Transcripts For CNNW New Day With Alisyn Camerota And John Berman 20200504

If we did the shutdown. He makes it sound like it was a different era where he was predicting 60,000 deaths. It was two weeks ago. April 19th he thought there would be 60,000 deaths. Were already at 67,000 deaths. The daily count of new deaths is stubbornly high. Its worth noting that this is without even knowing whether there will be any effects from the states around the country that decided to reopen. This is not a one size fits all pandemic. About onethird of the states are seeing a rise in cases. Thats in pink right there. Onethird are experiencing a drop in cases. Thats in the sort of green there. The other third in yellow. Flat. As we watch all of that, theres so much talk about the reopening around the country coinciding in many areas with gorgeous weekend weather. Parks and beaches in places like new york, texas, georgia and florida. Seeing plenty of visitors out and about. A packed weekend. In florida, today, much of the state will reopen. By the end of the week, more than 40 states will be partially open. Show you the scene in central park this weekend. Look at all the folks enjoying the gorgeous day. But prompting a warning from Governor Andrew Cuomo about false comfort. He reminded new yorkers of the climb in numbers does not a decline does not mean the virus is gone. The stayathome order remains in effect. They continue to raise hopes for a potential vaccine. The president now saying it could be here by the end of the year. Joining us now, dr. Sanjay gupta. And dr. Shah, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation. Sanjay, i want to start with you. The president now says hes expecting 100,000 deaths from coronavirus. I want to play you some sound, not of three months ago, of things he said in the last few weeks. Listen. So were talking about maybe 60,000 or so. Thats a lot of people. But thats 100,000 was the minimum we thought that we could get to. Well be lower than that number. We would have had millions of deaths. Instead it looks like well be at a 60,000 mark, thats 40,000 less than the number thought of. 60 or he was wrong. Were already at 67,000 deaths. He was wrong. The death count is higher, sanjay. What im interested in is why is it so much higher than they thought over the last few weeks. Why is the number of daily new reported deaths so high . Between 1300 and 2,000 every day . Yeah. First of all, one thing ill say just going back a little further, theres been a lot of models out there. This imhe model out of the university of washington was a more favorable model in terms of overall projections. Its one that the white house glommed on to pretty early. I think people were surprised at that. There were other models out of columbia, models from the cdc itself that didnt look as favorable in terms of number of people who would become infected and sadly, die. Having said that, that model has changed a fair amount. Its been all over the place and has a wide range of some 35,000 to 150,000, i think, overall, projections in terms deaths by august. You know, its a variable thing. I think now its pretty clear that the country is starting to plateau at a much higher level than that imhe model and a couple of others predicted. Instead of having a curve where you have this apex starting to come down, we really are flat now at the country. This looks like how it is for at least a period of time. Theres lots of things driving that. Some states are coming down. Some states are going up. Here where i live in georgia for example, you can almost draw with a line since we started to reopen and the numbers of infections going up. I realize the new models dont take into account reopenings. Thats going to drive them up further. Were starting to see that as well, john. I think we can put up three different states. It varies so much by state as we look at where the numbers are going in terms of new treatments. You look at the 14day trend, in new york, its going down. Illinois, minnesota as we can see, increasing in both of those states. Dr. Shah, we heard from dr. Birx over the weekend who said the number was always between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths. She was saying that number they were looking at was with full mitigation. As we know, theres not i think it would be tough to say theres full mitigation across the country. To sanjays point, as were seeing more states open up, what does that tell you each looking at the estimate from dr. Birx . Well, thank you for having me and thanks for your reporting on this. The reality is the models have very wide ranges, 100 to 240 in one instance and what that effectively means is the actions we take now as a country in full National Form actually shape the outcome. And so the Rockefeller Foundation has suggested and put an action plan forward to initially get testing up from 1 million tests a week to 3 million tests a week. We think thats the baseline you need to safely reopen parts of the economy. By the fall, we believe you need 30 million tests a week in this country to allow the economy to function without having big recurrences and without pushing us to the high ends of the models youreer mentioning or well beyond that. I think the focus ought to be on not just how many deaths are there, but how many tests a week are we doing by state and whats the trend line . The trend line has been largely flat. Were now working with more than 12 states and cities around the country and bringing them together this week to invest in efforts to accelerate. Thats really a National Responsibility and needs to be