even though youre president. Im marginalizing you. You stay away. Hes not marginalizing him. Because the former president is big enough to know that that is not trumps house, it is the peoples house. Thats why he should go. And say this is bigger than you, pal. Get out of my way. He doesnt have to go there now. He doesnt need to go there now. He does not want trust me, trust me, he does not want to go there now. I dont disagree with that. He does not. If he wanted to go there now, he would do it. Hes done a lot of things he didnt want to do because he thought they were right. He thinks the right thing to do is not go there. How do you know what he thinks so much . Youve got some secret communication with barack obama . Chris, would you want to go there . Go where youre not wanted. I would not someone to tell me where i cant go. If i were president of the United States before he, hes not telling me when i can go to the white house or not. It doesnt matter if someone tells you you cant go. If you dont want to go, it doesnt matter. Its like the same thing i want to go for all the people who put me there, who believe in Something Better than what hes doing right now. Its the same thing that happened with golden state when he told curry they couldnt come. Curry says, guess what, i didnt want to go. Not president of the United States. Great team. Great player. Not first africanamerican being told by this guy who has reawakened a lot of ugliness in this country that he cant come. Hes been there for eight years, so i think thats enough. Hes good. Trust me, hes good. He knows where everything, all the ins and outs. I understand what youre saying. It definitely doesnt disparage him. I think im getting wrapped. That must mean im winning. Im getting wrapped, too. Youre not going to win this argument because hes not going to go. Im not going to win with you. Ive never won an argument with you. I dont even get to decide where we have lunch. I understand what youre saying and i get the passion and the sense of purpose. I respect that. I understand that. I dont like how its happening. I think it sends a better and bigger message that he does not want to go and be a part of this. If it was a welcoming, open administration to a former president to someone who is who has who really worked really hard to bring people together and was told he was going to be a oneterm president , why would he want to go there . Somebody who said he wasnt born in this country. The birther thing. Absolutely insulting. Insulting. Dont want to do it. I dont have to be bothered with you. I showed you. I told you there was a pandemic plan. I told you what the biggest threat was. Told you all that stuff. I welcomed you. Gave you the keys. Told you how to deal with it. Adios. Good luck. Ill see you later. And i will see you later. I love you. I love you, too. I guess thats why people like us, we take it for granted, but its really hard to see people get along. I love you, brother. Have a great show. That is the tie truth as we used to say when i was a kid. All right. Thank you. See you later. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Here is our breaking news. With the coronavirus death toll in this country well over 91,000 with well over 1. 5 million cases the president , as he always seems to do, lashes out with distractions and disinformation, his haphazard and reckless approach to this crisis shows he is just not taking it seriously even after more than 91,000 americans have died, he is making it about himself, and there is no better example than the president s insistence on taking a drug, a drug that his own medical experts have warned against, saying it could cause serious heart problems. He is dismissing a study of patients at va hospitals that found those who take hydroxychloroquine, the drug the president is taking, had higher death rates. Ive worked with doctors and if you look at the one survey, the only bad survey, they were giving it to people that were in very bad shape. They were very old. Almost dead. It was a trump enemy statement. A trump enemy statement . In what world do you blame a study that doesnt support what you want to believe on your perceived political enemies . I guess its this world that were living in right now, making my point that i was just making to chris. And frankly, the lack of compassion for those sick people, those veterans is pretty stunning. A study that doesnt find what he thinks that it should find. It must be false. It must be his enemies behind it. The president cant seem to wrap his head around the facts, the facts about a drug that he is insisting on taking, even though it could have dangerous side effects. And that study of patients in va hospitals is not the only warning about hydroxychloroquine. A new study just last week, the largest of its kind, it shows the drug doesnt work against the coronavirus and could cause heart problems. The fda and National Institutes of health warned against it, too. But the president goes on to call the study by scientists phony. And says this. But the fact is people should want to help people, not to make political points. Its really sad when they do that. Yep, it is sad when people use a crisis like this to make political points. Instead of showing the kind of leadership americans need from their president. He insists on taking a drug with possible dangerous side effects, but he refuses to do one simple thing that millions of americans have been doing for weeks, wear a mask. The president didnt wear one when he went to capitol hill today, went to the capitol for lunch with republican senators, many of whom are in an age group that puts them at risk. In fact, hes in an age group where hes