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Offices after two people crashed through an outer gate. They moved closer to an inner gate thats guarded by nsa police. Joining me now is cnn justice reporter evan perez. We also have tom fuentes, Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director. So what really is the latest here evan . Well brianna, its still a very strange case. We have two men, both wearing wigs apparently in this vehicle that tried to breach wigs meaning dressed as women . Yes, dressed as women, correct. Okay. Womens wigs. And they tried to crash through one of the outer perimeter gates to the complex that houses the nsa headquarters at fort meade. Its clear exactly what their intention was. No motivation is known. The fbi right now says that they have no indications that this is terrorism related. We have pictures of one of the wigs down there found at the scene. One of the men was shot dead by an nsa Police Officer who responded to the incident. The second has been taken to the hospital and is being treated. Now, when theyre able to try to interview this person they try to figure out what exactly was happening. They found uggdrugs inside the car. That we see right there at the scene as well. Its again, not clear whether this was something that was mistaken that they accidentally tried to get into the complex and perhaps when they were confronted this led to some very bad mistakes additional mistakes being made. But we do know that the fbi doesnt think its a terrorism incident and they just think its a headscratching one right now. They dont even know. Its very confusing, tom. But when you have Something Like this happen and we cant quite make heads or tails of what it is at this point, whats the training level for those guards who are at this inner gate . Well theyre not at the inner gate yet brianna, theyre at the outer gate. Regardless any of the gates, if youre trying to take a vehicle through a barricade at the gate and its not authorized you will be shot dead, very simple training. Thats it. Thats it. And so where do they go from here in terms of the investigation . Well at this time brianna, the fbi says that theyre, going to try to see whether or not theres any charges to be brought against the remaining individual if he is able to recover. Again, this is something that was, you know just so strange. The facts are just so strange. So odd. So odd. They react very strongly obviously, because you cant have any kind of security incident. This is one of the bestguarded federal facilities in this region. Is this just we had a similar incident about 10 or 15 years ago at Andrews Air Force base in maryland where somebody tried to drive through the barricades crashed their way through, and was shot dead. Turns out to be a teenager that had some kind of mental problem. But it doesnt matter. Theyre not in a position to let somebody get through to a secure area thats that well protected. And that does make sense. Tom fuentes, thank you. Evan perez, thanks to you as well. Lets turn to todays other big story. We are learning new details about the mental state of the copilot in the germanwings plane crash. He showed no signs of suicidal tendencies before he crashed the plane into the french alps. But he was suicidal several years ago. Before he became a pilot. And thats what a spokesman for the german prosecutor told reporters this morning. Yet he had at that time been in treatment of a psychotherapist because of what is documented as being suicidal at that time. At that time. Prosecutors also say they found no signs that Andreas Lubitz suffered from a physical medical illness. Reports say that he was having problems with his eyesight but a Government Official familiar with the investigation says that an eye doctor told lubitz the problem was actually psychosomatic, that it wasnt physical. This video obtained by cnn shows lubitz flying a glider near his family home. Hes joking with his instructor. This was shot about a decade ago. And the german newspaper bild has published chilling details of flight 9525s final moments. The pilot trying desperately to get back into the cockpit, alarms warning the plane to pull up as it descended into the mountains. The paper says that its report is based on audio from the cockpit voice recorder. Prosecutors say that nothing they found so far in the crash investigation answers this lingering question of why. What was the motive of lubitzs . Senior International Correspondent Fred Pleitgen joining us from germany. The German Prosecutors Office confirmed that doctors declared lubitz unfit to work or to fly. What more have we learned from the investigation into his physical and his mental state . Reporter well its really interesting, isnt it. And one of the Big Questions is that why they declared him unfit to fly. What exactly the reason was. And it seems as though we can shed a little bit of light on that. Our own pam brown has also found out from an official thats very close to the investigation that apparently at least one of the reasons why he was declared unfit to fly, at least part of the reason was the fact that his eye problems were psychosomatic. That of course is very significant because as weve been noting theres been a lot of speculation here in germany about whether or not he might have had some sort of physical condition. Again, the prosecutors came out earlier today and said that he did not have any sort of physical condition. The other very interesting part about this as well is that he also went to the University Clinic in dusseldorf to get checked as well. We do know he was unfit to fly, that he did hide from from his employer. This is something that germanwings told us. They also said that he had passed a physical. He passed the medical examination in the summer of 2014. And they said listen. If there would have been something wrong with his eyes