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Why wasnt there a drone strike then . Now for two days, were hearing reports of what one yemeni official is calling an unprecedented strike win yemen. As you mentioned more than two dozen militants being killed. And the implication is there be drone strikes although that has not been confirmed but that was based on descriptions of the terrain. How difficult it would be to get troops into these very mountainous areas. But as usual in this type of operation, at this point, the administration is not commenting. Were hoping to get more information later today, chris. Michelle, thank you very much. Lets bring in chief National Security correspondent jim sciutto. Jim, lets start with the video at hand, came out last week. Was it specific at the time, was it related to this necessarily . It was definitely necessary at the time because it was so brazen. You had many leaders, many of them senior, meeting in Daylight Hours where u. S. Drones are often flying. No u. S. Officials are going to make a direct connection to this and the operation tra took place. Certainly this was an embarrassment to the Yemeni Government, arguably a challenge to the cuss and a failure. Obviously, this turned into an intelligence opportunity and one of the reasons they were led to carry out the attacks that took place in the last 48 hour. It seems like it may have been an intelligence failure for the bad guys as well seems like putting them out there heightened the situation. Where do we know about where this was taking place . The video took place in province east of the coast of africa. There were other strikes you might remember we were reporting where yemeni officials said ten al qaeda officials were structure. Now you have a combination of drone strikes with action on the ground. Not by u. S. Troops but yemeni troops. We do know that the u. S. Is the only country that conducts drone strikes there. And there is intelligence cooperation between the yemenis and the americans. We know this is a hot bed. And we also know this is an ongoing operation. Does that mean two days right now . It means they got a lot of bad guys in that country. We saw it in the video. Remember, its ongoing. They have to show their strength, youre right, this was an embarrassment but they have to follow through. But also for americans why do we care about this al qaeda and american peninsula, its called aq ap. This is a target on american targets and also targets at home. They carry out attacks and we know they have aspirations to continue do that. This is not something that happens a million miles away but seemingly acts lives here at home. The drones are effective because you dont have to have boots on the ground. But they do come with this bilateral byproduct. The yemenis Officials Say 30 being killed. That an important part going forward, them being able to clarify how many civilians were involved, hopefully, none . We already know that the attack that took place on saturday. Three civilians were killed in the attack. Its often very likely, in fact, when you strike from the sky with good intelligence, arguably, bit not perfect intelligence. Youre going to have collateral damage. Weve seen the damage thats caused in pakistan, afghanistan. We hear about this. Every time theres a strike, civilians are struck. This is a driving force of antiamericanism on the ground. Weve both been on the ground where drone strikes occur. Basically, they can take out the entire area, no matter how good the intelligence it. And you have to think going forward, jim, what will we hear in how much backlash in taking out the leadership . Thats always a challenge. Less in yemen, but more in pakistan and afghanistan. Its something that the u. S. Has to be conscious of, right . Because if the u. S. Wants to be able to continue these separations here which are a priority for the u. S. , they got to keep those relationships. And the Yemeni Government not exactly the most stable in the world. So any challenge say challenge to the u. S. Thank you, jim. Appreciate the perspective. Well find out more as the hits continue, well get information and bring it to you, kate . Lets turn to the grim recovery effort to the ferry disaster in south korea. The death toll continues to rise as the countrys president is condemning the captain and crew. Overnight, four more crew members were arrested in connection with the deadly accident as nearly 240 people, many of them High School Students, remain missing. Cnns Paula Hancocks is live in jindo, south korea, with the very latest. Good morning, paula. Kate, its a heartbreaking day in the harbor as the families here are being brought here and these desperate families have to walk through the tent where is theyre laid out to see if their child is one of those retrieved from the ship. Give home people are still people, this is a scene thats going to be playing out a lot over the coming days. Reporter this morning, the investigation into what went wrong is ramping up. Four additional crew members arrested overnight as the countrys president blasts the ships captain directly calling his actions, quote, a kin to murder. Hes now charged negligence. Even though not at the helm, his kapgt was. Newly released information shed new light on what exactly happened. Our ship is in danger, he says. The ship is rolling right now. By that time, the ship had already tilted too far for the majority of passengers to move or to deploy lifeboats. Five minutes later boat Traffic Control urged the unidentified crew member on the radio to prepare for evacuation saying please put on the life vests and get ready as people may have to abandon ship. Then after 30 minutes, both encouraged the captain to take charge. The crew member questioned the retreat asking if passengers would immediately be rescued. And now the grim task of retrieving the dead continues as families angry and anguished wait for news. And families are asking why its not happening quicker. Theyre making a lot of criticism saying that all the bodies, or at least a chance of looking for survivors should have happened already. But i did speak to one guy who said visibility was so bad, when he was out there he couldnt even get in the water. He said when he came back to the harbor emptyhanded, he couldnt look at the families. Back to you. Essentially that has become a Recovery Mission there. Well stay on top it of it along with the investigation. Switching to another mystery, bluefin 21, the underwater drone looking for flight 370 is back in the water scanning for the missing flight. More than twothirds of the indian ocean has been covered with no sign of the missing plane. Lets get to cnns Erin Mclaughlin. Are they starting to get nervous about the search area . Reporter good morning, chris, well, the next few days are mission critical. I wouldnt say theyre nervous. I would say theyre focused. Why . Because theyre searching in the area right now where they believe is the most likely place where theyre going to find the black box, based on the albeit and limited set of data that they have. Theyre homed in on the second acoustic detention that lasted some 13 minutes. It was the strongest signal of the four that that towed pinger locator was able to pick up. And theyre searching in a sixmile radius around that point. The bluefin 21 slowly and meticulously combing those waters. Nothing found so far. They have 70 of that area covered. They have another 30 to go. Australian authorities saying it could take another few days before completing that search, thats if the bluefin 21 performs as expected. And if the weather holds which is a big if. Considering there say Tropical Cyclone named jack to the north of the search area, currently making its way south. At the moment not appearing to impact the bluefins operation. Last time we checked it was in the water on its ninth mission. That cyclone could cause wind and rain in the area, even though its not a direct hit. Thank you for that. Lets take a look at more of your headlines right now. There have been a spike in violence as tensions reach a boiling point in ukraine. Prorussian groups said one of their points came under attack. A shootout ensued. Six people dead. All of this a day after Vice President biden making a show for ukraines government. Break overnight. Quite a mystery. The fbi is investigating a teen stowaway who they say stowed away in a jet from california to maui. The 16yearold subvieved conditions despite a lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures. The teen reportedly ran away from his family. Hes now being taken care of by Child Protective Services in hawaii. The entire climbing seen on mt. Everest could be cancelled after the deadly avalanche. Thats because sherpa guides who guide to the tallest mountain are threatening to go on strike. At least 13 sherpa guides died. Theyre upset with the failure to compensate the families. Apparently up to 400. The worst in history. We remember the winged suit flyer who was going to do a jub on discovery, theyve cancelled that. Just a dangerous game. All right. Lets come back home here and tune into what is supposed to be just a spectacular, the best ever in terms of how many people are going to watch, the Boston Marathon. Of course, we all know its one year since those deadly bombs tore apart the finish line up there in boston. But today say new day. Theyre expecting a Record Number of spectators. So security will be impressive at the race. Thousands of officers will be monitoring what theyre calling a ring of steel, surrounding the 36,000 runners. Well, less than three hours away from start time. John berman on the scene at the marathon starting point in hopkins, massachusetts. Reporter the population triples here with 36,000 runners showing up. Where it is begin says metaphor today. Its a new beginning for this race and this area as people reclaim the Boston Marathon as a celebration, turn the frag the terror that was one year ago where three people were killed at the finish line. This race, as we said, some 36,000 people will be running. 1 Million People will be watching. And as for security, they are ready. Reporter the security here unprecedented. Were going to have plenty of assets. And if need be, theyll be rolling in very quickly. Reporter more than 3500 Police Officers uniformed and under water patrolling the streets. 100 more security cams are in place to watch the huge crowd. The eye eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th marathon. Organizers expecting a record turnout with about 1 million spectators lining the 26. 2mile coarse. Theyll be cheering on 36,000 runners. Thats 9,000 more than last year. Many looking for their student to finally cross that finish line. Its very emotional because i was right on boylston street when the second bomb went off. So, it means a lot to be able to come back and hopefully finish, cross the finish line this year. Reporter other runners injured in the blast now show what it mean to be boston strong. It means above all that we never, ever give in to anything. Reporter a renewed sense of pride and purpose, after the bombings during last years race. Three people were killed that day. The white family was among 264 who were injured. Mary jo suffered a wron wrist. Her husband bill lost his leg. Son kevin had shrapnel all through his body. But thats not stopping him from running this year. Any fears of being at the finish line . If i have any, theyre pretty far back. So im not really developiwelli them. I also think its going to be one safest places that day. Its going to be one of the safest places in history ever. Reporter so kevin white who is running told me that today is a day when tears of pain will be replaced by tears of joy. Hes so excited for this race. Hes actually signed up for his second marathon a few months from now. Security will be will be unprecedented. Fans are told they can have backpacks and strollers just be smart about it. Make security easier for the people patrolling the streets but today very much a celebration. Theres a sensitivity up there. I saw you running with kevin. You looked john, j. B. , i was surprised youre not entering the race. I know your commitment to cnn is the only reason youre not doing it this year. Youre in shape. Its the only reason. And 1 Million People are turning out to see this. Thats a testament. That will be the record. I dont think theyll have a Record Number of runners. I think its more impressive theyre going to have a Record Number of spectators. Boston is always seen as a huge city. Our thanks to j. B. , well be back to him. Theres an intimacy up there as well. You really feel it when youre up there. Theyve put it together the way few cities have ever put it together. And to Indra Petersons tracking the forecast. Hows it look in boston . Chris, i know why youre not doing it. Because there are no blueberry doughnuts in boston. They had a blueberry fix like this, i would chase it 26 miles. From what i understand, great running conditions from the runners ive talked to. 50s for the highs. Nice temperatures even by 3 00, theyre still out there, high of 61. The rain is in the west. Clear in the east. Great in new york city and boston all the way down the east coast. Thats going to stay that way for tomorrow, though. Tomorrow night, the rain gets to boston philadelphia, and d. C. , let it go there. High pressure backing that. A nice couple of days for the east coast. A stormy couple of days for the midwest. Weve had almost a record low number of tornadoes so far this year. Lets hope that doesnt change this week. There will be a severe chance of weather later on today. Thanks, jeff. Lets take a little break on new day. We now know theyre twothirds of the way done. And no sign of flight 370 on the floor. So is there a plan . If this last third doesnt reveal anything. Were going to talk to the experts and take the best guess. Plus, more deaths after the deadly accident in south korea. The countrys president suggesting actions by the captain and his crew were askin to murder. New questions on what went wrong and if it could happen here. 