Torturing them. Thats what he was all about. That was Andrew Urdiales thing. Sentenced to death in illinois for killing three women, his life was spared when the governor abolished the Death Penalty. As a result, the state of california extradited him to face justice for five murders he committed there. What makes him different from other people that youve tried even for horrible murders . He enjoyed it. He went out and hunted women. Just like a wrecking ball, the damage hes done. This is the most evil person i thinki ive ever met in my life. In an exclusive interview, the last one he will ever give, i try to get inside the mind of serial killer Andrew Urdiales. Lets talk about the truth. You did it, i want to know why you did it. All right, here i am. This is chris cuomo in new york testing out the ifv or the speakerphone. Can you hear me . Yeah,ki hear you. I just have some concerns about how this is going to be played and how its going to be portrayed. I know your show is called inside evil. The Sheriffs Department gave me an hour to interview urdiales when he was being held for his third trial. Which would determine whether he would live or die. Mr. Urdiales, im the one whos going to determine the questions. All right. All right, good, so if youre ready to begin, we will. What is it that you want people to know that you believe sheds new light on the explanation of how these women died . Thats pretty hard. I dont think i want to answer that question. Okay. And can you tell me why you dont want to answer it when you have answered it before to police . Voluntarily . Voluntarily . You said you wanted to call california. You know you did this, is that correct. Correct. Im not trying to be coy or play with you, but im trying to preserve some things for maybe appeal, because i had planned on coming back on appeal on some issues that i raised. Keep in mind, this man has already fully confessed to these murders. He was found guilty not in one court of law but in three, all since his arrest and capture in 1997. Now, these are hard photos, but it shows just how deliberate he was. Matt murphy is a prosecutor, where in may of 2018 urdiales was found guilty of murdering five women. 23yearold robin brandly at saddle back college in mission viejo. Maryann wells in san diego and in the palm springs area, julie magee and denise mainy, and the youngest, 18yearold tammy irwin. One of the things the detectives wanted to do is make sure they had the right guy. Even though hes confessing to the crime theyre asking him specific details that only the killer would know. And not just say oh, theyre white shoes. He knew down to the color, the type, everything. Do you think he wanted to remember them . Absolutely. Hes reliving the murders when hes describing them. In an effort to unveil urdiales m. O. They take me to the beginning, to the murder of robin brandly. Robin brandly, thats everybodys sister, everybodys girlfriend, everybodys friend. Shes just walking to her car, and he stabbed her so many times. It was so awful. Listen to this confession tape from chicago, describing robins murder. It would be his first, when he was a marine, stationed at Camp Pendleton. I had a big old hunting knife. He gets in an argument with some fellow marines in Camp Pendleton and decides tonights the night. He climbs up the hill, uses his Marine Corps Training to essentially sneak up on her. I said i wanted her purse. She said youve ngot my purse. And we just stood there for a while. He stabs her 41 times. And shes on her back, and she dies with her eyes only. The thing i did was start stabbing. Once, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 12 times, give or take. Shes staring at this monster whos stabbing her for absolutely no reason. Investigator helen moreno who flew from Orange County to interview the newlyrevealed serial killer asks him why, why did he do it . You say when you walk up to her and first grab her, what are you thinking . Nothing there. Nothing there . How about after you leave . Theres nothing there. Just a blank spot. Would you agree somebody stabbing somebody else 41 times speaks to a degree of violence and hostility . Thats correct. Thats a good assessment. So, if somebody stabs somebody else 41 times, they must have some kind of reason or some kind of emotion fueling them, right . Im not going to answer that. You think could you stab someone 41 times for no reason . I dont know. How did he get this way . When we come back. If you look down to the end of the row near the windmills, youll see where the location of denise mainy was. Thats where he raped and sodomized her. And thats where he ended up slitting her throat and killing her. Detective john booth of the Palm Springs Police department remembers exactly where the bodies of Andrew Urdiales victims were found. Including the youngest. Tammy irwin. You could see her body from the roadway. Dressed in shorts and kind of a summery outfit. She had these cloth tennis shoes on, and she was laying face