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Hospital on the tsas nofly list. President obama lass canceled another day of events in order to stay at the white house and deal with this emergency. And later today, embattled cdc director Thomas Friedan can expect an intense grilling from lawmakers on capitol hill. And set to testify, the chief clinician of the dallas hospital who in prepared remarks apologizes, saying they are deeply sorry and that they made mistakes in how they handled the first ebola patient, thomas duncan. Our coverage of the ebola crisis begins with senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen in dallas. Give us all the latest. Alisyn, good morning, a 99. 5degree temperature was not quite enough to keep a woman, who we know now, who had ebola, off a commercial aircraft. This morning, the second Critical Care nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here at emory hospital in atlanta. Transferred from Texas Health Presbyterian as officials are worried that furloughed employees and a possible walkout of nurses would leave them unable to care for 29yearold Amber Vincent. Officials say vincent is more progressed than nina pham, the first nurse to be diagnosed with deadly disease. Both having contact with thomas duncan. The cdc says a total of 76 Health Care Workers may have been exposed to the virus. Some of the forms of ppe used did allow exposure of some parts of the skin. All 76 may be placed on a nofly list, according to a source familiar with the situation. Fearing the virus could be transmitted within a confined aircraft. She should not have traveled on a commercial airline. This, after a shocking revelation that vincent, the Second Health care worker with ebola, flew to cleveland on a commercial airline two days after duncan passed. And just a day before experiencing ebola symptoms. Vincent flew back to dallas on Frontier Airlines flight 1143. A federal official tells cnn, the nurse called the cdc before boarding and reporting a higherthannormal temperature, but lower than the cdc criteria for ebola. Frontier airlines tells cnn they proactively placed six crew on paid leave for 21 days, after being notified by the cdc that vincent could have been symptomatic. She was being monitored here in dallas and if she was monitored correctly, she would have gotten into the hospital i think earlier than going on the flight. Now, its interesting, a nurses union two days ago had some pretty strong assertions against the hospital. Saying they werent following basic safety protocols. The hospital just now, this morning, has issued a press release saying that those assertions do not affect the actual record. The hospital says they follow and in some cases exceeded cdc guidelines. Chris, ailsen . That is different than what we had heard from the nurses union. Well get into that later in the program. President obama canceling a series of Campaign Stops to focus on the ebola situation. Promising a more aggressive federal response to new cases. Cnns joe johns is live at the white house, joe, good morning, what changes are the president talking about . A number of changes. Including ebola Emergency Response teams. Of course the president did cancel political plans to travel in advance of the midterm elections to new york and rhode island. Today in order to stay back and monitor and manage the ebola crisis. The administration has come under increasing criticism of late, over this. They did make those announcements last night. The president talked just a little bit after meeting with his team. Listen. We are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way, exactly whats taking place in dallas initially and making sure that the Lessons Learned are then transmitted to hospitals and clinics all across the country. The speaker of the house, among others, have, has gone on the record saying he thinks the Administration Needs to consider at least the possibility of temporarily banning flights from the west african nations where the biggest problems are occurring. Tom friedan, the director of the cdc has also come under criticism on capitol hill, some even calling for his resignation. He is expected to appear at a hearing on capitol hill to talk about what the administration is doing. Back to you. That should be an interesting and fiery hearing so we will stay tuned for that. Joe, thanks so much. Lets go over to chris for more. Lets figure out what makes sense now. Joining to us do just that is dr. Alexander garza, he served as chief medical officer for the department of Homeland Security and is assistant dean for st. Louis hospital Public Health. And we have dr. Yoe self mccormick, he helped investigate the first ebola epidemic in central africa. Dr. Mccormick, let me start with you. The push from the white house to send in s. W. A. T. Teams when a hospital is dealing with a case of ebola. Good idea . Well i think it will be helpful. But i dont think its going to cover every hospital in the country. And so i think theyre going to have to have a strategy for how theyre going to address this. Because we cant choose where ebola patients are going to appear. Why dont you think it will apply to all hospitals. I thoughted idea was, if the hospital has to deal with a case he they get a team. But how dot hospitals prepare their staff. When you get a patient, and you get a s. W. A. T. Team, theyll help. But you want a staff thats already trained, thats got some concept of what theyre going to do, before the s. W. A. T. Team ever gets there. Thats where my concern is. Even though its a good idea to send somebody, you may make the mistakes before they get there that wind up determining whether you have exposure. Even if they get there, unless they take over the whole operation, you still have to have your local staff, who know the hospital, who know the situation, they have to be trained. And yesterday, i heard from my own area of texas, that the training consists of a youtube video. Thats all it is . We still not where we need to be. Thats the consensus this morning. Dr. Garza, let me ask you somebody about the apology we heard from texas presbyterian. Did not include an apparent inability to establish protocols. Theyre saying in some cases they exceeded what the cdc told them to do. Do you see this as a solid apology and a recognition that they now what they did wrong and know how to fix it, or are they simply fundamentally being apologists and weak excuses toor what happened there. What they need to do is come around, full circle. Admit when you make mistakes, identify the issues and start moving forward. So there are some lessons to be learned, though, from this patient showing up in dallas. And hopefully, we can take those. And move forward in a much more robust manner. To be clear. Is texas the exception . Or do you believe that it is a solid Medical Center and a lot of hospitals around the country would have made the same mistakes . I believe its a solid Medical Center. And by all means, it receives high marks in medical care. I think the challenge is, is this was the first patient to show up on american soil. And your best battle plan never survives First Contact with the enemy and this one clearly did not. I dont think its a case that they were necessarily not as well prepared as any other hospital. I think that you know, with this being a first patient showing up on american soil, that it was difficult for them to develop an executable plan to take care of this patient. Because battle is about to keep with your metaphor, adjustment and strategy and thats where we seem to be lacking here. And that takes us to the next news headline this morning. Dr. Mccormick back to you on this. Victim number two, 29yearold Amber Vincent is now at emory. She got there the right way this time. Although well talk about that, one Security Guard who wasnt in the beekeeper suit like everybody else. She was allowed to fly by the cdc, she called them. She did the right thing. She said this is whats going to happen. Are you okay with this. They said yes. Mistake . Yes, clearly. How does that happen . It hps when things are not coordinated. When theres nobody who is in charge and who for, that all of these kinds of questions have to flow through. And when you hear one, the director say well, she shouldnt have been there, and then we find out that she actually called the cdc, it shows the disconnected kind of situation that weve seen. And to me, thats part of the explanation for a lot of things weve seen. Is just lack of coordination, lack of a central some kind of central authority. What do you think about the pendulum swing the other way. Which is now everybody on that plane. Were tracking everybody down. They shouldnt fly, they shouldnt be anywhere. The 75, 76 people who are in that point of contact, possibility of the man in texas theyre in the nofly list, very high bar, rarely used. Do you think that is the right reaction . Or is it overdoing it . I think its, its a little bit pushing the panic button. I understand theres schools closed. Employees being told to stay home. This woman was not going to transmit virus. How do you know . To the plane . Because she was barely febrile. Unless she was going around hugging everybody, which i highly doubt, she was not shedding virus. Do you understand, dr. Garza, why, why the uninitiated like me, that is unconvincing to me. Theres, the big credibility gap is, im not sure that we know how you get this virus. I keep being told that its very difficult to get. But it seems like every time someone is anywhere near it, dr. Garza, everybody in their circle becomes suspicious to the medical experts. What am i missing . Correct. Yeah. And i think it comes down to, to understanding of risk. And so a lot of people internalize the personal risk. Because its a very unfamiliar thing. If you think about the people that have become infected, it is the two nurses that worked very closely with mr. Duncan, that were around a huge volume of virus from this patient. And those are the two people that were affected. Joe, why do you keep drawing these big circles around these people when they get it . I think its out of fear, chris. Is it smart fear . No, its not. Because what happens is you then move your resources away from the focus into a much wider circle. I think the biggest reason for arguing, or for illustrating, not just arguing that she was not infectious, look at the family of mr. Duncan. They still, were now almost 21 days and none of them have become infected. And they were really around him. This wasnt just sitting on a plane. And he was very sick. And he was very sick. That is what weve seen historically. A lot. And thats why we say that someone who gets on the airplane, who has fever of 99. 5, is clearly not going to be shedding virus. Does that mean she doesnt have any virus circulating in her blood . No. But what it means is shes not shedding it so other people are not going to get it. Thats a strong point. The people we should be most concerned about. Who are around mr. Duncan, may he rest in peace, he was really sick in that apartment, they were in close quarters and thus far, none of them have come down with the virus themselves. Dr. Joe mccormick, dr. Alexander garza, thank you very much. Heres a look at your headlines. General Martin Dempsey says america has a Winning Strategy to beat isis. In an interview with cnn the general stressed he doesnt see a need to put boots on the ground in the fight against the terror group and adding that baghdad will not fall into isis hands. Well have more of general dempseys comments ahead in our next hour. U. S. And european leaders are optimistic about making a deal with iran about its Nuclear Program. Before thanksgiving. A state Department Official says theres still a whole lot to hammer out, but no move yet to extend the november 24th deadline. The goal is for iran to scale back its Nuclear Activities in exchange for the west lifting sanctions. It took 29 long years, but the Kansas City Royals are back in the world series. The royals finish off a fourgame sweep of the Baltimore Orioles to win the American League pennant. Kansas city becomes the first team ever to win its first eight games in the postseason. They will face off against either the giants or the cardinals in the fall classic. San francisco leads the nlcs three games to one and can clinch it tonight. Okay, new low perhaps in Florida Politics. A debate between governor rick scott and democratic challenger Charlie Crist was delayed last night because of that a fan. Not a fan like oh, i love your work. But i mean like a fan that blows wind. You can see crist had a small electrical fan beneath the podium, presumably to keep cool and dry. That caused scott to lose his cool. He refused to come on stage, charging crist with breaking the rules. The governor finally emerged seven minutes later, crist kept his fan, the debate began. The next florida debate will be held on cnn tuesday at 7 00 p. M. Eastern. No word if theres a fan clause in those debates. Probably wasnt, crist was trying to avoid the full nixon. You know not get sweaty during it. You know what a huge advantage that fan is . Not at all. What a joke this is. 