relief for middle income and most other americans. it will totally simplify the tax code. will grow the american economy and all of this will add up to a point where we're not going to be increasing our debt. if anything, if it really kicks in like i think it might, we'll start reducing our debt and reducing it bigly, which i want to do. and, again, it's -- i know the people i'm running against and i know democrats and republicans. they can't do this, folks. i'm really good at it. who's better at debt than i am? who's better? is there anybody? i've had borrowing so big and i worked it out perfectly. that's what you need. you need somebody with whatever the hell that is, whatever that craziness is. you need that. you need that. you can't just be a politician, all talk, no action. they talk. they wouldn't know what to do with china. carl icahn, a great entrepreneur. he came out yesterday. he said trump is the only one that knows what he's talking about. and he's great. and i'll get him involved. i'll say, carl, you handle china. and you know what i'll do, just walk away. don't worry. we'll do very well. we'll do very well. we're going to come out great. we're not going to have a $400 billion deficit. that will go away very rapidly. and we'll get along. china doesn't even like us. you know, these countries, they rip us off. they don't even like us. with me, i'll stop the rip-off and they'll like it. hard to believe it but it will happen. so in the plan, we're going to cut the individual rates from -- and this is very important. number one, we're cutting down from seven brackets to four and the rates are going from 25 to 20 to 10 and to zero. when somebody is not making enough to live, what's the purpose of them doing lengthy returns, going to get help from h & r block who we intend to put out of business because it's so ridiculous. so ridiculous. in order to pay -- i mean, these people need help. they are not doing well. so what's the purpose? plus, the bookkeeping is a tremendous percentage and some are not paying now anyway but they have to go through this process. it's brutal. but we have to sim supply fi. think about it. 25%, 20% and 10% and it's a major reduction. some people say it's too big of a reduction. some of the great geniuses that haven't made a dollar in their life. not a dollar. they haven't created one job. well, i think it's too much. the only dollar they get is from their mouth. then, if you're single and earn less than 25,000 or married and jointly earn less than 50,000, will you not pay any income tax. okay? you won't. that's the way it is. what's the purpose? what is the purpose? and we eliminate the marriage penalty, which is a killer for so many people. what's the purpose of that? and by the way, everyone agrees they can't get it done. we eliminate the amt, which is the alternative minimum tax. we eliminate it. we end the death tax. it's a double taxation. it's a double taxation. and you have a store, you have a little building. you leave it to your kids. your kids get a tax bill and have to pay 35 and even 50% in state taxes. now they mortgage up the business. the bank ends up taking it over because they have to pay the estate taxes and you've been paying taxes all the while. it's double-taxation and has to end. so many businesses have been destroyed by the death tax or estate tax, as people like to call it. but so many businesses. so it's very important. our plan reduces and/or totally eliminates most of the deductions available to special interests who, by the way, are supporting bush and rubio and most of them -- and hillary, big league hillary, big legal bush. bush is going to spend $100 million on ads. that money comes from friends of mine. they are friends. some are enemies. some i don't like. actually, many i don't like. but when you see an ad, every time you see an ad from rubio or bush or hillary, remember, that money is coming from special interests and lobbyists. and when they want something done in a year from now, two years from now, if they ever get in -- >> this is donald trump live at a campaign rally in new hampshire. now, jeb bush is holding a dueling town hall 50 miles to the east of donald trump. donald trump has take answer couple stabs at jeb bush. our reporter sara muir rmurray s in the room with donald trump. we expect him to take questions which is significant because this is the first time he's had a town hall in new hampshire since he was asked a very hateful question about muslims which he chose not to challenge. he's expected to take questions. we'll bring that to you live. in the meantime, as these two town halls are going on, i want to go now to our panel of guests, katrina peterson, republican strategist and former rnc communication strategist doug high and s.e. cupp. good to have all of you with us. >> thank you. >> doug, he came out swinging talking about polls. that's the donald trump we all know. right, live speech, he comes out with the polls. today he had the ammunition. suffolk university, he's solidly in the lead, up six points since july. at the same time, you see jeb bush falling. this is a significant