much, much, much higher level testing than what were seeing so far. Im glad that dr. Shah brought up the testing. There were 700,000 new tests last week. Dr. Shah and the Rockefeller Foundation wants 3 million a week, 30 million by the fall. Thats a huge disparity, but sanjay, its important to bring up, because my experience this weekend and i think the experience weve had over the last few days this discussion about whether the country should reopen is over. The country has begun to reopen in so many places. So the discussion now is how were going to do it and how to protect ourselves in that process. In testing, that needs to be a huge part of that. If were reopening, why do we need the testing so much, dr. Gupta . Yeah. Theres two things ill say. One is we are starting to reopen. But, again, i take no joy in saying this. There may be a point where we have to close things down again. Weve seen that in other countries. I think its fair to say, you know, as tough as it is to say it, many places were reopening prematurely. I think people are taking victory laps and its too early. Sadly, the truth. Testing is critical because we talk about two phases. Containing the virus and mitigating the virus. Right now mitigating, slowing it down is what weve been trying to do for the last few months. What we hope to do on the backside of this, is put the virus into a box again as dr. Tom frieden has said. The way to do that is through testing. What rajiv has said, a certain amount of testing is necessary to figure out exactly what that right amount is. Its frankly tough to know. When we interviewed bill gates the other day, he said at some point do we have kiosks and point of location sort of testing available, do we even have athome testing that have been validated, that could really expedite things as well in terms of reopening. Perhaps. Were not there yet. By the way, when you do the math on that, its higher than what the Rockefeller Foundation is projecti projecting. Theyre saying 20 million tests a day. Thats 600 million a month. That means every american is tested every 14 days. They say, look, we do have the capacity to that. Go to the institutes and the University Labs and commercial labs and say could you do this many tests. They say we have machines, we have 400 machines that can do 750,000 tests a day, roughly. We can do this if we need to. If we can get the raw supplies and that may be what we need. We may be a country that has to test on a regular basis. Most americans getting out in public. That would be a step towards opening and staying open. Keeps coming back to the conversations we have. They tend to come back to supplies. Difficulty to getting supplies, the supplies that are needed. We saw dr. Cuomo talking about the sevenpart partnership. Seven different states who arent going to compete against each other. Not just ppe but when it comes to testing and medical equipment. Dr. Shah, how much could partnerships like this and this focus on a supply chain help to ramp up the testing . Well, actually, this is a key to unlocking more testing in this country. As sanjay mentioned, about 2 3 of Molecular Testing capacity resides in University Labs, small labs, Research Labs that are urnt currently underutilized. We have the capacity. The question is can we get the supplies . Rockefeller Foundation Group includes Industry Leaders and scientists. When we talk to companies, theyll only be able to scale up manufacturing if states ban together as theyre doing in the northeast and frankly place much larger and much more longterm purchase orders, especially from the august to december time frame to give the companies a few months to let their manufacturing in order to get to the 30 million tests a week. Sanjay is right, we need a whole host of new technologies, some of which look promising. Including point of service test not guilty particular. In order to have the volumes we need, we need states to come together and make larger purchases. The foundation is actually working with those states to provide financial credit guarantees and other tools that would help them project that market demand. But this is a very fractured industry that works on shortterm purchase orders. Were not going to get there without Real National leadership on this particular issue or a Public Private solution which were trying to put forward. Dr. Shah, dr. Gupta, thank you both. New overnight, President Trump claims that u. S. Intelligence officials did not brief him about coronavirus until late january. But reporting from cnn and other shows, that he was warned about the virus threat weeks before restricting travel from china. Cnns john harwood live from washington here with the latest. John, let me play you the sound from what the president claimed last night. Listen. On january 23rd, i was told that there could be a virus coming in. But it was of no real import. In other words, it wasnt oh, we got to do something, we got to do something. It was a brief conversation and it was only on january 23rd. He says the 23rd. We knowh azar had a conversation on the 14th. He was briefed by intelligence before that. John, whats going on hee here . Whats going on is that the president moment to moment is trying to justify what he has done and make himself look like he has not been negligent and make the situation in the country look better. This is a Common Thread of your previous discussion with doctors gupta and shah about death counts. When the numbers were lower and the models were shifting down, he said look how successful weve been, only 50 or 60. Obviously the numbers raced past that. He said maybe it will