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Exclusively on the conflict in the middle east, and the Immigration Crisis at home. Plus the cia fesses up. It spied on a Senate Committee. Never believe that an agency of government, particularly with the capabilities of the cia, would carry out such actions. Two lawmakers on committees that oversee the cia, house chairman mike rogers and senator angus king, on whether heads should roll. The then i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. Carl bernstein and dan rather on the story 40 years ago. This is state of the union. Good morning from washington. Im Candy Crowley. Israel says the soldier they feared was abducted is dead and palestinians say at least ten civilians taking shelter at a u. N. School were killed by an iz rilie rocket. Cnns wolf blitzer is in jerusalem. John vause is in gaza. First to you, wolf, how close to israeli officials believe they are to finishing their military mission, which i am assuming is destroying all those tunnels. They think theyre close to destroying the tunnels that theyre aware of. They obviously acknowledge there may be some other tunnels from gaza go into israel they are not aware. Those they found so far theyre pretty much in the process of destroying those tunnels. As far as the rockets and missiles and another 30 rockets, missiles came into israel today from gaza, they think hamas has 3,000 or so left rocket launchers. They think hamas used up or israel destroyed about 7,000. They think they had about 10,000 going into this. They have their work cut out for them going after the rockets and missiles. Theyre also going after hamas millers right nougt. They want to get the top leadership if they can, thats the specific part of the operation. It looks to me, candy, theres no great detisire on the part o the israelis for a ceasefire. The israelis said hamas had their chance five or six or seven times, they didnt take advantage of that, they now want to finish their job and they see theres an opportunity. I am told that Ground Forces, Israeli Ground forces, many of them have already redeployed, many of them have already left gaza, theyre moving back to israel, theres still some Ground Forces there, but it seems to be taking on a whole new phase right now in this operation, the israelis say they have their work cut out for them. If you listen to the Prime Minister of israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, hes not mincing any words. And john vause in gaza for us, john, if israel doesnt seem interested in any kind of ceasefire, hamas doesnt seem deterred at all, even given the high number of civilian casualties that are occurring there. Is there any sign that hamas is ready to pull back . You know, candy, it seems the more that they lose here, the more determined they are that it will be some kind of reason, not only is hamas not willing to give in, but it seems most people in gaza are willing to keep this fight going. Plus when israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made that speech, we went out, we saw palestinians gathered around television and satellite trucks running off generators because theres no electricity here. They listeneded and they barely flinched. Almost no reaction. They said weve heard it all before and thats despite this incredible death toll here, more than 780 people killed, there say dire human theirian situation here, but there seems to be genuine support for hamas to continue to take this fight to israel and its important to make the distinction here. There is the hamas political wing and then there is the hamas military wing. There is criticism of hamas, the Political Party especially the way they have run gaza over the last couple of years, but the resistance as they call it or the military wing, the al kasamberry glades there is a lot of support for them. Every time hamas continues to fire the missiles and they fire them not far from where we are if you listen carefully you can hear people cheering as they head off towards israel. So no pause on either side at this point. John vause in gaza for us, with be, in jerusalem action thank you both. I want to bring in Texas Governor rick perry who of late as been criticizing the Obama Administration for its stance toward israel. Governor, you have talked about the president s policy of calculated ambivalence. Where does that manifest itself . What exactly are you talking about . Well, from my perspective more than that from the secretary of state, when you have the president and his administration trying to secondguess Prime Minister netanyahu, then i think you see what im making reference to, the idea that our best ally in the middle east, the longest serving democracy in that part of the world, and if theres any air between us and israel is beyond me. I dont understand why this administration would criticize israel for trying to protect their citizens and their country from a group who have clearly stated that they will not be satisfied until israel is wiped off the face of the earth. We need to be standing up with israel, sending a strong message to those in the middle east that would attack this democracy, that we are their ally, and they can count on us. Governor, we have heard the president and secretary kerry talk about israels right to defend itself. They did express their worries about the large number of civilian casualties that seem to be taking place in gaza, and yesterday we heard Benjamin Netanyahu, the president , im sorry, the Prime Minister of israel saying that he thinks the president and kerry have been terrific, so you dont believe that . No, i think that there have been messages sent both publicly and