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To remove the Confederate Flag from government grounds. Plus one Million People flock to see the pope at an open air mass as the pontiff continues his trip across ecuador. Why his Close Friends and colleagues say this could be the beginning of big changes in the catholic church. But first, the plan to defeat isis. U. S. Defense secretary ash carter and joint chiefs chairman general Martin Dempsey are on capitol hill today defending the administrations strategy in iraq and syria. Heres part of that Senate Arms Services hearing. Take a listen. Isil is not ten feet tall. It can be and must be defeated. But that will never happen if we continue to delude ourselves about our current campaign. And so what were try dog is achieve an enduring defeat which means weve got to work it through partners because they tone they have more to gain and more to lose and finally weve got to find a sustainable level of effort since i do believe this is a generational challenge. Local forces on the ground we flow experience is the only way to create a lasting defeat of isil and thats what the strategys all about. The jaytacs are not the Silver Bullet. The Silver Bullet is getting iraqis to fight. Joining me now is california democrat congressman adam schiff Ranking Member of the house intelligence committee. Thank you for being here congressman. We heard ash carter say so far the u. S. Has trained only 60 rebel syrian fighters. He admitted that that number is not impressive but he blamed it on the vetting process. Are you surprised by that number . Only 60 . Im not surprised because weve been briefed about the progress or lack of progress in the program for some time. Its painfully slow and has to cause us to think about whether this is really viable. At the same time, i think ash carter and general dempsey is right. We cant substitute american boots on the ground for local forces because while we can do that and win the battles, they wont stay won. If were looking for something enduring well need local forces and local government to step up here. We heard president obama talk about that yesterday saying the goal is to train more of these rebel syrian fighters. But do you think thats key. But thats a secondary concern for them. Their primary concern is the government thats been barrel bombing them its hard to find people in are moderate and people that you can adequately vet to make sure that the weapons and train dont end up going to join isis as weve seen in iraq a lot of our weaponry ended up in isis hands. Is. And we heard president obama talk about saying the next step in syria has to be taken to get rid of assad. When do you think that could happen realistically . Its critical. As long as assad is in power there wont be an end to the civil war. I do think were seeing cracks in al white support for the regime. Russia and iran will have to come to the conclusion that seem seems obvious that assad will never rule unified syria again. So either syria will be balkanized or if we want one syria then we need to find a way to transition assad out power. Thats the only way this war comes to an end. As we continue to fight isis around the year we have been going through this process. Something youve been pushing for the authorization of military force. Do you think thats from a court order to degrade oar defeat isis. I think its a military strategy on tv. We have the obligation to declare war that has very important repercussions because other president s can decide they no longer need to go to congress to make war and that would be a terrible change in the balance of power in our government. Congressman schiff thank you for talking to us. Thank you. In todays hearing, we also heard a lot of talk about lone wolfes who may be inspired by isis. Ash carter specifically talked about the structure difference between isis and al qaeda. The al qaeda model was a very hierarchical very clear command and control type terrorist enemy. And that meant they had discipline and it meant they could take on big things like 9 11 but it also meant that when we started to go after them they are vulnerable to attacks on the commandandcontrol structure and on their logistic structure. Isils more resilient because it is more decentralized and informal in that sense. Takes a different kind of campaign. Were highly awareof that asis law enforcement, by the way. And president obama also talked about lone wolf attacks while at the pentagon yesterday. Listen to this. The small individual lone wolf attacks or small cells become harder to detect and they become more sophisticated using new technologies. That mean were going to have to pick up our game to prevent these attacks. So here with me to discuss all of this the threats and the strategy, is phil mudd cnn counterterrorist and former cia counterterrorism official. Also terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. Thank you for being with us. We have so much to talk about here. Lets go to what the president just said. He said we have to step up our game against lone wolves. Phil how do you do that . I imagine social media would be a key component in that fight. Its got to be because if you look at traditional intelligence operations for example, intercepting communications from a core Al Qaeda Group to operators in europe and the United States watching travel patterns for example, how they develop