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They do that paubecause of the pandemic knowing millions of americans plan to mail in their ballots this year and since it will take time to count all those ballots there is a very good chance we wont know the winner of the election on Election Night. Well take a look at what may happen here in this hour ahead for you. Make sure you stay tuned. Joining me now cnn White House Correspondent john harwood and mrs. The senior political reporter for politico florida. Good evening to both of you gentlemen. So happy to have you on. Hope you had a great labor day weekend. John, lets start with you. We have seen clashes between Trump Supporters and protesters recently and tonight as the campaign really kicks off now heres what the president is saying. Watch those ballots. I dont like it. You know you have a democrat governor, all these democrats watching that stuff. I dont like it. Watch it. Be poll watchers when you go there. Watch all the thieving and stealing and robbing they do. This is important. We win North Carolina we win so this is not really hard to see how this could get volatile here and create an atmosphere of intimidation at a time there is already a ton of concern about voter suppression. What do you think, john . I agree with you, don. Look, you can hear in the president s tone of voice that he was acting. That was performance schtick he was doing for the crowd. But all of that schtick has gotten increasingly raw both in terms of protests in the cities talking about anarchists and people who are going to, you know, threaten your physical safety, talking about suburbs getting demolished, talking about thieving and robbing at polling places. You could see just as he has encouraged that sort of vigilante activity in the streets that we saw acrocost th lives of two people in kenosha and one of the vigilantes and later the person who shot him in oregon, you could see that kind of disorder occurring on election day. And together with the president s suggestion that people who have already sent in absentee ballots going to their polling places to see if their ballots have been cast and of course in some cases the ballots would not have been recorded because they may not have been received and marked in the poll book when people show up you could see him setting the stage for real chaos at polling places consistent with his statements that, well, it is going to be a rigged election and that is the only way i can lose trying to cast doubt over the legitimacy of the electoral process and also perhaps the administration of the electoral process. Mark, lets bring you in. Ill put up this new poll out today showing trump and biden tied in the battleground state of florida. You say this race is much close thaern people think. What do you hear from florida voters . Well, probably hearing what your poll or the marist poll you are featuring is showing. It depends on who you talk to. This kind of state where you can go say into southwest florida which is blood red republican country and you would ever wonder why joe biden would have a chance but then you could wind up in Broward County and wonder how on earth it could be that President Trump would get any votes in florida. Were pretty evenly divided, certainly on this question, for sometime, biden has been leading marginally, that is within the margin of error on the polls but they appear to be tightening up, they feel to be tightening up. Florida is one of those states that you kind of flip a coin and it can wind up on its edge. That is usually how close our elections come. 2018 we had two top of the ticket races. Actually three top of the ticket races that were decided by half a point or less. Id be really surprised if anyone either biden or trump won by two points or more here. My goodness. Lets talk more about this poll. It shows trump leading among latino voters in florida with 50 support. Biden has 46 . But in 2016 in the exit polls it showed that Hillary Clinton had 62 support of latino voters in florida. How worried should the Biden Campaign be about this . Well, they shouldnt be that worried about that poll when it comes to latino voters. Understand about 17 of the registered voters in the state are hispanic. About 15 of the actual votes probably going to be cast by people who classify themselves as hispanic. That poll there has fewer than 150, 180 latino respondents. The margin of error is all over the place. A pretty big sample size poll out last week showed joe biden up by about 17 points. That is pretty good. It sounds pretty good. Its probably not good enough if he wants to win the state and it is still worse than Hillary Clinton did. That having been said, while joe biden appears to be under performing with hispanic voters relative to Hillary Clinton he is over performing with Nonhispanic White voters that is still the super majority in the state. For every hispanic vote he loses, quoteunquote, and joe biden picks up with white voters, he is making up a net of about four votes so that is a pretty good deal so far. I would urge everyone to understand these are polls. Theyre snapshots in time. They have margins of error. The smartest and dumbest things said in politics is its all about turnout and well see what happens on election day. It could be so close it might take a few extra hours or days to declare the winner but florida will have probably at least 75 of the vote in before election day both cast by absentee ballots in the mail or inperson early votes. Well probably have a pretty good idea who the leader is but it could be so close people have to be a little patient and we in the news media have to be cautious about declaring who the winner is on Election Night. People