privately that have not been strong in their support of israel. I think you need to look back at the rhetoric and what theyve done. I dont think that they have been as strong with israel as they should be, and the fact is, you have hamas that are using their children to protect their missiles, and i think prime 3 minister netanyahu was very for forthright, very specific when he said that israel uses their missiles to protect their children and there is a very different perspective, if you will, and a very different result in those two people and their statements, and frankly, in the two organizations. Grn, you haovernor, youve l staunch supporter of israel. If you will, when you look at the pictures that were seeing, and we know that netanyahu has expressed his regret for the civilian deaths, but when you look at the 1,700 plus palestinian deaths in gaza, the large majority of which are civilians, we are told, what is your thought about that . What is your reaction to that . War is a horrible thing. There are individuals who lose their lives, but when we have a fairly good understanding that hamas is actually using their citizens as shields, at that particular point in time it loses a lot of the power, if if you will, from my perspective is when you use your civilians as a shield, that speaks volumes about who you are and what you believe in. When you look back at hamas statements about they will not be satisfied until israel is wiped off the face of the earth, then you start understanding the mentality a little bit better of a terrorist organization like hamas. Let me turn you to the border crisis specifically that has been in the headlines recently for the unaccompanied minors that are crossing the rio grande largely to come into the United States. The president has said, because congress has not dealt with the immigration issue at all, but he feels he has to do this on his own. What we are led to believe by reports is that the president may, in fact, make some moves that would perhaps cut down on the number of deportations that are taking place now for which hes been widely criticized by the latino community, and that he may, in fact, give temporary status to those without documents that are currently in the u. S. What do you think of both those things . Well, i think that is a side issue. What we are substantially more concerned about in the state of texas, and i will suggest to you across this country, are the 80 plus of individuals who dont get talked about enough, that are coming in to the United States illegally, and committing substantial crimes. Since september of 08 we have seen 203,000 individuals who have illegally come into the United States, into texas, booked in to texas county jails, and candy, these individuals are responsible for over 3,000 homicides and almost 8,000 sexual assaults. I wish the president would respect that desire of texans and the citizens of this country to secure the border. Thats the real issue here, and one that all too often gets deflected by the conversation about unaccompanied minor children, which that is a tragedy. The idea that parents are putting their kids or theyre being forced to get on a train or a bus and travel 1,500 to 1,800 miles where theyre very exposed to being abused both physically and otherwise, but the fact from my perspective as the governor of texas, its the reason that we are deploying 1,000 National Guard troops, so that the people of the state of texas will feel that at least the leadership in the state of texas is doing something to try to make their communities safer, and that is my goal. Governor i intend to continue to be focused on that as we go forward. Governor, i have to point out that a number of Fact Checkers has said that that 3,000 homicide figure is wildly off, but let me talk about the National Guard that you want to send, and this is the state sending the National Guard. As i understand it, its going to cost you 12 million, 13 million a month. How long are you prepared to spend texas money to keep the guards at the border . Well continue to do what we have to do to keep our citizens safe. And let me go back to those numbers. You know, what are the number of, i do stand by them, by the way, but what are the number of homicides acceptable to those individuals . How many sexual assaults do we have to have before the president of the United States and washington, d. C. , acts to keep our citizens safe . That border is not secure, and we see it every day, not just in texas, but i will suggest to you the other 47 contiguous states of individuals who are committing crimes against our citizens. Its time for us to secure that border. So you are prepared, if if i understand you, to keep the National Guard along the border, to help the Current Border guards in perpetuity . Is there the kind of money, is there the kind of support what im prepared to do in texas for that. What im prepared to do is not just the National Guard but our department of public safety, our texas ranger recon teams, the parks and wildlife wardens we have deployed there and i will suggest to you there will be other individuals who come to assist in securing that border. Thats what i think thats what the American People want. Theyd like to see a president who leads this country and says you know what . We do have a problem on our southern border. Were going to deal with it, and the president refuses to lead on this, from my perspective. And governor, to those who say that youre calliyour calli the National Guard in texas is part of your road to become president and to run for president again, your response to is . Of your road to become prt and to run for president again, your response to