down in the dirt. You could see tire tracks leading away from her, which is, we later figured out where the car tracks of Andrew Urdiales vehicle. Detective booth interrogated the serial killer in chicago after ushd urdiales confessed to three murders there and five more in california. Well, at first i was a little afraid, and i realized big, mean Police Officer shouldnt be afraid of a guy whom im twice as big as. But just the way he w wwa was callously talking about these women let you know he was an evil person. He talked about the night he shot maryann wells in the head at point blank range. What did you do after that happened in. Well, i just didnt really feel anything. It was quiet and peaceful. You think you have the normal range of emotions that you react to situations the way most people would . I should. Do you . I believe so. I did seven years in the marine corps as a radio operator. I was a desert storm veteran. He enlisted in the marines when he was 19, based first at Camp Pendleton and then 29 palms, deployed to okinawa and desert storm. Two years into a frustrating career, urdiales started killing. I was trained to kill. Boot camp. Forensic psychiatrist park deets evaluated him. In describing some of the homicides he even described himself as being at war, or its like combat, and im a trained killer. Desert is opportunity for this man. Why . Well, if youre torturing and raping somebody and nobodys going to hear a woman scream, you basically can have at it. The killings were meticulously planned. In the desert, he a storage locker, and in that, he kept murder weapon, things that he could tie these women up with. A storage unit, veep f conver stepping off the base and returning to duty as if nothing had happened. Thats how he managed to get away with murdering four women during his sevenyear military career. In 1991, he was honorably discharged. But even after the marines and home in illinois he kept going back to california to hunt women. He would vacation out there, just like people would go vacation to ski or to fish or to go surfing. That was his thing. Do you believe that emotionally, youre able to control yourself in situations . Yes. The reason im asking you is because the title of this series inside evil, that title bothers you. But it concerns me, yeah. It concerns me, too, because of the kinds of people i wiped up meeting while we are doing these documentaries. Its a search to get inside the mind of people who do things that we believe were not capable of doing, that human beings dont naturally kill multiple people on a whim. And go on about their normal lives. Thats what i was accused of. Well, thats what you were convicted of, many times and sentenced to death. I was accused and convicted of. Do you believe youre different than anybody else . No. But juries heard hours of testimony about what might be wrong with urdiales. His lawyers tried blaming his upbringing, saying he was raised in the abusive household, a mother who had drank during pregnancy, and that he had fetal alcohol syndrome, causing the brain to degenerate rapidly in adulthood. You dont buy it . His iq is one point high of superior, which is totally inconsistent with fetal alcohol. Fetal alcohol is very real in the word and Andrew Urdiales doesnt qualify. They say your brain is deteriorating and it may be fetal alcohol sisdromyndrome. I disagree with that. Ive had several mris done. I dont know what theyre getting at with this fetal alcohol. I sort of disagree with that from day one. They put it together with a picture of your childhood, that you had a mother who was very protective, that you experienced abuse. You knew the truth of how you grew up. You tell me. I grew up in the 70s. My family was blue color, working class. And i know how things came out and how they tried to portray them, and i would say that was not fair. How would you define your attitude during the period in your life when you were a child . Thats a really good question. Im kind of glad you asked that. I was very emotional, very naive, very, not so much sheltered, but i was just kind of like slow to pick up on things. But shortly after he was apprehended, urdiales admitted to having serious anger issues to detective moreno. He felt that he had been wronged a lot of times, that people wouldnt listen to him. Ive always had a rotten temper, an shitty temper sometimes. Dr. Deets points out why urdiales may have had trouble making friends. I thought all those oddities could be explained by the known tourettes syndrome. In his case, he had hyperactivity, fi hyperactivity fidgeting and squirming and facial ticks with grimacing and various kinds of facial movements. Peers who tonig peers who dont understand it can bully kids that way. You can see how being picked on is a frustrating life trajectory, in his case the dominant emotion to emerge from that was anger. Did you see yourself as angry when were you a young man . Thats a good question. Ill just say id probably be no more angry than