lead in his poll. are you surprised? >> i'm not surprised. this is the candidate that we've been talking about the most and even for weeks now. we've also seen other polls that have seen him possibly plateau where ben carson is rising, carly fiorina is rising. trump is always going to say he's number one when he's in a comfortable position but be careful when you're looking behind you. somebody may be gaining on you. >> and there are gains, of course, carly fiorina and ben carson gaining. s.e., one person not getting is jeb bush. these two town halls are going on live as we're covering them. here's what donald trump actually said about jeb bush's town hall. >> they are expecting 125 people. we have 3,564 people. we have closed circuit. it's amazing. and it's always like this. >> i mean, s.e., look, this is the donald trump we know, bragging about the size of his crowd versus jeb bush's crowd. but jeb bush has had a lot of trouble here, at least in this latest poll. do you buy into what this poll says about donald trump so solidly on top? >> no. i think doug is right, that he's probably plateauing at this point. donald trump has proved a lot of prognosticators and pugnts wrong and after the debate and rally where he took the question about muslim americans, i think he suffered a bit and people are seeing the trump show exposed as maybe not as serious and substantive as some people thought it was going to be, in addition to entertaining. and so, you know, i've talked to jeb personally and what he says is he's in it for the long haul and, you know, the one criticism i'd have for jeb is he's very dismissive of the power of trump's campaign. he's said before, this isn't going to last. who wants an entertainer? a president has to be a leader. and i think the message for jeb is, you can be a serious substantive person but also be car r charismatic and appealing and even entertaining when the time calls for it. so i would hope that jeb could take a little bit of everything from all of the candidates who have really winning attributes on the gop side. >> bill clinton was not dismissive to me last night at all. bill clinton still smiled and said, well, he's wrong but he's really good at what he does and he could be the nominee. katrina, the same poll that puts donald trump on top today asked voters to give one word that described donald trump. this is the front-runner. here were the words. some variation of one of the following, idiot, jerk, stupid or dumb. those are words donald trump uses to describe people at times but they are not words that we would usually associate with a front-runner for the white house. >> well, not usually. but now you have a front-runner for the white house that does not come from what a lot of the establishment folks believe. of course they are calling them names because their candidates like jeb bush are tanking in the polls and these polls show a number of things, one of which being the outsiders are going to be on top. it's not going to be your mainstream person that ends up the nominee even though the polls say that donald trump is the most unfavorable but we're talking about an economy on fumes and global chaos. they don't want your nobel peace prize in charge. they want somebody that will stand up for the american people and that's why trump stays on top. >> katrina, let me just ask katrina, the same voters that you would say are putting him ahead in the polls are the same people calling him dumb and stupid and idiot. that's not coming from the establishment. that's coming from the same people populating the polls that you like for donald trump. >> well, i think that it comes from a wide range of those in the poll. that particular poll only had 400 of the 1,000 that participated in that part of it. however, this is a number of things that are about to happen. you're going to have people drop out throughout the next couple of weeks who aren't going to make it to the next debate and those people have to go somewhere and we're going to see exactly who those people go to. >> we're going to take a brief pause here. all of you are going to stay with us. we're watching both of these town halls. jeb bush obviously taking questions from voters. donald trump is anticipated to do so shortly and we're going to be taking that live when that happens. we also have a special report, melania, is she now trump's secret weapon? 