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And david gallo cnn director it the woods hole institution. David, let me start with you, were now in its ninth mission, the bluefin. And the conversation continues which means we need a couple days fw days. Twothirds of the day one. Focusing on a sixmile radius. If they dont find debris, what would you suggest is the next step . I dont want to cut them short. They do have a third to go. Theyve gotten the bugs out of the system. Theres a ring them in to the operation and now is the time frame. And they are in the prime time so keep our fingers crossed and prayers with them. The next is if this doesnt pan out, its regrouping sitting back with that white board and wondering what do we do next, do we expand this area or go to another area altogether. And there a Tropical Cyclone in the area, david. Northwest of the area, its not a direct hit of any kind but what would be the impact of that wind, of that rain, on the search efforts . Yeah, i hope that stays well clear of here. I took a look at the weather, predicted weather, wind and waves for that area. It doesnt look like its going to have that big of an impact on them. Any kind of wind or waves is going to slow things down quite a bit and if it gets too bad, its going to slow them down for a couple days. Thats the last thing we need. Marry i want to get your take on, but it seems small, but every small detail works in the assumption of where we think the plane went and the flight path it took. Were now told, sources are telling cnn, that initial turf is so important where the plane ended up. Within Vietnamese Air pace. Well over the water. It remains at 39,000 feet for for 20 minutes before the malay peninsula, how does that change, if at all, our working assumption of what we know happened to the plane . Well, it changes, i guess a lot of theories, shall we call it, of what people thought may have caused the plane to do what it did. And that is initially, people were theorizing its something nefarious was going on board. They had to make that lefthand turn after the handoff from the control, but before they entered Vietnamese Airspace because the theory, something doing somebody nefarious in the cockpit would want to make that change before being picked up by Vietnamese Airspace. Now, apparently, its not that at all. This actually happened in Vietnamese Airspace without them seeing anything. And then another set of altitude data, this is the third or fourth different set of altitude data. But again, it does not have them climbing orr descending down below the commercial traffic area. Which included components of where they got down and out of the way of other air traffic, to carry out whatever it was that people were theorizing they were carrying out. So i think once again, this changes a lot of assumptions that people had. But it doesnt change the basic facts in what happened to the aircraft and they have to find where it ended up. Does this tell you, mary, anything about the course of the investigation . I think we all go back and checked our notes. I was surprised to see yet another set of altitude data coming out. Making sure i had this correct this time of around. In the course of a typical crash investigation, does altitude and these kind of basic facts, it seems, does it change this much . No, it does not. And the reason it doesnt, in most investigations you do have a couple things that apparently are missing here. One is you have reliable air Traffic Control data. And at a minimum, you have the air Traffic Controllers voices on a air Traffic Control transcript or tape thats released. In the United States, thats public. Thats released. You can get the irTraffic Control communications. And you usually have a black box flight data recorder which would unequivocally tell you the altitude, Flight Control and placement and movement. Engine performance, you know what the engines are doing. We have none of that here. And, of course, most of all, why dont we have reliable reports from the several countries in the area whose radar the plane might have been captured upon. Still this many days, more than a month in, still wait for that kind of information. Mary, david, thanks so much. When we get back to you guys later in the show, i want to ask you what role the emergency locator transmitter, another bit of technology on this plane, what role that plays in this investigation. Well get back to you guys shortly in the show. Chris . Coming up on new day, the president of south korea suggests the captain and crew could have the blood of some 300 on their hands. Well give you the very latest on that disaster going on off the south korean coast. What more could the crew have done. Their transcripts. You listen, you decide. Plus how did a 16yearold survive for 16 hours hidden in the wheel well of an airplane. I guess the question is, could i teen survive . Now there are questions about Airport Security and other things. Hot breakfast options. Hampton, enjoy our free you did a great job. It looks good then fuel up with up to 9,000 hhonors bonus points on a long weekend stay. Make every stay more rewarding and feel the hamptonality. Welcome back to monday. Welcome back to new day. Lets take a look at your headlines. Breaking overnight, at least 30 militants have been killed in an operation targeting al qaeda in yemen. A Government Official tells cnn the operation is, quote, massive and unprecedented and is a joint operation between the u. S. And yemen. The strike was focused in southern yemen where Al Qaeda Leaders gathered recently. Four more crew members of the sunkle south korean ferry have been arrested. South koreas president said the actions of the captain and its crew were unacceptable and akin to murder. New video of the search has been released. You can seat murky conditions and low visibility facing crews. All you can see is the rope guiding them along. Vice President Joe Biden heading to ukraine. The visit is a show of support for eeverybodys interim government which is trying to fend off the government from the russians. This visit comes a day after the conflict again turned deadly. Prorussian groups say one of their road blocks in the east came under attack. Six people were killed in that shootout. Chris, those are your headlines. All right, mic, lets get back to the ferry now. We have the captain and crew of that ferry under intense scrutiny by the president and investigators. Theyre questioning what could have been done to save the passengers on board. Its a more difficult question than you might think. We have captain james staples with the ocean and sea maritime consultants. And also a Maritime Safety consultant. Captain, appreciate you being with us this morning. We have good schematics to help with the situation, but first, this is all about what happened and when. And to this point, we still dont know why this happened, right . Thats correct. And thats going to be a key component in assessing the actions of the crew, yes . Absolutely. Something to keep in mind, as damning as it seems we dont know how it started. Thats correct. Idea that a hard turn that could make a ship of this size capsize, does that sound odd to you . It is odd. Every ship should be able to take a turn left or right with no problem at all and remain with stability. Theres a lot of speculation about the turn but that doesnt make sense to you at this point . No, it doesnt. Lets take a look at what we understand. We start the voyage, zero degrees means youre up and down. Everythings good, right . Thats correct. They start going down. Take it back. Thanks for that. They start going down. Its foggy. The voyage is delayed two hours. Thats what theyre heading in in those conditions. Its were at 15 degrees. Okay. That would have been to be an natural list, right . Right, in those weather conditions they should not have rolled 15 degrees. Something happened. We dont know from the transcript that they communicated to your knowledge, youd be telling somebody . Absolutely, id be making the announcements. When the ship started going to 10 id be very concerned. And at 15, id say we better start doing this. And that aint just from turning the rudder . Well, she should straighten up quickly. Could you go 15 Degrees Turning the rudder . You could if you have marginal stability. Marginal stability meaning we would turn like that. Next so ten minutes or later or so, youre at 43 degrees. Yeah. This is not something thats going to happen just from normal conditions of piloting the ship . No. Absolutely, like we just saw at 15 degrees, if she had not returned back to her normal position then you know somethings wrong. Right. So as she continues to go over, thats when you make your announcements to get people evacuated. As you see, were talking ten minutes here, thats enough time to get people out of the ship and into an open area. The captain is very specific about two points. Whoever it is thats communicating. One, its too pitched to get people off. We cant use the boats. Its too hard for them to move. We cant move ourselves but for one step in the helm. Does that make sense . It would be very difficult at 43 degrees. When youre looking at Something Like this, youve got no other options, you have to move. You have to do something. Just staying there is not going to be good. The second thing that they pressed in the transcripts is, hey, are you sure these people are going to get picked up because these are fast currents, the waters cold. They seem to be expressing concern for those on board. Right. Not that this is lake of concern, theyre afraid that the people are going to go in the ware and theyre going to die there because of the current and temperature. Is that a Fair Assessment . Thats a legitimate concern. The temperature is very cold. The currents very quick. The thing to do in the very beginning was initially get the life rafts launched. If they had gotten into the water, they would have had some place to go. So the question was, did they have time before the pitch became extreme to get the boats in the water . Absolutely they did. Ten minutes from 15 to 43, absolutely, they did. The boat at 60 degrees. Obviously its now like going up a mountain. The question of when you did things and why. The transcript hasnt revealed that to us. Now, this issue, again, this is about the accountability of the captain and crew. Because we dont understand why this happened. Its not like Something Else hit it. They are communicating. This is basically where they were. South korea coming down this way. Even though you see the outlying things. On the actual chart map, they were in deep water, its good. Quick water. Theres nothing that made you think oh, youre going to hit a rock. Correct. They start communicating with the service thats not closest to them. Does that make a big difference in terms of the responsibility of the crew and the time its going to take to salvage . Well, they should have been in contact initially with jindo island. Thats here. Thats who they should have been talking to. But they werent. And they ended up talking down here. Is that a material difference, would this place communicate with that place . No, not necessarily. We have to look at it like air Traffic Control. When they contacted jeju island. And it doesnt work when you contact these guys, its not right for us, go back to them . Well, no. Because it didnt happen in the transcript. But they seem to be competently dealing with it. Oh, they are, theyre very competent. Theyre trying to get the situation aware, whats going on. Theyre focused with their area. And jindo is focused on their area. He already should have been in contact with jindo island. So while that is not the best performance, do you still suggest caution at this point before damning the captain and cry as to why this happened and why so many are going to die . Obviously, its not just the captain. Theres other reasons why this happened. We need to find out why the stability wasnt positive the whole voyage. We need to find out if there was fuel on board. Or cargo. There are many things we need to be aware. Its not just the captain. We dont know if hed been up all night long, going through fog. If he had just gone down to his room to relieve himself. He said he had to go down there to take care of something. Which leaves get he was in a Narrow Passage why would he leave to a mate. Important questions. Thank you, kate . Coming up next on new day, the bluefin back in the water but still no trace for flight 370. Officials say if they dont find anything this week. Theyll have to move the search area. So where to next . Also ahead, a 16yearolds daring flight how did he survive what he says was five hours hidden in the wheel well of an airplane. And what does this is a about Airport Security . mom when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. Its where she said her first word. little girl no saw her first day of school. little girl bye bye made a best friend forever. The back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. What . announcer the 2015 Subaru Forester girl what . announcer built to be there for your family. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. You created light. You are loved. Celebrated. But things have changed since you got into this business. At philips, were creating led light that people can color. Adjust. Even make beautiful sunsets. 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Jeff, lets work through, everyones working with the only information thats been released publicly. Theres a lot that investigators and analysts are working on privately behind closed doors as they now have released publicly. Lets work through what we know. Sure. Lets throw up the first animation to talk about the change in altitude and where that key left turn occurred. So were now told by a source is that it went up it made the left turn to head back over the mal acht y peninsula well over Vietnamese Airspace. And it maintained 39,000 feet for 20 minutes before deskrensed. Different from what weve been told. Why is this significant is, when we kind of talk about all of the assumptions that are required to try to figure out where they believe the plane went . Right. Once it made a left turn, we ascend into an increasing area of murkiness. The data we have becomes more uncertain. We heard earlier in the investigation it went to 45,000 feet. Exactly right. Now, were hearing 39,000. It seems more plausible. But its hard to know this altitude information has been conflicting and frankly, unreliable. Talking to mary schiavo earlier saying it shouldnt be. We shouldnt have this many conflicts information. The primary radar, the military radar scans up and down and it sees the plane off in the distance and its just a fundamentally unreliable source of information. I think thats why were having this problem. Also, its hard to know really what to make of it, if it did go to 39,000 feet, what does that tell us . About all of the theories . Of all of the theories. To narrow down the realm of possibilities. And that is as you describe it the first chapter of assumptions in this story, if you will, that plays out as it continues on its path, right . Thats right. I say the first chapter meaning, it had turned from its assigned heading to beijing, for the next couple of hours its still on malaysian radar. Its no longer broadcasting its identity. But just where its going the malaysian authorities assume its the same plane. And it heads across the peninsula, towards northwest to pyongyang island. Andy does it it go after that . Its a real fog of uncertainty. And you say they assume, to work through the sufrgss, there are so many assumptions that go into the calculation of where they believe the plane ended up. Right. Lets go through some of them. First you have the starting point and thats kind of the turn, right . And what would you say are kind of the beginning the flight path would you say are the questionable assumptions that people should be thinking about . Well, some people are thinking we really know that the malaysian authorities are correct in assuming this anonymous track from pyongyang is really mh370. Lets assume that it is. Once it disappears from of radar, we only have one source of the fate of the aircraft. Thats the ping. Every our or so, kind of an a regular basis, it transported a handshake. It responded with the pings. But for the mere fact it took to get back from the satellite and from the frequency taking place. We know three things. The time of the transmission. The distance between the satellite and the plane and the relative velocity. Youre talking about thats a better assumption. We assume that the speed of the plane is going 450 knots, correct . We dont need to make that assumption. We can tell the distance that the plane as at various times. 8 11 when the last of these were transmitted, we know it was on a circle across the surface of the globe. Theres like to 3,000 mile from the satellites. So if theyre off on that distance, what does that do to where we believe the plane ended up when were talking about the pings down here . The problem is, this a huge area of earths surface. Its an entire circumstance that goes all the way around. Now, if you plug into this analysis a speed that the plane was traveling at, that gives us a point on that. Heres the Million Dollar question, originally, you remember a long time ago, weeks ago, they started searching a surface of southwestern perth. Yep. And the Prime Minister said he got on and said thats the best guess. That was based on a speed assumption of 450 knots more or less. Thats why were looking at that area. They thought, okay, this is the speed that a plane would travel at under normal circumstances. Lets assume its at that point on the arc. Then as time goes on, they didnt find any debris, they shifted the search more northerly in the location, that would imply a slower speed. So the assumptions change, it really vastly changes the search area . Right. They believe theyve got their best lead right now in the search area. Well see if they pick anything up. That could seemingly be it. Thanks, jeff. Next up on new day, a 16yearold boy apparently hitches a ride from a flight from california to hawaii. You wont believe how he was traveling, though. 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They honor both the heroes and the survivors while also paying tribute to the lives that were lost. And as far as the game goes, the red sox pulled off a dramatic win they rallied with five runs down with two outs in the ninth. Dustin pedroia, a wild throw. What a great end to an amazing day at fenway park. And last nights rocket very trail blazers was the most thrilling. The blazers were down by 13 in the fourth quarter. They rallied back to force overtime. Thats when portlands Damian Lillard took over. They steal one from the rocket, 122120. Eight playoff games that were played this weekend, five road teams won. Mikaela, over to you. I have to stay up and watch the nba playoffs . I have a job to do. I want to take you to a story thats almost too incredible to believe. A lot of us are scratching our heads about this. The fbi is investigation a teen stowaway they say traveled from san jose, california, to maui. The teen made that trip despite oxygen. We want to explore the possibilities of surviving Something Like this with michael ray an aviation analysis. Were scratching our heads with this. Good morning. A pleasure to see you. We thought wed look at the wheel well of a landing gear. This is 737. He was stowed away on a 767. How different are they . Just in terms of physical size, a 767 is a lot bigger than a 737. The size of the undercarriage, its a lot longer. So theres a little bit more room in this wheel well . 00 why envision. Ive not actually been inside both but you would envision a bigger aircraft with a bigger compartment would have that. Tell me how to get there, or skipped security to get, but being inside this compartment, tell us what all is here, and could he potentially cause damage to the plane just having a human body in that space . This is a brilliant picture and it shows all the complexities inside the compartment. Youve got hydraulic lines. Electronics. Fluid systems where youve got reservoirs. I mean, theres a lot going on in here. Anyone climbing up into it, isnt familiar with it a stowaway, could potentially be putting their hand on hydraulic line or damage the airplane. And potentially threaten the lives of passengers on board . Absolutely. His goal was to run away from home to stow away. He wasnt looking to cause any damage. The second is, how about security, people on twister going crazy. Apparently, security video of him scaling a fence and climbing up into this. Yeah, this is say huge aspect. Look at mh370 at the moment. Airport security is absolutely vital. And i still think in this day and age, this is a perfect example that there are still holes within security. Not necessarily at the major airports like your jfks your l. A. X. S, but the smaller airport. Im amazed an international airport. It is. If someone can climb inside her, somebody could put something a little more sinister in here. Thats the connection that Security Officials need to make. Lets just talk about the physical survivability of this. What would any person, a 16yearold who had his health on his side what would he be up against physically . The two hs. Hypoxia and hyperthermia. Lets look at the two hs. 38,000 feet. The aircraft generally travels between 38,000 feet. What happened to the body at 38,000 feet . As you go above 10,000 feet you go into something called hypoxia which is a starvation of oxygen. And the person will slowly slip into unconsciousness. And do you suffocate at this point . Youre unconscious at this point. Not theres Something Else going on because of the altitude, minus 80 degrees fahrenheit. You would freeze to death. It is freezing, but that has its benefits in terms of what it does, it preserves the Central Nervous system. So youve drifted unconsciousness. Youre preserving through depreciation of temperature in the Central Nervous system. So youre in state of preservation effectively. Now, hes 16 years old. Youve got a strong heart. And at the very least, he would expect frostbite. He did say he was unconscious for a time. But apparently, he doesnt have any serious medical concerns after this. Were all scratches our heads. You can believe it. I cant. If you go to london there was an angola man found crumpled on the street. In final approach to heathrow when the under carriage deploys hes fallen altitude and crumpled out into the street. This is a staerging tale of survival. Michael, thank you. Good to see you. Chris . Were following an ongoing strike against al qaeda and yemen. And we have new information about the ship tragedy. As many as 300 lives could be lost. And the government has been quick to blame the crew. Are they right . And aed flight 370 investigation seems to be changing its story again. So lets get to it. The actions of the captain and crew described as akin to murder. Those crew members were arrested today. A massive unprecedented operation targeting al qaeda. 30 militants have been killed. These are joint u. S. And yemeniled attacks against al qaeda. There have been 21 currently on its ninth mission, with no signs of the plane so far. The search will continue. The eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th marathon. Good morning. Welcome to new day. Its monday, april 21st, now 7 00 in the east. Were learning that the captain of that sunken south korea ferry is facing five additional charges include ago ban donning ship. Those charges could land him in prison for life. Meanwhile south koreas president is calling the actions akin to murder. The death toll, of course, rising. 65 bodies have been located. 237 are still in all likelihood inside the body of that ship. Cnns Paula Hancocks is live in jindo, south korea. Paula . Reporter well, chris, we have very new information into us the past minutes. Cnn has spoken to the captain of the search. They are still working on the assumption they may find survivors. He said they havent found any air pockets within the ship but theres still a possibility there may be air pockets because the ferry has not sunk completely. He said at this point its about 30 to 50 feet below the surface. And saying its maintaining its floating level at this point. This will obviously give hope those desperate families wanting to know whether or not their loved ones are alive or dead but this is the sixth night were going into since that disaster happened. So clearly, hope is fading. As far as the operation is concerned its still very much a search and rescue operation. The captains as you say, now has five charges against him including negligence. So does the third mate at the helm at the time of the accident. The driver wasnt even at the steering wheel. The driver was in his own personal room. We are hearing theyve been demonized by the president of this country park geunhye saying what theyve done is akin to murder. Kate, back to you. Paula, thank you for your update. Also happening right now a joint u. S. yemeni operation is currently under way in yemen. The strikes have been called massive and unpress sar denteun. Joining us cnn chief security personnel jim sciutto. And analyst and Homeland Security adviser fran townsend. Good morning to you both. Jim, first you, this comes after weve seen the images that sparking a massive gathering of aqap. Is anyone connecting these two things quite yet . The video we saw was startling to everyone and then this massive unprecedented strike . No individuals making that. It shows al qaeda presence in yemen. And its an ongoing threat. Theyve known about it for some time. And as fran and i have discussed the u. S. Is not going to allocate resources the yemenis are not going to allocate resources but as said, this san embarrassment to show their strength there and again a reminder to show its a threat. Is it fair to say these two things are connected, fran . Necessarily. They wouldnt have taken the shot. And to jims point, what would have been required to launch this operation, drones, manpower, all of that, specific intelligence of highvalue targets to justify the resources. Who could the highvalley resources be . The number bun is al asiri. Hes responsible for the underware bomb and the