are going no its everybody watching the show who is they dont want that to happen. Mark, we thank you. John, well see you soon. Thanks so much. I want to get to general wesley clark the former nato allied commander. Thank you so much for joining us this evening. President trump is claiming that he rebuilt the u. S. Military at his rally tonight. Claiming that he rebuilt the military. It is one of his go to campaign lines but very different from what we heard from him just yesterday. Watch this. Im not saying the military is in love with me. The soldiers are. The top people in the pentagon probably arent because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those Wonderful Companies that make the bombs and the planes and make Everything Else stay happy. Thats got to be galling to leaders who have dedicated their lives to protecting this country. Why is he saying that . Well, he is saying it as, just to attack an elite that he considers he is trying to reach beyond the commanders and get to the level of the soldiers and the junior leaders i guess. Its also part of the incoherence that comes out of Donald Trumps mouth. Maybe he thinks if he were a general what hed be worried about is how to make money as a general. He doesnt understand the first thing about the ethics of the United States armed forces. The ethics of the armed forces are about accepting responsibility, being competent, caring for others. He doesnt do any of that as a leader and i will tell you that hes making a big mistake saying that he rebuilt the armed forces, because they were there before he was elected and the people who were in it are highly offended and im not talking about top brass. Im talking about people in the middle. People near the bottom who came in under obama. They worked. They went to war. They suffered. Donald trump didnt change that. The pentagon always is looking to have more money for research and development and so forth. Because we are now reordering against china and russia but he didnt transform the military and they are deeply offended that he says that. I will tell you that some of the middle range officers see him for what he is. They know he doesnt represent their values. He is the antithesis of everything they stand for. Rather than duty, honor, country they say he stands for lie, brag, and blame. Wow. Thats his methodology. Hes got it exactly wrong. Hes treated with respect by the senior generals around whom he works and who give him policy proposals. They may not like it but further down i think hes really lost the respect of the men and women in uniform. Lets talk about this a bit more, because the president , general, he can claim the reporting first detail in the atlantic is fake. He can do that all he wants, but the tape doesnt lie. Listen to candidate trump talking about military leaders announcing their intention to attack isis. Whatever happened to the element of surprise . The element of surprise. What a group of losers we have. We have a bunch of babies running our country, folks. We have a bunch of losers. Theyre losers. Theyre babies. And so, you know, when you hear that and you hear the president say ive never called anybody a loser. I havent done that and then he is doing it on tape, clearly criticizing leadership then. Didnt stick, right, in 2016. But this time he called those killed action losers and suckers. The people who were killed action. Will this time be different . Well, i dont know. I think that in 2016 he still had a certain aura he brought in from tv. I think now he owns it. You know when youre a Company Commander in the United States army, you get a couple weeks, maybe 30 days, and then everything in that unit belongs to you. When youre the president of the United States if theyre looking at you and four years later youre still blaming your predecessor, uhhuh. Its your problem. They know he treats people this way. They know he says these things. People in the middle, this has gone through the armed forces. The Jeff Goldberg story, that came out because it was widely talked about by many people in the armed forces that he had insulted those who had served and suffered and died. You were aware before the reporting . Yes. This is something thats been going through the ranks im told and people have this is what happens when a man has the characteristics of the entertainer that donald trump has and he shoots off his mouth and says a million things and says things in public and in private. Look, if youre president of the United States you owe the deepest respect and gratitude for these men and women in uniform. Theyre putting their lives on the line and theyre trusting and their families are trusting you to make those decisions. And that is the way its been since we fought the revolutionary war. Its been tough. Some of the decisions that are made arent good. It is a sacred duty of the president to respect these people and their sacrifices and he hasnt done it and they know it. Its going to get worse and he is going to lose more and more respect as this Election Campaign continues. Thats his big concern, and it was just mind boggling to me to hear him say, only an animal would Say Something like that, and then someone plays a tape of him saying the exact same sort of thing in the next breath. Unbelievable. General as always thank you for your service and for appearing. Thanks. Millions of students across the country going back to school today but a whole lot of them will only be learning online. Coronavirus and administrations handling of the crisis will be a huge issue this fall. Where america stands on that as the Campaign Heats up. Thats next. Why . ahhhh incoming ahhhahh im saved water tastes like, water. So we fixed it. Mio and ask your doctor about biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in certain adults. Its not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to and stay undetectable. 