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Lets talk about all of this. With cnns aviation analyst and pbs science correspondent, miles obrien and mary sciavo, former Inspector General for the department of transportation. Mary, when i thought we would be talking to you this morning, i thought we were going to be talking about the travel ban in and out of west africa. But in fact the, they are considering putting Health Care Workers, domestically, who were in dallas, 76 of them, on a nofly list of the tsa. To stop them from traveling. Because we couldnt even control that. What do you think of the new development this morning . Well, its tough. Its harsh measures. But i think its necessary. Because of what happened yesterday. You know, aviation is fast and its borderless and its the two things that the ebola virus takes advantage of. And so until we get the system under control. Ance since were not going to ban, the president said were not going to ban travel from ebolastricken areas and the World Health Organization says by december there will be between 5,000 and 10,000 new case as week, thats a lot. So we have to get control of it in the United States or people will quit flying. And that will seriously impact the economy. Miles, do you think the tsa needs to be involved domestically to keep people like this nurse yesterday from getting on flights . Well clearly, the Health Care Workers, demonstrated are in the most highrisk to receive the virus one way or another. So i think its a reasonable thing to expect them not to be involved in Public Transportation while theyre treating people who are most infected and who are transmitting. So i think thats a reasonable thing. I think thats an appropriate response. Mary, lets talk about the international, the suggestions for an International Travel ban from west africa. There are more and more calls. There are 26 lawmakers who are saying the president should do it and should consider it. Do you think its the right decision . Yes. And its long overdue and remember, last week the government also announced that they would not be moving medical workers and medical supplies in and out on commercial aircraft and there are very few going there now, anyway. They would be using military flights, so i think that excuse is gone. And again its not to punish people who are sick, its to get control of the situation, so our country can continue to function. So you think there should be a travel ban in place. Miles, what about marys argument that were not really doing much humanitarian aid on commercial airlines going into west africa. I do think its very important to not inhibit the ability for aid workers, for volunteers to get in and out of there. And solve the problem. Youre going to solve the problem at the source. And to the extent that you try to build a wall around it, i dont think youre going to enhance your ability to solve it. Its not like you can seal it up in a bag and it will just go away. So fighting it on the ground is the way to do that. Impeding the ability of workers to get in and out of there is, is not necessarily the solution. Its not going to stop the spread. If theres a way to allow that flow back and forth, if theres some measures that can be taken only on military aircraft, if that can be done, i suppose thats something to look at. But i do think in response to what were talking about here, the focus should be on the health care system. Thats what broke down here. The hospital, the cdc, those are the organizations we should be focusing on. The net thats been put in place by the Airline System so far has worked. Mary, heres a possibly dumb question, but i am curious about this. Is there any way to just allow flights into west africa with whatever is needed. Health care workers and have them fly out empty . I know thats economically not the most sound argument. But we could pay for that for a little while. Well yes, but again, were not doing that. That isnt what the United States is doing. Airlines that are going into west africa. Well and some of the french ones have now shut down. But air morocco and brussels are the two main ones, what we would be doing is keeping people who have traveled there from coming here and we already allow such kinds of humanitarian flights and aid to places all over the world. Including countries where americans are not allowed to go. So i think with the government stating last week they were going to do that on military flights it doesnt ring true. That argument and no one wants to keep Health Care Workers from getting there. But theyre not getting there on american planes, anyway. I just think with all due respect to mary, who i have Great Respect for. If were going to talk a ban like this, should we ban everybody from dallas leaving on a plane. Because theres been an Ebola Outbreak there . That would be the logic. Mary, go ahead. Well you know i think that if we dont get control of this, andday agree with miles tremendously, the cdc is really has dropped the ball. Not the airlines. Surprisingly im very critical often of airlines. But i think it wont be too long, if we dont get it under control here, that europe and other countries will be asking that question. Should we be banning certain flights from the United States. I think we are going to be under the microscope very soon. Miles, the public, i think we showed a poll, maybe not, the public seems to agree with mary, that there should be a travel ban from west african countries that would make the public feel better here in the u. S. Well, yes. People are afraid. And i think when you, when you institute a ban, that just it exas baits the fear. It becomes a little death spiral of fear as we go down this road. When you consider that theyve closed down some schools and are cleaning schools in cleveland, because a teacher flew on the plane, not even with the Health Care Worker. Subsequent to her being on the plane, you have to say to yourself, people are not really thinking this through and thinking about what the real risks are. Our perception of risk is very frequently discordant with what our real risks are. Mary, i see you want in for a last comment . Well, and thats the exact reason for the ban. We dont trust, americans, yesterday, the one big blow that the nurse traveling had was the cdc, particularly after she called them people are concerned because its their lives and their childrens lives at stake. And we cant trust the people that are supposed to protect us. And so thats why they take these measures. Eliminate the fear by eliminating the possibility. Which is the travel ban. Which will make them feel better. Because it is sensible. Its just common sense. Mary, miles, thanks so much for debating this with us, we appreciate it. Different story, same urgency. Another night of violent clashes between protesters and police in hong kong. The city is in chaos after televised footage showed officers stomping a demonstrator. Government leaders say theyre ready to negotiate and end the standoff. Is it already too late . And trying to stop an Ebola Outbreak here in the u. S. Were going to show you just how easily a Health Care Worker can become infected after treating an ebolastricken patient. Stay with us. Save your coffee from the artificial stuff. Switch to truvia. Great tasting, zerocalorie sweetness from the stevia leaf. Only abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. It penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. Dont tough it out, knock it out, fast. Abreva. I won this 55 inch tv for less than 30 on dealdash. Com. Visit dealdash. Com for great deals. And start bidding today 30 minutes past the hour, a look at your headlines hong kongs chief executive says talks on democratic reforms will go on despite clashes between protesters and police. Talks could begin next week. Overnight this scene of swarm of demonstrators trying to block a road near the office of the citys embattled leader. Police charge the crowd armed with pepper spray. At least 17 people are dead following a blizzard and avalanche as it rained down on hikers in nepal. Searchers are out in helicopters, looking for those that have been stranded or perhaps gotten lost on mountain trails in the himalayas. Authorities believe that 16 hikers from israel, canada and india have been rescued. The fda has approved two new drugs designed to treat a deadly lung disease, the new drugs give home to some 100,000 americans suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, a scarring of the lungs that kills many victims within five years of diagnosis. The drugs do not provide a cure, but certainly can slow the rate of decline in lung function. Nph, Neil Patrick Harris has been tapped to host the 87th Academy Awards in february. Its his first time as oscar host. Hes hosted the tony awards four times, the emmys twice. Some people are saying that he actually could be an oscar contender as well for his supporting role in the film gone girl if youve seen it, dont spoil the ending because im still reading the book. Triple threat. And funny and warm and nice. Whats wrong with him . Is there no chink in the armor we can find . Chance of success . I think hell do great. Hes effortless, its easy for him. Hes himself. Just delightful. Camarata agrees. I was giving chris a little grief because i dont think he pronounces my name correctly. But hes working on it which i appreciate. He can change. Im all about improvement. Im waiting for the e. P. To say move on. Chad myers, keeping track of the forecast. What do we need to know . Three big stories today. One, the rain in new york is going to get a lot colder by sunday. So if youre driving to new york city today, expect delays, flying out of the city will be slow this morning as well. We have a big hurricane, major hurricane in the atlantic ocean, not going to hit the United States. Thats the second big story. The high today in new york, 69 with the cloud cover. 70 in d. C. Here comes the chilly air, pumpkinpicking weather, highs in the 50s in new york city by sunday. In fact, 53, morning low will be in the 30s. Heres a second story of the day. Category 4 hurricane gonzalo, major hurricane headed to bermuda. Likely about 115 Miles Per Hour as it makes its closest approach to bermuda, and that will be on friday. Second story, second big storm in the water will be ana, the good news, this thing did not develop. This is the hurricane thats going to move into hawaii. It did not turn into a hurricane overnight. Still forecast to do so, though. And that will also be friday night, hawaiian time, winds about 75 Miles Per Hour. Chris, back to you. Hopefully that misses everything. Chad, thank you very much. So, officials at Texas Health Presbyterian, they are apologizing for some of their mistakes. That left two workers infected with ebola. Apologies matter, because it indicates change. So now the question is, even though they apologized, do our Health Officials really know how to protect doctors and nurses from the deadly virus. We have a live demonstration that shows how easy it is to get infected with the recommended gear, these two people are about to show you. 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The hospital in question, texas presbyterian, says accusations from the National Nurses united do not reflect actual facts as they see it and the hospital followed guidelines from the cdc. The protocol issue has been front and center. Now questions are swirling over whether poor protective equipment played a role. Lets take a look, a handson look. We have dr. Alexander van tulleken, cnn medical analyst and senior fellow at the institute for the International Humanitarian affairs and lisa bowman, executive of airs for the new york nurses union. We thought we would do a demonstration to highlight the differences. In the blue, producer miguel is dressed in the cdcrecommended personal protective gear. On his left is john. And john is wearing the w. H. O. Guidelines. You can see theres a stark difference. Alexander, highlight what are the biggest differences between the two. These are our representations, theyre not accurate to a tee. And youve very sensibly not raindr robbed the hospital of the equipment they need. Miguels legs are exposed. Much more of his neck is exposed. And the other thing is that the back of his gown is open. So it assumes that you can only get contamination from the front. If you get contamination from the back, if a patient is sick on your back, you have a real problem taking it off. In the contrast, john who is following the w. H. O. Guidelines, is covered head to toe, his entire head is covered. No skin. No skin is exposed. And his feet arent exposed. And he could get his back exposed safely. Lisa, this is where i want to talk to you, in terms of the nurses, dealing with this front and center on the front lines this is concerning that there is no standard. We know the cdc has a different set of protocol than the w. H. O. , than Doctors Without Borders and the standards arent clearcut for every hospital. Thats really an issue. I would say that the cdc guidelines are not adequate. And places like emory, nebraska, and bellevue are going beyond the cdc guidelines as they should. I would say that neither of these two examples are adequately protective. And particularly when it comes to respiratory protection. We need to differentiate between someone who is dealing with a patient who has a confirmed case of ebola and someone who walks into an emergency room. Not sure what they have. Theyre not highly symptomatic. And you may not need as high a level of protection. But if youre dealing with a patient who has a confirmed case of ebola, you should be wearing a much higher level of personal protective equipment and you should be much more covered than either of these two people are. The suit, needs to be impermeable. It cannot be a permeable fabric. And this zipper makes it permeable. Okay. Interesting. Tape over the seams. The other important thing, the point lisa is making is exactly right. The equipment isnt good enough. If you look at the protocols for what to do. The removal. Weve had so many people on our air talk about the medical professionals. Saying you could wear a garbage bag of home depot but its the key of how youre removing that theres different centers. The cdc itself has two different set of guidelines on how to remove it. Profoundly confusing. I was on the website five minutes ago and when you download the guidelines, this morning after they claimed they changed them. They are exactly the same and there are two different ways of removing this garment. If youre trying to train people, you dont know which standard to follow. They differ in terms of handwashing procedures. The w. H. O. Guidelines say you remove your gloves, you clean your hands and then you remove your face equipment. Doctors without borders have been following that protocol and have Great Success in it. Why is that not be done in the United States, is there any sense of why that is . I think because the guidance has not been clear and the precautionary principle is not being followed. The precautionary principle says you provide the highest level of protection possible. If that is done, with a tremendous amount of training, because these procedures for what we call donning and doffing personal protective equipment are very complicated. You need to have a tremendous amount of training and practice. In order to do it safely. Repeat it over and over and over. And you also need to have a buddy system. Where you have someone watching you and helping you with the process. In terms of the training. That youre even showing me on the cdc website before i came out here. How does that information and the guidelines get sent to hospitals . How is it disbursed and how are people trained . I want to talk about the training that youre seeing. How does that get sent out . At the moment, the answer is its not, which is why were seeing people with no idea of the protocols and i think the buck here really stops with the cdc. This is not hard to take down