at risk. Underlying conditions as well. Obesity and on and on. And hes dodging the question of wearing one on his visit to a ford plant in michigan on thursday. One that has been making ventilators and ppe. The plant requires everyone to wear a mask. But they say theyll defer to the white house on whether the president wears one. Mr. President yeah . Do you so Ford Motor Company has previously required visitors to wear masks when they visit their facilities. Do you plan to wear one when you go there on thursday . I dont know. I havent even thought of it. It depends. I mean, you know, in certain areas i would. In certain areas i dont. But i will certainly look at it. It depends on what situation. Am i standing right next to everybody or am i spread out . And also, look, you know, is something a hospital . Is it a ward . Is it what is it exactly . Im going to a plant. So well see. Where its appropriate i would do it, certainly. Yeah . Weve never seen the president wear a mask, not once. He sure has a lot of excuses, though. Somehow sitting in the oval Office Behind that beautiful resolute desk, the Great Resolute desk, i think wearing a face mask as i greet president s, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i dont know, somehow i dont see it for myself. Do as i say, not as i do. If the president were taking this crisis seriously, if he were taking his own leadership role seriously, hed just wear a mask. Hed also take the devastation to our economy seriously as well. Hed have a plan to help 36 million unemployed americans, people who are wondering right now how theyre going to pay the rent, put food on the table. Instead, he lashes out at reporters. Why havent you announced a plan to get 36 million unemployed americans back to work . Youre overseeing historic economic despair. Whats the delay . Wheres the plan . I think weve announced a plan. Were opening up our country. Just a rude person you are. Were opening up our country. Were opening it up very fast. The plan is that each state is opening and its opening up very effectively. And when you see the numbers, i think even you will be impressed, which is pretty hard to impress you. Yeah, go ahead. A lot of these jobs thats enough from you. I could not be in that room. They would have kicked me out a long time ago. The president throwing out random blue sky predictions of an america back in business and slamming cbss paula reid for daring to ask a question, a question that he did not actually answer. And this president s lack of seriousness goes on and on, well over 1. 5 million cases of coronavirus in this country, and the president calls that a badge of honor. When we have a lot of cases, i dont look at that as a bad thing, i look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing because it means our testing is much better. So if we were testing 1 Million People instead of 14 Million People, we would have far few cases, right . So i view it as a badge of honor. Really, its a badge of honor. Hows that for logic . Wed also have fewer cases if we, i dont know, took this virus seriously from the beginning. Instead of downplaying it, saying that it would go away in warm weather, suggesting ingesting disinfectant might be a treatment, you know, in a minute, one minute, you know, injecting it. And then promoting a drug with serious side effects. In a town hall tonight, the former Vice President joe biden saying this. Its like saying maybe if you inject clorox into your blood, you know, it may cure you. Come on, man. What is he doing . What in gods name is he doing . And the things the president s say, the words of a president matter. And how how random is this . I want you to listen to the president s answer to a question of whether hed consider a ban on travel from latin america. I just want to ask you a question on brazil, who is brazil . Yes. In third position place now catching up to russia in second place for the number of cases. Are you finally considering a travel ban from brazil and latin america . We are considering it. We hope that were not going to have a problem. The governor of floridas doing very, very well testing, in particular florida, because a big majority come into florida. Brazil has gone more or less herd. You know what that is, herd. And theyre having problems. Herd. You know what that is, talking about herd immunity. Okay. So hes just not taking this seriously. Heres why. Brazil has more than 250,000 cases of coronavirus. It is the third hardest hit country after the United States and russia. And the president s campaign of distraction and disinformation goes on. Anything to distract you from his own abysmal failure to deal seriously with a pandemic that is killing more americans every single day. In just the past few days this president has fired the state Department Inspector general, the latest in a long line of i. G. Firings, he has demeaned the vaccine chief who says he lost his job over, wait for it, criticizing the use of hydroxychloroquine. He has tried to cook up a baseless Conspiracy Theory hoping to convince you that the former president barack obama had some nefarious involvement in the origins of the russia investigation. And you wonder why he doesnt want to go to the white house for a dedication ceremony for a portrait . Really . And he was at it again today. According to multiple sources, railing about russia to senators behind closed doors and launching a tirade about the cdc. But speaking of obama, new example tonight of this president s obsession with his predecessor. Cant go a single day without some kind of swipe at the former president. Tonight, again, were talking about that traditional portrait unveiling that were learning