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do you agree? >> well, i think it's probably true. i have my own mind. i listen to people and it goes through that and i do what i think is right. >> an immigrant and now a naturalized citizen, her view on the immigration issue is in line with her husband's. i went through a long process to become a citizen, she says. i think people should follow the law. they married in 2005. barron was married 14 months later. while he's been raised bilingual. when you come to america, you speak english. barron made his cnn debut five years ago on cnn. >> he's bossing everybody around the house. >> has he fired anybody yet? >> he did, actually. he's fired the housekeeper and nanny many times. >> reporter: melania sounds like a reluctant warrior saying she's not ready to get political yet. it's a long road. we will see. >> she'll make a very beautiful first lady, i can tell you that. and a great first lady. >> reporter: joe johns, cnn, washington. >> "outfront" tonight, the senior editor at "people" magazine, charlotte triggs. this is incredible. you saw donald at home. what is their home like? >> everything that you would think it would be. it's covered in marble and gold and angels on the ceilings. it's the epitome of '80s decadent, really. >> what was melania trump like? >> she's a very interesting woman. she's very soft spoken and supports her husband. she doesn't like to contradict him but says she's not a "yes" person. it's very clear she has her own opinion. you can try to tell her husband anything to give him advice but he's going to do what he wants to do and any of the outrageous things he does, that's really his opinion. >> so what was he like at home? you would at least see donald trump on the campaign trail unafraid to lobby insults around, talks about his polls. i mean, was he a different person when he was with his wife and 9-year-old son? >> he's very relaxed. he was really accommodating and very confident and, you know, he's the person that he is but he was willing to answer absolutely any question and as they were together he got his son a tie for the photo shoot and make sure that his wife liked her pictures. they were a very sweet family. >> so she's not been on the campaign trail. as you point out, she has her own business, a jewelry line. she talks about traveling all the time. is she going to start playing a bigger role in this campaign? >> it's unclear whether she'll play a role in the campaign but she's not ready to get political. the only thing that she actually spoke about in terms of political issues was immigration. she's a naturalized citizen herself and agrees with her husband that people should have to go through the official channels. >> so that topic came up? >> yeah. she defended him. and her son is bilingual. she believes that, yes, you should speak multiple languages, it's good for you to know but in america you should speak english. she agrees with him. >> thank you very much, charlotte. >> thank you. katrina, doug and s.e. cupp are back. melania would be a certainly unknown campaign factor. is it possible she could help him? >> yeah. putting aside a lot of the criticisms which i think are justified, you cannot say that he doesn't have a very impressive family that loves him immensely. >> that's right. >> i've met some of his children. forget about melania. if you talk to his wife before melania, she is very vocal about her support for donald trump, both as a father and as a president. this is really an incredibly tight-knit successful, impressive, well-spoken, articulate happy family considering how many marriages there were, how much money there is, how much excess there is. i can speak from experience, they are very down to earth, his children, and i think any one of them would be an excellent surrogate on the campaign trail for donald trump talking about any number of issues. >> it's interesting, katrina, i want to play what donald trump said a moment ago at this town hall about women. s.e. cupp is completely right. the women in his life are incredibly articulate, confident women. here's what he had to say about women tonight. >> nobody respects women more than i do. two weeks ago i was making a speak and i said, i respect women, i cherish women. hillary said, we don't want to be cherished. we want to be respected. i said, i said that. i think you want to be cherished, too. it's better than -- it's everything. you want to be respected, cherished, you want to be everything. i think. right? am i right, women, or wrong? >> some people would see that as demeaning. >> well, there are probably some insecure women that would see that as demeaning but i think what s.e. said is right. the ones that would know his true heart and nature towards women, they appraise him. they adore him. even his previous wife, he has been very, very good to the women around him, even women that work for him. they all praise mr. trump and his treatment of women. so i really don't think this demeaning concept around trump and women is going to work, particularly when melania does hit the campaign trail. >> it's going to be interesting to see what will happen. as somebody who covered donald trump when i was a business reporter for a long time, a lot of women who work for him are very strong women. it will be interesting when they come out what their stories are and how this all plays. be sure to watch don lemon's interview tonight at 10:00 on cnn. 