I spent half my life working with the criminal justice system, and ive seen lives devastated by violence. We like to imagine that after the verdict, the story is over. The victim and the offender are never meant to meet again. But for some, the only way to move forward is to come face to face with the person who shattered their lives. So im here in twin lakes, wisconsin, population 6,041. People live here because they expect it to be peaceful and safe for their kids, but the chaos has come here in the form of this opioid crisis. And this town was torn apart by a horrific accident in june of 2013. Nathan walters was killed by somebody who was high on heroin. I want to meet with nathans mother, michelle. Shes a veteran teacher at a local elementary school. She wants to meet with the man whos responsible for her only sons death, and i want to find out why. Good to meet you. Good to meet you, too. Welcome to twin lakes. Glad to be here. Its its so massive, i got lost several times. So how long have you lived here . Almost 24 years. I grew up in a small town. Wasnt this small. But when a bad thing happened, everythi everybody knew about it. It hit everybody. Uhhuh. So i have had too many student funerals that ive had to go to. Yeah. We are a gateway between chicago, milwaukee, minneapolis. The interstate system is a breeding grounds for opioids and i talk to my kids about this all the time. You have to make good choices, and your choices have consequences. And if one child changes their mind because they see my tears or they understand what my familys had to go through because of somebody elses bad choices, then its worth my time. And its worth my effort and its worth my tears. Because my kids are worth that. All of them. Tell me more about nathan. My son was part of an extended family of boy scouts. He was an eagle scout. He had just had his eagle scout ceremony a month prior to this accident. He was an old soul. He liked going fishing with his grandfather and he liked talking to his grandfather about the way things worked and he liked fidgeting with locks and, you know, he was just a unique kid and a special kid. Nathan was 16 years old. When the accident happeneded. Need help . I suppose. This dress. The black ones or my shitkickers . Regular. He was older than me and i would always give him crap that wed only be a year apart for who months. A lot of my childhood was me trying to prove that i could do things that my brother could, so i followed him to cub scouts and boy scout meetings, and in high school, he did wrestling and i became a wrestling manager because i was, like, oh, well, i can do this, too. There are about three things that we did, it was family, faith, and football, and there was only one team, so who . Oh, green bay. Bye. Shoo, shoo. Love you. Bye. Be good. Be careful. Okay. Be good, be careful. Bye. Bye. The day of the accident was pretty busy. We were all getting ready to go on vacation the next day. Nathan knew the neighbors and would mow their lawn. And my brother didnt want to hassle anybody to put the trailer back on the truck to go get him. So he rode the lawn mower back. It was about a mile from our house to the house where he was mowing the lawn. And the doorbell rang, and there was a sheriffs deputy at the door. And he told my dad that nate had been in an accident and had been flight for livfe ed to Childrens Hospital in milwaukee. We knew it was very serious and we had no idea if he would be alive or not when we got there. He had a brain injury and his brain was swelling. Youre just kind of in a state of shock. You cry a lot. You hope a lot. And you just assume that things are going to be okay. Is after about a week and a half in the icu, they told us if he woke up, he would not be the same person. They told us that his organs were starting to shut down and that he was not going to come back. And so we made the decision to remove life support. Going through all of that was really, really hard, and it still is. And when they turned off ventilator, then he was gone. And my mom cried in my lap. I hope that i continue to work toward some kind of peace and i know that my husband finds peace in his own way. But its just not through this type of process. Grief is just one of those things that everybody has to find their own way. Everybody has to find their own journey. Sometimes, we talk about this as an accident, but when you think about it, do you think about it as an accident . What happened to your son. No. I dont think its an accident. The offender was traveling down the road, hit nathan from behind. Nathan was thrown off the lawn mower and landed on the pavement. The offender was high on heroin, and when i read who the offender was, i remembered him as a student in one of the classrooms that i worked in. You recognized that name. Oh, i recognized the name and i closed my eyes and see a face. I could tell you where he last sat in that room. I had a yearbook from 1994 and i showed my husband, i said, thats him. Thats who hit our son. Why do you want to talk to the man whos responsible for this . I want him to understand that nathan was not just a part of a fourperson family. There is a hole in this communi community. And if he does this again or he doesnt fix whats broken, he will cause more pain to more people. I care about what he does in his future because he took somebody great and now the only place i can see him is in a cemetery. And in pictures. And in memories. Thats it. And he took that. Its either the assurance of a 165point certification proces. Or it isnt. Its either testing an array of advanced safety systems. Or it isnt. Its either the peace of mind of a standard 5year unlimited mileage warranty. Or it isnt. For those who never settle, its either mercedesbenz certified preowned. Or it isnt. 