greatest threat to u. S. National interest and security. So the big question is, hes certainly the target of an operation like this. Have they got him . Will they get him . And no yemeni officials are saying. You talk to intelligence officials, what is al qaeda today . Its very different than at 9 11. Its a diverse threat. A franchise kind of threat. Its not just core al qaeda as we know in pakistan formerly led by bin laden. But you have the related groups, al qaeda, based in yemen and other groups in north africa, et cetera, more diffuse, maybe less ambitious, maybe less able to carry out largescale attacks but setting its sight on smaller taxi and because its more diverse and more dispersed harder to keep track of and it requires these kind of operations in places like yemen drone strikes, etsz. When you describe it that way, which is on youfl the right way to describing it, some watching might say it doesnt seem like much of a threat. Aqap has been a growing threat. A big problem for the administration. How big of a problem is it if theyre not maybe going after the largescale attacks but still a huge threat . Well, when john brennan was in the white house job and even the cia director, jim claerp, the director of intelligence, referring to the group targeted near yemen as the single greatest most capable threat against the u. S. And u. S. Interests around the world. And i think thats right, al asiri, this bombmaker is one of the reasons. Second is, because theyre able to project their power outside of yemen where these operations are going on in the south, right near the port of aiden, you know, you dont realize, its a real hub. You got extremists from africa, off the coast of africa and somalia. Youve got them collecting from the Arabian Peninsula there. There really is infrastructure within yemen. And theyre always refining their tactics. You remember a couple months ago we had a new threat alert that they had somehow refined shoe bombs to get past the detection we have at the airports. Thats tied right back to al asiri. These are threats to the u. S. They want to get a shoe bomb on an american airplane. Its something they attempted before and nearly had success. With the underwear bomber five years or so ago. This is a direct threat which is why the u. S. Is on top of this. Use of drone strikes is controversial because of the concern and real possibility of collateral damage. You said earlier in the show there were three civilians killed during the ongoing operation. What does this potentially do to u. S. yemeni relations . We know its had a bad impact on relations with pakistan. Well, one, youve got to realize that president hadi of yemen it shows real courage on his part. It also show, the fact that this is an ongoing effort with such massive resources behind it tells you that the target say very high target. You dont commit the yemeni army, you dont commit the drones, without the target being very real. Its worth saying theres a whole targeting process that three casualties in this sort of drone strike are actually quite unusual. You dont see often that level of collateral damage. Why . Because these are precision weapons. Theyre supported by very specific intelligence. And so, this its tragic. You have one civilian casualty, its tragic. But theyve really refined the process to reduce those civilian karn casualties. Because when we had those, theres a real strain in relations and it puts pressure on that. Typically when we see drone strikes its a oneup. You hear about it later. A report of one week hit. This is over a couple of days that weve been reporting over the weekend. And now this massive ground operation by yemeni forces, a twoyear point, but clearly Something Big theyre going after. Were going to be watching it. Fran, jim, thank you so much. And with the flight at least in terms of combing the area, bluefin 21 is on its ninth trip to the indian ocean and its running out of places look. Officials say twothirds of the underwater search has been covered sill no sign of the missing jetliner. Cnns Erin Mclaughlin is in perth with more. Erin . Reporter good morning, chris. Well, with the majority of this narrow search area now ruled out, all eyes on bluefin 21. As people waiting, watching, ho hoping, even paying mh370 is found. The search for flight 370 is at a critical juncture. Investigators say now only days away from completing the targeted search area. With no sign of debris. I appeal to everybody around the world to pray and pray hard. That we find something to work on over the next couple of days. Reporter the bluefin 21, back in the water this morning. The search area six miles in radius, represents the best guess as to where the plane may be. If nothing is found, that search area is set to widen dramatically. Whatever the outcome of the next few days, we need to regroup and reconsider the operations. It doesnt mean that we are going to stop the operations. Reporter over the weekend, investigators also amending crucial information. About how they now believe the plane flew. Investigators say once flight 370 made its initial left turn, deviating from the planned routes, the aircraft climbed to 39,000 feet for about 20 minutes over malaysia. Dipping in altitude over the indian ocean. Malaysian officials believe the plane flew for about another six hours before crashing. Searchers say that bluefin will have scanned the entire narrowed area by weeks end. Thats if it performs as expected. And if the weather holds which say big if given there a cyclone named jack currently to the north of the search operation. Michaela . We know how weather can affect those search efforts. Lets take a look at headlines right now. Vice President Biden is landing in ukraine this morning. Hes going to hold meetings with members of the kievs interim government. The conflict turned deadly again sunday. Six people were killed in a shootout. Prorussian groups say it started when one of those road blocks in the east came under attack. The entire climbing season on mt. Everest could be cancelled after last weeks deadly avalanche. Thats because the knivive sherpas who guide climbers up the tallest mountain are threatening to go on strike. At least 13 sherpa guides died as they prepared to get the route are the for summit. The Sherpa Community is upset with nepals plans to compensate the families. Barely equivalent to 400. And a new study published this morning show that many doctors still prescribing codeine for children despite concerns. They found just a small bit in codeine prescriptions tour colds, coughs and pain. The studys lead author said the could have effects for children but for many no effect at all. As we all know today, at 26. 2mile stretch of boston and the vicinity might just be the safest place on earth. Why . Security extremely tight for the 118th running of the Boston Marathon. The first, of course, since last years bombings. Our john berman live in hopkinton, massachusetts. You were there for the worst and now what youre hoping will be the best. How is it up there, j. B. . Reporter it is the best. Spirits incredibly high here, chris. I see nothing but smiles on everyones face. I was talking to the Operations Director a short while ago. You could see him bursting with anticipation of the race to get going. Many starting ways, why . Because 36,000 runner lou dobbs in this years race. Thats up 9,000 from last year. And theyll be running amidst incredibly tight security. As you said, unprecedented in many places. Officials calling this is the safest place on earth today. In just the last few minutes i saw state police behind me. I saw national guard. I saw helicopters flying overhead. This is in addition to what were not seeing. What were not meant to see, 100 cameras, more than ever before, lining the route monitoring almost all of this race course. You cant monitor every inch of a 26. 2mile race. But they have sights and eyes on all the key locations. They are confident this will go off very well. Theyre asking runners, no backpacks on the race course itself. No camelbacks, that water you carry on your back. That will not be aloud this year. Racers will not be allowed to wear costumes or masks. Every once in a while, you see that in a marathon. Not here. Not today. They just dont want to take it risk. As for the fans, theyve been told, if you can, leave the big backpacks and strollers at home. Youll have the security personnel much easier if you do your part and chip in. And everyone here does want to chip in. Theyre expecting 1 Million People or more to line this race. That would be the biggest crowd ever here. Ive talked to a lot of people here, friends, family, survivors, they all want to be part of this race today. This is a very important day to turn the page. As one runner told me to change from tears of pain to tears of joy. Chris, kate . Absolutely. Its going to be such an amazing day. And emotional day for so many there. Were going to watch it with you, john. Thank you so much. Its great to see all the life and happiness going on behind him. I think its very instructive that theyre not expecting the most runners ever. But they are expecting the most spectators ever. And that Shows Confidence in the community surrounding. I went up there and i have some surprises for the guys later on in the show what i brought them back from the land of boston strong. Presents or what . Yes. Coming up next on new day, the search for flight 370, the underwater vehicle, the bluefin 21 has already covered more than twothirds of the area. The focus. And right now, it faces yet another obstacle. Well have that ahead. And then on inside politics intrigue, why are some democrats pushing 80yearold Ruth Bader Ginsburg to step down. Who do the demes want to replace her . Road construction, and gaping potholes. So with all that behind you, you might want to make sure youre safe and in control. 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How do you explain the analysis continuing to change when the underlying information isnt . Is this about disclosure or about competency . Well, im going to be charitable and say its about disclosure. The problem is, this is now the third or fourth set of data about what happened in that crucial time between the last radio transmission and when it appears off of the you know, after the straits, past indonesia, actually, the turn around in indonesia. So weve had different reports on altitude. Different reports on what was going on. The latest report now casts doubts on the previous reports because the latest information has its turn to the left turning in Vietnamese Airspace. You remember, a lot of the theories surfaced on whatever happened in the cockpit, whoever is making the decisions decided to make that turn after the handoff from air Traffic Control of malaysia but before they entered Vietnamese Airspace. And the altitude to descend 10 to 5,000 feet is out the window. So we still dont have definitive information but the story changes once again. But its not that easy because the switch from 49,000 feet to 39, that might not be material difference but it fueled all the conspiracy theories and damnation of the pilot and copilot. There was subterfuge and that came out of the investigation. They now have changed their analysis. Do they owe the families an apology . David gallo, ill put this part to you, the numbers have changed. Shouldnt they be saying more than that . Yeah, one thing is clear, they need a better communication strategy because they really are having a tough time getting the right word out and not getting everyone upset by what seems to be contradict tear and sometimes, spreading misinformation. But you know the only witness to what happened during this flight are the black box yous. We need to find that and get the black boxes where the answers will be. This is bifurcated, right. This is separate, theres two different searches and the information that keeps changing. That is one aspect. Bad for the families but not necessarily for the search. Lets get to the search. Twothirds covered. They dont see anything yet. Is this a scary notion they may be in the wrong place, david . Air france 447, it took us ten weeks total. Ten weeks on the water. They spent two months searching the wrong haystack. And that was horrible. Theyve got a third of the area looked at. Im sure theyve got all the bugs worked out. Theyre operating at tauf efficiency right now so we have to wait and see. Cyclone, another word for hurricane. Thats not going to affect the bluefin 21 but how much they can search. You already have people fatigued after 40plus days of these flights. Ships have been careful about the ocean so thats going slow things down obviously not worthy of discussion. But what is, mary, the elt is not working. We i specifically keep bashing that the planes dont have enough equipment to be found. But they do have the elts and none of them would have activated when they hit the water suggests what exactly . Well, it suggests many things, at least weve finally got from the malaysian authorities confirmation apparent confirmation, there were four of them on the plane. The location of them on the plane. Four out of four failed to activate and the water is troubling. Its trouble to anyone. The explanations are maybe its so far, so deep under the water, they just arent able to pick up the signals and satellite, and that they all four, this is hard to believe, that they failed to function when they hit the water. That caused people to believe that the next assumption was it didnt hit the water. Whatever the reason, its a mystery about how four cannot work. Failed to send the signal. Elt is emergency locator transmitter. They transmit a signal to satellites when they hit water. They didnt here. Now its going to fuel a new round of conspiracy here that the plane is in a hangar somewhere. But all it is an exactitude to follow up. Its horrible. We dont know what it means. Once again, troubling that these devices did not indicate what it theyre supposed to do if the plane hit the water. Mary, david, thank you very much. Kate . Coming up on new day, more on the flight 370 mystery. Weve mentioned that the plane had four special beacons i guess you could call them, designed to send signals after the crash. Why didnt any of them work . Were going to continue to explore that. And then on inside politics, well go to kansas as High School Students are against Michelle Obama as high school speaker. They say it isnt her politics that has them frustrated. Well find out why. It like two deals in one. Les salesperson 1 point is theres never been a better time to buy a jetta tdi clean diesel. Avo during the first ever volkswagen tdi clean diesel event, get a great deal on a jetta tdi. 