about. President obama, it is on ice, that unveiling. Sources tell cnn it may not happen at all while President Trump is in office, which i guess is not exactly a surprise, is it . An Administration Official says there has been some discussion between the white house and the obama team but no date to hang a portrait was ever officially scheduled. Like i said before. Maybe he doesnt need a portrait. Because barack obama lives rentfree in trumps head. Thats all he sees and hears is barack obama, obama, obama, obama. The president dismissing Expert Research and insisting on taking a drug that could have dangerous side effects. What message does that send to americans fearful about the virus and looking for some way to protect themselves . Thats a question for Cnns Kaitlan Collins and dr. Harvey feinberg. Bugs move in we stress out and spray. Well, we used to. New ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. 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Kaitlan, youve been doing a really great job working, i mean, around the clock. Really holding your own. Thank you, don. So proud of you standing up to the president and to the administration in a very respectful way and speaking truth to power, which is what you should do without fear or favor, so i must say that to you, okay . Im proud to be your colleague. Thank you, don. So kaitlan, listen, despite the health warnings, the president is defending his unproven preventative use of hydroxychloroquine, going as far as calling one study he doesnt like a trump enemy statement. Why is the president pushing this drug so much . Well, don, it was interesting to hear which study he went after today because you saw the va secretary distancing himself from it, saying it wasnt a va study, but it was done on va patients. They reviewed their charts and saw how they reacted to hydroxychloroquine. And the other thing is, its funded in part by the administration. The nih, the National Institutes of health, funded this in part with the university of virginia, that study, and the results came out in april. The president was saying today he didnt trust the way it was conducted. He thought the results were phony. But what they noticeably did not talk about as the president and his cabinet secretaries were backing up his decision to take hydroxychloroquine is the statement from the fda that was issued in april that says it does not believe right now that coronavirus or that hydroxychloroquine is a safe or effective way to treat or prevent coronavirus, and they cautioned people they shouldnt be using it outside of a Clinical Trial or a hospital setting, and the question, you know, that the president has also faced is not just for his own health. Thats of course between the president and his physician. But also the example it sets and whether or not its encouraging other people to try hydroxychloroquine if they have coronavirus. You know, doctor feinberg, one thing that we didnt see at todays cabinet meeting, people wearing masks, okay . You know, from a medical standpoint, the cdc says wearing a mask can slow the spread. So in a place where they have two positive cases that we know of, right . Theyve had others among the secret service and other staff members. But two positive cases at this point that just happened i believe in the last week or so. Wouldnt that be a good idea . Yes, it would, don. You know, when the white house or west wing staff had approximately two cases out of about 400 staff who were tested positive, if the study that said this test is frequently negative when patients actually have the infection, theres very likely one or more unrecognized cases somewhere in the west wing among the staff who are there, and thats consistent with the rate of infection in the city of washington, d. C. Which is about 1 per 100 persons. So yes, it would be a good idea for everyone to wear a mask. Its not just that it protects you. Thats not the main point. Your wearing a mask arrests droplets that you would emit that could infect someone else. Most importantly, though, it sets a good example. I was very impressed when the first lady had a face mask, wearing that mask after the cdc guidelines came out. That set a very good example for the nation. And the white house, if everyone wore a mask, i believe it would also set a good example. Kaitlan, i mentioned this earlier in the open to the show, but this exchange between cbs reporter paula reid and the president at todays cabinet meeting. Here it is. Mr. President , why havent you announced a plan to get 36 million unemployed americans back to work . Youre overseeing historic economic despair. Whats the delay . Wheres the plan . I think weve announced a plan. Were opening up our country. Just a rude person you are. Were opening up our country. Were opening it up very fast. The plan is that each state is opening and its opening up very effectively. And when you see the numbers, i think even you will be impressed, which is pretty hard to impress you. Yeah, go ahead, please. A lot of these jobs are not coming back. Thats enough from you. The president s reaction to a perfectly legitimate question from a woman. There is a reporter doing her job. He called her rude. You know, he has i think treated many reporters there in the same way. He did something similar to you. Not sure how many times. Is he so why is he so adverse to directly answering a question like that . Is it because it doesnt fit his narrative that his response is perfect . Based on what ive heard from multiple people ive spoken with that have spoken with the president in recent weeks, he is highly concerned about the unemployment number. And so is his Political Team as they are looking ahead