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As difficult as that was in this year when so much work has gone into preparing for the first day of school. Reporter tens of thousands of confirmed cases now at colleges. West Virginia University just suspended nearly all inperson teaching at one campus for two weeks. Friday night a covid positive frat member told to isolate went to a party anyway. Nationally case counts are still headed in the right direction. For now. But we are beginning to do things we havent done since the start of the pandemic. Reporter like opening some schools and colleges and moving indoors in colder weather. In new york, sheriffs deputies will now stop buses arriving from a staggering 33 states and territories. They will be pulling over buses before they arrive and theyll be giving out those Traveler Health forms to get people right away to sign up so we can make sure they quarantine. Reporter 11 states are right now seeing a rise in average case counts. Arizona and florida, Success Stories of the late summer ticking up again. We need to hang in there together. This will end. And it will end even sooner if we continue to go by the Public Health measures that have been recommended time and again for so many months. Reporter a new study of cell phone data suggests people staying home in the spring did slow the spread of the virus. They saved lives. But the president thinks shutdowns are ridiculous, claims democrats are using them just to hurt him. Weve got to regain the trust of the community. Reporter so the ceos of Nine Pharma Companies racing to produce a vaccine just signed a pledge that they wont submit too soon for approval, suggesting they wont bow to any political pressure. They hope to help ensure Public Confidence in the rigorous, scientific, and regulatory process. It is an unprecedented moment, an historic pledge. We saw it was critical to come out and reiterate our commitment that we will develop our products, our vaccines using the highest ethical standards. Reporter nick watt, cnn, los angeles. Thank you very much, nick watt. I want to bring in the director of the Global Health program at the council of foreign relations. Also the author of the plagues and paradox of progress. Good to have you here. Lets start with this new development with astrazeneca pausing its vaccine trials after a British Volunteer got sick. What does this mean for this vaccine and others Going Forward . Well, for this particular vaccine we dont know. It means delay for certain. There will be an investigation to identify whether this severe, adverse event was related to the vaccine or just something that happens when you have 30,000 people youre watching. So that will be delayed. What it does suggest is the risks that are inherent to Vaccine Development and the importance of conducting these trials to their conclusion. The president is pushing the timeline for a vaccine again tonight. Lets listen to this. Were producing a vaccine in record time. This is a vaccine that well have very soon, very, very soon. By the end of the year but much sooner than that, perhaps. But this was just this afternoon. This is dr. Anthony fauci, what he said about a vaccine before election day. Watch this. I think thats unlikely. I mean, the only way you can see that scenario come true is that there are so many infections in the Clinical Trial sites that you get an efficacy answer sooner than you would have projected. Like i said, it is not impossible, but it is unlikely that well have a definitive answer at that time. More likely by the end of the year. So, tom, the question is, what does this do to the confidence in the vaccine when you hear the president pushing for it and the cautions, you know, the cautious warnings from his own advisers . So the president s pushing isnt helping. To be a success, a vaccine needs to be proven safe and effective. It also needs to be trusted. Its possible as dr. Fauci said that with the pfizer Moderna Vaccine the Clinical Trial recruitment has gone fast enough that it is possible that they could demonstrate enough evidence if theyre really highly effective and there are a lot of infections among the trial subjects that they could have enough to overcome the hurdle for an emergency use authorization from the fda. However, the question is, will the public trust it . Particularly after we have had bad results with convelescent plasma, with the authorization of that, and hydroxychloroquine. So what you saw today from the nine pharmaceutical companies putting out a statement was trying to reassure the public that they get it. That public trust, that theyre willing to earn the public trust through the development of this trial. Pfizers ceo actually went further later in the day where they said they will not seek authorization prior to the conclusion of the phase 3 Clinical Trial. I just wish the president would express similar caution. Tom, always a pleasure. Thank you sir. My pleasure. Fear and division. Well go inside the president s playbook in his attempts to stay in office plus how the Justice Department could be skewing norms to protect the president again. No sweat try it and love it or get your money back. The game doesnt end after a spectacular touchdown grab because theres always another team looking to punch one in. With nfl redzone from nfl network on xfinity, you get every touchdown from every game on sunday afternoons. All season long. Watch every breakout star, every heart pounding running attack and every bigtime defensive stop. Sundays were made for football on xfinity. Thats