something physical wrong with his eyes our doctors would have found out. So very significant finding that our pam brown made there. That at least part of the reason why he was declared unfit to fly was the fact that his eye condition appeared to be something that was psychosomatic. Yeah was he hallucinating. That may be one of the questions. You have this newspaper bild that is publishing whats really pretty horrifying details from the planes final moments. It certainly reveals a lot, though. Walk us through this time line. Reporter it certainly does. And you know one of the things that it seems to reveal is that this flight seemed to start off pretty normal except for the fact that it was about 20 minutes late. But it also reveals that apparently possibly, Andreas Lubitz the copilot from the very beginning, tried to do everything he could to get his captain out of the cockpit. The captain said that because of the delay, he hadnt managed to go to the bathroom before taking off in barcelona. Lubitz says dont worry, you can go at any time. Now, that happens at around 38,000 feet when the plane reaches cruising altitude. At that point, again, lubitz tells the captain, you can go now. And the captain at that point does exit the cockpit. Now, shortly after that the plane starts descending. This is something thats picked up by air traffic radar. And shortly after that at around 10 32 local time air Traffic Control tries to get in touch with the plane but receives no answer. Again, a couple of minutes later, the pilot, the captain, can be heard banging on the outside of the door saying for gods sake open the door. However, of course Andreas Lubitz does not do that. Then at around 5,000 meters in altitude a warning goes off in the cockpit saying pull up terrain. That of course because the plane is descending towards the mountains that are pretty high and realizes that its not in a landing configuration. So not ready to land at all. Shortly after that again, a metallic banging sound is heard on the door as though possibly the captain is trying to knock the door down. At that point he says open the goddamn door then at 10 40 local time what happens is the investigators say they believe they hear the sound of most probably the right wing scraping over a mountaintop, shortly after that the passengers in the cabin can be heard screaming, and that is when this recording ends. Its very chilling details. Of course, we cannot independent independently verify the authenticity of what we hear there. The french investigators in charge of all this the bae says its dismayed that anything like this could be leaked. Brianna . Certainly very unusual. All right, Fred Pleitgen thank you so much. Coming up a lot of clues there, right . What do they tell us about the copilot . No doubt that he was troubled but how debilitating was his Mental Illness . Well be discussing that. And then later, another stumbling block in the iran nuclear talks. Is it enough to sink any deal . Thats ahead. Man sternly where do you think youre going . Mr. Mucus to work, with you. Its taco tuesday. Man youre not coming. I took mucinex to help get rid of my mucusy congestion. Im go od all day. [announcer ] mucinex keeps working. Not 4, not 6 but 12 hours. Lets end this lets dig deeper now on the latest developments on the crash in the alps. German prosecutors say that Andreas Lubitz was suicidal several years ago before he became a pilot, but he hadnt been since then. And a french newspaper has detailed issues with Mental Health over the last few years. This includes an incident in 2010 when he was given an injection of an antipsychotic drug. Here with me now in washington to talk about this we have clinical psychologist ruth witterscreen who has also served in the usair. S. Air force, and we have cnn Law Enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. In new york les abend joining me. So i want to talk now about some of what weve learned about lubitzs Mental Health past. Some of this were getting from reports. Some is from prosecutors. But its clear that he had these Mental Health issues some of them potentially very significant. And thats really the question i think. First to you, les, how was lubitz allowed to fly this plane if he had once been deemed suicidal . Its a great question. And first let me go on record brianna, with reference to the cockpit voice recorder transcripts. Never should have been released. Yeah. This is sack rowrosanct. Yes, that really would have sent up a red flag. This man did different than the United States. He was funneled through a program that required a pretty rigorous screening process from what i could tell. And during this rigorous screening process, it sounds like he was excused. Thats a big red flag. If i was the airline, id want to know a lot more details on why this man wasnt able to handle the stress of training, if indeed that was. The details are sketchy, of course. So your point there is that they should have known there was something because he was actually going through the program at the time when he was excused, and so they had it would have been harder for him to hide, you think, right . Absolutely. Okay. You know this is part of the initial process, with it sounds to me with lufthansa. So ruth if there maybe is some kind of tipoff here, are you surprised that with these myriad issues some of which the airline or the program could have been aware that he was allowed to be flying or would you also say, you know what . Someone like that might actually be a safe pilot . I dont think with whats coming out that he was a safe pilot. Yeah. And that if an appropriate assessment before. Had been done. With the information that you knew. With the information we know now, if i were say, employed by an airline to do evaluations i would not see being able to indicate that he was. However, someone who is possibly antisocial kind of