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S. And yemen. The operation has been called massive and unpraes sa dented. That is in an area where 100 al qaeda members gathered recently. Bluefin 21ed underwater drone scanning the ocean floor for any trace of the mission jetliner began its ninth mission. So far bluefin 21 has searched more than twothirds of its intended area without finding any signs of the missing planes. Kraft recalling nearly 100,000 pound of oscar mayer hot dogs because the packages are labeled wrong. Apparently theyre actually cheez dogs but the list of ingredients does not reflect that. It was distributed throughout the u. S. Concerned for allergies, i guess. When youre afraid of a cheese dog, you know the world is not right. Im afraid of a cheese dog. Oh, not me. Lets get to inside politics on new day with mr. John king. I hope easter was plentiful. Easter was great. Have you guys seen bermans tweets. Thats what hes been eating at the starting line at the marathon. Berman has been missing those cheese dogs all morning. Fine, ill try it. If john berman is into it then ill try one. His body is a temple. Lets go inside politicspy busy monday with me. Julie pace of the associated press. Alexander burns of politico. Lets start with the Vice President. Hes on his way to ukraine. More and more criticism of the administration. I dont know what list of options they have, bob corker a Ranking Member on Foreign Relations committee in the senate. Jake tapper showed the lead on friday help was talking lets be more muscular. Maybe some arms to the rebels. He has a plan that Vladimir Putin is a slow and steady plan. I think russias going to do it over time. The way theyre doing it with black ops intimidation. I think were going to lose Eastern Ukraine if we continue as we are and i think its a geopolitical disaster. Well, short term, long term, what is it the presidency hopes to accomplish . What it mean for Mission Information the ukraine over the next day or two is to reassure the government in kiev that they have u. S. Support that they will offer assistance leading up to the may 23rd elections. Long term, is this say little tricky for the administration because you have essentially a diplomatic relationship between ukraine and europe. Its very tenuous. You have people, not just people like bob corker, but some people in the white house who say we need to ramp up sanctions. We need to do something now to prevent putin from doing what bob corker is talk talking about which is taking the ukraine. Sanctions is one thing. When you hear about providing arms, if youve watched out this played out they dont seem very organized. The protesters show up. The police are evacuating buildings. There support on capitol hill for arms . I dont know there is, john. This situation is not quite syria. But you do get some flashbacks in the sense you have the bob corkers and john mccains of the world arguing for more muscular response. And you dont see a huge parade of republicans on the capitol hill marching behind. If that changes within the next few years, thats a sign. Lets bring in the supreme court. And now a while, over the weekend, the retired Justice John Paul stevens was out talking and he said that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 80 years old. Two bouts with cancer. He said she has sought his advice, whenever to go or stay. When you think about leading youre thinking politics. Youre interested in the job and the kind of work thats done, you have to have an interest in who is going to fill your shoes. I guess we assume that happens. To have a retired justice say, of course, youre thinking about going. Whos the president . Whats the lineup in the senate . Who would my successor be . Is this an active conversation in the white house . I think its fascinating to hear Justice Stevens say that, we look for clue, but its rare to have someone say things that plainly. At the white house, theres always a list of possible nominees because these things can come up pretty quickly. I believe they probably expect one more seat to fill over the next 2 1 2 years. There will be a list. You say for the next 2 1 2 years. But as a real possibility the republicans take the senate in november. If youre president obama, youre thinking i may get one, maybe two, lets think about one more pick, do you want it to happen now in the short term when you know harry reid is the majority leader or deal with the election . I think for your legacy, you probably want to to happen sooner so you can get somebody through the democratic election. Democrats want to shake up this race in some way but im not sure a contentious battle over social issues is the way they want to do it. A couple of endangered republicans might not want to talk about this on the campaign trial. Mitch mcconnell continue leader as a primary challenge. Hes hoping this gets past the primary. Elizabeth warren is not, underline not, one more time, underline not, running for president. Shes a freshman senator from massachusetts. Shes a darling as a liberal because of the wall street action. She has a book tour. Listen to her on cnn saying no, no, and i mean no. Im not running for president. Im not running for president. You can ask it lots of different ways. You can ask it lots of different ways, alex. And i think a lot of the reasons people are asking Elizabeth Warren a lot of different ways is there was another freshman senator back in 2006 at this point, i think his name is barack obama. No, you can ask me a lot of ways, no. After the midterm in 2006. He started to say maybe. And the maybe quickly became yes. Elizabeth warren, do people think theyre possible . Theyre not running until they are, right . Part of the reason this book tour is so significant because warren has been so controlled and disciplined and cloistered as a senator, really not out there talk to get press and pushing a national message. If you look at where shes going places like new york, boston seattle, los angeles, thats a democratic base. Waiting low key to a senate career, Hillary Clinton. Hmm. The only chance she does run if hillary does not run . Is that fair . Yeah, i think thats fair for most democrats who are in this position. They want to be asked the question, they want to say no but they want to keep their name out there just in case Hillary Clinton decides not to run. And 2006, after the midterms, young senator obama signed books. And his answer changed. You might remember when barack obama was running for president against john kerry, he said theres no right america. No blue america, theres just one america. Michelle obama is scheduled to give a commencement address for half dozen students in kansas, the topeka area. Theres been a bit of controversy, some people saying the first lady may overshadow my childs first day. The legitimate question is how many ticket douse get with a secure environmented. The School Districts now say you can get six tickets to come. Is this a big deal . She wants to celebrate. The commencement will be at the 60th anniversary of brown versus board of education case. Yeah, the way this is billed at the white house. Its a celebration. An historic 340e789 for the first lady go out there. It will be interesting to see what happens in the community now that they have solved the ticket issue. If people look for another reason to try to not have her come or if this does actually die down. A lot of parents weve seen quoted in ap stories and elsewhere have avoided talking politics overtly, politics is every. Politics is everywhere. Its one of the reddest states. Cant we agree having the first lady come to your high school, that would be cool, correct . I would expect that laura bush decided to come up to the high school where i grew up, wed have a similar response. Thanks for coming in. Now that they have the tickets, now you that can get six tickets, kaye, chris, and michaela. My daughter hannah graduates in a few weeks i cant get six. Wait, pause, pause, pause, hannah is about to graduate from high school . She is. Oh, my gosh you thats exciting. Thats why it stays in. Hold it together, john. Hold it john. Thats amazing achievement. The whole goal of rising them right that they get to these milestones. Give yourself a pat on the back, handsome man. There you go, pat on the back. Coming up next on new day, the mystery draws on, four emergency beacons on flight 370s designed to send a stress signal after the cash, what did it mean . And when the bombs went off, unlikely at the marathon. And there are gifts for the ladies on the show. 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Its the impact that makes it emit a distress signal, right . The fuselage, that means really back by the tail. So, yeah, when the plane hits something, when theres a deceleration, essentially, when you get a gforce thats strong. Not a hard landing but something more significant than that, then it can activate it, send out a signal. The one on the door, in the life raft, those activate when the life raft is deployed. Theyll go with the life raft . Exactly. Lets move on to tell how it actually works. How does it send signal, how does that work . You can draw. The newer models, you got the satellite in space sending a signal to the gps. The unit know its where it is. Sending a signal back out into space, saying here i am. Heres my location. Heres who i am. And then so the authorities who then receive a signal from the satellite to the tower. To the tower. And then youve got, a rescue Network Becomes activated. And they know exactly where to go. Now, they know whos in trouble, they know where theyre in trouble and they can really spring into action. But then heres the question, though, why were did no distress signals emitted from the elts aboard this plane . Exactly. Thats the question. All of these elts, why didnt authorities receive a signal. Theres a bunch of different questions. These units are, in brochures, they put out in these units for use over land. Over land . Whats the point of having them in the for and aft door when youre in water . Why wouldnt it work under water . If you go plunging under water, why wouldnt that go . Its not going to have time. But these things will activate within a second, though. Upon impact. Upon impact. If its already deep under water or if the impact is so strong now, these are hardy, stuff units designed in a crash, if youre going mach 1, meaning the speed of sound into a surface, boom, you can disintegrate. These are not devices that can be deactivated. We know the acar was turns off . Thats right. They cannot be switched off . Thats right. Remember, these are designed not to go off in the case of a hard landing you remember the miracle on the hudson, when captain sullenburger landed he landed gently. And they didnt activate. So too gentle, too harsh, either way, the elt is isnt going to activate. This is the afn, the 777s have this aboard but boeing and the faa wont confirm this is that model. Right. Older models which dont send this information and have a higher failure rate. Higher meaning what . As high as 50 . Youre kidding. Yes, you remember the case where Steve Fossett went missing, his elt didnt activate either. This is one of the questions the families have, the 26 questions, why they did not get data from the elts. Jeff wise, thanks for walking us through that. With all the conspiracy, the news of the elts didnt go off. The best we can test the theories. Coming up on new day, Marathon Sports in boston, the store that became a triage point, rallying point and birth place of boston strong. We take you back there and bring back very special surprises, straight ahead. Through lately. Polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. So with all that behind you, you might want to make sure youre safe and in control. Ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle. Get up to 120 in mailin rebates on four select tires when you use the Ford Service Credit card at the big tire event. See what the ford experts think about your tires. At your ford dealer. Be a sound sleeper, or. L you a mouth breather . Well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38 more than allergy medicines alone. So you can breathe and sleep. Shut your mouth and sleep right. Breathe right. Help keep teeth clean and breath fresh. With beneful healthy smile snacks. With soft meaty centers and teeth cleaning texture,its dental that tastes so good. Beneful healthy smile food and snacks. Welcome back. We are all boston strong. I have on my bracelet that says boston strong, our heroes above the banner. What many may not know and should never forget is how the phrase came to be. It was born of the worst, an explosion outside the door of a Sporting Goods store that became the last best hope for the wounded and then became a place that means so much more. For almost 40 years Marathon Sports has been a fixture in boston. On april 15, 2013, a bomb exploded right out front and what happened next would make this place much more than a store. I think that might be Marathon Sports. Im not sure. You can see they also went right into there. Reporter if we look back a year ago, a year ago what was it like out here . On that tragic day everything was as normal and then the explosion went off and, as you know yourself, a whole lot of chaos happened afterwards. And literally wound up spilling right into the store. Spilling right into the store. Oh, my god. Reporter assistant manager kevin dillon says within seconds the store became a mick shift er. Tshirts became tournaments. Tshirts were taken off the clothing racks to try to stop some of the bleeding, but also to comfort the people in that position. Were looking at the guys, i think they were very brave on the day. You never know whether its going to be a second or third device afterwards. They ran straight out here and helped as much as they could. Certainly one girl was bleeding outright here on the floor and a tourniquet saved her life. Were very proud to say they acted on the way they did on that day. Reporter like the rest of the city, the store would rebound quickly. I remember about ten days later, marathon place opens back up. What was it like when the store opened up . It was a little erie, there was almost like a semicircle of shoppers, pedestrians, film crew and cameras were all standing there. We opened the door. At first people were very respectful and stood back and werent sure if they should come in. We said no, no, come back in. Were back open for business. From that moment people poured in. Reporter they never stopped. What was once a store was now a symbol of resilience that captivated a nation, boston strong. You couldnt have come up with a better word, boston strong. It reunited the whole city. For me and all the people at Marathon Sports, we were very privileged and proud to be part of. You got me in the store. Even in new york, Everybody Loves boston right now. Im here. I want to support. Im buying the bracelets. Ill get one for everybody on the crew. Weve got to get the tshirt. I cant green. Its too much. Because he doesnt want to support the irish. The irish is fine. Double xl. Weve got a small. Im going to get one for mik and one for kate. I have to get kate a little bigger, wearing for two. Want to make sure ive got the rght sizes. For kevin and the rest of the Marathon Sports family, boston strong means taking the past and using it as motivation to move for wafd. More together than ever. Were trying to look forward to all the people out there running this marathon this year, theres a lot of people that run it for maybe Different Reasons than they would have done in the past. They run it to make a stand, they run it to be boston as one. Were all boston strong now. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Isnt that nice . Youve got your bracelets, boston strong, our heroes and your boston strong for you, xl, and its stretchy material. I was looking for one that said future marathoner, but they didnt have it. I got you the one that says keep calm and marath don. Its cool. The fact that one year theyre theyre already back open. They reopened ten days later. Berman and i were there, couldnt believe the store was opening. It had been so much just for the staff. Im sure they needed to. When youve gone through any trau trauma, you need to get back to work. Kevin was saying the tshirts at the store became tourniquets. They saved peoples lives. There were people bleeding out in front of that store. They stepped up. They moved the barriers out of the way. They deserve every accolade they get. They deserve being one of the parts of boston strong that started the movement. This is much more than a tshirt. It got a new yorker into boston. Its true. Let me tell you, it was ugly in there. He wouldnt allow green. The green, the celtics, i couldnt do it. I love them. But loves got limits. I couldnt do it. But i was happy to be there. Happy to wear it. In that city, 600,000 of the toughest people youll ever meet in your lives. More together than ever. Because we want people to remember what happened out there, so you can appreciate how strong they are moving forward. Be sure to watch a cnn special report tonight, back to boston, moments of impact. 10 00 p. M. Eastern, of course only on cnn. Up next on new day, the death toll is rising and so is the list of charges against the captain and crew. Well have the very latest on the ferry disaster in south korea still unfolding. The bluefin sub almost finished looking through the search area currently designated. No sign of flight 370. Then what . Whats the next plan here . Whats the next plan here . Well tell you straight ahead. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com to buy a passat tdi clean diesel. Husband so its like two deals in one . Salesperson 2 exactly. Avo during the first ever volkswagen tdi clean diesel event, get a great deal on a passat tdi, that gets up to 795 highway miles per tank. And get a 1,000 fuel reward card. Its like two deals in one. 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Officials say if they dont find anything in coming days, theyll have to move the search area. Where to next. The Boston Marathon set to start in one hour. Thousands of runners showing the true definition of boston strong. The biggest security presence ever for the race. Were live at the starting line. Your new day continues right now. Good morning and welcome to new day once again. Its monday, april 21st, 8 00 in the east. Were learning this morning what the captain of the sunken south korean ferry is facing, five criminal charges including abandoning ship. Four members of his crew were also arrested overnight. This morning south koreas president is voicing outrage at the crews actions when the ship carrying hundreds of High School Students and many others began to list and go under. Lets get the latest from cnns Paula Hancocks in jindo, south korea. Reporter they say they have found no air pockets but they believe there still could be air pockets because it hasnt completely sunk. Its potentially giving parents some hope. Reporter the morning the investigation into what went wrong is ramping up. Four additional crew members arrested overnight as the countrys president blasts the ships captain directly, calling his actions, quote, akin to murder. Hes charged with negligence. His third officer at the helm. Prosecutors accuse him of failing to slow the ship down. Newly released calls between an unidentified crew member and boat Traffic Control shed new light on exactly what happened. Our ship is in danger he says. The ship is rolling right now. By that time the ship had already tilted too far for the majority of passengers to move or to deploy life boats. Five minutes later boat Traffic Control urged the unidentified crew number on the radio to prepare for evacuation saying please put on the live vests and get ready as people may have to abandon ship. After 30 minutes, boat traffic encouraged the captain to take charge and make the final decision to escape. The crew mep member questioned the retreat asking if passengers would immediately be rescued. Now the grim task of retrieving the dead continues as families in grief and anguish await for news. A heartbreaking scene going on behind me. An official right now is on the loud speaker describing the bodies that have been coming in through out the day, the height, the gender, clothes they are wearing. Families are crowded around him waiting to hear if they recognize their child. Back to you, chris. Thats just terrible, paula. The need for answers cant come soon enough. Lets turn to the other mystery. The bluefin21, the underwater drone looking for flight 370 is back in the water for its ninth mission. So far nothing, more than twothirds of the underwater search area covered, the question becomes whats next . Cnns Erin Mclaughlin is in perth, australia, with more. Reporter good morning, chris. The next few days are really important. This is the most likely place where they believe theyll find the black box, that based on a very limited set of information that focuses on the second ping that was detected on april 8th. It was the strongest of the four signals, picked up by that american operated towed pinger locater. It lasted a total of 13 minutes. What theyre doing right now is searching in a sixmile radius around that point. Theyre about twothirds of the way done. They have another third to go. Australian officials here saying they expect to complete that search within the week. That is if the bluefin operates as expected and if the weather holds. The weather could be a factor considering there is a Tropical Cyclone named jack currently to the northwest of the search field. Forecasters telling me its moving southeast in the general direction of the search, but they do not believe they believe by the time it arrives, it will have broken up substantially. It could bring rain and wind. It could impact the ochlths it wasnt having an effect today. The bluefin21 back in the water for its ninth dive this morning. Kate . Erin live in perth, australia, thank you so much. Vice President Biden is set to arrive in ukraine this morning. Hees going to meet with kievs interim leaders as a show of support for ukraine as it tries to ward off aggression from russia. Bidens visit comes a day after six people were killed in a shootout after prorussian groups say one of their roadblocks came under attack. Cnns Michelle Kosinski is live at the white house with more. We are seeing that this tension is becoming more deadly by the day, michelle. A hughes task ahead for Vice President biden. Reporter thats the question. Is it escalation or deescalation . It seems to be different at different times. This will be a brief trip for the Vice President. He arrives today, stays through tomorrow morning. First hes going to meet with u. S. Embassy staff there and then with top leaders in ukraines new government. The administration has framed this as an important highlevel visit from the u. S. To reaffirm support for ukraine at such a critical time. Support, of course, so far, has not been military. Its been political and economic. It comes just as expanded u. S. Sanctions against russia seem eminent. Since theres no visible deescalation on the part of russia even after it signed an agreement to do so last week. In fact, now russia is blaming ukraine for not deescalating it. For biden, this goes along with his expanded Foreign Policy role during obamas second term as well as looking forward to 2016 and his own possible president ial run. Michaela . Michelle kosinski, thank you so much. At least 30 al qaeda militants are dead in a targeted operation under way in yemen. A Government Official tells cnn that the operation is, quote, massive and unprecedented in a joint venture between the u. S. And yemen. Breaking overnight, a 16yearold boy is recovering this morning after apparently stowing away in the wheel well of an airliner headed toward hawaii, a Hawaiian Airlines flight. He made it all the way from california to maui. Some are doubting his story saying it would be almost impossible to survive with a lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet. Surveillance footage shows him jumping a fence at san diego airport and later crawling out of the landing gear area in maui. The 2014 climbing season in mount everest, more than 300 expeditions in total could be canceled after last weeks deadly avalanche. The native sherpas are threatening to go on strike. At least 13 guides died as they prepared the route for the summit. Theyre upset with the amount to compensate the families. It amounts to barely 400 per person. Hard life. Very difficult life. Very difficult life. So some 36,000 will run. As many as 1 million will watch. Police will be out in force like never before for todays 118th Boston Marathon. Last years race scared by a deadly bombing near the finish line. Today we are boston strong all day long. Cnns john berman live at the starting point in hockington, massachusetts. The race is set to get under way within the hour. Whats up j. B. . Reporter im about 26 miles from downtown boston. Population about 15,000. Over the next several hours it will swell, some 36,000 runners will start this race here, so much anticipation. 1 Million People watching the race. Thats more than ever before, and the officials here who have been planning security for a year, they say they are ready. Reporter the security here unprecedented. Well have plenty of assets. And if need be, theyll be rolling in very quickly. Reporter more than 3500 Police Officers uniformed and undercover patrolling the streets. 100 or more security cameras are in place to watch the huge crowds. The eyes of the whole world on boston for the 118th marathon. Organizers expecting a record turnout with about 1 million spectators lining the 26. 