is . Im the governor of texas, my citizens safety is what is foremost here and hasnt got anything to do other than those numbers of individuals who are coming across the border, and when you think about the idea that some of them are from countries that have substantial terrorist ties, whether its pakistan or afghanistan or syria, we are historic record highs with individuals being apprehended from those countries. We say its time to secure the border. Hasnt got anything to do with anything other than the american citizens expect washington to respect the constitution and secure the border. One of the things thats actually enumerated in the constitution, wed like for them to do their duty. Governor rick perry, as always, i thank you for joining us. Appreciate your time. Thank you, candy. Still ahead, the cia director admits his agencys fight on congress. Should the president put his man at the agency out in the cold . Well ask senator angus king. Hes next. Et me get this straig. 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Visit tripadvisor san francisco. soothing sound of a shower with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. Nothing can be further from the truth. When the facts come out of this i think a lot of people who are claiming there has been a tremendous sort of spying and monitoring and hacking will be proved wrong. That is cia director john brennan in march saying his agency did not spy on Intelligence Committee staffers. Turns out yes, they did. With me now is senator angus king. He sits on the senate Intelligence Committee. Senator king, thanks for being here. This whole thing started when your committee began to look at the bush era antiterrorism plan of the cia, looking at what happened there, looking at if torture was committed, did we send folks to other countries to have them tortured there, et cetera, et cetera. So the cia believing that you all had gotten a hold of documents you shouldnt have, hacks into the computer and essentially spies on your committee, and your reaction to that admission now . Well, its shocking and its particularly shocking because if you go back to the clips in the spring, candy, youll see john brennan, the chief of the cia, the director of the cia, saying this was absurd and nobody should make these kind of irresponsible charges, and all of those kinds of things and now the cias own inspectorgeneral has confirmed that they did just that, that they went into the Computer System that was supposedly separated and within the control of the Senate Committee and essentially phished around. They even created false identities to pretend to be Senate Staff Members going into the computers. It was, its not good. I mean, the more important thing is the report itself, but this certainly undermines the kind of trust that you got to have, and heres the deal, candy. When we do oversight of these agencies, which by the way, nobody else really watches, were the only one watching these guys, weve got to be able to rely upon what they tell us. If we cant trust so is an apology enough . The information theyre giving us, how do you do oversight . Absolutely, how do you do oversight . Go ahead. Yes, i dont think an apology is enough. Particularly because this had happened several times before. I think weve really got to have some serious discussions about john brennan, find out what he knew about this when he was making those statements, what he knew about it at the time. Im not calling for his resignation, but im pretty skeptical right now, because it really has undermined the trust between the committee, and if you go back to the report itself, candy, one of the key findings of the report is they werent honest with us. They werent honest with the congress, the president , the secretary of state. They were misrepresenting this program and what it did and how effective it was, and you know, this is serious stuff. Again, because were the only people that are overseeing this outfit, and if we cant trust what theyre telling us, we got to talk seriously about what our other options are. Well, so what are your other options . Because you have a director that either didnt know what was going on in his agency as it relates to the hacking into the Computer System or he didnt tell the truth. So at some point, i mean, as you know, a number of our colleagues, republican and democrat, have called for his resignation. What is the alternative here . Well, i think the bigger question is how do we do our oversight more effectively, and we may have to embed people in the agency or have, create an office of oversight in the agency because its just essential. The American People are relying on us to watch whats going on, and theres a bigger question, of course, which is relatively Small Committee with a small staff overseeing a 50 billion a year enterprise, the overall scope of the intelligence services, and i think its something we in the committee are going to have to discuss seriously and were going to have to have a really straightforward discussion with the white house. I want to play you something the president said at his News Conference late this week, when he was talking about the torture report which has opinion called, whi been called which we hope to see from you all at least a redacted version of it and talking about the behavior of the cia, and here is one of the things he said that caught my attention. O behavior of the cia, and here is one of the things he said that caught my attention. Its important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks have, and a lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure, and are real patriots. So senator, it seems to me, before this