psychopath can hide from sometimes even the very best. But there are procedures and i would recommend a procedure called a swath, shedler westin procedure which has been employed by the military recently. And what is that . Its developed by my colleague, jonathan shedler. So what does it do, basically . Its a psychologistsadministered interview versus what is used a lot are these standardized tests. And this is has to be administered by highly trained psychologists. Okay. And then which makes sense, speak to the other issue here of these psychosomatic eyesight issue. This has been a specialty of mine since my early training and it can mean a lot of different things. So i would rather get more specific to what it means for this individual. And for lubitz it appears that i would say most likely he had psychosis. Which means his brain got scrambled in a way that his thoughts were scrambled. He couldnt think through things. Hes out of touch with reality. Hes out of touch with reality, absolutely. Thank you. Yeah. And he this is an exceedingly rare type of event. Yeah. For someone to be this psychotic and for it to not be you know, managed and treated well. So that i want to reassure the public. Its a very rare thing. It shouldnt be associated with Mental Illness as the standard. You know its on a continuum. And most people who have some kind of Mental Health issue are so far from this. This is so extreme on there. So one of the issues here and i wonder tom, some of it we knew a lot of things or officials knew a lot of the prior issues whether or not they knew about the psychosomatic eye issues that he was being checked out for, but they knew perhaps that there were these red flags. And some they knew some they didnt. How much medical privacy this is my point that im trying to get at how much medical privacy do you think these pilots should have . Should the law change . Brianna, we dont know what the laws are. We havent heard specifics on german law. So the first question is what did the doctors know, and when did they know it . And under german law, if they see someone is unfit to fly an airplane are they under an obligation to report that . If the u. S. If we have a doctor examine somebody and determine that theyre a threat to themselves or to other people theyre supposed to report that either to the police or the employers or both. So the question is that in europe their privacy laws are much more stringent than the u. S. Where the doctor following strict german law or not . We dont know. Les, thats what surprises me that if you find out that Andreas Lubitz was deemed unfit to work or fly, that knowing what his profession was, that maybe the doctor didnt but the doctor perhaps, shouldnt they be required to report that . Well you know i can only speak for the u. S. Brianna. In the u. S. We go every six months to an aviation medical examiner. And primarily its a physical exam. We do have to disclose various things like medical treatments that we received over the last past six months. We have to disclose things like if we attempted suicide. All this, once again, is selfdisclosure. And the doctor is supposed to observe us in kind of a cursory manner. But these folks are not necessarily trained like the doctor you have on as a guest. It involves just observing that particular individual. My particular ame is an e. R. Doc. And there are other doctors that are dentists or dermatologists. So how do you go about training these folks to observe this type of psychosis . Yes, dentists. I dont know about that. All right. Les abend, thank you so much. Appreciate you being with us. Ruth thank you, tom, thanks as well. We have much more on the germanwings tragedy ahead. Time running out for a deal on Irans Nuclear program. Negotiators are staring each other down seeing who will blink first on the latest sticking point. Well talk about it ahead. Well get back to coverage of the plane crash in the alps in a few moments. But right now lets talk about the looming deadline in the Iranian Nuclear talks. Major sticking points revolving around the lifting of sanctions. When how many can they be resumed . But thats not all that is holding up the deal. Our Global Affairs correspondent elise lavitt is in switzerland where the talks are going on. Tell us where we stand right now. Reporter well brianna, all the ministers met with the Iranian Foreign minister today. Unclear whether a deal is at hand. Clearly theyre in the end game and theyre racing towards that finish line. But there are still some very key sticking points. Senior diplomats here at the top telling me that first of all, iran wants to be able to continue to have advanced Nuclear Research and technology in the end years of this deal and continue to enrich uranium. Were told that the International Community wants to keep those restrictions on throughout this what were talking about as a 15year deal. Theyre also talking about the pace of lifting u. N. Security council sanctions, another key sticking point. Iran wants those sanctions lifted on day one. International community is afraid that iran will use those lifted sanctions to buy spare parts for nuclear technology. And so they want to phase those sanctions out as iran shows its compliance with the deal. Now, negotiators say its yes or no time for iran. British foreign minister arriving last night said if iran wants this deal, it needs to take a deep breath and make some tough decisions, brianna. Yeah very tough decisions. And you can see that theyre really far apart on some of these key issues. You have the deadline tomorrow the selfimposed deadline for whats the framework of the deal. So a lot to get past by that time with the final details due by the end of june. Are any other issues coming up in these negotiations . Are we hearing about iraq or yemen and iranian involvement there . Reporter these negotiators have been really trying very