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Just walk me through what happened that night. I worked all day in the city of chicago, putting in water main. Think i got off around 5 00, cashed my check. I got some drugs. I used. And then i drove home. I remember i got to wilmot to fill up with gas. I think i got a candy car. So i go past the airport in wilmot, i hit the fourway stop. I climb the hill. Theres a steady climb of a hill. This is june. Im heading straight west. Its about 7 30 at night. The sun is just over the trees, and im heading into the sun. Ive driven this road a million times. When i hit the top of the hill, it crests and it starts to go down again, and as i crest the hill, i hit something. I wake up. My windshield cracked. My airbag in my face. And i look up the road and i see theres i hit somebody. Somebody riding a lawn mower in the middle of my lane, which i found out after i saw the tire marks in the road before i got in the ambulance. I mean, i didnt see him. The detective said this isnt your fault, but were going to need to take your blood and take a statement. I knew i had used before the accident, and i had fabricated a story. Then they let me go home after the hospital and at that point, the only thing i knew what to do was to get high. To escape from what just happened. In the back of your mind, you got to know youre going to get a phone call. Based on that blood sample. Eight months later, they came with my blood test results. And i told them i had used before the accident. And then eight months after that, they came with a warrant for my arrest. Help me understand this addiction. Tell me about that a little bit. Its been a rough road. I mean, i think it becomes an escape for what you cant have. In such a small town, there isnt that much to do. I grew up playing baseball at 6 years old. That was my passion when i was younger. But i was caught with marijuana in school and that ended my sports career, if you would, in high school. And thats where i got into hard drugs. You go to enough parties, youre with older people, the harder drugs just show up. When i was 23, i started using heroin. Them four years, it was a gradual increase. It would go from using once daily to using a couple times daily then the amount just kept getting bigger. I just felt like i couldnt stop. And then there was the overdose. My heart rate was it was one beat per minute. They shot me up three times with y narcan to get me back. I think i was, like, i want to say 24, 25, maybe, so that was my first o. D. I had a friend who died using fentanyl, which is like an opioid, and it just wrecked our whole world, you know. And just got me interested in this whole opioid epidemic. Why has this taken on so much momentum . The drug is slyklike, have y ever seen spiderman 3 when he puts on the venom suit, hes trying to get it off but he cant get it off, thats pretty much what it does to you. It will grab ahold of you and it wont let go. When you meet nathans mom, whats the best thing that could come out for you . I hope that she can accept my apology. Could have been anybody driving down that road at that exact moment, but it was me. So i have to take responsibility for my actions. But the way i feel, i dont think he should have been on the road, either. And maybe a different scenario would have played out if i wasnt on drugs, or if he wasnt in the road. You know taking full responsibility, youre taking half responsibility. His mom might hear it that way. I mean, how do you how do you measure the way that might land for her, for anybody . Well, its a whatif game. And i dont want to play that game. But if you want to talk about it, its not 1000. I mean, its going to. Be a challenge, though, because on the one hand, you want to offer the apology, on the other hand, 100 0 , how do you imagine shes going to receive that . 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Sandra, i want you to see something. It says in memory of nathan walters. Its been there since he died. I think its going to be more emotionally shocking than we can even predict. Oh. Im not sure well even be prepared for it. Karla is my support person because she has been through a lot with me. We raised our kids together, and the boys were in scouts together. They were phenomenal friends, and i feel honored that shes willing to go with me. The ripples that this has caused, you know, go out and out and out and to the whole community. He changed everything for a lot of people. Hopefully, the outcome will be positive. Its what my faith tells me, and i try to believe that every day when i wake up. That he deserves forgiveness and the ability to go on. We pray, oh, god, that you would fill us with your spirit and set us on fire to help bring about the world you intend where there is reconciliation, where there is youre a person of faith. Do you think youve forgiven him . I would like to say that im a work if progress on that. I think that a lot of people think that thats something that you can do very easily. And i wish i could say that thats done. But when you have to let go of your child, it doesnt go. So i work on it, and i hope someday ill get there. Were here in wisconsin. Its one of the kind of Restorative Justice, i guess, meccas. Been long time you guys have been