to an election thats really not that far away, and they see that 36 Million People have filed for unemployment. Youre seeing the state of concern, even as states, yes, they are starting to reopen. You know, there are concerns about which jobs are not going to come back. Which people are going to get back to those jobs back to their regular basis. If youre in the service industry, things like that. And i think, don, the president is increasingly concerned about that and thats why you see him react like that to a question like that because there are such concerns about what thats going to look like. And you even heard that from the Federal Reserve chairman as he was testifying today. Talking about what the unemployment numbers are going to look like and how he said even in an interview the other day he doesnt really think that the economy is going to fully recover until there is a vaccine. 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Now thats simple, easy, awesome. A federal judge in texas ruling tonight that all voters afraid of catching the coronavirus can request absentee mailin ballots due to the pandemic. That as by tomorrow all states will be open to some extent. Even though daily case rates are still rising in some parts of the country. Joining me now is dr. Michael osterholm, the director of the center for Infectious Disease, research and policy and the author of deadliest enemy our war against killer germs. Thank you, sir. Good to see you. Look, new cases per day in the u. S. As a whole have been trending downward. But the picture is more complicated on a state by state level, doctor. 17 trending in the wrong direction. How do you see the virus playing out over the next month or so . At this point we dont know. I think that there is surely reason to believe that in a number of states we actually are on a major downward side, but i think some states, particularly some areas within states, have been somewhat delayed in getting the virus there. And i think we could see those continue to increase for some time. But i think the fear that i have is that well continue to trend downward, and some might say how can you say that . But in fact, if thats the case, this could look more like an influenzatype pandemic where we would have this first wave that would occur and then for several months have very little activity and then, of course, have a big wave, which could be a very, very real challenge for us if that were to happen. Yeah, and you are warning people against saying look, we won and being fooled by the drop in cases. You say it could be Mother Nature playing the cruelest trick of all. What do you mean by that . Well, if you look at the previous pandemics caused by influenza, which we acknowledge this is the first one caused by a coronavirus but its acting very much like an influenza virus. And if you look at those last ten pandemics over the previous 250 years, two started in the winter, two started in our spring, three in our summer, three in our fall. And in each one of those there was an initial wave that occurred that was sporadic. Some cities got hit. Some didnt. It lasted for several months. And then without any human intervention it just literally went away. They were quiet for several months. And then they came back and it was the second wave that was the big one that really caused the vast majority of deaths and severe illnesses. And again, you have to remember today in this country at best 5 to 15 of the country has been infected with this virus, maybe some spots, the new york city area, as high as 20 . For this virus to slow its transmission down it has to hit what we call herd immunity levels where theres enough previously infected people with protection that it will slow down transmission. Thats 60 to 70 . Don, when you think about how much pain, suffering and death weve had and economic disruption for 5 to 15 cases, imagine what it will take to get to 60 to 70 . And today fear that this country does not get that at all. Los angeles county Officials Say that they are aiming to reopen restaurants and retail stores, malls, and they want to do it by july 4th, but other parts of the country are on a different timeline. Does it cause confusion to have such a just a patchwork of guidelines . Well, first of all, we have to again take a step back. What were we doing to begin with in march . We did these lockdowns. We did these restriction of movements because we were trying to shave the curve down. We were worried we were going to see this big explosion of cases. Again, we still have a real challenge with this virus and we have to understand what we need to do about it, but as ive said all along, we cant go into total lockdown. We cant do a wuhanlike lockdown for 18 months hoping for a vaccine and we cant let it go willynilly letting cases happen as they do. We have to figure out how to do this in between kind of thing. So i think were going to be in situations that are going to be confusing but its going to say what can we do to limit as much transmission . The second thing we have to start doing is saying government cant protect you, it wont protect you. What youre going to have to start looking at if im a highrisk person, meaning if im older, i have Underlying Health conditions, im obese, you know what . If you go out into public spaces with lots of people, you have a chance of getting infected. Somehow we have to merge both of those what can we do as a society but what can individuals do to protect themselves . Were not having that discussion right now. We need to badly. Doctor, thank you so much. Well see you soon. Thank you. Thanks, don. The fda says there are currently 144 coronavirus therapy trials and more than 450 development programs, but my next guest says there needs to be there needs to this needs to these need to speed up. Excuse me. He is the former fda commissioner and hes got an idea of how to do it. Thats next. Ww gives me everything i need to get into a healthy routine. The app makes everything so easy it really works i am proof i lost 85 pounds we can do this ww. Join today with the ww triple play we can do this when bugs move in we stress out and spray. Well, we used to. New ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. New ortho home defense max. Bugs gone. Stress gone. Home instead has helped seniors stay home. Now, staying home isnt just staying in the place they love. Its staying safe. Home instead. 