cells, these traditional methods to look for vulnerabilities arent available here. So you look at whatter haver inability what vulnerability a kid in a basement has, is he looking at things online that are worrisome . The last thing i would say on this as a former practitioner s the big problem is thats a big free speech issue. Its not illegal to be radical in the United States and its not illegal to look at radical literature. So thats why feds get nervous when you say monitor the online activity. And they say its so hard to differentiate the noise. Whos a legitimate threat versus someone mouthing off online. Its such a huge volume right now. There are tens of thousands of pro isis twitter accounts. A lot of radicalized americans now who are accessing social media. So encrypting messages systems to communicate to group followers in the United States for attack including providing training. Thats producing challenges. I know there are interaction online and take it into an encryption app and they go dark. Its a big concern. I want to listen to Something Else president obama said. Lets listen to what he said about consequences. We need to try to do it ourselves across the middle east and north africa. Well be playing whack a mole and there will be a whole lot of unintended consequences that will make us less secure. So what unintended consequences is he talked about. Weve seen cases where if we intervene, you have to ask the question do you cause a group that otherwise is not interested in attacking the United States to think about the United States. Weve also talked about social issues out there, Economic Issues in places like egypt, elsewhere in north africa, for example. If you go after the phenomenon of terrorism, what opportunities are you taking away to go after bigger conversations you need with those countries about things like political reform and economic reform . I think hes right. The conversation in this country is solutional. Delusional . Delusional. We wont defeat these groups without local militaries that take action and without defeating the ideology that underpin this is. Every place youve seen success, southern philippines, indonesia, even partly in affidavits which is mixed success we arent in the lead its the locals. And part of that is the counternarrative online that the u. S. Has a long way to go with countering the isis narrative. I want to ask you before we go weve talked about this paul, the fact that ramadan is still ongoing. We still have ten days until the end of ramadan. There was so much talk about the fourth of july threat but that threat is far from over. Thats right and isis have called for a surge in terrorism, including in the United States during ramadan, the spokesmen issued a fatwa saying their followers would receive ten times an award in the afterlife. So theres a lot of concern in these last 10 11 days that you could have an attack. In fact as you reach the final stages of ramadan, these jihadis believe the rewards can go up exponentially for carrying out an operation, especially they carry out an attack on the socalled night of power, the night koran was revealed to the prophet mohammed. They believe if they carry out that attack they can get potential. A scary combination thinking about that and the power isis has on social media reaching out the so Many American ss thank you so much. Coming up Hillary Clinton gives the first interview of her campaign right here on cnn. Does this signal a new shift in strategy . And is Bernie Sanders popularity a factor in this . Plus negotiators buying more time pushing todays deadline with a nuclear deal with iran till friday . Will that be enough . Well take you live to iran . And this just in the faa is commenting on a midair collision between an f16 and cessna plane in South Carolina. All the details up next after this quick break. 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The faa has confirmed that midair collision between an f16 fighter jet and a small cessna. This happened about 11 miles north of charleston, South Carolina, a short time ago. An official close to the investigation telling me there are no survivors in that cessna. We know wreckage of the cessna is now in a river in that area. We dont know how many people are on board. We values learned that the pilot of the f16 was able to eject safely. I can tell you, the ntsb is now enroute to this accident site. They wont arrive there until later this evening but when investigators get there, theyre going to be working to try to determine were these planes flying in the correct airspace were they authorized to be where they were. Air Traffic Control, was air Traffic Control talking to the pilots . All of that is going to be assessed once investigators get there because this i cant stress is going to be a very rare situation where you talk about an f16 fighter jet colliding midair with a small cessna. Clearly a breakdown in the system there. Now investigators are tasked to figure out what went wrong so wrong. Pamela . Rene marsh, thank you for that. It looks like all sides will stay at the negotiating nabel vienna just as the deadline for a nuclear deal was about to come and go, the deadline was pushed to friday. There are several points of contention on the Table Including an arms embargo. U. S. Secretary of state john kerry said over the weekend the talks could go either way. Fred pleitgen joins me now