doing this type of stuff. What does Restorative Justice mean to you . To me, it looks at this idea of providing an opportunity to bring together victims, offenders, and community as a complete alternative to the traditional l system. Or use it to supplement mment t traditional system to allow the opportunity to move forward. When you think about the case were going to be looking at, how do you see this . I mean, ive mitt both parties now. Shes outspoken and shes clear and hes still kind of i think finding his way tounsing exactly how much responsibility he wants to take. You take people where theyre at. You know, weve spent a great deal of time preparing both individuals. Its an opportunity for them to experience hopefully some amount of healing . I think a lot of times when people think about getting people together, something terrible happened, its all about kind of forgiving and then being able to move on. Whats the role of forgiveness in this dialogue . Well, forgiveness is a very personal choice. It means something very different to different people. So thinking about this case, is it possible . Sure. But the chief motivation is m e making sure that nathans life means something and that thomas in a way has to live for two people here. He has to sort of live for himself but he also has to live for nathan because hes responsible for his death. Hey, mama. One more day. My mom just, you know, she loves me to death, and she was, you know, she feels like she didnt protect me or she always thinks that she could have done something different. Uhhuh. Shes been there from day one. Two weeks after the accident, my father had came and got me to bring me back home, and it was kind of like a mini intervention. They figured out a plan to help me out. And that was the first time that i wanted help. My rock bottom was someone having to die to get me to open my eyes. I went to rehab. I went to florida for 60 days. Ive been sober for almost 3 1 2 years. I mean, considered im in prison, which makes it a lot harder to even be around drugs, but, i mean, that time counts. This does not look like a prison. I mean, it almost looks like a park or a university campus. How much of this is the rehab part . I look at it like theyre giving you enough rope to hang yourself, and this is the test. Do you imagine that she still has anger toward you . I do, but i think just us coming together to have a meeting and a conversation shows the, a willingness to forgive. 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What about this particular case file was important to you . This is kind of what was missing in our eyes, in our criminal justice system, is this idea of actually looking at what was the harm and how can we repair it both in the individuals directly affected by it and the community at large . So what is it that i guess youre most concerned about . Just the acceptance, i guess. Hopefully i can give her what shes looking for and ultimately we weak out with a sense of peace. Yeah, she really just wants your honest just to be honest. I think thats the biggest thing. She just wants the truth. Thats sort of one of those things, can i trust or believe what hes saying right . If he doesnt take responsibility or ownership of this, you know, how am i able to sort of contextualize or believe Everything Else thats hes saying . Start of justice means taking a cup that you slammed on the ground and trying to glue it back together. Its nevever going to be completely whole again but you can give it your best shot. Its the last family photo we took. This is going to be emotional, painful. Everything is painful. Has that feeling gotten stronger the closer we get to this . Its been pretty steady. I want to hold hem accountable. Yeah. Uhhuh. I dont think hes shown responsibility yet because hes confined. Of course. So when he gets out, i hope that he understands that people are not going to keep quiet if he does make mistakes. Weve talked to him many times about, its one thing to say things will be different but actually coming back to town and what steps are you putting in place . And thats something that, you know, is he needs to talk about. Its going to be a long day. Yeah. Every day that ive been in here in prison, i have thought about what their family must be going through. I want him to be very clear about what he did, what he took, and how he plans to honor my son. Of course, im anxious. Theres always going to be a certain fear of the whole situation. Dear heavenly father, please be with michelle and give her peace. Please be with tommy so his heart is softened and hes free to hear all that she wants him to know. Amen. Amen. I dont know if mrs. Walters has any anger toward me. I wont know until i get into the room. How do you prepare yourself for staring across the table to somebody that has taken the life of your child . Im not sure what my reaction will be. Its either the assurance of a 165point certification proces. Or it isnt. Its either testing an array of advanced safety systems. Or it isnt. Its either the peace of mind of a standard 5year unlimited mileage warranty. Or it isnt. For those who never settle, its either mercedesbenz certified preowned. Or it isnt. The mercedesbenz certified preowned sales event. Now through may 31st. Only at your authorized mercedesbenz dealer. 