simple, easy, awesome. Add the more sports and entertainment package for nfl redzone. Click, call or visit a store today to learn more. The president playing hard to his base as the election draws closer trying to stoke fears about violence in americas streets and falsely claiming democrats would destroy the suburbs. They want to destroy your suburbs. You know, the rule, the regulation that i just they want to build low income projects in the suburbs. Theyve been doing it. If the left gains power they will demolish the suburbs. The suburbs are next. If you elected this guy the suburbs would be overwhelmed with violence and crime. If they win, the mobs win. Joining me now to discuss, cnns political analyst and political commentators. Okay. Anyway. Ill let you guys discuss this. Hi. How are you . Its just so ridiculous. He is pretending now that he isnt president and i whatever. So talking about low income housing, violence and crime coming to the suburbs. It is not even a dog whistle but a bull horn. Is this going to win back suburban voters . There is not a lot of nuance in this argument from the president. He is essentially saying poor people means crime and that your suburbs are going to be destroyed essentially trying to equate the idea of poor people and for the president thats code for minorities coming into the lilly white suburbs and destroying these bedroom communities. Obviously it is not quite like that in reality but that is the argument that hes making. It is a very purely political argument and has not worked for him in the past. The reason he is being so blatant about trying to win back the suburbs is because hes seen whats happened since 2016 and 2018, the suburbs were the strongest sort of pushback against his presidency as republicans and moderates and suburbs went against his campaigning. They essentially sided with democrats. They ousted a bunch of House Republicans and put in new democrats in gubernatorial seats all across the country and the president sees that. He sees the writing on the wall. Now he is trying to scare the suburban voters into coming back to his camp. There are not a lot of indication that its working but he is not slowing down on his efforts to scare suburban voters back into his camp. Amanda, i think it is interesting because ive had very similar thoughts. That this was you say this is a caravan 2. 0 right . Remember the caravan coming across the border in 2018, this is the 2020 version of that. Yeah. In 2018 he wanted suburban voters to be afraid of Illegal Immigrants coming over in a caravan and his messaging was very direct. The democrats are going to let ms13 into the suburbs. Theyre going to go after your children, etcetera. A lot of republicans followed that messaging including in virginia where democrats had big wins and took over the state. He saw it didnt work. Donald trump doesnt really have any new tricks. He is just swapping racist tendencies toward hispanics toward racist tendencies toward blacks right . It is not the hispanic caravan you have to be afraid of this time. It is the black mob coming to your house and now the mccluskeys in st. Louis are heroes for waving guns at those people right . It is the same playbook. It didnt work for trump in 2018. The democrats flipped the house. They took 41 republican seats with the biggest voting margin win i think since watergate. And so theyre just swapping out Different Things to be afraid of. This will be a fear election. I have no doubt. The ultimate decision will be who are voters more afraid of . Joe biden or donald trump . I think the polling is showing us who they fear and who they would think to replace him with. All right. So the president also went after senator Kamala Harris at his rally tonight. Listen. You know what . People dont like her. Nobody likes her. She could never be the first woman president. She could never be. That would be an insult to our country. Again, he is denigrating a woman. This time a black woman. As an insult to the country . What does that mean . You know, this is what donald trump does. He otherizes everyone in order to gin up this us vs. Them. He does it all the time. We see that he is using a modern day southern strategy i would say. This is straight out of the playbook of the 60s where Richard Nixon ran on the idea of law and order because of the riots that were going on in the 60s in various cities and that helped propel nixon into office. So donald trump, remember, is surrounded by people who were part of that nixon era, like roger stone, and not anymore but roger was part of that so he saw what that did and how it worked then. I just dont i wonder whether that 5 to 7 of people who are undecided are looking at Donald Trumps america and saying that this is what they want. This is either a change election or do you want it to stay the same . And the right track wrong track we see right now shows that people think that 70 of americans think this country is on the wrong track. That is never a good thing. Donald trump using racist issues and Cultural Division is a very narrow path to reelection. But what does concern me, where it could work is where you continue to see the looting and rioting in certain places like portland and others of people who may be agitators but it doesnt matter because perception is reality. If people continue to see this is out of control it could work for trump. They have to stop these violent looting and rioting rallying in places like this because all it is doing is fueling trumps campaign. Hed have nothing if it werent for that. The president has been using his twitter feed to boost images of violence across the country saying that biden would mean more violence. He is acting like he is not the one in office right now and it