from tehran. Fred, the iranians say there was no formal deadline to begin with as far as they were concerned. Is there urgency on the iran side . Thats a good question. One of the things the iranians say they dont feel any time pressure at least thats what their negotiators have said. There is a lot of political pressure in iran. The majority of population want better relations with the west but there are a lot of hardliners who are skeptical of what the outcome could be. I spoke to the Deputy Foreign minister of this country and he said that whats already been achieved is that because the u. S. And the iranians are talking to each other so much that there has already been closer relations between these two countries. If there is an agreement things could get better. Lets listen to what he had to say. Translator our nation has bitter memories of the United States in the past 36 years following our revolution but the Nuclear Negotiations are a historical opportunity in the u. S. If the United States acts wisely and logically in these negotiations then we can say that america has left a positive impression with the iranian nations. So if the moves and actions of the United States are constructive it can leave a positive impact of the u. S. Which can lead to further engagement and interaction. But as weve already mentioned, there are still gaps between the two negotiating sides and, of course, in the end it will have to be the Supreme Leader of this country, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who will have to sign off on any deal and he has said hes skeptical of the negotiations but he does support the negotiating team. So a lot of pressure on the iranian negotiators as well pam. Still a lot of work ahead for them. Thank you, Fred Pleitgen in iran. Lets bring in Nicholas Burns to talk about this. Hes a former u. S. Undersecretary for Political Affairs and led the talks on u. S. And india Nuclear Negotiations. So we just mentioned the deadline has been extended to friday. Iran never acknowledged any deadline to begin with so in your view are three extra days going to be enough to get this deal done. Lets hope so. This has been a year and a half of negotiations. The United States has come a long long way. Were certainly going to be better off if we can stop iran from becoming a Nuclear Weapons power at the negotiating table rather than having to resort to military force. This is a process thats been under way for ten years. It was started in the george w. Bush administration. I think secretary kerry was right to say there shouldnt be an artificial deadline this week. If it takes two or three more day, its worth it for the United States and i think the one thing to remember here is that the iranians need an agreement more than the United States or europe because theyre under tremendous pressure from the international sanctions. Their economy has deteriorated significantly and as your correspondents said there is significant public expectation in iran that those sanctions will be lift eded so its a good tactic to put leverage on the country across the table and i think secretary kerry hopefully is able to do that. Lets talk about those negotiations. As weve seen as weve heard, iran seems defiant on the outside, but what about at the actual negotiating table. How do you hammer out an agreement with a team of negotiators that youve been so alienated from . Well this is the really unique feature of this negotiation. We have not had a substantive sustained conversation, the United States and iran, in 35 years until secretary kerry and the Iranian Foreign minister javad zareef began to meet a year and a half ago. Thats a value to the United States. It makes us smarter about iran better to negotiate a good deal having that type of contact. But it does mean theres a huge chasm of trust between these two countries that have been produced by all of the negative events of the last 35 years and i would disagree with the Iranian Foreign minister. I dont see any major improvement in the relationship between iran and the United States. Iran is making a major push for power right now in the heart of the sunni world, in iraq syria, lebanon and yemen. I think even if we get the nuclear deal were going to have to try to contain iranian power in the rest of the middle east. Nicholas burns, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your perspective about this. We appreciate it. And coming up at this hour bill cosby admits he bought drugs with the intention of giving them women that he wanted to have sex with. The new revelations inside unsealed Court Documents from 2005. Plus one of his accusers former playboy playmate victoria valentino weighs in. No artificial flavors, colors sweeteners preservatives, and no artificial smiles. Because clean dressings, taste better. Panera. Food as it should be. A revelation now about bill cosbys past. The former tv star has been under fire for allegedly sexually assaulting women. More than 25 women have come forward to accuse cosby and now there may be a smoking gun. In a prior lawsuit ten years ago cosby admitted he got prescriptions for quaaludes and that he intended to use them to have women have sex with him. To be clear here he never admitted he actually used those drugs on anyone. Joining me now talk about this victoria valentino, a former playboy playmate and one of the women making the Sexual Assault claims against