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Lots of questions for the former fda commissioner, dr. Mark mcclellan. Doctor, thank you. Good to see you again. Good to see you. Lets discuss here. So, listen, youre trying to get treatments for coronavirus to be more widely available but what are the treatments and how can we get that done . Well, don, so far there are not many that have good evidence to support them. I know you were talking about hydroxychloroquine earlier. Theres not strong evidence there. Remdesivir, a new antiviral drug by gilead, had shown very promising results in studies where people were randomized to get the drug or get an alternative standard of care treatment and it showed they did better. We need more studies like that done quickly, including on remdesivir to learn more about who exactly it benefits and how they can best take it. Then there was this possible vaccine by moderna that was Just Announced yesterday causing the stock market to go up. People were optimistic about it. Definitely need more of that. Without a vaccine, finding effective treatment treatments, you know, thats going to be everything, right . It is everything, and i think there are a lot of treatments that hold promise that we can find out about and make available if they really do work well before a vaccine like the moderna vaccine, if it does turn out to work, would be available. Many of these studies are done in people with serious covid19 complications in the hospital. And the fda has recently issued some guidance on how to do those trials quickly within a matter of a few weeks or so. We need to do more, though, to get to make those Clinical Trials more widely available, to get more hospitals to participate and to get more covid19 patients enrolled. I think a lot of people would appreciate the opportunity to find out more faster about what treatments really work. Yeah. Lets talk more about the whats going on here because the fda says there are 144 active trials of coronavirus therapeutics and more than 450 development programs. How do we speed up the process without cutting corners, doctor . We definitely dont want to cut corners, so you need to know that a treatment is safe and effective, and the best way to do that is in a randomized study where some people by a coin flip get one treatment or a set of alternative treatments and other people dont. And then you compare the results. The fda has set up a way to do those trials quickly. What we need to have happen is more hospitals using their Electronic Data Systems to do these studies in the same way. So that more people can get enrolled and we can keep the time of completing those trials to be as short as possible. Some of the socalled platform trials are being set up and the National Institutes of health is starting to run them now. Wed like to see those be much more widely available. So dr. Mcclellan, President Trump calling a Clinical Study of hydroxychloroquine in va patients phony. He is taking the drug against the fdas recommendations. Hes sidelining the cdc. What impact do these attacks have on fighting this pandemic . Well, i hope they wont slow down the need to get more evidence on the treatments that really work. There are some randomized studies under way now about hydroxychloroquine that will hopefully give us more definitive evidence. For now, though, don there is not clear evidence this treatment works and the fda has put out some very clear warnings for people with heart disease, for people with other medical conditions to avoid it because it can cause serious heart complications and other complications. You mentioned earlier in the interview, you mentioned remdesivir. Theres been a lot of talk about that as well as a synthetic antibody treatment. What looks like the most promising therapeutic to you . I think remdesivir has a lot of promise, as tony fauci and others have said. Its not a home run but it does seem to help reduce the duration of infections and maybe the severity. So hopefully well be able to build on that study. Thats the way medical progress happens. It happened with aids, it happened with hepatitis c, find one drug that works kind of okay and then you build on that to find others that work better. One other thing, though, don that i want to emphasize is this is a big pandemic affecting millions of people. So its not just a matter of doing the clinical studies quickly but making sure we can manufacture these treatments so that theyll be widely available as soon as we know whether they work or not. And i think theres more work to do there. Remdesivir is starting to become more widely available, but we really need to ramp up manufacturing there, too. Youre part of a group of a Bipartisan Health policy experts putting out recommendations for opening safely. What can you tell us about that . Especially as some states are reopening, despite not meeting the white houses own guidelines. Yeah, there are some states going ahead. Youve talked about it. The feeling of economic pressure driving some of that. For these states i think there are some steps that they can take to make sure that theyre detecting problems earlier. You just talked about that with dr. Osterholm. There are ways that we can track trends in hospitalizations and this group is coming together to make some recommendations on how to do that better. How we can open safely. And well have more to say about that, don, i think, tomorrow. Thank you, doctor. I appreciate your time. Great to be here. The weather is getting warmer and people are looking forward to their summer plans, but is it safe to swim at the neighborhood pool . What about the beach . Im going to ask a doctor next. They line up by the thousands. Each one suffering with a story that breaks your heart. 