is not like americans can forget whos been president for the last three and a half years or more. We keep hearing this from the president and his campaign. You will not be safe in joe bidens america. Obviously the Biden Campaign has hit back and said this is Donald Trumps america. Everything thats happening whether the president and his allies say this is happening only in democrats cities this is happening under the president s watch so it is a hard argument to make saying this is all about joe bidens america. It is sort of about otherizing the opponent calling Kamala Harris incompetent saying she would be an insult to the country. Sort of this idea Kamala Harris, someone who was elected statewide multiple times in california, from the largest state, the fact she is not competent enough to be president , this argument of sort of us vs. Them. Democrat cities vs. The rest of the country. The president trying to draw a clear line and divide the country to try to slice up the votes he thinks he will need to get to 270 electoral votes. It is a very sort of cynical strategy. He seems to think it worked in 2016 and is trying to run the playbook again but the electorate has changed significantly. It will be interesting to see if the president can do the same thing in 202 when we are facing so many different challenges than in 2016. Thank you. If we had more buyin from the American Public i might have again got to spend taras wedding anniversary with her again this year. But we couldnt. So happy anniversary. Sorry i didnt get to see you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thats okay. It was a tradition for a moment and then, you know. Covid. It was. Thank you. Yeah. 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If youre a federal official and you get sued for something you did on the job, for example if the president got sued because he issued an executive order or signed a law then the Justice Department properly represents you. But if it relates to something you did in your personal capacity, a car accident, a contract dispute, then the Justice Department has no business. Look whats happening here. The president got accused of rape. He called the accuser a liar. Now he is getting sued for defamation. Bill barr and donald trump say just another day at the office of the presidency. I mean, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln must be spinning in their graves. Have you ever seen the Justice Department get involved in such matters, a president s personal affairs or personal Legal Affairs or personal Business Affairs . No. This is a new low. Every time you think bill barr has gone as far as he can possibly go to turn doj into the president s own private law firm to politicize doj he goes a little lower. By the way, added bonus here. Guess who is picking up the tab for this one. Don lemon and everyone else who pays their taxes. Doj is picking up this representation and we are all paying for it. Wow. So its free, i dont know. Hes getting free advice or free legal i guess legal work from the taxpayers, right . Yeah. Free to him not free to the taxpayers. Sure. This is the opposite of what the Justice Department is supposed to do. The Justice Department is supposed to be dispassionate, nonpolitical, and independent. I dont know how much clearer it could possibly be. What bill barr is all about. What he has turned the Justice Department into and how he has really debased the Justice Department to just do whatever is necessary to get the president s back no matter how outrageous. The term i was searching for then would be legal welfare is what the president is on. People complain about what they call welfare. The president is getting legal welfare right now. Yes. So we watched the attorney general distort the facts and the law regarding the mueller report, ukraine, the firing of Jeffrey Berman u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york, and mailin ballot fraud. Is that happening here . What is going on . Yeah, don. This is part of a pattern, nothing new for william barr. This is what he has done through his entire tenure. This guy has no bottom. He will twist the facts. He will twist the law. He will make up garbage like this. Whatever it takes to defend the president. It is no different than the way, like you said, he spun the mueller report. He tried to squash the ukraine whistleblower complaint. He jumped into the flynn and stone cases and tried to fire my old boss sdny. I want people to understand, william barr is devin not just in degree but in kind from any a. G. Who came before him. I served under three republican a. G. S, one appointed, none came anywhere near William Barrs corruption and abuse of power. This was released, trump effort to evade responsibility for his private misconduct is without precedent and shows even more starkly how far he is willing to go to prevent the truth from coming out. Is there any precedent for this . No. If you look at bill clinton vs. Paula jones, probably the closest factual scenario, a civil suit, doj did not handle bill clintons personal representation. They filed briefs but bill clinton had his own lawyers and paid for his own lawyers. I think the attorney for jean carroll is right. It tells you something when one party here, e. Jean carroll, is desperate to get a dna sample and the other party is desperate to avoid giving a dna sample. Those arguments tell you something about who is situated where in this case. And once again as you said loudly for the people in the back, taxpayers picking up the tab to defend the president in this suit. Its on you. Its on me. None of this is normal. None of this is acceptable. Thank you. Good to see you. Appreciate it. Thanks. You too. Election experts warning a clear winner on Election Night isnt likely and considering the president s attacks on mailin voting what comes after that could get ugly. To reconnect and be together. And once we did that, we realized his greatest adventure is just beginning. avo male welcome to the most adventurous outback ever. The allnew 2020 Subaru Outback. Go where love takes you. avo female get 0 apr financing for 63 months on the 2020 Subaru Outback and other select models. All of your favorite flavors are on doordash. And now were welcoming kfc to the family. Thats some tender goodness. Kfc is now on doordash for pickup and delivery. 