cosby. Thanks for coming on victoria to talk to us. You say you were assaulted after cosby slipped a pill in your mouth. When you heard about the details, what was your reaction to this partial admission by cosby . I was absolutely elated. I was freaking out. I was so excited i just hadnt heard the news and i got a phone call and they said what do you think about the news . And i said what news . And i was told and i havent been able to sit still since ive been smiling, tapping my feet hum ago tune. Its very exciting. So it makes you feel vindicated obviously. We did reach out to cosbys representatives. That i say they have no plans to issue a statement. The new details stem from a tenyearold case. If that case had gone to trial would you have been willing to take the stand during the trial . Oh absolutely. Absolutely. When i heard about it from what was it ten years ago with andrea and barbara back then my first thought was, oh my god, it wasnt just me this is a pattern of behavior and i told my daughter who was living at home i said maybe i ought to contact them and let them know that i, too, was the object of that kind of behavior back in 1969. And then my stomach started twisting and i couldnt bring myself to dredge it all up again and i just kind of put it away and it seemed to go away but now now, you know at 72 years old, i have adult daughters, ive got four grandchildren and if i dont speak my truth and stand in it and stand as an example, i mean when . You know . And at my age, who cares . I can say anything i want and im happy to do it now. And we will have to see if these revelations coming from this deposition will lead to more women coming forward. I know thats a big question. The statute of limitations on these claims have expired and cosby has not been accused or charged with a crime we should say. Victoria valentino, thank you very much we appreciate you coming on to talk about this and share your story. Absolutely. And thank you for having me. And dont miss the cnn special report no laughing matter, inside the cosby allegations that airs tomorrow night at 9 00 p. M. Here on cnn. 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The movement to remove the flag has gained momentum since nine people including pinckney were gunned down at a black church in charleston last month. Lets bring in our nick valencia outside the statehouse in columbia South Carolina. Nick certainly not the end of the road yet for the flag to be removed. Do we know what will happen next . Its heading to the house but how are they going to vote do we think . Well we dont expect the house to vote on this today, pamela. I was speaking earlier to a republican representative Jonathan Hill who says they expect to hear the bill today but the likelihood is that it could be days before a final vote. There has been talk of possible amendments being added to the senate bill that passed overwhelmingly today 363 discussion has been along the lines of taking this Confederate Flag down and replacing it with another one from the confederacy. Nothing official though has been proposed. Its worth pointing out if the house changes anything, one single word from this bill that passed in the senate then it has to go back to the senate floor. The process as complicated as it is controversial. Optimistically optimistically what lawmakers tell me is we could expect a final vote on this bill as early as thursday possibly friday. The end of this week pamela. We have to wait and see, we see protesters holding the Confederate Flag. Thank you so much nick valencia. We appreciate it. In other news were following, Hillary Clinton will give the First Network interview of her president ial campaign to cnns Brianna Keilar today. This comes on the heels of the latest quinnipiac poll in iowa. Her support has decreased while Bernie Sanders has more than doubled his numbers. Joining me to break this down, chief police caltical analyst Gloria Borger and Senior Reporter nia malika henderson. With Bernie Sanders gaining steam, you have to wonder how much that is playing into this shift in strategy from the clinton camp for her to do an interview. It does play into it obviously but Hillary Clinton had a plan and shes kind of sticking to it. I must point out her favorability in the state of iowa is 85 among Democratic Caucus goers. Pretty good. Shes not exactly a slouch there. But this is somebody who is. As a lot of people who work with her like to say, the most famous person you dont know. Bernie sanders had to introduce himself, big rallies everything else. Hillary needed to be more relatable so she tried to meet with small groups of voters. Now second phase, doing interviews with journalists and it seems so controlled. Second phase. Absolutely controlled. Even as far as roping in the press. Exactly. She wants to be relatable but we see these optics of the press being roped off from very very different from Bernie Sanders. Who has a different strategy. He is doing the movement he needs one. Hes a different kind of politician. Hes more of a progressive, more of an ideologue in some ways so they wanted to have this Movement Strategy and borrow from what obama did in 2008. The question there is whether or not he can take this broad to the entire Democratic Party. Hes obviously doing well. He had 8,000 people show up in maine. I dont believe maine is one of these early caucus states. Hes doing well in iowa as