2 mile course. Theyll be cheering on 36,000 runners. Thats 9,000 more than last year. Many looking for their opportunity to finally cross that finish line. Its very emotional. I was right on boylston street when the second bomb went off. It means a lot to come back and hopefully cross the finish line this year. Reporter others runners injured in the blast now showing what it means to be boston strong. It means above all that we never, ever give in to anything. Reporter a renewed sense of pride and purpose after the bombings during last years race. Three people were killed that day. The white family was among 264 who were injured. Mary jo suffered a broken wrist. Husband bill lost his leg. Son kevin had shrapnel all through his body. Thats not stopping him from running this year. Any fears about being at the finish line . If i have any, theyre pretty far back. Im not really dwelling on it. I actually think its going to be one of the safest places in the city that day. Reporter one of the safest places in the history of ever. Rechb white who is running in todays marathon told me one year ago he was on his back at the finish line after those bombs went off. Today he will run across that finish line. Hes already signed up for his second marathon. He wants to run chicago in a little bit. You could not ask for a more perfect day for a marathon. Its cool here but sunny. It will be a great day for these runners. The wheelchair race starts in a little bit. About an hour from now, the elite women right after that. It will be a phenomenal morning here in massachusetts. Chris, kate . Well worth everyone taking a moment to pause to remember, to truly feel inspired by everyone out there. Youre capturing the emotion of the day. Thank you so much. I know its special for him to be there. Its his hometown. 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I want to pick up where we left off earlier in the show, mary. One of the new bits of information coming out is the existence of four elts, emergency locater transmitters. These are designed to, in the event of a crash to send out a signal in order to show the location of where the crash happened. The information coming out is none of the four activated. How unusual in your experience is this . Its very unusual, especially considering that there are four. A lot of times theres questions, how many are there . Are they water activated, crash activated, et cetera. Here with four you would certainly expect some of them to have gone off. Of course, the important point here is they basically send a signal to a satellite so you dont have to necessarily send the bluefin down to find them. They should have sent a signal to the satellite upon impact or meeting with the water. Its very unusual that four out of four didnt work. When we say unusual, were not then taking the step to say this means that the plane did not crash, did not have some impact. Its just that they did not activate. Are these elts more effective if the crash is on land versus over water . Is that playing a role here . They are. What theyre really effective for are small planes, for example, lost in the woods or a small plane goes down. First of all they hit the water right away. The water gets to them on a small plane. Theyre very effective in some applications, but here, it does certainly give pause why none of them apparently were detected by any satellite which would tend to suggest it either didnt go off or whatever happened sent the plane, for example, to the bottom before they had a chance to go off, that they were under the water before the plane was under water before it got to them which would bring up the question did the plane go down in one piece, did it gently land on the water and sink. Theres lots of questions as to why this might have happened, but no one knows the answer. Thats exactly right. And the under water search for one piece or many pieces of the plane, david, that continues as we speak. The ninth mission scanning the search area is under way. Theyve covered twothirds of what theyve defined as they best guess, where they really have high degree of confidence that the black boxes are. Youve been very good to remind us, dont judge the suck sepsce this yet. They still have onethird of the area to search. When do you begin to prepare for the next stage, david . Theyre thinking about it. Certainly by announcing if this doesnt pan out, we have to go to plan b, which may mean expanding the bulls eye a little bit. Theyre just moving, kate, into the heart of the bullseye, if you will. So its a perfect time to do it. They have all the bugs worked out. Operating at peak efficiency. Any one of these days, it could be the day when they go through that data that theres something peculiar that they find at the bottom of the ocean. As the minister said, we need a good deal of prayer, some luck and well see what happens. And there are other drones, there are other under water vehicles that are available. But they are in various points of the world at this point. When do you begin staging that. Do you think it would be a good idea to start moving things in that area . Youve also pointed out that comes with a lot of manpower demands. Sure. Its moving these vehicles around. Theyre not small, they weigh thousands of pounds. Theres not that many on the planet. Some are busy already. Thats the state of Ocean Exploration right now. Weve got precious few technologies out there that can explore the deep ocean. Weve only explored about 5 of it. This is why. I do know theyve reached out, so people are on notice that any day now a call could come to sell us what you can do to help. Mary, i want to lean on your expertise that youve worked with families following crashes like this before. Some of the families have put together a very detailed list of 26 questions they had for investigators. They say that none of those questions have been answered in the meetings since that list has come out. Should they be answered . Do the investigators need to be more open, more forthcoming with the families or is this just Standard Operating Procedure during an investigation . Wel they should be more open. Its unfortunate that the United States has had so much experience with crashes an crash families. We were certainly over many decades the aviation nation. We have a lot of experience, and through the experience we learned the best thing is to give families the straight information, straight answers. Thats why theres a constant briefs in the United States by the ntsb. The ntsb hearing, when they have the first hearing, the factfinding hearing, they have a special area for the families. They say, do you have any questions, what do you want us to ask . That helps so much. It doesnt compromise the investigation at all. If anything, it helps because then the families are on board and they know youre doing the best you can for them. That does not seem to be happening at this point, that kind of communication, that back and forth between the families and investigators. Well continue to follow it. Ninth mission under way. Well see you more throughout the show. Coming up on new day, 9,000 more runners, a million spectators. How do you keep them all safe . The police chief joins us with why it will be the safest place around live. Plus criminal charges in the south korean ferry accident. Who is to blame . South koreas president thinks she knows. Is she right . Well tell you. Time now for the five things you need to know for your new day. At number one, the death toll in the south korean ferry disaster has risen to 87. 215 people are still missing. The ships captain faces five criminal charges including abandoning ship. A Government Official in yemen says at least 30 al qaeda militants have been killed in a joint operation between the u. S. And yemen. He calls the operation massive and unprecedented. The bluefin21 on its ninth mission searching for any trace of flight 370. So far theyve scanned twothirds of the search area. Vice President Biden heading to ukraine to show support for kievs interim government a day after six people were killed in a shootout. Prorussian groups say one of their roadblocks was attacked. Quite a mystery. The fbi investigating a 16yearold boy who they say stowed away in the wheel well of a Hawaiian Airlines flight, all the way from maui to san jose, california. Always updating the five things to know. Be sure to go to newdaycnn. Com for the latest. This morning investigators continue to question the captain and crew members of the south korean ferry that sank late last week. Could they have done more to save the passengers on board. Should it have been handled differently in that emergency situation. Joining us to discuss this is captain james staples the cargo ship capta tan. I want to walk through what happened, what could have done differently leaning on your expertise. We know at 8 55 the ferry was as it should be, right . Correct. If we begin, we ol show you i want to pause this. At 9 11 it was suggested listing 43 degrees from the side. We know that whoever the unnamed person was that was speaking the the control tower said that it was too difficult for many people to move around. That was one of their big concerns, people having difficulty getting their life vests on. How difficult is it to move when youre at 43 degrees . Its very difficult. What we need to know is why did the ship go to that inclination anyway and why was the ship in a hard right turn . Was it inexperience. Thats one of the things we need to look at. Whenever a ship makes a hard turn, she should come back to the up right position with no problem at all if she has positive stability. So we definitely have some type of stability problem here with the ship. The reason we dont know at this time. Was it a cargo ship . Did they not have enough fuel or ballast on board the vessel. These are some of the things theyre going to be looking at to see what happened with the vessel. At 43 degrees, its very, very difficult to move. We had time before this the ten minutes prior that could have been given the evacuation order. Time is clearly critical when you see how quickly, at least from the uninitiated, it seems this began to list and go under. This was at 9 11 is when it was at a 43degree angle. Then they reported at over 50degree angle just a few minutes later. What does this mean as far as how fast its going over. This is quick. A quick ingress of water. We dont know if the stern doors were not tight. We dont know where the water is coming from. My guess would be that the stern doors were probably taking in quite a bit of water at the time. A large cargo shift with the cargo. Shes now to a point of no return. Captain, at what point when youre clearly in an emergency situation like this, should it be suggested to put your lifejackets on and get ready to abandon ship . Initially when the ship went to about ten degrees, thats when the concern should have been if she didnt come back to up right. Just at ten degrees. They should be very concerned why she wasnt coming back. When she continued to go on, it should have been given immediately to man the life rafts. Theres no reason for not putting the life rafts into the water at that time. Even if people had to go into the water, they would have had something to go to, they would have had the life rafts. It was also suggested that at some point it got to a point where the life rafts were either under water or couldnt get to it to deploy them. Is that possible . On the port side, absolutely. They very probably very close to the water and maybe even under water. Theres still no reason why the life rafts could not have been deployed when she first started to go. That should have been the first command he gave, get everybody mustered, outside so they would not have been trapped inside the vessel. Thats key here, that they were trapped inside. Does that suggest inexperience to you, Something Else at play, that it was going down much faster than they had achb tis pated . Does that suggest protocol wasnt followed. Looks like some type of training problem we have here. When was the last time they did an abandon ship drill . These are some of the things i would be very concerned with is the training aspect. One final question just to wrap up. Who they were speaking to, they made contact with the Traffic Control at its destination rather than the Traffic Control where it began which they were much closer to. Does that pose a problem . Absolutely. They should have been talking to jindo Traffic Control. They have Situational Awareness and the other place did not. Exactly. Thats the important factor. Jindo traffic should have been in contact with them all the time. Its mandatory that they check in with that system. So they should have been in contact. Thats who they should have talked to. Weve got to also realize that theres a lot of confusion going on here at the same time. Theres whistles, bells going off on the bridge. A lot of confusion going on. First and foremost, they need to continue the rescue and recovery operation and figure out why they ended up in this situation to begin with. Captain, thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Chris . Coming up on new day, the Boston Marathon gets under way shortly. Well talk with the citys new Police Commissioner about the increased security measures this year. How are they going to keep all those runners and spectators safe . A 16yearold says he survived a fivehour flight hidden in the wheel well of a Hawaiian Airlines jet. First of all, how did he get past security and does his story really hold up . States means advanced technology. We learned that Technology Allows us to be craft oriented. No ones losing their job. Theres no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. The technology is actually creating new jobs. Siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. Sfuel reward card is really what makes it like two deals in one. Salesperson 2 actually, getting a great car with 42 highway miles per gallon makes it like two deals in one. 