go to 100,000. But it would have been 2 million if i did nothing. We know that dr. Red field was notified on january 3rd. We know from our colleagues at cnns reporting that on january 3rd in the president s daily brief, this the threat of the pandemic was mentioned. We know that dr. Azar subsequently called him. He wasnt particularly interested in azar called him. When we got news about the january 23rd briefing and his point in this Fox Town Hall last night was to say, well, it was said in a matter of fact way. It was not presented as an urgent priority. This is the president simply trying to avoid blame for a response that 2 3 of the American Public says was behind the curve. Any discussion about what happened in january neglects or diverts from the question of what actually happened in february, which was where there was an incredible lack of action on behalf of the federal government that may have contributed to the situation were in today. China, this is something were also hearing from the president. Theres no question that china wasnt transparent about this from the beginning and has a lot to answer for here. But the u. S. Administration and now were hearing from mike pompeo continues to say things without evidence, blaming china for perhaps a lab accident that created this. So listen. I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in wuhan. Do you think they intentionally released that virus or it was an accident in the lab . I cant answer your question about that because the Chinese Communist party refused to cooperate with world health experts. U. S. Intelligence has the answer. Which is to say even if it came out of the larks they say it was accidental. Theres no evidence it was deliberate or man made, per se. An accidental lab release is Something Else. Why are we hearing so much about that now, john . Well, i think because we dont know what exactly happened, whether it actually originated at that wet market or because you have those Research Facilities in wuhan, whether or not someone was doing research on this virus and accidentally let it out. The administration is trying to redirect blame from itself on to china. Theres no question that china was not transparent and china may have had lax safety protocols at these labs and an accident may have been what caused it to come out. The issue for the United States, though, of course, is how we responded once this happened. Thats the issue for the entire world. And the administration has taken a consistent line of trying to direct blame at china, trying to link joe biden, President Trumps november opponent, to china and i think thats what pompeo was doing yesterday. There was ambiguity in his response because he seemed to be saying two contradictory things. I interpreted what secretary of state pompeo saying it was not deliberately created but it might have accidentally escaped from the lab. Whatever china did do and whatever theyre responsible for doesnt absolve what the United States didnt do or is responsible for going after that. John harwood, thanks for being with us. Appreciate your time. A new statement from the president which i think concerns history professors around the country. How he compares himself to president abraham lincoln. Has he been treated worse than lincoln . Thats next. Ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. Whoohoo great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. And nutrients to [anthony] hey mama, whats up . [mama] im confused. Confused about what, everything ok . Yeah, i only see one price on my phone bill. That doesnt sound confusing mama. Youre on tmobile, taxes and fees are included. Oh come on, theres always extra fees not on tmobile mama. Why cant all my bills be like this . I dont know mama. Bye mama, love you. Anthony . Umph at tmobile, taxes and fees are included. And right now, when you switch your family, get 4 lines of unlimited for just 35 a line. I came across sofi and it was the best decision of my life. 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Joining us now, president ial historian, executive producer of washington and the author of leadership in Turbulent Times and also the author of team of rivals about the administration. I have read it twice both times to the end. Oh, yea. In a macro sense here, at the end of the book, lincoln is assassinated. How can any president in a macro sense be treated worse than that . Its an incredible statement when you think about t you cant compare the time either. Yes, its true the country is splo split now in a partisan way and we have a divided media. We were talking about a civil war with abraham lincoln, a north and south with entirely different interpretations of what was going on. Let us never think were going back to such a period of time. All president s are upset with the way the press treats them. Its part of democracy. Thats what churchill said. He said democracy, its not perfect. Its not all lies. Look at the other governments weve tried. Its better than them. You need perspective and humor to look at this. Even if youre just limiting it to press treatment of president s, how does the treatment that President Trump receives compare to that with which lincoln received . Well, lincoln would have been argued by the other side, by the north, he would have been argued against by the democrats when he did the great debates with steven douglas. They could report on one of his debates and say in the republican paper, he was so great, evers carried out on the arms of his supporters. The democratic side may say he was horrible, he fell on the floor and they have to carry him out in