report is released, the question will be sort of, so what . If you have a package of documents that shows that the cia lied to you all about what it was doing, that it did, in fact, torture people under the definition that most people would see as torture or your definition of it, what happens to this report, other than the oh, well now we know . Well, i think, i hope it goes way beyond that. Thats why i voted to declassify it. I think its an object lesson to future president s, future intelligence agencies, future congresses about how things can get off the rails, how things can go awry, and by the way, i wrote my own sort of supplemental views to the report. When they become public i said something similar to what the president said. These people were under tremendous pressure right after september 11th. They didnt know what the future of the threats were. They thought they were were goio be followon attacks and the other piece we talk about the cia did this. The cia is thousands of people. Theyre really good people. Ive met them, around the world. Theyre doing dangerous jobs. Theyre patriotic and it bothers me this whole thing is tarring the whole agency. It was a relatively small number of people. On the other hand, they should have come forward and said okay, we made a mistake. We were under pressure. We made a mistake but theyre still trying to justify it and argue it wasnt torture, which is nonsense, and say well, it was unknowable whether it was effective and all of that kind of thing. Lets just i think if they had stepped forward and said we did some things we wish we hadnt under duress, were not going to do that, i think we could put this behind us but they keep trying to justify it, and its unjustifiable. I have to quickly turn you to the border, simply because i know that you were down there for part of this weekend to take a look at this surge of unaccompanied minors that weve seen coming across the rio grande basically into texas. Did you see anything down there, talk to anyone down there that sort of framed your view of what congress and the president ought to be doing . Yes, i did, and i tried to look i tried to say okay, where are the bottlenecks . Whats holding all of this up . And the principal bottleneck, candy, is in the judicial system, the immigration courts. The Border Patrol people are doing a great job dealing with these kids as they come across, and by the way, the numbers have fallen dramatically in the last four to six weeks. The huge numbers that were coming in, in may and june, are way off. We dont know why that is. I asked a number of people. They thought everything from maybe the words getting out in Central America this isnt going to work to just the hot weather in texas and mexico this time of year, we dont know, but the numbers are way down. Theyre handling the kids well, but when they get to the process where they need to be determined whether or not they are legitimate refugees, thats where it breaks down. Thats where it breaks down because it takes a couple of years. Exactly. And thats inexcusable. I think if i was going to recommend two things, it would be get the word out in Central America this isnt going to work, and two, lets process these kids through this refugee determination process, a lot faster. Thats going to take more judges, more courtrooms, more lawyers but thats something we can do. I dont think it needs 3. 7 billion. I think it can be done for a lot less. The other thing to say is, these are great people down there working hard. I got to run. Senator angus king, thank you so much. Thank you. 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I want to first pick up with the cia, its mission it did in fact spy and hack into computers of the senate Intelligence Committee which as you know one of two committees supposed to be watching what the cia is doing. There was an article in the new york times, an editorial actually dog the cia basically a lawless culture saying this is not a couple of moving personnel around. This is about changing that culture and changing the cia at its core. At its core, does the cia need to change . Oh, boy, thats a fairly serious charge for an agency that is trying to stop the proliferation of Nuclear Weapons thats the ones that allowed the president to go out and say that the inf treaty with the russians was in violation and oh, byes way, theyre trying to stop innocent americans from getting slaughtered by terrorists all around the world. I would be cautious to say that theyre rotten to the core. I think thats wrong on the face of it. Think of it. This is the third cia director in my four years as chairman, number one, and the narrative of this i think is very, very important. I think the narrative is quite wrong. This notion that they hacked into congressional they thought the Senate Committee had something they shouldnt have and trying to figure out how they got it. I think its wrong. Somebody needs to be held accountable. Who is somebody . Should brennan go . Were going through the review. Somebody made a decision to do it but arer these werent Senate Computers. These were cia computers at the cia, so i think you have to take that into consideration when youre walking through. Were kind of dancing on the head of a pin. Well, no, in the sense its a bit complicated but the story when briefed by the ig, it makes you stop and pause and say somebody needs to be held accountable, this is very serious but i dont think this is some conspiracy motion that they wanted to spy on either of our committees. Than would of course be intollerible, i think it would be a crime. This somebody overstepped their bounds by trying to figure out what the coding was on