the next person. I never had an opportunity to really learn how to be close to people. The picture that emerges is one of a loner. Angry at the world. You could think of these as alternate careers for a certain breed of losers. This could have gone any bad direction. He could have been a bomber. He could have been a mass murderer, he could have been an assassin. He wasnt just destined specifically to be a serial killer, but with his resources and skill, that was the one he could achieve. When we come back, was there one group of people who really infuriated urdiales . I just really cant even believe im standing here today talking about it, because i thought i was going to die. One night, when she was 19 years old, Jennifer Asbenson accepted a ride to her overnight nursing job from a stranger who turned out to be Andrew Urdiales. The following morning, he was waiting for her. And asked her to join him for breakfast. There was a night and day difference between the two rides. This time urdiales would kidnap her, violently attempt to sexual assault, tie her up and lock her in the trunk of his car. Forcing her into the fight of her life in the middle of the desert near palm springs. It was like i was in hell, and i was with the delvil, and theres no way to even explain the sheer terror. Urdiales certainly enjoyed inflicting chaos, harm and pain on others. Forensic psychiatrist park deets, assessed that usrdiales disappointments in life led to his anger issues. He is motivated by revenge against the world, especially women, women who rejected him, women who didnt provide for him, women who fired him. And he had no sympathy, no empathy, no compassion. All i saw was hate. An angry loner, on top of that, a sexual sadist. At the time various searches were executed on his property. Implements for bondage were found. He quite grudgingly admitted having fantasies of bondage, which he related to wanting to have power and control and his anger, technically at women, and i got enough to be sure that hes a sadist. Do you have a personal problem with women . Do women make you angry . No. Do you have a feelings of hostility towards women . Do you think that women sometimes deserve violence . No. He may deny it now, but listen to his confession from 1997. A lot of times i will get angry about something. Jennifers case, he told detectives the fake number she gave him during their first ride set him off. It was a bad number, and i was kind of upset about that. Thats when he took off into the desert and attempted to rape and kill her. But miraculously, she escaped, jumping out of the trunk of his car and running for her life. In this case, we had a survivor. So shes able to fill in a lot of the blanks for what these women went through, these women who didnt survive. Do you believe he hated women . Oh, he did hate women. And i believe i know why. Because the whole time i was with emhhim, he had erectile disfunction. He could never perform. Jennifer says his own inadequacy made him furious. I asked him about it, and of course met denial. But she would know, and i would trust her interpretation of that. When urdiales confessed, he didnt hold back on details. Please be advised, they are extremely explicit. I took my shirt off, unzipped my pants and tried to rape her. You said you tried. Was it not successful . No. What happened . Didnt get fully erected. What happened next . I kept trying to rape her. She kept trying to help me. I started squeezing her, choking her with my hands. By the time i sat down with him, he wouldnt even admit having an issue with women. Have women done things to make you angry . Angry to the point of violence . No. Never . No. Urdiales saying he has no malice toward women is a contradiction to things he told me. Urdiales stole eight womens lives and shattered so many others. Its just like a wrecking ball, the damage hes done. Steve was only 13 when his mother was found shot in an alley way in downtown san diego. She was urdiales third victim. She was 17 years older than me. Absolutely tried her hardest to make sure that i had a good life. From those whole first 13 years of my life, it was only her and i. When she was killed, steve had just moved in with his dad in an effort to get to know him, and maryann was going through a rough patch. My mom was not a career prostitute. At the time of her death, obviously, she was, but doesnt matter, because shes got every right to live, and he robbed her of that. Seven out of the eight women urdiales killed were reported to be sex workers. Prostitutes make the perfect victims, because part of their trade is going to isolated locations that nobody can see or hear whats going on, and that makes them a perfect victim. He told me he had been with 200 prostitutes. That means that 95 of the time he didnt kill them. The ones he did kill in each instance, he was able to describe something that made him angry. The source of the anger differs from case to case. And could well be inability to get an erection. One