shame. He was used to that bifurcated media. He would hardly complain. Do you think id be wearing this face if im two the understanding of free press as part of what we are. There will be times when youre mad and resentful. But rather compare yourself to other president s who have led us through crisis and done things as you can learn from. That would be so much more better use of his time. Its a perfect segue into Something Else that happened over the weekend. Thats the former president , george w. Bush released this video as part of a large fundraiser, awareness event. I want to play a chunk of that. Following 9 11, i saw a great nation rise as one to honor the brave. To grieve with the grieving and to embrace unavoidable new duties. I have no doubt none at all, that this spirit of service and sacrifice is alive and well in america. Second, let us remember that empathy and simple kindness are essential, powerful tools of national recovery. Even at an appropriate social distance, we can find ways to be present in the lives of others. To ease their anxiety and their share burdens. Third, lets remember that the suffering we experience as a nation does not fall evenly. In the days to come, it will be especially important to care in practical ways for the elderly, the ill and the unemployed. Finally, let us remember how small our differences are in the face of this shared threat. In the final analysis, we are not partisan combatants. Were human beings equally vulnerable and equally wonderful in the sight of god. We rise or fall together and were determined to rise. Two messages really that just jump out of that video. Number one, empathy. Right . I feel what you are going through. Number two, were in this together. We have to look beyond partisanship. What do you make of those messages, doris . I think it was an he can tra ordinary use of words. When he called on empathy and kindness, hes calling on the most important quality in the leadership in a people. To identify with other people. Then he said suffering is not uneven. What he meant by that is that the elderly and the unemployed are bearing the brunt of it more than others. You know whats so deep about saying that is the awareness of yes, there may be times when we wish we could be back to work earlier. Yes, there may be times when the elderly are going to wish we could stay out longer to be safer for them. Hes calling for empathy for both peoples points of view. And then to remember 9 11 to say how much better our nation is when we are together. Not allow that partisanship to be still out there with us. It seemed to me it was important moment for the president to speak out. Clinton spoke out at the same time going back to fdrs inaugural how were better off when were together. Interdependence is what we need. I had spoken at carnegie hall, on february 29th, i think it was. When they said something about their friendship, the two of them, clin tond an bush, the audience erupted in cheers when bush said im the brother of another mother. Hes a good politics, he beat my father. I hated him then and now hes my friend. A unity in crisis. The most important thing they can do. President trump made clear he has not chosen to call past president s and will not. He leans against doing that. As you note, all these other president s have. In terms of the message of partisanship, though, or nonpartisanship, theres nothing controversial in what he said. It was the opposite of that. President trump i think, chose to take it as a rebuke of him. He put a statement out that quoted a fox news commentator. He said where was he during impeachment calling for putting partisanship aside . The president said he was nowhere to be found in speaking out against the greatest hoax in american history. When he calls for empathy and no partisanship, President Trump responds with partisanship. It was odd. I think what hes responding there is one of the things old abe lincoln used to say. Youve got to put past resentments aside. He has normal things, jealousy, anger, resentments. You allow them to fester, theyre going to the ult of what president bush didnt do to protect him came to the surface. Instead of his being able to connect to the same thing. Just as our other president s have. When john kennedy came in, and the bay of pigs was a fiasco, he asked his pred ses sr. To go to camp david to him. Fdr, not his finest hour, hadnt had hoover to the white house. He invited hoover on the first train hoover came, gave him advice about famine in europe. Then president lbj, not lincoln, when he went to independence, missouri and he gave the first Medicare Card to truman because truman had first suggested it and truman was being forgotten down there. Lbj, i wont be forgotten too. How much good it is to feel part of that president ial club. Theyre the only ones who experienced what youve experienced. It should be tapped into. Doris, thanks for being with us this morning. Really appreciate it. Im so glad always to be with you. Thank you. Thousands of crew members stuck on cruise ships for weeks after the passengers left. New hope this morning for the crew members to head home soon. Well speak with one of them next. Keep school in session. 