hard to keep those issues separately. You know also yemen has not come out in these talks, although secretary kerry and minister zarif spoke about it briefly before one of their meetings. But if you look at whats going on in the region right now, the civil war in syria, whats going on in iraq these negotiations have been going on for about two years all throughout this. These negotiators really trying not to link that because theyre afraid that if they do then iran will try to drive an even harder bargain because they have so much influence in the region. And these iranian negotiators, brianna, are very tough negotiators. So the world powers here trying to make sure that they dont have any more leverage than they already do brianna. Yeah that certainly makes sense as you explained it. Elise labott in switzerland, thanks so much. Still ahead, we are going to talk more about the iran deal. Well talk about the wider effect of it on the middle east. But next its a grim task for investigators in the alps combing the slopes looking for victims remains while families mourn their lost loved ones. Ugh. Heartburn. Did someone say burn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. Alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. Enjoy the relief. Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world. Im Brianna Keilar in for wolf blitzer. Somber scenes playing out in a serene setting. Families of the victims of those aboard flight 9525 are making a grim pilgrimage to the crash site in the french alps. On a beautiful note many local residents there have opened up their homes to the families. Karl penhaul joining us now live from near the crash site. And karl were hearing that authorities are working to build a road so that relatives can actually get as close as possible to the site, right . Reporter good evening to you, brianna. Yeah thats absolutely the case. Because up until now, recovery teams have had to fly into the crash site by helicopter because the terrain is just too rugged to get in there on foot. And so the village mayor here yesterday morning september ant a digger a grader a backhoe into that action. The job is to carve into the mountainside and make a track there so that rescue teams can get there on foot or on atvs. And progress in fact has been surprisingly quick. Theyve already got about 400 yards of that tract done. Theyve reckoned theyve got about twice the length to go still. But by the end of the week recovery teams could be going in on the ground. That should make it a lot quicker to get human remains and parts of the wreckage out. Theres also a little consolation on that front as well because the forensic teams say that so far theyve identified 78 people but also on a sad note they say that because of the speed of the impact because of the speed of the crash, some of the human remains may never be identified because some of those bodies were just pulverized on impact, brianna. Karl with some of the families there, theyre really just starting the grieving process. What are they telling you . Reporter well that is the issue. A lot of the families come right here to memorial plaque a small marble plaque set up over there. But this is still 2 1 2 miles as the crow flies from where the crash actually happened. But families are coming here looking for some peace. I had the chance to talk to the sister of one of the crash victims. Lets take a look. A father grieves. A mother and a sister wonder why. Milad, was a sports journalist from iran. Tamashid he was big brother. He said to one of his friends that if someone killed in the flight crash would be okay because itsyou are in the sky, your soul will go. It has been eight minutes. Reporter eight minutes for the copilot to crash an airliner into the french alps. But milads uncle prefers to focus on his life, not death. He was a fantastic journalist. And hes still one of the best we have in iran. And because he worked not only as a journalist, he worked with his heart. Reporter milad had been in spain with friend and a fellow journalist. They had taken these photos together. They had been covering the soccer game barcelona versus real madrid. Milad was a lifelong barcelona fan. His hero absolutely. Reporter local village mayor francois is here at a memorial site to help console all the grieving families. And on sunday he sent this digger to carve a tract of the crash site. Thats around four kilometers or 2 1 2 miles away as the crow flies, but till now accessible only by helicopter. I felt the families wanted this and they asked me to get them as close as possible as if every meter mattered to them, he says. Relatives asked him to describe the area closest to the crash. This was a corner of paradise, but now there is the before and after the accident, he says. I tell them about the alpine scenery up there where wildflowers grow and melted snow runs in crystal streams. Everything is good for him. But for us we just we just cant calm ourselves down with this picture that he is now the king of the alps. Reporter milad and all those who flew with him, the kings of the alps. The passengers were from at least 18 different nations. Their ages span the generations, but now as the sun goes down on another day, that is where they are, the kings of the alps brianna. Well put. Karl thank you so much for your report there from france. And this tragedy, it is simply shattering for the families involved. You heard from one there. 