point i asked him, what did she do to make you so mad, and he couldnt remember. It just triggered something inside of him, and he just became extroemely violent. Guns, knives were all in play. The obvious hatred he had for women is remarkable. The coldblooded murder of maryann wells, steves mom, is a perfect example. He knew that she was a single mom. He knew that steve wells existed, and he killed her anyway, which also shows what a monday isster monster he is, which means he was going to leave that little boy in the world by himself and killed her despite that. It took the police over two months to find steve and tell him his mother was gone. Not being able to say goodbye to my mother or have a service or funeral or see a body, i think, had a negative effect on me, because i, i had recurring dreams that she was hiding from me all these years. He doesnt care about people. Hes deficient in empathy. Urdiales himself confessed that killing made him feel better. Just like if you stab them once in the back, i kept on going. The disappointment, anger, frustration. He described it as the tension builds up, and then by destroying something or killing a person, the tension is relieved. Steve, jennifer, and the other california victims families would get to face urdiales when he went on trial in their home state, when we come back. March 2018. In california, Andrew Urdiales stands trial for a third time. Andrew urdiales had this unique procedural thing where he went to death row in illinois and sentence was commuted. So Public Safety wise, as prosecutors, we have an obligation to ensure that person does not get out. We the jury find Andrew Urdiales guilty of the trim cri nurd t murder in the first degree. Guilty of murdering five women in california. Disgrace to the United States marine corps. And the jury absolutely convicted him. Five months later, the Death Penalty phase of sentencing. I remember knowing this day would come, i just didnt know it would take this long. Its been a long time. On october 5th, 2018, Andrew Urdiales faces his victims families as they address the court. On april 16th, 1989, the defendant not only killed my daughter, but he killed me inside. Charles irwin, the father of tammy, urdiales youngest victim. Would he have given me grandchildren . Would she have gone on to be somebody special . We dont know. He ruined my family. Tore my family apart. Thank you, your honor. Thank you. Then, Jennifer Asbenson unexpectedly took the stand. Hi, i didnt plan to say anything. But i still have a will and fight in me, and i dont want to give up because of what that man did to me. And its just surreal to be standing here, because i imagine i was going to be chopped up, laying in that desert. And be found and nobody would have known what happened to me, so it is just surreal, and i feel like im speaking for the other girls, too. Theyre my angels. And then the convicted killer asked to address the jury that had found him guilty and was about to determine whether he would live or die. The judge allowed it, under strict guidelines. We need to make sure that im clear, i will not allow mr. Urdiales to reargue the case. I do not want to hear about the police investigation. That is not appropriate for me to consider in sentencing, his view on things like that. Im actually kind of nervous. First to the jury, id like to apologize what happened on the sordid details of the case. And then a bombshell. Urdiales agrees with the jurys guilty verdict, based on the case that was presented in court. I can understand how they found that. And if i was a juror on the case id probably have found the same thing. I have no hard feelings. I tried over 200 cases. Ive never heard a defendant lean over and agree with their verdict. I have condolences for their loss, and i have to apologize to mr. Wells, mr. Wells has lost his mother. When he said my name, it made me feel like sitting in his jail develo cell, hes thought about how he has impacted people. Just kind of froze for a minute. And then i was upset because he doesnt know me. Id like to express my sincere apologies for what happened. I sincerely hope shes got her life back together and hope she can put this time behind her. Maybe hes sorry he did it to us now that he sees us as real human beings, but hes a monster, so thats probably just wishful thinking. Through the years, in and out of court for the three trials in two states, the victims families have become close. You know that youre not alone, and theyre Kindred Spirits and people that understand me, and i understand them. For every time somebody said something about my daughter or one of the other girls, i have talked one of them, Jennifer Asbenson and the things that she went through, and my mind thinks that my daughter might have went through some of that, too. They all sat together to hear the judges decision. Will it be life in prison . Or death. I find that these murders were premeditated, willful and deliberate and committed with malice aforethought. When