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Julia whitcomb is a performer on a cruise ship and has been quarantined on that ship for more than a month. Youve been there 50some odd days at this point. When you got this letter yesterday which says basically you are going to be home by midmay, what was your reaction . I am so relieved. Im but at the same time, so many plans have come and gone. This one is signed by a ceo. So this time, im really hopeful. And now it has to happen. The public knows now. I have to go home. Its exciting. I cant wait to this is a huge smile you cant wipe off your face. People can understand why. As you point out, youve been close before. In april, april 10th, i think was the date. You were ready to go. A friend was going to pick you up in miami at the boat. You had a plan to get home. Then you were told you couldnt do that because you couldnt take a flight. What was it like for you to be that close once before and then all of a sudden be told youre staying where you are . Yeah. I mean, actually that happened on april 13th. I was supposed to go home and then on the 20th i was told i was going to go home and the 29th. Then it was taken away on the 21st. The 29th we were docked again and i was told i was going home. Then again they took it back and i had to still be on the ship. Its so difficult. Im looking at my country, and im not allowed to step foot on it. I could literally see it. I could smell the air. So it was really difficult. It made me feel really worried about my international friends. Im in my country right now and they couldnt finesse getting three of us home. How must International People feel . It was so difficult. Your mom was in contact youre from illinois. His office said they discussed options. But there were uncertainties from the cruise ship which made it difficult to navigate. Do you think your moms conversation with your congressman in any way helped to move the cruise line forward . Where do you think this change is coming from . I absolutely think that its a part of it. Because the thing is, were in limbo for a long time. At least with the cruise company, a lot of the info we were getting was scarce. And it was contradictory. It was hard to tell what was going to happen. We started making a lot of noise on social media. My mom, on land, its easier for her to make a lot of noise, congressman adam kin singer was able to make noise and the noise was starting to hold people accountable. I think it was a voice for everybody. I think that people forgot we were out here. In a way, i absolutely think my mom helped to move this process along. I love seeing that smile on your face. I see you light up the screen there. Prior to this, we had reached out, of course, to the company and they said theyre working with governments and health authorities. But they appreciate the crews, patience, understanding and good spirit. How is your patience over the last few weeks . You know what, i think that my patience has been, my life, its my biggest struggle. This situation has really tested it. At this point, im knot going to lie, ive been really patients. I started to not get patient. As soon as the third plan was canceled, i was like im done with my patience, get me out of here. I would say that its really at the brink now. I think a lot of people understand, you mentioned your international colleagues. Youve become a family. Youve worked for the cruise line for two years as a performer. There are plans by country or region around the world to get those folks home as well. Are you confident that you are all getting off this ship in the next few weeks . Im going to say well see. Thats all im going to say is well see. I more than anybody would know. Plans come and go. They have come and go with this company. So i want to say because its the ceo signed this piece of paper, now were as a public were talking and acknowledging it. Im going to say maybe. Im going to say maybe. Im hopeful, though. Im very hopeful. Were hopeful for you, julia. We want to stay in touch. We want to know. Tell us step by step as you get updates. We want to see pictures of you hugging that tree, too, when you get home to illinois. Yeah. Thank you for being with us today and we look forward to the next update. Thank you so much for having me. The first major retailer filing for bankruptcy as business rs impacted hard by the pandemic. We have those details for you, next. Every Financial Plan needs a cfp® professional confident Financial Plans, calming Financial Plans, complete Financial Plans. Theyre all possible with a cfp® professional. Find yours at letsmakeaplan. Org. Daddy, i found you le with a cfp® professional. Good job. Now im gonna stay here and you go hide. Watch your favorites from anywhere in the house with the Xfinity Stream app. Free with your xfinity service. Now any room can be a tv room. Stream live tv, on demand shows and movies, even your dvr recordings. Download the Xfinity Stream app today to stream the entertainment you love. Do you think theres going to be a phase 4 stimulus bill and if so, should it include money for state and local governments . Well, i dont want to get too far ahead of the story, jake. There may well be additional legislation. Theres kind of a pause period right now. Thats white house economic adviser larry kudlow suggesting theres no more imminent help to stem losses from coronavirus. Hes not the only economic official throwing cold water on chances for more relief, at least soon. Joining me now, cnn chief Business Correspondent Christine Romans and cnn anchor and correspondent julia chatterley. May the 4th be with you. This seems to be an orchestrated message saying were done for now. Youre seeing two camps. You have republicans who want to see immunity for businesses. They want businesses protected from lawsuits relate ared to the coronavirus as people start to go back to work. Thats the perspective of the republicans. The democrats want state and local aid. So youre starting to see, i think, a political tug of war happening