who had access to cia computers and cia spaces, thats a little bit different than spying on congress, in my mind. Still serious breach. It is a very serious breach of trust, but i dont think this should be taken and extrapolated that every cia officer out there is operating under this culture of lawlessness. As a matter of fact i argue they go the extra mile. They are absolutely concerned about making sure they follow the law especially when theyre operating overseas and trying to do some really difficult work to keep america safe. In the end, though, theyre responsible for the actions of their employees. Right. I think that in some ways, as youve heard, there have been democrats and republicans calling for the resignation of john brennan at the cia. Right. Fairly or not, hes at the top, and the question here is, does the theres the nsa and all the things that its been accused of doing, and sort of overstepping its bounds into the privacy of americans. Now we have the cia, and that they overstep their bounds, looking at the very committee thats supposed to be watching over the cia and it gives you this impression that after 9 11 we just went way too far and that we have given up too much in exchange for the safety. And thats why its so important that the narrative be right, and it be based on the same set of facts. If we can all agree on the same set of facts well have an honest dialogue what the Intelligence Committee should look like and what should they be doing on behalf of the United States. I think that its tougher in the court of Public Opinion when the narrative is not based on data points. So if i listen to this debate without hearing the ig report, which i did this week, it sounds like they hacked into the Senate Computers at the senate offices, shocking. But thats not what happened, and so it happened at the cia with cia computers, and what happened was, there was a difference in the setting that allowed them to get certain information. The way they did it was, is, again, needs to be held accountable. However, the narrative is different. So thats why if if were going to go after the agencies who need the support of the american public, let as do it in a way that addresses the facts of what happened, so that we dont get into this diminishing their role around the world. We need them at the top of their game, and ill tell you, theres some really bright and professional people who are engaged in this activity, who are turning around, hoping america is standing with them when theyre risking their lives for their country. Quickly, i have to turn you to the border. Governor perry talked earlier about historic record highs of people from afghanistan, syria, and pakistan, coming across the mexicantexas border. Are there historic highs, is that true, and if so, is there any reason to believe that these are people who would do us harm, that these are, in fact, terroristbound folks . Well, again, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, we noticed a very dangerous trend a few years ago when the iranian quds force, their external terrorist group, if you will, supported by the country of iran, was planning an operation to use the southern border to infiltrate people into the United States to kill the saudi ambassador. So clearly our enemies and our adversaries understand that it is a weakness. We have seen a trend of countries that we are very concerned about, a rise in individuals being apprehended at the border. The scary part about that is those are just the ones that get apprehended. So a porous southern border is now on the advertising list for those who want to do nefarious activities entering the United States. Everything from criminal activity, gangs, weve seen that surely, human trafficking, and now you see these groups who, we believe, are connected in some way with terrorist organizations at least having the understanding and now you see the apprehensions behind it, doesnt take a Rocket Science to figure out that they figured out it is a weakness in our National Security. Where the holes are. Yes. Chairman mike rogers, thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Just when it looks like republicans could rest back control of the senate, House Republicans go off message. Our roundtable is up next. Let me get this straight. [ female voice ] yes . Lactaid® is 100 real milk . Right. Real milk. But it wont cause me discomfort. Exactly, no discomfort, because its milk without the lactose. And it tastes . 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Okay, heres what caught my attention this week, written before House Republicans kind of imploded over what they would and would not do visavis the border crisis, there was a headline from the hill newspaper, and it read, dont screw this up, gop senators tell house. Expecting election win, republicans nervous of slipuns. A paragraph in a story written by ald sander bolden Senate Republicans have put subtle pressure on house members to avoid a messy fight over the border bill, impeachment or a government shutdown. Who House Republicans extract defeat from the jaws of what Senate Republicans thought would be a victory in the midterms . Absolutely. Im licking my chops right now, as this is happening. Over the last 48 hours, weve begun to see that already. Putting the most extreme immigration bill forward is one way of doing that. Continuing impeachment talk, continuing lawsuit talk is really, really important. Democrats have overstated the extent to which this is happening for fundraising purposes, no doubt, but republicans are giving us all the ammunition we need. Well, i mean the kind of, the missteps of 2010 and 2012 are i think are still looming for