we come back, is this finally the end for Andrew Urdiales . Convicted of murdering five women in california, Andrew Urdiales received five separate sentences. For willful, unlawful, premeditated and deliberate murder of robin brandon. Of maryann wells, tammy irwin, Andrew Urdiales shall be put to death in san quentin. It felt like all of the evil was just sucked out of that room. A triumphant moment for the vi victims families and Jennifer Asbenson. Feels like a Second Chance at life, with the antagonist gone. Its been a long time, long time coming. Within days, urdiales would be moved to death row in san quentin, but i was allowed to talk to him while he was still in the Orange County sheriffs custody. What was your reaction when you heard that you had been sentenced to death for your crimes . I was not surprised. I was expecting it. No hard feelings against the jury. Do you think it was fair . They saw what they saw, and they thought, they, i get my train of thought here. They, they based their decision on what they saw and heard. Do you acknowledge that you killed the women that you are accused of killing . I dont think i want to answer that question. I mean, i already know how im portrayed right now. It seems like my side hasnt really been heard yet. What is your side of this . Why is whats happening to you wrong . Are you familiar with the station i was brought to, area two headquarters in chicago . I am. Anything comes out of area two is bull shit. That is the place where he was first troergted whinterrogated. Theyve been known to torture and abuse suspects into confessions. So he claimed his confession had been coerced. Th they took one guy, handcuffed him to a chair and threw him out a [ bleep ] window. It was a torture facility. They took another guy okay, lets and stuck a shotgun up his ass. We looked into his allegation about people being mistreated at the area two headquarters in chicago. And yes, that did happen according to an investigation by Amnesty International and it happened to more than 100 people between 1972 and 1991. Thing is, Andrew Urdiales was interrogated in 1997. One of the things he claimed was the detectives actually hit him in the face and beat him, basically, in order to get that confession. What we found interesting about that, and he probably forgot about that, we have photographs of him immediately after these interrogations. Theres not a bruise. Theres no blood, theres nothing that would indicate he suffered any kind of trauma at the happenends of these detecti. Helen moreno says he had the mer opportuni perfect opportunity to complain to her and the other detectives. Have there been any promises or anything made to you for giving up this information or telling this information . No, i did it voluntarily. John booth talked to urdiales in area two right after he was arrested. Okay. We listened to his confession and heard nothing aggressive from police. Just hours of details about his victims and how he killed them. Chicago area two had nothing whatsoever to do with the dna that we found. It had nothing to do with the expended shell casings, nothing do with his confession in any way. I read some of his own confession back to him. After killing somebody everything stops. Theres a feeling of relief, but also of being emat the apty and. This is what you said. I dont care what i said, because in hindsight, i was wrong. Mr. Cuomo. What does that mean . Considering that that statement was taken in the area two headquarters, under duress. Okay, fine. That is bullshit. Lets talk about the truth. Its also bullshit that you didnt kill these women. I want to know why you did it. Ill address that in a court of law, under oath if i have to, if i come back on appeal. Urdiales says he wanted to bring up his allegation of police coercion in his sentencing hearing but the judge wouldnt allow it. I dont want to hear anything like that. That is not appropriate for me to considerate sentencing. The only thing i was able to say, i expressed my condolences to the victims family, and i did offer an apology to ms. Asbenson for that, what happened. And something i pointed out to my lawyer, i was kind of like really cautioned about what i wanted to say as far as anything else. While urdiales apologized to jennifer, he made a point of not apologizing to the families. I want to express my condolences, and thats as far as im going to go. I express my condolences for their loss, because anything i say, it might affect my credibility. Mr. Urdiales, you say you apologize to ms. Asbenson. Right. If you apologize, that means you did it. Youre insulting the victims families a little bit, because you say you express condolences, and if you have condolences for the families, then you shouldnt play with whether or not youre responsible for taking their loved ones, because thats how you show remorse by saying im sorry, i did it, and im sorry for that loss. Now either you feel that or you dont. Do you or do you not . Im sorry for their