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Listen, before we get started, i just want to, you know, thank everybody for taking the time and all the effort that you put into preparing to come to this space today to have this conversation. Okay. Okay. Well, this journey started for all of us on june 14th, 2013. Thats only where this nightmare altered my life. Whether you realize it or not, my world of teaching started in 1994. I became a teachers aide. I worked with special education students in second and third grade. You were in third grade in miss barons room. I need you to understand that you stole dreams from my family. My son never graduated from high school. He will never have a wedding. My son will never rock his children to sleep. Tell them the same bedtime stories as his father told him. My husband and i will not spoil my sons children. These are all choices that you took from my family. Im here to see if i can find any peace. I wanted to do this because i want to look you in the eye and tell you that im sorry for your loss. There isnt any day that i dont think about that day, and throughout the court process, i didnt take accountability. I lied my way out of things, and thats what i was accustom to doing. And when that when the crash happened, i wasnt ready to be honest with anyone or even myself. I knew i was doing things wrong, and i couldnt i couldnt i couldnt stop. Being clear minded now and looking back at what i used to do and what i used to be and what ive caused your family, i dont want to be that person anymore. I have Better Things to offer than be a junkie from twin lakes. Since we sort of moved into it, i think it might make sense, actually, to talk about thomas addiction. I started using drugs in high school. A girl in the study hall got money stolen out of her purse. They searched everyone in the classroom that day, and i happened to have drugs on me. Am i allowed to Say Something . Because what i want you to go back, tommy, it was because of these other conditions. You need to get to the place where you take responsibility. You understand . Again, thats where youre messing up. Its not the drug thats powerful. Its the soul thats broken and thats what you need to figure out. What i mean, yes, nathans gone, what what would have gotten you there . Other than this. What would have gotten you to the point where you said, i need to change. I dont answer that honestly, i dont think i dont think at that rate, i dont know. This isnt just for my son whos not here and never took drugs or never smoked, never did anything. This is for my 23 years worth of kids that i buried. I see broken kids all the time and they turn to those drugs because they cant fix something. So youve got 2 1 2 years to figure out what was broken in that third grader. Because hes still there. And i still see him. Its either the assurance of a 165point certification proces. Or it isnt. 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The point is you need to figure out what was broke nen that little boy. Thats what im working on right now before i get released. Me and you talking is part of the process. And need this. Just like i needed to hear that. Do you have a plan that when you get out and you say you are not going to use, thats a real tough thing when you get back into an environment where you have access to it. My plan is to keep this good momentum going. For also helps to look at what you see as the roadblocks. There are many roadblocks. Thats the choice that i have to make. There is a beer over there or im at a family party and they are all drinking and im not. Maybe its a difference in a family party. Maybe thats something for them to think about. If you dont tell them what you need in order to be successful, their life has gone on. I had to figure that out as nathan has been gone and i had to tell people the right way to talk to me and act around me. They dont know what they dont know. It was hard to do Little Things like sell his car. Sell the truck that he learned to drive in to replace things he last touched. Those things were and are horrible. And sometimes i can hear his voice. But its the things you forget that are really hard. Im sorry. Im sorry. What hopes do you have for one another Going Forward from this . Sobriety, success, and fix whats broken. I just hope you can just be the same person. It will be wonderful. I just hope you can forgive me. Its mine to do. I hear you. I want to thank both of you. Thank you for coming today and for the work both of you put in to getting to this point. Frankly a lot of work yet to come. Thank you. How are you doing . Its tough. Is it what you were expect something. Not at all. What surprised you . Just the way she is relating to me. One of her big things she wants is something positive to come out of this. She wants you to do better. My mom is the same way. I talk for a living and i dont have any words. It was just grace in this room. You know, maybe like meeting her is an extra push. Like knows who you are going to be held accountable to. Exactly. I just want her to know that im really serious. I dont plan on coming back here. That is the tree in our front yard and when nathan saw it, he said we can buy the house now. Powerful kid. Powerful testimony. I have to give you a hug. Yeah, of course. You did something really spectacular. I wish you all the best. Thank you very much. I hope to get to forgiveness one day. I hope so. Got forgives us every day. He asks us to do it all the time. If im able to get to forgiveness, then i can see nathan. This week on united shades of america, we are in washington, d. C. , the nations capital. We are not talking to people up here. No, thats washington. We are down here in d. C. Down here, d. C. Doesnt stand for district