people, still kind of feeling the legitimate rape comment and things like that, if you can keep people quiet then everything will be okay, and the reality is that the policies are what people have a problem with. The majority of americans want Immigration Reform to move forward, and the republicans in the house arent doing that. If you look at it, sure, there are slipups here and there, that democrats are sending out the fund raising emails by the dozen it feels like by the hundreds sometimes, but really in reality, its that policies that americans want are not moving through congress. The good news is we have, as republicans, much better candidates than we did two years ago. We have strong candidates for the senate and also for house races. The bad news is that this week, between the lawsuit that democrats have ably conflated into impeachment, which is no such thing but thats what they turned it into and turned it into a stunt to raise money and this immigration spectacle that republicans put on in the house at the end of the week, weve done, frankly, what president obama hasnt been able to do, energize his base, energize deflated latinos and energize the democrat base. You agree with that . No. Do tell. First of all, this nonsense about the senate, the two leading figures urging the House Republicans were senator sessions, who say Senior Member of the Judiciary Committee who deeply opposed the president s use of the executive order and senator cruz. So if the senator leaders want to talk to somebody they should talk to sessions and cruz. I think they tried and failed. The problem with the Republican Leadership is the problem. They cant keep the senate out of their sand box. Of course they cant and you never do. Jack kemp and i used to go to the senate all the time on tax policy. Its a free society. Youre allowed to do this but notice whats happening. You have the Kaiser Foundation report that obamacare is weaker than are, withever, with a cleay now opposed to the bill, you have a continuing weak economy which may worse. You have a situation in which the president s people are desperately looking for something. They are lying about impeachment, which is not going to happen but its raising money for them. The president i suspect is preparing an unconstitutional executive order which by the way his weakest area is immigration, and i suggest to you if he signs an executive order that legalizes 5 Million People that the cost to them in the senate will be horrendous, which is why two Democratic Senators have already come out pbl publicly a said please dont do this. You may be overstating the president operating outside the boundaries of the constitution. Youre kidding. Im not. You cant legalize 5 Million People, you cant legalize illegal people but what you can do is deportation set enforcement priorities. The president is trying to expand the priorities or shift those priorities. I think this was completely a political trap by the white house. Of course. I dont think they intended to do sweeping executive action like theyve been threatening. I think what they wanted was to get the republicans flailing their arms screaming holy murder, setting their hair on fire, which they have done through this border bill and the attached one that they passed as well, and that way it takes the attention and it takes the pressure off of president obama. He goes from being the deporterinchief, with i is what he has been to latinos to all of a sudden, well maybe we compare him to republicans hes not that bad. The problem is people thinking the end game is a message or fund raising. The end game should be legislation and the fact but arent both sides guilty of that . The end game is always we need to win in the midterms. I think both sides are now going to be committed for the next 90 days to win the election. I think the democrats have a much weaker hand and candidly, if the end game was legislation youd have to replace senator reid who successfully blocked 390 bills that came out of the house. I think we are where we are. The republicans are going to go into the Fall Campaign on simple things like the pipeline, which is a 68 issue, fixing obamacare, which is about a 68 issue, a whole series of things, controlling the border which is the number one concern of the American People, if you say immigration, not true in latino community, everywhere else in america controlling the border is the number one issue. Obama is going to continue to slide i think. The worlds going to continue to get worse, and all of that, if i were a democrat, would make me very nervous. Youre absolutely right. We know the senate also didnt pass legislation. If the end game is legislation, the senate did not pass the legislation on the border bill. Yet their dysfunctionality for some reason is less visible than the gops on the house side and we got to get that under control. It doesnt help you put a bill to the floor and suddenly dont have the votes and have to pull it back. People forget also that this was the first time that the Republican House Leadership Team was actually out in play. Cantor stepped down. You have new people there, you have a new whip, you have a new majority leader and their ability to do their jobs and get their act together and their failure to do that was on display 37 it does make good theater, does make a good show. In the last 24 hours, having been speaker, in the legislative process, when youre going through something thats content, they had a great week on the highway bill, a fabulous week on Veterans Administration form including forms no democrat would have voted for a year ago. For this bill to go after dhaka, after deferred enforcement for the