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Youre a 30year veteran of the veteran, certainly not new to the marathon. You ran it 1 times but not this year so you could focus on the job. Whats the plan . The plan is just to have a lot of visibility out there. We have a lot of cameras on the route and a lot of undercover officers. Im confident that were going to have a great day here in the city. We worked hard on todays logistics, but our men and women have shown what a Great Department we were last year and i have all the confidence in the world that the bpd along with the other agencies are going to have a very safe day and return this marathon to what its always been, which a great day, patriots day here in the city of boston. Absolutely a lot of optimism. Of course everybody a little on edge im sure as well. Any information of Credible Threats that you have to deal with this morning . No. Things have gone well over the last week, weve had great activities here, the tribute day. We had a 5k race. The atmosphere and the electricity is back on boylston street at the finish line. But theres no intelligence out there to indicate this is going to be nothing but a great day in the city. Im looking forward to it. The weather is great. I just hope the 36,000 runners enjoy the day. Obviously this is the best marathon in the world. I think well have a super day here today. What do you think about lessons being learned from the bombing that make it better to secure this year . Lessons learned, were going to put a lot more officers in the crowds. Years past weve had them inside the barriers. We never thought that someone would go to the extreme they went last year in destroying our city and our marathon. Weve had to adjust some of the logistics and put more cameras out there, but more so we have a lot of people inside the crowd walking amongst the 26. 2 miles. Thats the biggest adjustment. This marathon has run 116 times. Last year was out of the ordinary. I think were going to have a great day today. People should come out, enjoy the day and root the runners on and shot the city were back, were resill yenlt and not going to give in to what happened last year. Come out, great day to root the runners on. We expect over a Million People here today. Youve said you want a soft approach to the security plan. What does that mean . The soft approach is i dont want people coming out and seeing officers in their tactical gear. I dont want them coming out seeing snipers on rooftops. This is a great day in the city. Its usually a good family day. I dont want people being intimidated and being afraid to come and watch the race. So we have those assets available. We have them at strategic low kathss and well have them out in two seconds. But were trying to lowkey it. We dont want young families being intimidated by a show of force. That force is there but its behind closed doors and ready to be rolled out at any minute. Commissioner in, you were in watertown when the suspect was apprehended. How important is it that justice be swift and severe there in terms of putting this episode behind the city . Well, again, we were fortunate to get those two suspects within 102 hours. Obviously were hoping for swift punishment on this one. We all had an emotional week last year, myself from running the race right up to being the person at the boat with my officers. Everyone did a great job and hopefully justice will be served for that individual who not only destroyed a marathon near and dear to all of us, but also to destroy and bring chaos to our city last year. Im hoping justice will be swift and it will be certain. On a personal level, as you just pointed out, last year you ran the race and were still one of the first to respond on scene. You stayed there the whole time. Tireless work as a lot of the force put in. This year you decided not to run it. Was that a tough choice for you . It was a tough choice because a lot of people thought i should run it because symbolically it will show that were not going to take it, what we did last year. Since last year ive been put into this position. Ive been here now six months. My job now is more important than me doing the running of the marathon. Its making sure that the day goes off without any security issues, making sure our men and women do the job that theyve always done which is a great job and basically just ensuring that everybody is safe today. Obviously the safety of the city and the safety of the marathon is my primary focus. Theres other marathons to be run. Hopefully i can be back on the route next year. Youll get the itch. Thats right. Theres always next year. We wish you all the best up there. We know youre prepared. Well be watching today along with everybody else. Here is to being boston wrong. Thanks for coming on new day this morning, commissioner. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. And its not just about the marathon, its about everything that came before it. Please, tonight be sure to watch our own special report, back to boston moments of impact at 10 00 p. M. Eastern only on cnn. How did a 16yearold survive a fivehour flight in a planes landing gear wheel well . It sounds impossible. Also, what does it say about Airport Security. Our experts weigh in. At farmers, we make you smarter about auto insurance, because the more you know, the more we can help you. Cut. Lower. Shave. Chop. And drop your insurance rates. If you want to save hundreds, talk to farmers. We are farmers bum pa dum, bum bum bum bum [announcer] the more you know, the more you could save. Farmers could help you save hundreds on your auto insurance. Call your local agent or 18004708496 today. Welcome back to new day. This story seems too incredible to believe. The fbi is investigating a teen stow away they say traveled from san jose, california, all the way to maui in the landing gear wheel well of a Hawaiian Airlines jet. The 16yearold made it despite the lack of oxygen and frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet. We need answers as to how this could have happened. We bring in michael kaye, cnn aviation analyst. Not the way to travel and its cost people their lives. Not first class. Theres so many questions. Why dont we break down some of this. First of all, how could a human survive 38,000 feet . Youre going straight to the end point. I am. I dont want to go gently. You dont want to talk about Security Breaches and the wells and everything else. All of the questions, there are so many quees. Theres individual of of the kid hopping the fence at san jose airport. Weve got evidence that he breached the security and actually entered. And then evidence at the other end where you see him dazed and confused on the tarmac. Hes got from a to b somehow. How do you jump the fence at san diego without being stopped . Clearly a Security Breach. I got back from myrow, my boarding pass were checked more than ten times getting to the airport and getting to the gate. Security a Security Breach which post 9 11 is a concern. This is a teenager, 16yearold. Hes got to be an average size kid. Look, the whole process of getting across a fence, getting across a tarmac, if the plane is at the gate, youve got all these engineers, all the people you see, all the baggage people. To get through that is a physical feat. Th describe that area of the airplane, how someone would get in there and side in there and survive in there . The bay is where the wheels come up and the wheels rotate and get locked inside the aircraft to eliminate drag. Theres the bay. Thats a 737, not the 767 he was on. A 767 is a bigger bay. Inside that is the hydraulics reservoirs, electrics, all sorts of equipment and Technology Going on in there which, if removed or dislodged in some way could present an air safety risk. Are there moving pieces and parts as well that he could get caught up in. Mostly contained equipment. Whats the temperature going to be. This goes back to your point, michaela, you have two environmental issues. Hypoxia and hypothermia. Hypoxia is the starvation of oxygen anyone sooefs 10,000 to 12,000 feet. He was at 38,000 feet. Hes going to have slipped into some sort of unconsciousness. He said that. He told the officials he was unconscious. The second thing is hypothermia. At around 35,000 feet its about minus 40. Theres a crossover point. Certainly wouldnt have been dressed for it coming from shaig. Exactly. We heard about these stories of people slipping into lakes and being under water for an hour and being revived. There might be, and i say might, there might be a situation where you get a crossover, hes very young, very healthy where he slipped into unconsciousness and the body has been cooled at rate where the Central Nervous system is preserved and as hes descended, hes come back and made his way on the tarmac. We found an angola man was found crumbled on the street. He fell out. That would have been when the undercarriage cycled. Assuming he would have been unconscious at that point. It all depends on your own dna, he was young, fit, healthy. There is a slight possibility that he would have survived this can we look at the gear again. One of the questions our producer everybody is skeptical. Is there an opening from there to the cargo hold where he might have been able to crawl and stay warm where the pets and luggage and things are . Its a great question. I dont know the answer to the question. What i would say is minus 40 degrees c, human skin freezes instantaneously. You would think inside the cockpit, youve got hydraulic lines, its warmer in there. You have the heat from the tires. There could be a situation where inside the bay is warmer and you wouldnt get the instantaneous freezing of the skin. Beyond the fact that its incredible he could have survived this, could he have done damage to the landing gear or the plane . Thats an absolute possibility. Then he wound upcoming out the other side. They know he wasnt on the passenger manifest. Its not one of those deals where theres some kind of hoax going on. Its an absolutely fair point. Thats the concern, that its a hoax. If you have the security video in san jose assuming its him they see jumping over the fence. Im skeptical. Chris is absolutely right. Like mh370, there is just enough evidence to keep all the cards on the table. I like that crawl into the cargo hold. How about a body double . Dontal ganger. Ive got a dontal ganger and i know youve got one. Have you been sleeping in and sending someone else in . I cant disclose that. I cant believe someone could match the wit and british beauty you bring. But i like that crawling into the cargo hold theory or this ambient temperature difference. That gives me some confidence. Regardless, dont try it. Hes got a story to tell. Hes in the custody of the hawaiian child and Family Services right now. Thats relevant, also. What motivated the kid to do this. Obviously dealing with some pain, now hes in trouble. Hes alive. Definitely a story to to tell. Thank you, lieutenant colonel, or whoever you are. Coming up, a war hero on his way to being honored gets the call again. Well tell you how this soldier became a hero times two. Thats why he is the good stuff. Hot breakfast options. Hampton, enjoy our free you did a great job. It looks good then fuel up with up to 9,000 hhonors bonus points on a long weekend stay. Make every stay more rewarding and feel the hamptonality. 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Courtney was pinned under the truck. Luckily she wasnt crushed. Thats when james swept into action. I told her to keep calm, im eve going to call the ambulance. He jacks up the truck. Courtney escapes, only bruises, james leaves before she can thank him. Remember he had a date at the barn stormers game. Everybody gave us a standing ovation. You can hear people yelling thank you and saluting us. Hes an amazing person and i just wish i could thank him. Its easy. They live very close to each other. I love so much about this story. Isnt that nice . Amazing she got out with only bruises. Once again, what makes the guy special is unusual call to duty in iraq and afghanistan protecting our freedoms, but then taking the opportunity on an ordinary occasion to do something extraordinary. Thats why hes the good stuff. Renaissance man, he still went to his date. Love it. Respect for that. A lot of news this morning. Lets get you to the newsroom with ms. Pamela brown. Pamela, good to see you. Good to see all three of you. Im take it from here. Im take it from here. Newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com good morning. Im pamela brown sitting in for carol costello. Were following a busy morning of news. Minutes ago vip joe biden arrived in the ukraine. New arrests and blistering condemnation in south koreas ferry disaster. That countrys president says the failures of the ships captain and crew are, quote, akin to murder. Within the last hour the death toll has jumped dramatically from