one set of guidelines and to upload the w. H. O. Guidelines. They could have done that overnight. It would take you 20 minutes to do that. Its a quick fix and they havent done it. At the moment resources that are widely available for hospital managers are really bad. The nurses are the front line. To not protect our nurses is to have nurses not showing up to work and thats really terrifying. Dr. Mccormick was telling us on the air a few moments ago, at a hospital in texas he heard some of the people in the hospitals were getting training from youtube. What is the training procedure . You mentioned bellevue. Theyre going above and beyond the protocol and the training. Is that sort of the standard for here in new york . And what are other hospitals around the states doing in terms of training . I believe for new york city bellevue is the standard. And they are taking professional trainers who are spending extensive amounts of time doing handson training over and over again. You bring up an important point in that a lot of hospitals are handing out flyers and leaflets. That show how to don and doff personal protective equipment or sending them to watch videos, that is not acceptable. This is a very complex procedure. And it has to be done right every time. Its not just about protecting the individual. But its about protecting the community. Lisa, thank you so much for joining us, i appreciate it. Alexander, always a pleasure and our models, you look fantastic. We appreciate it. You can go back to work now. Obviously theres a lot of points of concern now, alisyn and chris, glad we were able to illustrate some of the concerns for sure. Didnt know that about the zipper making it permeable. Great stuff, thank you so much. The ebola crisis could be taking more than a human toll, World Markets shaking up, stocks are sliding, futures sharply down this morning. Is this because of ebola . Well break it down. Plus new information for you about a second ebolainfected texas nurse being treated at an atlanta hospital, emory. How did the cdc allow her to board a plane one day before she was diagnosed . Are they on their game or not . Theyre supposed to be in charge, arent they . Dr. Sanjay gupta will join us with perspective right ahead. Woman everyone in the nicu all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. Everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. I wouldnt trade him for the world. Who matters most to you says the most about you. At massmutual were owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. If youre caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care Program Offers strategies that can help. A single ember that escapes from a wildfire can travel more than a mile. That single ember can ignite and destroy your home or even your community you cant control where that ember will land only what happens when it does get fire adapted now at fireadapted. Org big question the ebola crisis in the u. S. , is it really a crisis . Not by medical standards, but by market standards, it may be. Theres a legitimate question, are the fluctuations on wall street something to do with the fear. The dow plummeted 460 points, it did stage a comeback, ended down 173. The question is why. In futures this morning, already sharply down. Lets get some perspective on this. We have cnn Global Economic analyst and assistant managing editor at time rona faruhar and Christine Romans, cnn business chief correspondent. Lets set the table here ranna, what do you think are the major moves going on in the market . I think the market is just catching up to economic realities. For a long time weve had a recovery in this country that hasnt felt like a recovery. But markets have been way up here. Theres been this disconnect. Now Global Growth is being downgraded, europe is in danger of tipping back into recession, china is having a slowdown. Markets are responding to it. And our own recoverry in this market isnt Strong Enough to offset the fears. The markets have a lot of predictable reasons to be coming down. Its been 1,000 days since the dow or the s p has had a correction of 10 , its normal to correct. Its healthy for stocks to pull down. We havent seen that everyone has been waiting and dont forget, october, the fed stops the stimulus game. Thats a very big deal so anybody who thought the market could go up, up, up, is crazy. Youve got to have pullback. The question is, does it stop here or keep going . This morning it looks pretty ugly. European stocks are down sharply. Asian stocks closed down sharply and dow futures are down sharp again this morning. I feel its important to pull the veil back on the inside game. That often moves the market. That we dont Pay Attention to. So speak to two things stongs have been bought back by companies more than they have been bought by anyone else in the retail sector. I want you to talk to that. And christine, i want you to talk to the new subprime problem of how commodities have been used and people are unwinding those now. Start with the idea that companies have been buying their stock more than anybody else, right . Absolutely. One of the reasons that Companies Buy back stock is it kicks stock prices up. It has a Virtuous Cycle for shareholders, many of them are the top executives in the companies. A lot of analyst that as share buybacks go up, investment in the real economy goes down. Its Financial Engineering. They think their stocks are cheap, they buy their own stock, they think its undervalued. Using their cash in the bank, too. A huge businessman carlos ghosn said we need to stop the Financial Engineering and start rebuilding the economy. Companies have to spend money again, making real jobs for real workers. Given these times, what are you advising . If youre close to retirement. You should not be 100 in stocks, i know you agree with me on this. Theres a lot of people who have ridden the last five or six years, made good returns in the stock market. You need to know your risk tolerance, you should not be 100 stocks. If youre 65, 75 years old. For young people, you want to see pullbacks, because youre buying stocks cheaper and for the longterm, its good for your 401 k . The other thing to remember is u. S. Is still the prettiest house on an ugly block. I think were going to see a pickup in this market. People parking money in the u. S. . I think so. If you look at where the growth is its here. Not in the supposedly fastgrowing emerging markets. If you can refinance your mortgage . Youve got tenyear note yields, theyre parking their money the treasury market. The 10year yield is 1. 8 . Mortgage rates are going to go down, if you can get a refinancing, ben bernanke said he tried to refinance and couldnt. Because theyre so strict. They have Different Levels of risk tolerance now as it deals with regular people. But the reason i asked you about this commodity thing is there are a lot of people, i have a good buddy who runs potamus capital up in connecticut. He said the commodities are the new, oil, gas, all these different things, that thats the new subprime problem and that people have been wrapping up all of these Financial Instruments in them again, with a lot of leverage. Same problem as the last time with mortgages and starting to unwind them now. I think commodities have been financialized, theyve become trading instruments. We dont hear about this. Theres a big slowdown in china. The u. S. Is coming online as a big supplier of energy, pushing down oil prices. Oil prices have lunged from 107 a barrel this summer. To 80 a barrel. Gas prices will go down. Its good for the consumer, but it gives us biggerpicture concerns about slowing Global Growth. Not just supply and demand. Theyre using it as part of their game now. Theyve come up with a new way to make money amongst themselves, wrapped up around a commodity instead of a mortgage. You hear the bigger picture. Its not fair game. Well thats a good point. At base, the problem with this recovery is the wages arent going up. Ive been saying that for a long time. Until you see wages start to tick up and people have more money in their pockets, you cannot have a sustainable recovery that feels like a recovery. When companies are spending money, keeping it in the bank or buying back their own shares, it doesnt raise wages, it doesnt create jobs. Christina, rana, thank you very much. When the market goes up and wages are not going up. Theres a reason. Income equality. Rich get richer. Something going on with the market, insider games, im all over it. Thank you as you always, great to have you here. One big story this morning, were following a lot of news. So lets get to it. The second Critical Care nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here, at emory hospital in atlanta. We are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way. Vincent was on a Frontier Airlines flight from cleveland to dallas. She should not have traveled on a commercial airline. The cdc is considering putting the 76 Health Care Workers from the dallas hospital on the tsas nofly list. The administration plans to announce giving the pentagon authority calling up reservists to fight ebola in west africa. Im taking it very seriously. Good morning, and welcome back to new day, im Alisyn Camerota along with chris cuomo. Great to be with you. Why did they let her fly . The cdc getting blasted this morning for allowing a texas nurse, Amber Vincent, seen here, to board a commercial flight from cleveland to dallas, even though she says she tried to warn them beforehand that she was running a slight fever. After treating a dying ebola patient. The Frontier Airlines crew on her flight now placed on medical leave for 21 days. Vincent is being treated at an atlanta hospital where she is said to be in stable condition at this hour. And in one of the most bizarre scenes, despite the concerns about transmission, a man seen here on the tarmac who was helping prepare vincent to fly to atlanta, is without a hazmat suit or any visible protection. It is like a metaphor for the situation. Do we know what to do or not . This ebola situation, i dont want to call it a crisis, but its starting to raise fears, it has people on edge. Schools in texas and ohio are closing for the day because of concerns about ebola after the nurses flight. This is officials at Texas Health Presbyterian, thats where, thats the hospital where the man lost his life and two nurses work there bracing for a possible walkout by their nursing staff because they dont have their game together enough. President obama now stepping up his concern, hes canceling another day of events in order to stay at the white house. And deal in quotes with the emergency. How do we do that . The cdc, theyre considering whether to place 76 workers from the embattled hospital on the tsas nofly list. The irony, after they let the woman who was infected, fly. The cdc director Thomas Friedan is expected to get grilled today on capitol hill in a hearing. Lets start in dallas with senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. Good morning, elizabeth. Good morning, chris. Chris, Amber Vincents temperature was just one degree too low to keep her off the flight from cleveland to dallas. This morning, the second Critical Care nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here, at emory hospital in atlanta. Transferred from Texas Health Presbyterian as officials are worried that furloughed employees and a possible walkout of nurses would leave them unable to care for 29yearold Amber Vincent. Officials say vincent is more progressed than nina pham, the first nurse to be diagnosed with the deadly disease, both having extensive contact with the no nowdeceased liberian, thomas duncan. Some of the forms of ppe used did allow exposure of some parts of the skin. All 76 may be placed on a nofly list according to a source familiar with the situation. Fearing the virus could be transmitted within a confined aircraft. She should not have traveled on a commercial airline. This, after a shocking revelation that vincent, the Second Health care worker with ebola, flew to cleveland on a commercial airline two days after duncan passed. And just a day before experiencing ebola symptoms. Vincent flew back to dallas on Frontier Airlines flight 1143. A federal official tells cnn, the nurse called the cdc before boarding and reported a higherthannormal body temperature, but lower than the crittia for ebola. No one told her at that time she shouldnt fly. Frontier airlines tells cnn they pro actively placed six crew members on paid leave for 21 days, after being notified by the cdc that vincent may have been symptomatic. Theres no way she should have been on that flight. She was being monitored here in dallas and if she was monitored correctly, she would have gotten into the hospital, i think earlier than going on that flight. Now, you might remember, two days ago, a nurses union said that there were many, many safety violations here at Texas Health Presbyterian hospital. The hospital just now issuing a press release, saying that that, that those accusations do not reflect the actual record. They say that they met and in some cases exceeded cdc guidelines. Alisyn, chris . Scary on two levels. That means one, boy, the guidelines are lacking and we have do make sure the hospital gets it right so they move forward doing it the right way. The nurses are very little reason to lie. The Obama Administration is poised to deploy military reservists to west africa. Ground zero for ebola. To help get the epidemic there under control. Hundreds of u. S. Troops are already in the ebola hot zone. Cnns Barbara Starr is live at the pentagon. Good morning. Good morning, alisyn. More than 500 u. S. Troops are in west africa, later today, the pentagon expected to get that authority to call up reservists to join them in that hot zone. We dont know how many reservists. We dont know how many of them may be medical personnel. Reservists of course, people who live and work in towns and cities across this country. The military also putting out rules for how it will deal with ebola if there are troops that have come into contact with the virus in west africa or may be at risk, they will be evacuated back to the United States. And treated in a facility here. Commanders will also have the authority to isolate their entire unit of troops, in africa for the final ten days of their deployment if they feel there is reason to. All of this just underscoring how much this is touching towns and communities across this country. Alisyn . It sure does, barbara, thanks so much for the update. Chris . All right. Thank you very much. We want to talk about whats going on here, because we have these breaking developments overnight in the ebola crisis. The latest situation is that we know that the second victim, also a nurse, has been taken to atlanta. Emory University Hospital is seen as being more equipped to deal with the situation. So lets talk about this. Because joining us now are bill frist, former u. S. Senator, majority leader and a heart and Lung Transplant surgeon and chairman of hope through healing hands. And we want to bring back cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. Sanjay gupta. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. Senator frist, i want to start with you. Who is in charge in the u. S. Of coordinating the Ebola Response . You know, at this point its the local Public Health official. When you have a spread of a virus like this, or a disease like this, it really comes down to what happens locally in your community. And the fingerpointing thats going on in washington, d. C. And the distrust of institutions, all of that i believe needs to be put aside and focus on the disease. The fact we have a medical illness, a disease, a virus, we know a lot about. And we do know how to contain it. How to control it. Thats where the focus needs to be. Not all the fingerpointing about whos in charge and blaming the cdc and the federal government. Right now, the Public Health response, i believe is very, very effective here in the United States. And senator, i dont want to engage in fingerpointing, we want to get the best information out there. Doesnt it seem that the cdc has dropped the ball in terms of a coordination of preparing hospitals for this . You know, i dont think that the cdc has dropped the ball. Youve got medical professionals, youve got doctors, youve got the smartest people in america on this. On the virus itself. So could they do better in terms of communication . Yes. Thats going to always be the case. But i think the cdc is doing a fine job, an outstanding job. We need better communication, we need a better narrative on what needs to be done in terms of response, in terms of holding down the virus. But all in all, i think the cdc is having a strong, good, positive response. Senator, do you think it is time for Something Like an ebola czar, one person who is the point person . Yes, i do. I think the confusion that does come down to the local level is exactly the question you ask. Who is in charge . Who is setting the guidelines . And i have encouraged gently, washington, d. C. , to have one single person. Is it the cdc . I dont think it is the cdc. Right now theyre focused a lot on whats happening in the United States, appropriately. But at the same time we have a global concern and liberia and in this epicenter overseas. And we need one person that is the spokesperson, it does have the medical knowledge. They can coordinate with clarity, with consistency around the country. Ultimately, though, its going to be a local response. The typical american today is not at risk. There are 23,000 people who die of the common flu every year. And people need to recognize that. And relax in many ways, recognize its very significant, but this is not something that the average american needs to be overly concerned about in terms of their own safety. That is great perspective to be reminding people of this morning. Sanjay, do you think that is the answer, having one point person Going Forward . Yeah. I agree with the senator on that. You know, in part what i think is what youre seeing is while the local Health Departments are in charge of whats happening in dallas, in some ways you could say that this is sort of become a national issue. Amber vincent, who by the way is in the hospital now behind me at Emory University, she flew on a plane, she had lowgrade symptoms. I agree with the senator, theres hardly any risk to the passengers on that plane. But you know, i think somebody to be able to coordinate these types of things. She was allowed to fly. She made a call to the cdc before she got on the plane, told them she had a lowgrade temperature. Still allowed her to fly. And in subsequently said she should have been on a nofly list. Somebody needs to be coordinating things like that. That has a more National Sort of significance and impact. That seems like a nobrainer. Basically senator, as you know there have been calls by many for an a ebola czar. We had senator rob portman on our air, calling for just such a thing you of course are a surgeon. Would you be available to be the ebola czar . Well, i would not be the appropriate person. Why not . I think you need somebody who is doing this full time in terms of infection disease, i was a transplant surgeon. Very familiar with infection disease. I think it needs to be somebody that can speak to all the cabinet members, that can coordinate the social, emotional as well as the medical and scientific issues. I have called for that, i dont think its necessary for us to point fingers, it would at this point in time there would be one source that people could go to that had the medical background. This, we know a lot about this virus, the virus is a new virus, but weve got years and years of study around viruses. We know how contagious it is. We know what it takes to stop the spread. And i have a lot of confidence that weve done that here in this country. But the czar would also have to understand that weve got 5,000 people who have died overseas, that number will probably double over time. And theres a potential for spread to other countries, we know its going on in spain right now. The czar would have to have a broad understanding of both Domestic Health care policy and response as well as global. But one person would make it a lot easier than everybody wondering whos in charge and questioning and secondguessing. Its a medical disease, we know a lot about it, the disease we need to be fighting, we dont need to be fighting each other and pointing fingers at nurses and hospitals and guidelines and the cdc director. Sanjay, do you think that at one of the things that senator frist is calling for is a rapid diagnostic test. We did learn yesterday on new day that its possible to do a blood test very early, earlier than some of these exposed Health Care Workers are getting tested. Can that, is that possible . Moving forward this rapid diagnostic test, sanjay . I think rapid diagnostic tests are a good idea as a potential screening tool. But keep in mind a couple of things, first of all, they have to have a very high degree of sensitivity. And what is known as specificity. What i mean by that is you cant have false negatives, right . Because if you have false negatives, you would basically clear somebody. Even though they might actually have the virus. That cant happen. That would be a real problem. And also, false positives where you might actually put somebody in isolation without them having the virus. It would have to be a confirmatory test as well. I think sanjay, i do think, though, if you look at the period of the infectivity. It did occur while the test was pending. I think the number one thing we could do, our Scientific Community and our medical community and our Research Community is to develop the right rapid diagnostic test. So that when somebody presents, within 20 minutes or an hour, you could get the diagnosis itself. And if theyre free. Disease, and we do have the test with the specificity and the accuracy and the sensitivity today. Then the question is how do you get the test to africa where there are thousands and thousands of people who need to be tested. And that is a challenge. So a, we need the rapid diagnostic test and then we need to figure out who is going to buy that test to get it to africa. But i think thats probably the number one thing that can be done today, and in getting control and some sense of order and discipline from a medical and scientific standpoint in africa, essentially. While the test was pending, the 48hour period here in dallas, that infectist and contagiousness occurred. That sure makes sense, sno bill frist and sanjay, great so much for all the information, great to talk to you this morning. Lets go to michaela, there is more news this morning. U. S. And european leaders think they can get a deal done with iran on its Nuclear Program by the november 24th deadline. The state Department Officials say theres many issues to address but no move to extend the deadline. The west wants iran to scale back Nuclear Activities in exchange for lifting sanctions. A close call for two pennsylvania lawmakers, they found themselves involved in a shootout with an armed robber. State representatives marty flynn and ryan bazaro were leaving a dinner tuesday, when they were confronted by a man who demanded their wallets. Flynn is a former prison guard who is licensed to carry a hand gun. He exchanged fire with the suspect, who fled the scene. The suspect and three accomplices were later arrested. Frightening moments there. This morning, imagine this, 45yearoldyearold david mccullum. Is free after serving 29 years for a murder did he not commit. His convention was threw out by a judge after prosecutors said he falsely confessed when he was a teenager. The conviction of mccullums friend and codefendant, William Stucky was also tossed, however, stuckey died in prison in 2001. An oregon man keeps a childhood promise to his brother this guy won 1 million in the powerball drawing. When he was a kid. He made a pact with his brother, quinn. He said man if i ever win ill split the cash with you. He won. So eric did the right thing and called his brother, who lived in washington, told him the good news. Brother thought it was a joke at first. But then they got the check. Each of them get about 335,000 after taxes. If youll all excuse me, i have some sisters to make a quick phone call to. Im going to be a while. Because i got a lot. 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How can big hospitals prepare to handle patients . Can they at all . Lets bring in dr. Kenneth davis, the ceo and president of the Mount Sinai Health system. One of the Largest Health systems in the nation, good to have you here. Basic question, are you ready . Were ready. How do you know . Weve already had drills and drills and drills, education on top of education. Weve had meetings that have gone on, repeatedly and sometimes almost endlessly to prepare. What weve done is weve identified just one place in our Hospital System that would be the center for our taking care of patients in isolation. So all patients go to one place. One place. But in new york city and new york state, were already talking about this. Through our department of health and through the Greater New York Hospital Association. In fact as i leave today, i will be going to a meeting of the Greater New York Hospital Association to talk about what were doing citywide to respond. Weve identified Bellevue Hospital as the first site for patients who are potential ebola victims. Are you following the cdc guidelines or are you going beyond them and going more with the w. H. O. . The answer to that question is youre going beyond. Why are you doing that . You want to be as stringent as you can be. You want to protect Health Care Workers as much as possible. Cdc is not enough . Cdcs recommendations are less relevant than what happens at the local level from the department of health and our own Infectious Diseases. Our own assumption is to assume the worst case and protect everyone maximally. Youre using the full beekeeper outfit, the hazmat suit. Yes. And are you using the sprays with bleach and all that stuff to help assist . Clorox everywhere. Putting it on the stuff that happens when someone is patient. Using it before you clean . How are you using it . Youre exactly right. Housekeeping is critical here. Triplebagging waste products. Making sure the room is supercleaned. What you need is not just every, any old housekeeper. You have to train the housekeepers, what weve done is actually created a team of volunteers, who all wanted to be engaged in this kind of care. Feel comfortable in doing it and drilling and drilling and drilling on this. Did you go to school on what happened in dallas . Sure we do, we all learned from whats happened in dallas. Would that have happened at a place like mount sinai . We would assume not. Texas presbyterian is a real hospital. A noted health center. Its not like somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Look, what we also know is that at emory and nebraska this hasnt happened. Theyre prepared, they knew what to do. Theyve dealt with these kind of conditions beforehand. Think thats what you have to be, ready and drilled and educated. I get calls the other day, theres a couple at bellevue, they have it, they have it. I get another call, theres someone at this hospital, they have it, they have it were worried, theyre closing schools, new york, those things all get magnified. What do you say to me . Im the afraid person, youre putting everyone on nofly lists, closing schools, im worried. I i dont believe you know what youre talking about. Already in new york weve had over 100 false positives. Identification of people who have come in and the emergency room has said, because they have fever or because they were not even from west africa, but from africa, we have to assume these are ebola cases. All of them have proven negative. What im telling you is the hysteria and the anxiety is worse than the reality. The government is contributing to that, though. And i mean government, cdc. They say that this nurse can fly. And then after they make that bad decision arguably, they round up that whole thing, that plane, theyre looking at like 1,000 people involved now in terms of how many people they want to start monitoring. Doesnt that make it worse . Heres what we know we know if youre asymptomatic, you dont spread the disease. We know that the disease is largely spread by bodily fluids and that when people are really sick, they could be shedding five to ten liters of fluid a day that contains virus. We have a woman with a lowgrade fever. I dont know if she told them she had a fever. She did. Who did she tell at the cdc . Thats what she tells us. Until we actually sit down with everybody, understand what was said to whom, and what was said in return, we dont really know. But what i do know is this the risk of that woman spreading disease on that plane with that lowgrade fever, without diarrhea, without vomiting, is exceedingly low. And whats probably happening now, when the cdc calls everybody on the plane, is to assure them that the risk is low, and probably telling them, you just watch yourself in the next 21 days and make sure thaw dont have fever. If you do have fever, come right away and theyre identifying where they should go. The best fact to calm panic right now is the people who should be most likely, god forbid, to have gotten this virus from someone who was sick are the family and friends of mr. Duncan in dallas, and to this point, theyve had none of those people who were all, many of them in the apartment with him when he was very, very sick. None of them have been seen with the virus themselves. Thats a good fact. That is precisely correct. Well good luck here and its good to know youre not waiting for a case to start figuring out how to prepare for a case, dr. Ken davis, i appreciate it. Alisyn, to you. Will mitt romney run . Or is he done, done, done . 