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So, let them send it in and let them go vote. And if their systems as good as they say it is, then obviously, they wont be able to vote. That prompted strong resistance from even republican election officials. Dont test our boards of elections. Theyre good at this. Go ahead, and submit your ballot once. Reporter on monday, trump, once again, railed on mailin ballots. Sending 80 million ballots all over the country, 80 million ballots, not requested. Trump is referring to the nine states, plus washington, d. C. , that will soon be mailing out ballots to every registered voter. A change, this year, in some places, in response to the pandemic. The president is undermining ma mailin ballot voting in states where it could hurt him, and encouraging it in states where it could help him. Earlier this year, he admitted why. The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that, if you ever greagr to it, youd never have a republican elected in this country again. Reporter while the president and his allies claim, without evidence, will lead to widespread voter fraud. There is evidence of widespread rejection of mailin ballots because of human error. And this years primary, more than half a million ballots were reportedly thrown out for simple mistakes, such as signatures not matching the states records. A missing signature, envelope problems, and ballots arriving after the deadline. You have to go through a process to verify that the ballot is legitimate. And of course, you know, human beings, being human, sometimes, make mistakes. Reporter election experts say one likely scenario is what is known as the blue shift. With trump ahead, winning on Election Night in the rural states, where he has more supporters. And biden pulling in front, winning after Election Night, through mailin ballots. Counting of those ballots dont begin in key battleground states of michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania, until election day. Barack obama. 47 years old. Donald trump wins the presidency. Meaning a declared winner on Election Night is highly unlikely. In some swing states, trump is plus 40 among voters who plan on voting on election day, and whose votes will be counted Election Night. And minus 60 among voters who are planning on voting absentee or by mail. The transition integrity center, who has played out these scenarios in Mock Elections say if the election count is close, every scenario it has gamed out shows a crisis and street violence will ensue. You have two totally different narratives being promoted by different media ecosystems. And people are living with really different factual understandings of what took place on election day. And, don, even though the election is november 3rd, voters in North Carolina can already send in their votes through mailin ballots. And early voting starts soon, including in the battleground state of pennsylvania. Now, election experts say you should plan to vote just like you would plan to go to the Grocery Store during the pandemic. And they say, if you are voting by mail, to read the instructions carefully, to make sure your ballot counts. Don. All right. Pamela brown. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. The president s former lawyer warning hell do anything to win. Make sure you tune in for more from michael cohen, right here, on this show, at 10 00 p. M. And thank you for watching, everyone. Our coverage continues. For the past 25 years, masimo has been monitoring patients in hospitals around the world so that doctors and nurses can make sure you feel safe. As new challenges have arisen, weve grown to bring that same safety and support to the place that you want to be most. Together. Masimo. Together in hospital. Together at home. To save you up to 60 . These are all great. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. And good evening. Hope you had a good holiday. Even in the best of times, the tuesday after labor day is supposed to be when we all get a bit more serious. Summer unofficially ends. Were back in school. President ial campaigns ramp up. We remember 9 11 and the sacrifices that americans volunteered to make, to keep us all safe. This tuesday, in whats certainly not the best of times, those themes have taken on that much more weight. And, to a large extent, are converging tonight. The president is campaigning in North Carolina. A state thats already started mailin voting and is expecting possibly hundreds of thousands to take advantage of it. Precisely, because of the coronavirus. But looking at the president s rally, tonight, you wouldnt know that. It is, as you can see, a potential virus superspreader event. He is, also, back to belittling people for wearing masks. In addition, to the president who sidelined dr. Anthony fauci and other experts is reportedly now enamored with a new task force member. Someone with no training in the field, protecting the most Vulnerable People and otherwise letting the virus spread. And spread, it has. The projection that more than 400,000 lives will be lost by the end of the year, according to one