loss. And thats as far as im going to go. I hear you. Im just saying if you want to be found credible in a court of law. Im sorry ill take it. Because thats as far as im going to go. Less than a month after our interview, something happened that completely took everyone by surprise. Things are always different than you think theyre going to be. When we come back. Let me ask you something, if you want to be honest. How often do you think about the people connected to these crimes . How often do their names and faces come back to you . Thats a good question. Let me say that they, the victims families, they have my condolences. And thats as far as i can go with that. Well, i dont know how much that will mean to them when you wont admit the truth of what happened. Hell tim sorry, im sorry didnt give you what you needed. You know the expression, the truth will set you free. Shortly after our interview, Andrew Urdiales was transferred to death row at californias maximum security prison, san quentin. Three weeks later, news that took everyone by surprise. 54 year old Andrew Urdiales body was found friday night. Urdiales was found unresponsive in his cell. Bewere informed that there was irrefutable evidence that he intentionally killed him is self, and that was in the form of a note, but i have not seen it. Prosecutor matt murphy told us urdiales had hanged himself. We reached out to the prison asking to see the note but never heard back. What does it mean to you that he took his own life . I just felt shock and disbelief. I asked myself why, why did he kill himself . Did he kill himself because this new hell, which is san quentin, that he was brought into was so scary to him, did it just consume him . Its not surprising that someone whos facing Capital Punishment would commit suicide when they have an opportunity. It really is a calculus as it is for anyone. Is my life worth living or isnt it . Whether he would ultimately face Capital Punishment was uncertain. California has over 700 inmates on death row. Theyre far more likely to die of suicide or old age. The state has not executed anyone in over a decade. In fact, the governor just ordered the states Execution Chamber to be closed. Remember, Andrew Urdiales was a professional death row inmate. Hed been on death row in illinois for years and years and years. And san quentin of the death rows in america, its not bad. They get their own cell, they get tv. Depression was not a big problem. There were no real suicide attempts in his past. So the idea that he wound up in san quentin and suddenly became so depressed that he decided to commit suicide is absolutely not what happened here. Matt murphy feels strongly that he knows why urdiales killed himself. Andrew urdiales agreed with the jurys findings. I understand. I understand how they found this and i respect their decision. He went to death row, and he hanged himself on death row. Andrew urdiales was carrying out the jurys recommendation. Him being gone, does that end this for you . It will never be ended for me, because i have ptsd that reminds me of what happened to me every single day. How it has helped me that he has died is now that i cant play these neurotic fantasies in my mind that he could one day get out and come and find me and kill me. Jennifer started writing all her thoughts on postit notes which turned into an auto biography called the girl in the treehouse. My whole purpose of writing that book was to change my story, to change it into what i wanted it to be. She wrote it in a safe space where she could process what happened. Im not a victim. And the only times i was a victim was when i was in that circumstance if it were to turn out to be true that he hanged himself because he could no longer deal with what he was, what does that mean to you . That makes perfect sense to me. He can no longer deal with his demons. Maybe a lawyer told him his chances of a successful appeal were close to nil, or did the guilt finally become too much to bear . Whether Andrew Urdiales experienced one iota of remorse is a secret he carried to his grave. He tortured these women who begged for their lives. He left a trail of destruction. This is a guy who had every opportunity in life. A high enough iq. You look at a series of famous serial killers in the United States, very often they have backgrounds very similar to Andrew Urdiales. They do it because they like doing it. They like doing it, and more importantly, theyre going to keep doing it. There is no cure for this. Theyre human predators, and theyll keep doing it as long as theyre drawing breath. A major drawdown. Thousands of u. S. Troops could soon be pulled from afghanistan. U. S. Senator Lindsey Graham makes it clear hes not trying to be fair about Donald Trumps expected impeachment. Also, snow, ice, and rain spreading can oeft to coast across the United States. Derek van dam will have that with us. Its all this hour. Welcome the our viewers in the u. S. And around the world. Live to you from atlanta