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But later this week the Washington Post said her answer was quote, well have to see what happens. For now at least the romneys are focused on another kind of campaign. Tuesday, mrs. Romney launched the Ann Romney Center for neurologic diseases at brigham and Womens Hospital and joins us along with the centers codirector, dr. Howard weiner. Thanks for being here. We have so many things to talk to you about. Its an interesting morning and a timely one. For you to be here. We have so much medical news. First, can i just ask you your thoughts about ebola and how the country and the hospital in texas has handled the treatment there . Well you know were ought frightened as americans when we think of this illness that looks like you know, just so deadly. Is now in our shores. So we have to have a strategy. We have to have maybe strategic centers that are set up across the country to really have places that are going to be able to very effectively deal with this. It does seem as though thats the answer. Thats where the most recent patient, the nurse who was infected has now traveled to. Because it seemed as though dallas wasnt quite up to it. Well, you know, how would we, we just need to get more prepared and we need to have a strategy to getting there. Lets talk about what youre here for, lets talk about the Ann Romney Center for neurologic diseases. Why did you want to do this . Because of this guy right here. He is my doctor, and he is the one that gave me hope when i was really, really fearful. And now mitt was, in that evening piece, he introduced me from going from the wounded to the warrior. And i loved that because i was in a really dark place, i was really frightened. I had an amazing doctor to help me get through that. And now its time for me to be the warrior. And to give hope to the millions. We think there are 50 Million People worldwide that suffer from neurologic diseases. So were not going to be just studying ms. Were going to be studying alzheimers, als, parkinsons and brain tumors in addition to ms. Its very ambitious. What will the center do differently than people can get at their regular hospital . This is a Research Center that is going to try to come up with new treatments. So what we want to do is we want a doctor to be able to sit down and patient, who has alzheimers or als and say, rather than saying theres no treatment, heres how we can treat you and once we get treatments, well move to cures. A portion of the letter by mitt. He says from the wounded, you have become one of the warriors. I could not be more proud of the 15yearold girl i fell in love with almost 50 years ago. That was an open letter from your husband, mitt romney. This week. Im crying. I know you are hes so, hes so wonderful. And you know we have such an Extraordinary Partnership and he was there for me when it was really, really tough. And you know he was with me when dr. Weiner saw me initially and said you know, he took me by the arm and said, were going to deal with this. Youre going to be okay. But you need people like that. To make sure that you can survive these things. And the thing that compels me now is there are people being diagnosed, that have no treatment. And als and alzheimers in particular, i think, people suffering so terribly from parkinsons and its time to start making some breakthroughs in those areas and to let people like dr. Weiner say yes, this is what you have and now i have a treatment for you. So im excited. Hes working on in his labs. A nasal vaccine for alzheimers. How amazing, we have to unleash that power. How close is that . Were ready to begin the experiments in the laboratory work. Were going to test it in people and its very interesting, were trying to break down silos in the Ann Romney Center for neurologic diseases. This came from work we did on m. S. We applied it to alzheimers. We have something we found in m. S. That we found that might help brain tumors. So the Ann Romney Center for neurologic diseases is breaking down silos. We call it a collision of collaboration, in terms of different diseases coming together. And we want to collaborate around the world. In the United States were working with people in san francisco, chicago, johns hopkins. So this is a collision of collaboration breaking down silos in the Ann Romney Center and across the world. Thats so great. Breaking down the silos, sharing information and giving people hope. Lets talk about politics. Because speaking of hope, i have heard from a lot of people who do hope that mitt romney gets back into the race in 2016. They are pulling for another romney race. What do you think about it today . Well i think, you know, i think people probably are looking and saying, this is one competent guy who really is a great leader, who has done, hes been in so many turnaround situations. Hes turned around companies, he turned around the olympics, he was a great governor. He has extraordinary leadership abilities and i think the times call for someone of that capability. And i know he would have been a great president. You know i look what happens internationally and i look whats happening in russia, i dont believe that would be happening if mitt were there. So you know youre making a great case for him running. I know and my kids are like, come on, you know, dad, just such a shame youre not there. But weve been there and at the election night, we all looked at each other, my boys, my daughters in law, my husband and myself and we just said, we gave it everything we had. We didnt have an ounce left to give. And then we just knew it was just done. It was you know, we had done what we could. And we were there and an emotionally and mentally, thats where we still are. And does mitt feel the same way . Absolutely, yeah. So when you said, done, done, done let me actually read what you said. Because it sounded fairly definitive. You said, done, done, done, done. Completely not only mitt and i, but the kids are done. Done. Done. Done. As chris said yesterday, what did you mean by that . I think that means done. But then it seemed as though in another interview, you said sort of never say never. You know, you never do say never. But you know, thats not where we are. We are mitts out right now supporting candidates that are running in the 2014 cycle. And you know were going to stay involved. We are so involved in this. Were so excited about this. I have other things im working on that i cant wait to talk about. Maybe in a few months. But its, you know weve we have, were concerned and we are still going to be involved. But not in that way. You feel very final and definite that he will not be running. At this point in time, thats where we are mentally is done. So hes running. You know these political questions so anyway, thank you for all of that its really great to talk to you. And also about the center and dr. Wiener, youre going to be giving patients a lot of hope. Were very excited. Thanks so much for being here. Over to chris. Im no doctor, but i am on tv and ill tell you this, if youre worried about Mental Health, stay away from politics. Thats my nod. My one bit of advice to the romney family. Heres what we know, his owner is doing better. But what about bentley the dog. May have been exposed to ebola, now quarantined. Were going to talk to the person looking after him. We have to understand the relationship of pets to this virus. So stay with us. receptionist gunderman group. Gunderman group is growing. Getting in a groove. Growth is gratifying. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. They got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. Like smart pick ups. 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Bentley has been quarantined and will be monitored for the foreseeable future. What are the logistics of going into a quarantining a dog. Here to tell us is jodie jones, the director of the dallas animal services. Jodie urks not personally caring for bentley, youre overseeing his sort of general care, correct . Thats correct, michaela. Bentley is quarantined and being cared for using the appropriate protective measures. Just like you would for an ebola patient. How is he doing . How is bentley doing so far . Bentley, very pleased to say is doing wonderful. Were blessed and bentley is really a people dog. And you know, outside of ninas care and her recovery. Bentley was the next most important thing to that family as is often the case in most American Families today. You mentioned the fact that hes a people dog. It makes you wonder how a pup deals with being quarantined. Thats a bit of a concern. As are the concerns of how you feed that dog and how you care for that dog and remove the dogs waste. Can you help us understand the logistics of managing all that . Absolutely. Public safety is the upmost concern. So were not able to provide all the comfort that you would in your typical home environment. But we have been very fortunate in being able to create a homelike environment for bentley. So he actually is residing in the kitchen of a formerly owned home. He is created or contained during his stay in the home and he is moved between different crea ca crates to clean. We were using trained hazmat type people to provide the care under the direction of dr. Katherine mcmanus and myself. To insure he got humane Compassionate Care as well as the professionals insuring that the proper Public Safety precautions were in place. And thats where the questions lie. Because we have so little data about dogs and ebola. They can carry the ebola virus, but right now, where does the data stand on whether or not they can transmit the disease . There is one study out there. The question comes into play in if the animals can shed the virus. There are no known cases where animals have actually transmitted ebola to a human. So the recommendations are that there are very little risks involved here. But again, in an effort to maintain Public Safety and health of everybody involved. We are taking all of the precautions that are recommended by the cdc, and the state officials. Were seeing the foreseeable future. In humans the virus can be dormant for 21 days. What do we know, do we know enough . How long will bentley be in quarantine . The initial quarantine period is going to be 21 days. Were working with some of the officials to establish what the release process would be for him. Theyre feeling pretty confident that if he doesnt show any symptoms and everything goes well. He should be able to be released and reunited with his family after the 21day quarantine. Im sure everybody in the family is looking forward to that. Spooking to that, this pet is a member of this family. We saw a very different situation happen in spain. Im curious if youre part of the process of making a decision what would happen to bentley. Was there debate about what to be done . Or was it sort of clearcut there in dallas . No, it was very clear cut in dallas. City officials, county officials had committed and to the bentley was going to see this through. I have to say the outpouring of support for texans and throughout the world for the care of bentley. We have set up a fund, a pet fund, the dallas Companion Animal project is helping us collect resources that will be used not just for bentley, but should there be additional pets. Im curious, does nina know how bentley is doing . Has she asked about it . Yes, nina called us the day before yesterday and spoke with dr. Mcmanus about bentley. And we promised her we were doing everything in our power, we were taking really good care and we were just a little concerned that bentley might be a little heavier when hes returned to her, because hes eating well. Thats a good sign. Hell get his exercise later and im sure he did a lot to boost her spirits to know that her beloved pet is being cared for. Its kind of a twoway street. Jodie jones, thanks so much. A lot of people think this is a frivolous can conversation, other people cant believe we wouldnt ask this question. Thank you for cutting to the chase with us and helping us understand the importance of it okay . Thank you. Chris, over to you. General Martin Dempsey, no less than the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, is speaking out about something that has been worrying him for months. Is isis, iran, afghanistan . No. An Ebola Outbreak. The interview youve got to see. 