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Because we have the cockpit voice recorder transcripts that have come out. I think the hope of so many people was that these passengers didnt know what was going on until the last minute. We now learn that wasnt true. For family members who are coping whether its in the short term or the long term is it better for them to is it worse for them to know that there were these several minutes of terror, or is it better to know what really happened . Of course its horrific to imagine what your loved one was going through. My experience is that often the unknown is worse than the known. That what we imagine we can fill in with our worst nightmares. This is the worst nightmare. Yeah. But it really can be helpful. Theres no right answer to this question. But so over time for that loved one to know even if its this horrific thing, this is what happened do they sort of have more of a closeness to the person that they lost because at least they know more what they went through . What i would encourage family members to think of is that in that space of realizing, there is terror but there are a lot of protective things that happen in our brains when there is a trauma going on. And we dont think and process things in the same way that we do when our life is not in danger. So the brain has its own protective mechanisms. Like what . Shock, basically. So you shut down. So that is one comfort, i hope for the families who are grieving. Another is that some people who have experienced i see a lot of people who have been through almost fatal neardeath experiences where theyve almost died. Right, in a car or plane crash or something. And they can talk about it being a space where time slowed down and they had some time to think about, it seemed that their life was coming to an end. And yes, thats very painful, but ive also had people say i would want to know if i were about to die. I would want to have a moment. I would want to process something. I would want to have a moment to pray to think of my loved ones. Yeah. So maybe theres some comfort. Maybe there is some comfort in that because they would have been thinking about their loved ones. Absolutely. Can you give us a sense of you know we know now that lubitz reportedly had antipsychotic injections in 2010. What does that tell us . I think that its becoming more and more clear. As i said when i first was with wolf blitzer here a few days ago, lubitz almost definitely had a psychosis, a psychotic disorder. Yeah. Something was very wrong with his brain. Yeah. And i think that thats what this points to. Yeah. And that would cause potentially delusions that he couldnt see. He could have been in the cockpit hearing god tell him to crash the plane. Its extremely hard to have sympathy for someone who murdered 150 people. But most individuals with psychosis or Mental Illness would never do something to harm others. They dont understand and theres there are times when theyre risky, and theyre high profile. And so we note that is a. But the vast majority of people who have schizophrenia or a psychotic delusional type of illness arent harmful. And as a therapist or a physician, if i perceive that someone is a potential harm to themselves or another, i would have and any of my colleagues would have to act to keep the person and others safe and have the person hospitalized. Yeah. Ruth thank you so much for your insight. Appreciate it. Well be right back. Eh, you dont want that one. Yea, actually i do. Its Mucinex Fastmax night time and its got a nasal decongestant. Is that really a thing . It sounds made up. Mucinex fast max night time for multisymptom relief. Breathe easy. Sleep easy. Lets end this. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. Just another day at norfolk southern. Two weeks later. Look, credit karma are you talking to websites again . This website says free credit scores. Oh, credit karma yeah its actually free. Look, you dont have to put in your credit card information. Whew credit karma. Really. Free. Just in to cnn, were learning more about that shooting incident at the nsa head quartquarters in maryland. Im joined by cnns jim sciutto. You have more details. Thats right, this coming from the nsa. Its the first on cnn. Its a tick tock of events that morning. Were told shortly before 9 00 this morning today, a vehicle containing two individuals, thats the car we saw at the top of the screen there, attempted what the nsa is calling an unauthorized entry at this nsa gate here seen. They say the driver failed to obey the nsa Police Officers instructions to leave the scene. It stopped, barriers were deployed. Apparently the vehicle accelerated then at an nsa Police Vehicle that was blocking the road. I think you can see that there, the white i believe thats the white suv with the hood up. The vehicle crashed into that and then they say that one of those inside the vehicle was killed. They have not determined how he was killed. Earlier there was talk that he had been shot. They say that another was injured. Also new in this statement is that an nsa Police Officer was injured in this and taken to a hospital as well. They say that this was entirely contained in that area that were seeing here now in those aerials and that of course the fbi is leading the investigation. So what do we learn here . You learn that theres still questions about the motive. The fbi has said there is no indication of a terrorist connection here. So the question is why did this car with these two people inside wearing wigs. Well apparently possibly dressed as women attempt to go towards this gate and refuse those instructions . Now, to be fair we should keep in mind that its possible they were confused. Its possible they were not attempting to ram the gate or try to get inside et cetera. Maybe they thought they were being chased. There are a whole host of circumstances. And weve seen this before. You remember this shooting case more than a year and a half ago with a woman who had rammed the gate at the white house, you know was later shot up on the hill. And it seemed that she had some mental issues. Very clear that she had a mental break. Exactly. Theres no substance to connect those two, but what is similar here is we dont know what their motive is. And the other piece of news in this statement that