dreamers i call it dumbbolic, dumb symbol youism. You and i know its for naught, not for a law ever. It is sending a message to latino that its counterproductive for republicans. We keep digging ourselves into a deeper and deeper hole. Thats why i say our hand is not as weak as youre speaking to. No matter how much you get a highway bill and a veterans bill, a cruel and cynical deportation proposal which people cheered for, they cheered all about supporting it. They were cheering because they were going home. Even more childish. It is childish but a message bill against immigrants as you go on a fiveweek vacation is bad. You can represent the people who dont want the border controlled. Well represent the people who want the border controlled. We will win that vote by about two and a half these kids are turning themselves over to Border Patrol. Were catching people. When youre seeing kids go through the border and turn themselves in, its very hard to make the argument that the border is secure. It just becomes the images dont help you with that argument. Welcome to border agents, and turning themselves in, ultimate border security. The bottom line is that the bill they tried to pass in the house on border security, forget the dreamer aspect, was actually a good bill. It was a short bill for a short time but it was a good bill and it was a selfinflicted wound by some republicans to not allow that bill to pass. Ana navarro, Marc Lamont Hill, newt gingrich, erikka knuti, thank you all very much. Appreciate. The scandal that brought down Richard Nixon, 40 years later. Carl bernstein and dan rather on the watergate legacy. train horn vo wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. Norfolk southern. One line, infinite possibilities. Veggies youre cool. Reworking the menu. Mayo, corn dogs. You are so out of here ahh. 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I spoke with both earlier and asked if their perspective on things has changed over time. Well, of course over 40 years what hasnt changed . But the fundamental things, no, not changed. The fundamental things being what watergate, what we call, quote, watergate in shorthand for a widespread criminal conspiracy that was vetted in part by the president of the United States himself out of the oval office. Thats one thing. Second thing is that were committed to the idea and the ideal in this country that no person, not even a president of the United States, is above the law. I think dans assuming there because i think gate has been used to trivialized everything. It has trivialized what happened. This was not just about one man. I mean, in the end thats who we talk about which is Richard Nixon. This was a widespread conspiracy. First of all, this was about a criminal presidency led by a criminal president , and what the watergate conspiracy was is something that began in the first days of the nixon presidency when he authorized all kinds of illegal activities by the same people who years later broke into the watergate. Well, john and the rest but goddammit, im never going to discuss this watergate thing again. This was a criminal presidency that just rotted. When you look back at that Famous Exchange between you and president nixon, explain that to me sort of in situ. What happened at that point . What happened, the president kept trying to get the country to believe his narrative, but a special prosecutor was beginning to close in on him with the facts. So when i rose to ask him a question, the question was going to be, how do you reconcile the facts presented by the special prosecutor. Thank you, mr. President. Dan rather with cbs news. Are you running for something . No, sir, mr. President. Are you . Everybody remembers that. Nobody remembers the question which, by the way, as it was his want, he ducked and dodged away. Theres one aspect to this, and your question is a great one, that it was republicans who ultimately came to realize that Richard Nixon was a criminal president and had to leave office. Himself. Barry goldwater, the great conservative, led a delegation of republican senators and congressmen to the white house and sat across from Richard Nixon, who had been the subject of an Impeachment Vote by the house Judiciary Committee, was about to be impeached by the full house, and nixon looked at goldwater and said, barry, how many votes do i have in the senate . Thinking goldwater would tell him, you can win, mr. President , and goldwater looked at him and said, i dont know, mr. President , but you dont have my vote and you cannot win. And that was the real turning point when nixon said to himself, i have to leave office. But still it seemed to me it was so shocking when you learned he really was going to resign. It seemed almost impossible. Do you remember that moment . I remember it vividly can das. I shall resign the presidency effective noon tomorrow. For the longest time i and through the whole press core, we didnt want to believe that the president himself was involved. We kept thinking, it will stop short of the presidency, but the facts lets be clear that what Carl Bernstein and bob woodward did was they were primarily the generators of the critical facts that brought us to the point where it became increasingly obvious that at the very least the president was lying. Thats a tough word but theres no other word for it, but it wasnt until late spring when i said to myself, dan, lets dont kid yourself. You know what the facts shout here. Could a coverup of this magnitude and going to this level happen again today . An unequivocal less. Let us hope and pray it doesnt happen. Could it happen . Yes. 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