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He said months ago that someone from his staff came up to him and said this outbreak is different and its urbanized and he paid attention and now he says the u. S. Has a contingency plan for a pandemic, he is pretty darn concerned. Are you, general dempsey, worried about ebola in the u. S. . Ive been worried about ebola globally for about 90 days and i have had some on my staff that were probably a little more worried than i was, a few weeks or months before that. Why . Im worried about it because it, because we know so little about it. Youll hear different people describe whether it could become airborne, if you bring two, two doctors who happen to have that specialty into a room, one will say no, theres no way it will ever become airborne, but it could mutate so it could be harder to discover. It disguises itself in the body. Which makes is so dangerous. And has aen incubation period of 21 days. And another doctor says if it continues to mutate, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, i dont know whos right. I dont want to take that chance, so im taking it very seriously. Weve really got to be aggressive about the isolation and treatment matters that were taking up. Being aggressive about the training, too, chris, dempsey told me theyre organizing boot camps he said, we know how to do boot camps in the military. Organizing from Health Care Workers come from all over the world and teaching them the proper medical protocols when theyre there in the hot zone. Good to hear. I like the metaphor of keeping it an away game. The problem is its become a home game. Whats going on with isis and the war against that extremist branch there . Thats an away game, too, were afraid of becoming a home game. What do you say on that . Talk about how its moved so quickly. The u. S. Has been invested in iraq for two decades, and i wanted to drill down with him how did the u. S. Get to this point. I mean theres a 1 billion embassy. What agency took its eyes off this threat . This is what he told me. The president agreed with National Intelligence director James Clapper that the u. S. Underestimated isis. Who underestimated isis . The white house . The pentagon . The Intelligence Community . Well, look, i mean, we have watched isis from the time, isil from the time it was al qaeda in iraq and its movement out of al Anbar Province into syria and we watched it gain military capability and in fact, there was an intelligence official, military intelligence official who, back in february, understood that isil would eventually reenter iraq. I think what we all probably missed was the degree to which the Iraqi Armed Forces had eroded and wouldnt stand and face isil. I think we all missed that. The general also told me, says hes confident, chris, at this point, baghdad is not going to fall and doesnt foresee needing u. S. Combat troops there on the ground to defeat isis at this point but he definitely left that door open. Very interesting. Hes a smart guy. Hes a capable guy. Everybody knows that, but you know, he needs to be tested and it takes the right questions to do that and you certainly asked them. Thank you very much for bringing them to us here. Thanks, chris. All right, alisyn over to you. Following the ewoe lacrisis, questions how the second nurse was able to board a commercial flight. Well speak with a congressman on the subcommittee holding a hearing today. Stick with us for the latest. When salesman alan ames books his room at laquinta. Com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. So he knows exactly when he can check in and power up before his big meeting. And when alan gets all powered up, ya know what happens . I think the numbers speak for themselves. Im sold hes a selling machine put it there. And there, and there, and there. 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Our Christine Romans goes in search of her roots and what she found out along the way. Your new day continues right now. Announcer this is new day with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. Good morning, welcome to new day. Its thursday, october 16th now almost 8 00 in the east and im joined by alysin camerota. An ebola texas nurse should not have been allowed to fly a day before she was diagnosed. Amber vinson called them and said im about to board a flight, i have a slight fever, im one of the people who treated Thomas Eric Duncan, who lost his fight against ebola and they said youre not going to be stopped. Get on a plane with 132 other people. Vinson has been transported to atlanta for treatment, is listed in stable condition. Thats the good news. Bad news . Another nurse who works at texas presbyterian is speaking out. She says their Infectious Disease department was asked about protocol, okay . The answer not reassuring. Were going to have to call you back. Ebola jitters are triggering a lot of fallout. Several schools in ohio and texas are shut down for the day because of concerns students or teachers may be at risk. Officials at Texas Health Presbyterian hospital are publicly apologizing for their mistakes and bracing for impossible revolt as nurses thereupon der a walkout. The cdc considering putting 76 Health Care Workers from that hospital on the tsas no fly list. President obama clearing his calendar for a second straight day to remain at the white house and deal with the situation. Thomas frieden will have a lot of explaining to do when he appears at a hearing on capitol hill. Our coverage begins with chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta live in atlanta. What is the latest there, sanjay . Reporter well, amber, vinson is in this hospital behind me. She was transferred here late last night. Lot of questions about what exactly happened to her over the past several days. Heres what we found out. This morning, the second person to contract ebola in the United States now being treated here at the emory University Hospital in atlanta. Transferred from dallas late last night, amber vinson, a 29yearold nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian is the second nurse to contract the disease in the country, after caring for the now deceased ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan. Her home, cleaned by hazmat crews on wednesday, and many now asking how did this happen . According to the cdc, vinson had extensive contact with duncan from september 28th to the 30th. Thats the highest risk period, when he had extensive production of bodily fluids. Just ten days later, within the 21day period when symptoms manifest, vinson flew on a Frontier Airlines flight from dallas to cleveland, ohio, to plan her wedding and visit her mom. Three days after that, this past monday, she had an elevated fever. Her 99. 5degree temperature prompted her to call the cdc before boarding her return flight to dallas. According to a federal official, the agency did not tell her not to board that plane. 99. 5 degrees does not meet the cdcs criteria for possible signs of ebola. So vinson continued her travels, flying with a cabin full of 132 other passengers. Then just one day later she went to the hospital exhibiting ebola symptoms. On Tuesday Morning within 90 minutes of taking her temperature she was put into isolation according to officials and early yesterday morning vinson is diagnosed with ebola. Though the cdc says the risk is extremely low for the other passengers the agency is reaching out as part of extra margins of safety. In the isolation reporter cdc director dr. Tom frieden says this should not have happened. She was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola. She should not have traveled on a commercial airline. Reporter an official now tells cnn the cdc is considering putting the 76 Health Care Workers from the dallas hospital on the tsas no fly list. Its quite a remarkable story over the last several days and obviously you hear she called about that temperature, she called the cdc. They told her not a problem, it was okay. I want to point out again shes in the hospital behind me, the same team that took care of dr. Kent brantly and Nancy Writebol will be taking care as well, five physicians, 21 nurses, the same core team will be up there in the Isolation Unit now. She is in very good hands, sanjay, thanks so much for that update. In just a couple of hours, Health Officials go before congress to explain what is being done to keep ebola from spreading in the u. S. Among those testifying a dallas hospital chief. He says hes deeply sorry for the mistakes made in treating Thomas Eric Duncan. This comes as one nurse who works at texas presbyterian is speaking out. Elizabeth cohen is live in dallas with more of the nurses seemi seeming angry, elizabeth. Reporter yes, one nurse spoke on the today show just now on nbc and she said they were really unprepared for ebola really in any sense of the word prepared. They werent prepared to know what to look for to make a diagnosis and they werent prepared to use safety precautions to protect themselves. Heres what she said. It was just a little chaotic scene, our Infectious Disease department was contacted to ask what is the protocol, and their answer was we dont know. Were going to have to call you back. We never talked about ebola and we probably should have. You never talked about it prior to mr. Duncan arriving . No. We never had a discussion. They gave us an optional seminar to go to. Reporter now i spoke with a cdc physician who spent two days inside this hospital training and advising the folks who work here. He said they were very receptive to what he had to say. He said this is a very impressive staff. He said yes, theyre anxious, yes theyre scared, but he said they are willing to take care of ebola patients. Alisyn, chris . Theyre asking for something in return to be protected, can we do that for the people who are willing to risk their lives. So lets talk about it. Congressman Michael Burgess a republican from texas, also a doctor and on the subcommittee holding that hearing, well all be watching today. Also with us chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Lets talk, congressman, thank you very much for joining us, about what we just heard from breanna aguirre. We never talked about this before duncan. Thats not good. No, its not and you know, all of the discussion coming out of cdc during the month of september, even with the president ial visit there, was ebola has not come to this country but when it does well be ready or if it does well be ready but now you see that those statements were perhaps not operational or certainly overly optimistic, and you know, its pretty easy to focus on the hospital in dallas. I did a Conference Call last night with doctors around the state. E. R. Doctors in houston voiced some of the same concerns that were hearing on your statements this morning, so it is you know, id have to wonder at some point they must have done an exercise what will the first patient who arrives in one of our facilities, what will that look like . We all know that kent brantly came in august. There were people who were concerned about it. We do our summer town halls and people say why are we bringing an ebola patient in this country . We should keep it out. Dr. Brantly came in the right way, identified and controlled situation. It was the individual who died in the nigerian airport a couple days before dr. Brantly came, that individual could have gotten on the plane, we could have patients two months before mr. Duncan arrived at presbyterian. This is a risk out there and known. What was the planning, what was the preparation . What will that day look like when the first patient walks into one of our e. R. S and says im sick. We now know the answer to that in terms of texas presbyterian and from that nurse the answer is we never talked about it and their reaction as we now know was bad from jump, from the man that walked into the e. R. I know you support the hospital. I get that. Thats not the question. The question is the individual from nigeria showed us that that was an eminent possibility even before dr. Brantly that dr. Brantly came in, was handled the right way. I told wolf blitzer on monday on your show i thought these patients need to be handled in center. Every hospital needs to be prepared to make the diagnosis. Every hospital needs to be prepared to isolate and stabilize but once that happens you have Specialized Centers across the country where these patients should be moved, just as vinson was moved last night. Look, a researcher that wants to study ebola, they cant just go to a regular lab. They have to go to one of the special bio labs and that is because that is where they have the specialized equipment, the space suits, everything that is necessary to protect the researcher from the virus theyre studying. The same should be true in our hospitals. The question is, though, why does that have to be true . The original plan, congressman, was that big centers like texas presbyterian should be ready. They werent ready. They apologized and said we didnt handle duncan right when we first had him in the e. R. The auto poll gee needed to go far beyond that. They never got it right for these nurses and thats a big reason why vinson was transported, not because the plan is to transport patients. They couldnt get it done at texas presbyterian. We have to be honest about that so we can learn. Dont you agree . We need to learn from the experience and learning curve at presbyterian has been steep and certainly the personnel there im sure will relate that if theyre interviewed, but the fact of the matter is that you could see this coming over the horizon. Ill fault the federal agency. Ill fault the congress, but you know, the thing that is missing in this whole equation right now is theres no general in this fight. There needs to be someone who is in charge and directing the battle, because this is a formidable enemy against which we are fighting and right now it does not seem that theres anyone in charge, and that is troublesome. Dr. Frieden, ive got every respect for the man. Hes one of the most knowledgeable people ive ever talked with, but when he said two days ago that we should have sent our best team to dallas at the start, i thought your best team was in dallas at the start. What were you holding back . That parts complicated because youve given so much power to the states the cdc doesnt easily tell them what to do. Thats complicated congressman. I beg to differ because dr. Lakey has been there on the scene from the getgo. They dont have the authority youre assuming they have. You know that. Well i dont think theyve lacked for any authority. The county judge has given authority. There is authority in the pandemic plan that came forward in 2005. Right. And was amended in july to include ebola. So the Public Health authority to take the measures like theyve taken to put people on the no fly list, that has existed. Its not that Congress Passed another law that said they could do that. They have that authority. It needs to be exercised but cant be exercised unless someone is in charge making the decisions. Understood congressman. Fair point. Let me come to you, sanjay, and talk about the cdc. She calls them on the phone, amber vinson, i treated duncan, i have a low fever, they say its okay, fly. They swing the pendulum all the other way, sanjay, everyone on that plane, you know, even more than that, we have to reach out to all of you, were going to put the 75 or how many people were around duncan on a no fly list. You know how tough that is, sanjay. Seems the reaction to the bad decision was worse than the original bad decision. Am i wrong . Well, the first one was a bad decision, and the second thing that happened probably was in part how it should have been in the first place. It seems like an overreaction because youre comparing it to what already happened with amber vinson but chris, remember, dr. Frieden came out afterward, after the cdc had already said yes to flying. He came out