there was an nsa officer injured in this and the collision that you can see i believe you can identify that white there it is. Thats the police car with the hood up that was rammed by the civilian car that had advanced against the barriers. But the protocol here. But the protocol here for an officer or a guard is to take divisive action. It is. And in an escalation of circumstances. To point, to stop to raise the barriers as they did. Stop the car from going any further and then in this case an attempt to block the path. Clearly the car ran into it and one of those inside was killed. But its not clear how that occupant was killed. Another person was taken to the local hospital along with the Police Officer who was injured. Okay. Well wait for more information. Jim sciutto, thank you so much. Does the gop have an indiana problem . They have been slammed from everyone from local gay rights activists to the ceo of apple. Could this impact the 2016 race . Could it make it tougher for republicans to i cantake the white house . We have that after the break. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. 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Analysts saying the positive signs from the head of Chinas Central Bank is making investors a little more optimistic about that countrys Economic Outlook and everything is rising from there. Well there is outrage growing over a religious freedom law in indiana. Hundreds demonstrated against it this weekend. They said that its a license for businesses to refuse to serve gay people. Indiana governor mike pence says the law is understood but deflected questions during an interview with abcs george stephenanolous. Yes or no if a florist in indiana refuses to serve a gay couple at their wedding, is that legal now in indiana . George this is where this debate has gone with misinformation and its just a question sir. Yes or no. Well theres been shameless rhetoric about my state and about this law and its intention all over the internet. People are trying to make it about one particular issue and now youre doing that as well. Lets bring in jeff zeleny and peter hamby, our National Political reporter. So now you have Indiana Republicans who are saying were going to clarify this law and make sure its clear that this is not about discriminating against gay americans. Mike pence right there, very clearly, is not doing a good job of drawing a line and saying this is exactly what it is. Will this continue . What do you think . I think its clear that its not enough. Whats also clear is this is really the big post gay marriage debate fight. Marriage is moving closer and closer to reality. This is sort of the next terrain were going to see this fight over religious liberty and we saw how difficult it is for governor pens topence, a very tough road for republicans who dont want to talk about it at all. Jeff is right. In a cascade of gay marriage being legalized in a lot of States States like indiana pushes this as the next stage battle while they wait for the outcome of the Supreme Court matter on this ruling in june which could make samesex marriage a law of the land which would make it a convenient answer for the republicans. Sometimes they dont always stay with other laws. I think what it is you have americans, you look at the polls, even just in the last few years, they have crossed the rubic on this each. When you look at how this is playing out and even the fact that there are other laws like this, this is the one that has suddenly caught fire what does that tell you about 2016 and how this issue is going to play for republicans . You are so right. The Public Opinion on this has moved so fast in just a matter of years. 60 of americans now support samesex marriage. That number is even higher among socalled millennials, people under the age of 34 its about 70 , which puts the gop in a box. Again, they dont want to be talking about this and jeff and i were just talking about this. You dont see a lot of republicans rallying to mike pences defense right now. This is a doengangerous political its very unusual for hopefuls to not want to talk at all which they dont, which is so different from the 04 campaign. When they jumped in and talked about it. Right. They have to stand up for their social conservative base. The millennials are one thing but those that vote in the Iowa Caucuses so much different. You cant understate how brutal is this for mike pence. For republicans, its jobs or economic development. Put the politics aside. There are businesses like apple, salesforce this is so much bigger than an indiana law. Youre seeing republicans being pulled on either direction on this but my question would be, so they are not saying okay we support this law but if some republicans dont come out in opposition to it, does that hurt them in this election cycle . Not in the short term. Not in the primary phase as they are trying to reach out to their base voters and theres so many of them they are trying to split that difference but in a general election, no question. You cannot be for a candidate linked to something discriminatory. It doesnt work to broaden your base. Certainly not with the down youngsters out there. Thats it for me. Newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts right now. Youre watching cnn. Im Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me on this monday. We have more of the special live coverage of the downing of flight 9525. And now we have it. Confirmation today that germanwings copilot Andreas Lubitz had been treated for suicidal tendencies. It was long before he crashed an airbus a320 into the french alps killing himself and all 149 people on board. And while a french newspaper is reporting that he once got injections of antipsychotic medicine let me be clear, this is a claim that cnn cannot con firm. 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