here. You know, larry kudlow said in an interview with jake, maybe we should put more money into ppe, the Small Business paycheck pro tech program. Thats been very successful. Youre seeing the issue is the state and local aid, they dont want to rush into a phase 4. States and local governments need that money. Yeah. They need it badly. Yeah. The julia, the president is clinging to the notion of a payroll tax cut. Theres just one problem with that now, though. Right . I mean, theres a few problems. Congress isnt on board. Weve been here in the past. They didnt get signoff, nor will it. It doesnt help that 13 Million People now claiming financial benefit. It only helps people that are theres a reason i think that congress doesnt back this. Of course, we know the president perhaps would like it. There are other targeted measures and i think to christines point, its right. The calculus changed here too, because states are reopening. This is really important. The best stimulus is to get people back to work and boost Consumer Confidence and making businesses rehire. Thats why the ppp has been so important. And potentially talking about more money thats key too. Lets talk about big companies. Because one big company this morning, christine, is doing something that is causing people to take note. J. Crew file for bankruptcy. What does this mean and why . This is the First Official casualty of the covid19 problem. We know that thereby more of these. Im sure of it. When you have your Customer Base stay home and your company saddled with debt. It was criticized in recent years for one point raising prices and lost its way in what kinds of pro who is buying apparel now . Its going into the bankruptcy process and shed the dead and liabilities and try to, were told, emerge on the other side as a slimmer company and try to stay alive. That was my next question, julia. What does this mean for my khakis, i say glibly. What does it mean for companies when this is over or when conditions improve . How does that type of action set you up for these moments . Its a great question. Covid19 accelerated a shift weve seen, a push towards online, ecommerce retailing, away from bricks and mortar. J. Crew, were still going to keep the Online Business going. The question is, what happens to all the workers that were in stores that will probably be reduced . This is going to be the question for all of us going forward. Were talking about you buying your khakis, do you want to go into a store and have someone come and help you wearing a mask . Do you want to be trying on clothes that other people have touched . This is just one of the bigger questions about getting back to business. We dont know what this looks like even if people are willing to spend on things like clothes they dont really need. I dont want anyone near me ever when trying on pants. Thats a whole different story. Not a pretty sight. The discussion about liability, its really important. I mean, it really is. Especially with people going back to work, i mean, they want protections just Like Companies want protections. If workers get sick, they cant be sued. This is a tricky territory here. On the subject of more stimulus, john, until last week we were sort of barreling ahead towards a phase 4 stimulus. All the economists ive followed and talked to, they have more money baked into their assumptions for recovery either later this year or next year. Virtually no one is saying we end at almost 3 trillion here. More money is probably coming. I think washington, d. 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They show up to fall a little bit sluggish but now theyll be out of school for potentially months longer than just a summer break and educators say theyre worried. Im worried about where they will be, if theyre going to be at the level they should be at, when they get back into school next year. I do think, though, learning loss is huge. Parents across the nation growing increasingly anxious with schools closed for months, as education experts begin to warn of a possible covid slide for students headed into summer break. So its kind of a double whammy, starting to forget and losing that kind of academic mindset, being out of school, and missing out on a couple important months of instruction particularly for the young kids where learning happens at a fast rate. Reporter drawing on existing data from roughly 5 Million Students in third through eighth grade, meghan coofield has been using learning losses typically seen in the summer to forecast how extended School Closures could cause significant backslides for students currently struggling to adapt to remote instruction. What we saw was pretty alarming. Reporter coofield predicts in the toughest conditions come fall they could have retained as little as 70 of their reading progress and only 50 of gains theyd made in math. Potentially serious secondary consequences of covid19, widening the achievement gap between wealthier and lower income students. Theres a lot of technology limitations, we know that many families dont have access to internet or a quiet place for kids to be learning. Reporter already teachers like Jill Marangoni a special ed. Teacher in new york said she sees the signs of students falling behind. Fifth grade writers who would have never turned in anything without editing you see the work its missing capitals, end punctuation, runon sentences. Just lacking that quality that they had at school and they dont have now. Reporter and its not just concerned teachers and parents. Kids are stressed about school, too. I had a second grader say to me, miss m. , do