later on saying she would have fallen into a controlled movement category. These are people being monitored, they can fly, only charter though, they can get in a car and drive, but they cant get on commercial airlines. That was what dr. Frieden said, that was the guideline on the books, that was what should have been implemented, not only should she not have flown from cleveland to dallas, she shouldnt have taken the first flight as well. The misstep was clearly around her. It goes to why people are nervous, sanjay. You know this so well and been helpful as a guide but its not that theyre afraid of ebola. People get it, basically. They keep hearing such mixed things and it makes them scared. Well keep talking about this. Sanjay thank you for being with us and you, too, congressman burgess. We know youre going to be there today. We look forward to the hearing. We know youll be looking for accountability. Appreciate you being with us this morning. Great, thank you. The reason that you and i would be afraid is because of what we keep hearing. It doesnt seem consistent. She was allowed to fly and they round everybody up after that. Who do we believe . Who is really understanding whats going on here . Now weve heard from this nurse. The nurse comes forward and youre going to hear from her again in a minute. Shes the first who worked inside the hospital to speak out. Shes going to be talking to Anderson Cooper tonight on ac 360 you want to watch that and join us tomorrow morning on new day to follow up with it. Again she says they never talked about this, michaela, until duncan came into the e. R. , they never prepared, zero. Thats the thing, everybody thinks the media is finger pointing. We want to get to the bottom of it to prevent further points of contact, further vulnerabilities. Right now we turn to our headlines and get back to our top story in a minute. Hong kong, chief executive officer there says hes ready for prodemocracy talks with demonstrators as early as next week as a rash of new clashes broke out overnight between police and protesters. Police using pepper spray to try to push those crowds back. The crowds are trying to occupy a road outside government headquarters. U. S. And european leaders are optimistic about dealing, making a deal with iran about its Nuclear Program before thanksgiving. The state Department Official says there still is a lot to hammer out but yet theres no move to extend the deadline beyond the 24th of november. The goal is for iran to scale back its Nuclear Activities in exchange for the west lifting sanctions. Quite a bizarre night even by Florida Politics standards. Debate between governor rick scott and democratic challenger carlie crist was delayed seven minutes out of a fan, an electrical fan, you can see the culprit there, small fan beneath the podium caused scott to lose his cool. The governor refused to come on stage accusing crist of breaking the rules. The debate continued on with the fan, the next debate is between scott and chris scheduled for cnn here tuesday night 7 00 eastern. Police in calhoun county, iowa, threw down spike strips to stop a speeding car, pulled out their guns, ordered the couple inside to the ground but quickly realized why the driver was going way over the speed limit, his wife was in labor. There she is. Their daughter was born in the hospital, everyone is just fine. The mom said they did try to call 911 before they were stopped but the dispatcher probably couldnt understand what she was saying through the screams. Tenpound hazel was born an hour after they arrived. No wonder she was screaming. No ticket . Right now theyre working those details out. Of course the police are like well its best to call ahead. Well you could imagine, although they have four other kids so theyve been through this. I dont know that theyve delivered quite like that. Its very hard to get on the ground if youre nine months pregnant and get back up again. Tenpound baby thats old school. You remember those. Once in a while. I was a tenpound baby. Whats your move when you get stopped by the cops . What is your plea for mercy . I give them what they ask for. I know doing what we do no, i dont. No dough ee eyes. I only give those to you. Youve never gotten a ticket. What is yours camerota . I put on a cnn baseball cap and say yes, officer, can i help you . I look at him and say im Governor Andrew Cuomo and if you give me this ticket its never worked once. Good one. Two nurses infected with ebola at once, are hospitals prepared to take on the deadly disease and did the cdc drop the ball . Well talk to former health and Human Services secretary Tommy Thompson to get his take on what went wrong. President obama is doubling down on the fight against ebola. Why . Were they late on this . 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This morning the second nurse to contract ebola in texas is undergoing treatment at Emory University as Health Care Workers at texas presbyterian may be walking out over concerns they are not adequately protected. Meanwhile, the cdc chief is preparing to address ebola concerns before congress today. There are spending cuts in washington, are they partly to blame for this patchy Ebola Response . Lets ask Tommy Thompson, former health and Human Services secretary and former governor of wisconsin, joins us now. Good morning, secretary. Good morning, alisyn, how are you . Im well. It sure seems as though the cdc dropped the ball. It seems they were the weak link here in terms of exposures. Is that how you read the situation in dallas . I think its awfully easy to point fingers. This is a very complex disease and tom frieden is a very outstanding doctor and i think a lot of you can always point fingers but the truth of the matter is tom frieden is also indicated that they have made some mistakes. Now we have to learn from our mistakes. I can remember back when i took over as secretary of health and Human Services the Public Health infrastructure in the United States was at an alltime low, and because of 9 11, because of bipartisanship in congress, we were able to increase the budget 1100 . We went from 300 million to almost 15 billion in the four years while i was secretary and we put 4 billion into the infrastructure for local hospitals and state Health Departments and local Health Departments. This has to be a coordinated effort from cdc, department of health and Human Services, down to the state Health Departments and the local hospitals. I think tom frieden said they made a mistake. They have to learn from those mistakes and make sure they get the information. The educational stuff to the hospital, to the nurses, to the doctors, and also to individuals. Well the nurses say that they did not get the proper preparedness training. In fact, one nurse just this morning has gone public, she was on the today show. Let me play for you what she says went wrong. It was just a little chaotic scene. Our infectious skis department was contacted to ask what is the protocol and their answer was woe dont know, well have to call you back. We never talked about ebola and we probably should have. You never talked about it prior to mr. Duncan arriving . No. We never had a discussion. They gave us an optional seminar to go to. An optional seminar, secretary thompson. That does not seem to go far enough and i hear you about not pointing fingers. That makes sense. We dont want to play the blame game but it just seems as though the cdc did not live up to what it says in its own Mission Statement on its website it says that one of their top tenets is to train the Public Health workforce to combat these diseases. True. So why didnt they do that . They should have done that, and i think theyve acknowledged that, and theyre going to do better in the future. I can remember back when we started with sars and anthrax. Every single day we had, through my command center in health and Human Services, we had Daily Communications from cdc from the World Health Organization we put a command center over at the World Health Organization, nih, every single day we had that, giving out information. We distributed information to the public on a daily basis, cdc should get back to that and continue to do so. They have to be able to as soon as somebody comes out with any kind of infectious virus like ebola, they should have a command center and also a team from cdc go directly to that hospital. There should have been individuals from cdc set down immediately to Presbyterian Hospital to talk to the nurses and set up the protocols within that hospital and i think they would have been able to avoid a lot of these mistakes, alisyn. Secretary thompson, you talked about your time at hhs, and i want to read for you, you talked about budget, what the budget was when you were there, and there is some question as to whether budget cuts now are partly to blame for this. This is what the nih director, dr. Francis collins, says about that in an interview last week. Frankly, if we had not gone through our tenyear slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would have gone through Clinical Trials and would have been ready. We would have been a year or two ahead of where we are, which would have made all the difference. Do you think that our Public Health in this country is suffering because of budget cuts at the hands of this sequestration . No, i do not, because when we took over back in 2001, the National Health budget for Public Health infrastructure was 300 million. When we left, or when i left it was over 4 billion. It has been able to maintain that. There has not been the increases that were there during 2001 and 2005, but the overall budget has been somewhere between 4. 4 billion and 4. 8 billion at nih, dealing with these kind of subjects. So there has not been an increase but i think a budget, i dont think you can blame this on budget cuts. We set aside money for research and that money hopefully is being well used and im sure it is, and we should have been able, i think, to hopefully get new vaccines out quickly and quicker than we probably have. Sorry to interrupt, why dont we have a vaccine . I think, you know, like anything else, it takes time and it takes money, and i think tony fauci, one of the best scientists in the world, is working on through his department and nih, francis collins, theyre working on it, but theres a lot of Infectious Diseases and i dont think ebola probably received as much scrutiny as other diseases, and maybe its going to have to be one of those diseases like aids that we put more emphasis on and more dollars in the future. But i really think theyve had, i dont think you can blame budget cuts on this problem. I think its a lack of communication, a lack of coordination, a lack of information, and i think were going to also have to take a look at whether or not were going to start asking people to when they come from affected countries or the World Health Organization or through the United States, where have they been, who theyve been involved with, and possibly take into consideration quarantining those individuals that have been involved with ebola patients, from coming to the United States. Secretary tommy tohompson thanks for taking your time. Good luck to you, alisyn. There is finger pointing going on and eventually fingers will be pointed at the. The. The question becomes what about the administration . Should they be doing more to combat ebola within our borders . Should the white house have acted sooner . Former press secretary jay carney will be here breaking it down for you. 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Lets ask someone who knows the president well his former press secretary and cnn senior political commentator mr. Jay carney. Good to see you. I hold this up for you. Do you see it . Yes, i do, chris. New york daily news, for gods sake, get a grip, just missing the man part of that borrowed quote. Not a good headline. Is it the truth . Is the administration off balance, should have been in front, now combined . I think whenever theres a crisis like you have now ebola, whenever you have a situation like isis in that region of the world, the problem with ukraine and you have these cascading problems all at once, which are very hard to control individually, let alone collect toughly, you get a white house and administration that appears to be, you know, allout and under a lot of strain. But you dont get to choose the crisis you deal with as a president. All of these land on your doorstep. I think in the end this is not a political issue. Its an issue that has to be handled. Thats why the president has canceled travel. Thats why hes focused now that we have cases in the United States on taking more direct action to protect the u. S. To make sure that this crisis is one that is principally overseas and not a u. S. Crisis. There is no question in this environment it all washes back on the white house and that puts him in a bad light. Its not just happenstance. If you look at this situation, can you say who is running things right now . Every time you have a big problem you have somebody running it. Sure. That you are successor yesterday earnest, just for context, josh earnest was referring to lisa monaco when he was saying the homeland, u. S. Homeland security adviser is charge in coordinating. If youre going the Homeland Security root why wasnt it jay johnson . Why wasnt frieden put out in front . Why not show somebody is in charge . Instead of being simplistic look at the real problem. This is a domestic problem, i. E. A homeland problem because of the cases in the United States and the need to protect the United States from further contamination but its principally an International National security problem which is why you have a big National Security element to this. You have the military and you have the Foreign Policy element. In that situation ultimately the president because its his administration is charged with all aspects. You wouldnt want jay johnson running the military operation and wouldnt want the defense secretary chuck hagel running the domestic homeland operation. I think it speaks to the Global Nature of the problem that you have to have a broad swathe of officials involved running aspects of it. On the Homeland Security, the white house official in charge of it is certainly lisa monaco. On the National Security front that would be susan rice working with defense and state. Ultimately, all of these things, again, crises you cant control or arise not because of actions by the administration have to be the president s responsibility which is why the white house is taking the