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[ applause ] >> you're listening to jeb bush at a town hall answering a voter question about vladimir putin and syria, talking about what he would have done differently. it was an emotional question and he also now is talking about his iraqi daughter-in-law. trump, just moments ago, took a shot at jeb bush. >> they ask bush, what do you think of rubio? he comes out and he's talking about bush. what do you think of rubio? he's my dear friend. he's so wonderful. i love him so much. so they say, what do you think of bush? oh, he's my dear friend. they hate each other. they hate. trust me, i know. they hate so much, they hate more than anybody in this room hates their neighbor. but it's political [ bleep ]. do you understand? it's true. >> as we showed you earlier, trump called out jeb bush for having a smaller crowd tonight and bush tells cnn that he is not worried. he gave an interview, a rare interview to our dana bash and she's "outfront." >> whoa. >> reporter: the irony of jeb bush being labeled low energy is that he's a tireless campaigner. >> each and every day i wake up and enjoy my heart with excitement. yes, mr. trump, with high energy. >> reporter: barn storming the early contest states with a break next schedule but some worried backers tell cnn all that effort makes that declining support with voters even more alarming. >> one of your significant donors told me it's as if we keep investing in a company and as a shareholder we're not seeing any sales. >> who is that? who is that person? >> reporter: i don't want to say. >> he doesn't either, i guess. the fact is, we've got a plan, we're executing on the plan. i'm convinced that i'm going to win the republican nomination. i'm going to do it in a way to win the general election as well. >> reporter: once the front-runner, bush has lost 50%, half of his support nationally since july. even here in the granite state where bush was leading in june, he's now tied for fifth place, according to a cnn poll last week. the result? bush aides are spending a lot of time saying, be patient. bush is building a nationwide infrastructure team to keep him alive through the gop contests well into the spring. >> patience. that's my first part of the strategy. the second part would be, more patience. >> unless bush can actually win republican delegates. to do that, even bush campaign advisers admit the central thesis of his campaign has to work, that he can shed the bush baggage and convince them that he's the washington outsider that they are looking for. >> they want authenticity and leadership skills to turn into reality. i'll convince people of that. >> reporter: even some bush backers worry the problem is fundamental. republican voters are looking for excitement and change. endurance is one thing. electricity is another. something jeb bush is lacking. >> i'm the tortoise in the race. slow, steady progress each and every day. >> reporter: often voters leave bush events impressed but not excited. bush aides insist that's okay. voters are now letting off steam by backing donald trump and other first-time politicians. but when it comes time to pull the lever, they'll go for the adult in the room. >> ultimately, this is not about the loudness. it's not about entertainment. we're not auditioning for some kind of show here. we're running for president of the united states. >> reporter: erin, as i speak to you, i'm going to be a little quiet because this is quite an intimate gathering of jeb bush and voters here in new hampshire. he has been answering questions for the past 45 minutes or so. a lot of substantive issues but i should say, you played the fact that jeb bush is speaking at the same time as donald trump going into tonight i asked bush why voters should come here and not go to trump. his answer was, if they want to be entertained, they can go to trump. if they want to learn about how to deal with problems that are facing voters in new hampshire, they should come here. erin? >> dana, thank you very much. 45 minutes of voters questions in substance, talking about what his policy would have been, very different than what you heard from donald trump. donald trump just wrapping up his event. he's going to be taking questions but he's making news on syria that is important to share. i want to go straight to our sara murray who was in the room with donald trump. what is it that he said? >> reporter: erin, he was talking about the refugee crisis and in the midst of how he would deal with foreign policy and he said if he were president, he would send all of the refugees back home. that got a response from the crowd. a number of people stood up and gave him a standing ovation. it was one of the loudest round of a i applause he got. >> so you're saying the biggest applause, sara, came from the line of sending the refugees home. that's incredible and obviously something new that donald trump has not said before. we'll talk about that with our panel as we take a brief break. when we come back, donald trump is about to take questions, jeb bush taking substantive questions. both in new hampshire tonight. we'll be right back. ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪ ♪ the final countdown! if you're the band europe, you love a final countdown. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. while you're watching this, i'm hacking your company. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? 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