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The 1 choice of online sellers. Go to shipstation. Com tv and get 2 months free. As of tomorrow all 50 states will be in the process of partially reopening, lifting measures to curb the spread of the virus. Just in time for the beginning of summer. 17 states are seeing a rise in new cases. So whats safe this summer and what isnt . I bring in now the professor of medicine at Warren Medical school at brown university. Thank you. Pleasure to have you on. Youre a fellow with the Infectious Disease society of america. They say a play book doesnt exist when it comes to how the United States should handle summer activity. Lets do a Risk Assessment on the big ones. Swimming. At neighborhood and public pools. Is that safe . Its safe if done properly. Its important to get out and exercise. Theres a number of strategies. Making it clear nobody comes to the pool if they have any illness that might be suggestive of covid19. There might be a screening form. I would suggest not using a locker room. Limiting the number of people coming in at one time. Doing a screening. Maintaining social distancing and until someone gets into the pool doing what the guests have talked about. Source control. Wearing a mask over a face. Getting into the pool, maintaining the distance. Someone might be swimming laps for example. And cough somewhere. At the end of swimming a lap. And you want to maintain distance. The greatest risk when were not doing source control. If people are swimming without a mask and cough and that could transmit the virus even if somebody is presymptomatic. Limiting the number of people in the pool at any one time. Spacing them out. And cleaning high touch surfaces that people may use say to go into a restroom or and limiting space that someone may use out of the pool. To dry off maintaining social distancing there as well. Im not fearful of the virus surviving in the pool water. I have read articles specific to sars. The cause of the covid19. Thats what i want to ask specifically. About the chlorine and chemicals in the pool. There are chlorine and salt pools. Or something exactly. Theres pools that use uv light. The water goes through. Dilution is part of the solution for the infections. Be it in the air or outside or in a large body of water. Like a Swimming Pool or the ocean. Im not that concerned about someone getting water in their mouth. What about people standing around the pool. And you said people touch the edges and stand around and talk in the pool. Theyll have to good point. They have to talk to each other at a distance. At least six feet. Their mouths not covered. If everybody swam with lets say divers mask over their face, over their mouth. And their nose. That would limit tran mission risk. But people wont generally do that. What about beach and oceans, lake fronts. Whats the risk . I remember there was a study in the l. A. Times about beaches and run off and all of that. So, what about that . Yeah, i think still the concern i surf. I think about sewage run off. I think the greater risk is again people congregating together. Theyre not maintaining social distancing. Partying at the beach. Letting their guard down. I dont think theres transmission from the ocean water. Generally beaches are away from sewage run off. That risk is hypothetical in general. Its low. It comes back to people being together on the beach. Without maintaining social distancing. Going to a refreshment stand or standing in line. Close together without a mask. That would lead to risk. I got you. In colorado the Boulder CountyPublic Health shared this video. I want you to look at how packed together everyone is. Wow. Look at that. Local health Officials Say social distancing rules still apply. When you see pictures like that, are those rules even enforceable . Well, its concerning. University of colorado boulder graduate many years ago. Thats the problem. As we open up, and people dont follow the rules, you have congregation in a small space of a large number of people. Theres going to be transmission events and we can only hope we have the Public Health infrastructure to do the contact tracing, quarantine and tracking down transmission thats likely to occur. When people are breaking the rules and gathering in a confined space in close proximity. Thank you, very informative. I appreciate your time. Great pleasure. Careful out there swimming. Over 91,000 deaths from virus in the u. S. As all 50 states are just hours away from at least partially reopening. State with us for the latest. When bugs move in we stress out and spray. Well, we used to. New ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier kills and prevents bugs for up to a year without odors, stains or fuss. New ortho home defense max. Bugs gone. Stress gone. In honor of my dad, who was alzheimers. 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