steps its taking. Theyre taking them late and perception is reality. Ive never seen lisa monaco on this, havent heard from her on this and what people are scared about, i would suggest from what we are getting back from our audience is not that im going to get ebola tomorrow. Its that i dont think the government is being straight with me about what they did before, what they know how to do now and what they plan to do tomorrow. That does tom down to leadership and seems like the administration could have made this easier than it has been. Well, look, i dont think theres any question that the cdc made some mistakes allowing this nurse to fly was a mistake. The hospital clearly made some mistakes, but i think while people can get concerned and they should be, because of the news that theyre getting, i think its a responsible thing to do also to make it clear that right now were talking about cases involving Health Care Workers who had direct contact with a patient with ebola. So again, the political reality is, this is always going to hurt the incumbent white house in a situation like this, when theres concern and fear, and whether thats fair or not is sort of irrelevant because thats the political reality. I think the substantive actions have to be taken and they may involve flight restrictions, they may involve moving all patients to specific hospitals in the country that can handle ebola, and i think those would be wise decisions to make. Im not an expert but i think that would demonstrate a level of seriousness in response to this, that is merited. You are an expert in many things including where the white houses head would be on this situation. Sure. Thats why its helpful to have you. After the hearing today we know one thing for sure, there will be a lot of yelling and outrage, some feigned, some legitimate. Well see what the changes are, fair money is the white house will be behind those. Jay carney, thank you very much for joining us as always. Appreciate it. Chris, thank you. All right, so how did one womans brave journey across the ocean help bring us Christine Romans . Youre going to find out what christine found out looking into her past, brought her to tears and im afraid it will do the same to me. That story coming up. Discover card. How can i help you . Oh, youre real . You know im real at discover, were always here to talk. Good, cause i dont have time for machines. Some Companies Just dont appreciate the power of conversation you know, i like you i like you too at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and talk to a real person. You need to see this. Show em the curve. Do you know what this means . The greater the curvature, the bigger the difference. [scifi tractor beam sound]. Sucked me right in. Its beautiful. Gotta admit one thing. Cant beat the view. Introducing the worlds first curved Ultra High Definition Television from samsung. Searching with devotion for a snack that isnt lame takes my breath away so wake me up when its all over cnn special weeklong series roots, our journeys home. This morning, chief Business Correspondent Christine Romans digs deep into her past, uncovers the story of an ordinary girl who had the extraordinary courage to leave everything behind in her small denmark town and start her life over in america. Christine is here, share with us my friend. This was a love letter to my grandmas grandma, this whole project to me was a love letter to my grandmas grandma and my grandma who is watching now i love her so much and to learn so much about her grandmother i went back to the beginning to find out more. She arrived in new york harbor right here 128 years ago this week. Watch my journey. This is iowa. This is where im from. Corn fields and family and every few years we all get together. All the grandkids and Great Grandkids and my grandma. This is the picture you gave me and thats a lot of years ago. How old do you think you were . Probably 17. Reporter my grandmothers name is shirley jean peterson, and she remembers her grandma, ana jacobida peterson. I know how much you loved your grandma, i loved my grandma. Tell me what your bedstemor meant to you . She was like a second mother. She was a great grandmother. I loved her dearly. Weve grown one a lot of stories about anna jacobina peterson. Ordinary young woman, very simple means who took a chance and has basically built my family. I would have nothing, i wouldnt be here if it werent for a chance that a poor girl in denmark took 150 years ago. We followed in the footsteps of your grandmother, and i wanted to show you the book wed made. Its here in iowa with my grandmother where i reveal what i learned about bestemor. Something i could only find out by going back to her homeland. Goodbye, new york. Were going to bestemors town. Denmark, here we come. This is in copenhagen, april and i. I couldnt visit annas country without my younger sister, april. A place central to our family history. Delicious. I like that one. Our prepare were sustained by this. Like that one. Reporter but its here inside the Danish National archives where i learned the most. This is the former royal hall of curiosities in the danish archives and they have all of the information there. This woman walked us through. Charlotte jenson works in archival development. The archives can help us also find the past that we didnt know existed. Lets take a look at this lets take a look. This is actually her baptism. Anna, spelled ane in danish, was baptized in 1866, in a Beautiful Church about an hour outside of copenhagen. Denmarks rich countryside where she would spend the first 20 years of her life. The Church Building 1100, the early part of it. Beautiful. Thats where she was baptized. This is from 1650. Reporter 1650 . Yes. When the baptism is finished, then i say the prayer. [ speaking in Foreign Language ] amen. Reporter tell me when you would pray together, when you would sleep with her, get together . Wed get on the bed and say our prayers and bestemor said one night, i was about 10 at this time, she said, lord, im ready to come home. Call me any time. I am sitting beside her with my hands folded, and im saying, not tonight, not tonight. Reporter she was ready to go to the lord and you were not ready for her to. This is the kind of house she would have lived in . Yes, it is. Reporter they would have rented a little room there. This is a hotel laborers home . Yes. Reporter all right, lets go inside. Yes. Reporter so this would be typical. This would be the kitchen over here, and everyone would eat and sleep and dress all in one room. Yes. Yes. Something like a table, an oven, a bed, a cupboard, stuff like that, very basic things, but they didnt have much. Reporter she would have had a bible and a candlestick probably for sure. Its like going back in time. Yes, but if you want to do time travel and go back to the 1800s, i think we need some accessories. Reporter all right, lets do it. Yes, put that on first. We dont want it to get cold out. Now you are ready to go back in 1880. Then we have a wonderful dish of cold porridge. Here you go. And i bet you might have had a little warm milk on it, if you had milk or wow, theres not any variety. Or hot beer. Reporter i could use a hot beer. Honestly. They had fresh vegetables but not in the summer. No, they didnt. This was her school, this was her teacher. This is where anna would have gone to school. Yes, that was the school of anna, and this almost like it was at that time. The school was made so they could work also. Sometimes they had to work half a day and go to school, but she would be taking care of the geese. When she was 5 she lived with the neighbor people to take care of the geese, to keep the geese out of the garden. Can you imagine that . And she told me the geese would get her down and slap her with their wings and shed cry for her mother, but it was a tough life then, you know . Reporter we learned a lot about annas brothers and sisters. We know from the census list from 1860 to 1890 she had ten brothers and sisters. Three of them died when they were very young. Oh. Its a little tragic. They died almost on the same day, they died one day after another and were buried the same day. They died from the croup. Reporter oh, they both got sick and both babies died . Both died. Reporter anna would have been 10 years old. Bestemor never told me that. Reporter by the time anna was 12 danish records show her father made a living by breaking stone. Breaking stone is not making a career. Reporter right, hard labor. Very hard liabor and not wel paid and also not very well looked upon. It was the kind of job that you would get if you couldnt really get anything else. We can also see that peder pe pedersen got welfare. Reporter this explains why in 1886 his daughter, anna jacobine left the country. She had to go make a living for herself. Here is her immigration paper. Anna arrived at the port of new york on october 14th, 1886, when she was just 20 years old, two weeks before the dedication of the statue of liberty. She was a single female, she had one bag with her. Can you imagine coming with one bag to a new world . I cant. Reporter my great, great grandmother eventually settled in western iowa and married hans olson, this guy with the handlebar mustache. Its so nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too. Reporter back in new york, michelle irkenbrach, an ancestry. Com historian found for me the most moving document of all. You talk about how theres still today after all these years this identity of her buying a ticket. Reporter they call it bestemors traveling ticket. She saved her money and would buy a ticket every few years and send it back to somebody in denmark. But they had to wait at Council Bluffs and stay at her house and learn english and learn a trade, and then they returned the money for the ticket and another ticket went to denmark. It asks who paid your passage. Reporter she recovered a 1930 passenger list for annas nephew, carl pepesens ticket to america paid for in full by his aunt, anna, proof of her generosity for years to come. Wow, thats so i always heard about the ticket for all those years but then to see it. Do you think bestemor, do you think anna would be proud of the family that has grown up behind her . She would be very proud. I often wish she could see my kids. Reporter anna lived to be 92 years old. As a reporter, as a journalist, i interview right about ne, wri newsmakers all the time but in my family the newsmaker is just an ordinary girl who had the courage to leave everything she knew and start all over again in america. Each of those stories are so unique, but there are so many young women and men who came in that same time who left everything and when i looked at all those documents of all of the people that anna brought, 14yearold, 15yearold, a 17yearold who then lived with him, the traveling ticket which is legendary in my family which we proved, and i have to say the Danish National archives all of that is available online. So i can sit back and im starting to explore ten generations earlier than anna in denmark. Its all there online. Its amazing. Its amazing. First of all i love your grandma. Shes the best. Shes fantastic. You come from good stuff. Longevity. She is the original storyteller. She has kept that story of bestemor, the new england girl cowering from the geese wings at 5 years old, having to leave her mother so she could work at another family to be fed, those are the stories she always told us and my cousins and i grew up knowing you have to give back, love your family but taking a risk to make your family better. How has this changed you . I sense this was impactful for you, christine. Girl power, learning about your family. How has it changed you . A lot because i have three little boys who i want to raise them to be as strong willed and as much risk takers as anna was, and i look back that i can hop back 150 years with my grandmother to her grandmother, i want to make sure were still telling stories so my kids are telling their grandkids about what its like in this country. Tremendous legacy. They probably will never encounter anything in their lives thats as risky as what she did herself. Youre right. We hope not actually. They made some big sacrifices so we can live the way we live today. Especially as a woman to do that, you dont often hear that story very much. Thanks for the story. It was great. Go online to cnn. Com roots and you get to see more of what went into the stories. Tomorrow on new day well have john bermans story. Oh, my, cant wait for that. This should be good. Traces his roots back early into the Circus Culture of his family. Now youre making it up. Where he was often substituted for a chimpanzee. Not true. And were going to have our twohour roots special on tuesday, october 21st at 9 00 p. M. Eastern and pacific hosted by Anderson Cooper and our very own michaela. Come up next the good stuff. Wow, christine, that was fun. Beautiful. Unbelievable. So ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts . Thats right. Its just that im worried about you know hidden things. Ok, whys that . No hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. 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Dallas in their arch rivals wyoming area high put aside their rivalry just long enough for justin to score a touchdown. Love it. After he did his brother carried him off the field. Honestly, i never thought id be able to take my brother out on the field. I scored a touchdown. Yes, he did. Yes, you did. The points didnt count or did they . Because let me tell you for those who saw it and for all of us, those are the most important points of the game. And its another reason why sport is often way, way more than about playing. Honestly. Talk about being a great brother. Even more important than a lottery ticket. Call your brother after the show. Well see. Lot of news. Ana cabrera is in for carol costello. Lets get to you the newsroom. We need more of that good stuff. Thanks for bringing it to us. See you guys, have a great day. Newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com happening now in the newsroom. The Second Health care worker was moved from dallas to Emory University in atlanta. The second nurse sick with ebola starts treatment this morning, days after taking a commercial Airline Flight from ohio to texas. Theres no way she should have been on that flight. She should not have traveled on a commercial airline. Reporter why didnt the cdc stop her and was she contagious . The hunt is on for the other passengers on that plane. Plus texas nurses threatening to walk off the