you think im going to be allowed to go to third grade . Am i doing okay . It breaks your heart to think like this is what the 7yearold is thinking. Reporter while the full extent of any covid slide remains to be seen, parents like kristen decarlo, a mom of three in atlanta, hopes teachers are ready to adapt to learning losses whenever classrooms finally reopen. School systems are going to have to pick up and recognize they cant expect a child to go from prealgebra into algebra immediately. Theres going to have to be some remediation. Reporter john and erica, many of the parents i talked to for this piece are concerned about learning loss because of covid19 but theyre not really sure what to do about it. Some experts say we should be considering summer schooling but many parents i talk to say the kids are exhausted already from trying to adapt to virtual learning. So theres a real for educateors right now about what steps we should be taking this summer. A lot of questions, laura, thank you. Great piece and questions that john i know you and i are struggling with on a daily basis with our seventh graders and i have a fourth grader, too. We dont know what the answer is. I have to say that was an amazing piece but it was a nonstop kick in the gut and i actually wasnt even a kick in the gut, a kick somewhere else. Just i dont know whats going to happen to these missing months. Its four months for my boys who are in seventh grade theyll never get back. I dont quite think we have adjusted for that yet. I know the school is trying. Theyre doing the best they can to give them something to do every day, but its not the same. Its not the same, and i dont know how this gets replaced. I dont know how it does either and that talking with good friends of mine who are educators, they are exhausted, and theyre working skroefr t i trying to figure it out. To your point, john, my kids, some days are great, some days are terrible and some days they are great selfstarters and other days they need a communication with the adult who know what theyre doing who is likely not their mom or dad as hard as we try. I dont really remember algebra even just for simple questions and its a challenge. It really is. The other thing im concerned about is the socialization aspe aspect. I think the last four months in the seventh grade, a lot of it was not great, a lot of it was things i regret but its an important time. It is. How do you make up for this time that youre not interacting with friends, that youre not succeeding and failing and learning through life around a group of other people. And im not, this is not criticism. These are questions that i dont know we have the answers to yet and we have to ask them, most of the schools are closed now for the rest of the year. We have to figure something out by the fall. That we do. I know we dont have the answers but boy, we certainly have the questions as you point out. Its interesting to see, too, as we heard from governor newsome, it was last week, ive lost all track of time, he was talking about possibly starting the school year early and my husband and i were talking about, if our kids did that would the extra weeks or months, is that where you try to get everybody up to speed to where they should have been in september . Who knows. I dont know. Look, if you out there have any advice for erica and me on what to do, please tweet us. Im trying it shall in all seriousness. Trying to get my kids to read more, you can force them to read books to keep their mind sharp. I cant teach science or math, but maybe get them to read more. Thats all you can do. Ill take it. New day continues right now. I used to say 65,000 and now im saying 80,000 or 90,000 and it goes up rapidly. The medical experts havent altered their projection which was 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the United States. Operation warp speed the trump administrations plan to make 100 million doses of a vaccine available by november. On paper its possible. Its whether we can execute and execute around the globe. And i dont think anywhere in the country and around the world is out. Well take good steps. Its not the florida we had in february. Announcer this is new day with Alisyn Camerota and john berman. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. This is new day. Its monday, may 4th, 8 00 in the east. Erica hill is in for alisyn. Great to have you here with us. Good morning. Breaking overnight, the president he has a huge revision now in the number of deaths he says he now expects from coronavirus. Now that number is up to 100,000 he says. Thats a far cry from where he was just two weeks ago. We would have had millions of deaths instead of it looks like well be at about a 60,000 mark, which is 40,000 less than the lowest number thought of. That was april 19th, that was april 19th, two weeks ago he was predicting 60,000 deaths. Were already at 67,000, so were already higher than what he was predicting just two weeks ago. In the daily count of new deaths is stubbornly high and its important to note, this is without knowing whether there will be any effects from the states around the country that have decided to reopen. That reopening coinciding over the weekend in many places with just an absolutely gorgeous couple of days of weather, and in many parts of the nation, that then led to packed parks and beaches. Pictures for you from new york, from texas, from florida, from georgia, much of florida of course actually reopens today. By the end of this week, 40 states plus will be partially open. Take a look at the scene in central park over the weekend. This actually