well. Even that state isnt necessarily representative of the Democratic Party more broadly. I talked to hillarys folks and they say listen, shes going to lose some states just like she lost some states and obama lost states as well. But do you think they were caught off guard by Bernie Sanders . I think they might have thought maybe former Maryland Governor omalley would have gotten some capture but i think Bernie Sanders is a phenom. He taps into the Elizabeth Warren left wing of the Democratic Party. Democratic caucus goers in iowa are so liberal that for him to say im a democratic socialist is a good thing, not a bad thing. When Hillary Clinton can talk about electability and going up against whomever it is i think democrats will start thinking seriously about that because they want to win. Right now its early, hes interesting. Its the summer people are falling in love with Bernie Sanders. And she hasnt been out there hosting if Hillary Clinton wanted to get 25,000 people together somewhere she probably could. And they didnt want to do that initially. It reminds us of 2004 those buttons that said i dated dean but married kerry. And i think in some ways thats what theyre hoping for. It is a little howard dean like. She talked about Bernie Sanders. Lets listen to what she said. Us zpleemcream . How about instead of ice cream a question . Some of your opponents have been drawing big clouds mainly Bernie Sanders. Well we each run our own campaigns and i said this was going to be competitive and i want to have a great debate in the primary caucuses around the country. Thats what im looking forward to. Gloria . This is actually and this is going to sound strange. But its not bad for Hillary Clinton because she didnt want to have this sense that she was being coronated the democratic nominee the fact that she has competition here makes people believe that she just hasnt been handed the nomination and she has to fight for it. People like that. It makes her a better candidate and pushes the Democratic Party where folks wanted to see it go. Quickly i want to ask because she lost iowa in 2008. Yes, she did. What does she need to do differently this time around . Well they sthugt. They thought so what she is doing is spending time in iowa meeting voters one on one and there was a sense last time around that she hadnt spent enough time with real people in iowa. Then she hopped in the scooby van. And now Bernie Sanders is there. So i think shes got to come out of the shell and i think thats what theyre trying to do. Get the scooby van out there again. Show up. Were anxiously anticipating that. Gloria borger niamalika henderson, thanks so much. Be sure to tune in for clintons First National media interviews we just talked about on cnn. The interview are air at 5 00 p. M. On the situation room and on Anderson Cooper at 8 00 p. M. We will have complete coverage on cnn. Com, of course. Hes one of the most popular popes and, according to his friend, a master chef. What were learning about pope francis as he continues his trip home to south america. Preparing for college. Shell use that education to get a job. Shell use that job to buy a home. This is lilly baker. Her mom just refinanced their home and is putting an extra 312 a month toward lillys tuition. Lilly is about to take over the world. Whos with her . Buy in. Quickenloans home buy. Refi. Power. Listen up. 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Call Liberty Mutual for a free quote today at see Car Insurance in a whole new light. Liberty mutual insurance. You could call pope francis a spiritual rock star. The first stop in his latin america tour has crowds not only waiting in line but sleeping in the rain just for a chance to see him. A short time ago, pope francis wrapped up his second open air mass in ecuador at the Bicentennial Park in the capital. The same place where hundreds of thousands camped out last night in bad weather. The numbers grew this morning. More than one Million People celebrated bhasz the pope. Look at these pictures here. This is part of the pop i have thes popularity. It stems from his roots. As rosa flores shows us, he has depth connections of his old life. Reporter a personalized message from a dear friend is always a good gesture. I ask you to keep praying for me and my god keep jesus and the blessed mother take care of you. Reporter but when that friend emails you a month after being elected pope its practically a blessing sent from god. He was a busy man at the time. He was. Can you imagine with all the job and the situations in the church but he had the time for friends. Father hernan perez has known pope francis for three decades. Their first meeting back in the 80s when pope francis was rector at the head of 100 seminarian jesuits. What do you call pope francis . Jorge. [ laughter ] they stay in touch by writing letters and emailing all in spanish. Thats because he says forgive me pope francis, but he failed twice to learn english. He went twice but he told me that in confidence. Sorry about that. Now he has no confidence anymore. This picture a memento from their visit in argentina a few months before francis became pope. He gave me his blessing but at the same time i asked him to have a picture so he told me hermano, i am not a man of pictures im too ugly. And you can see hes very stern, very serious. Now with his rock star status the 78yearold pontiff, who loves listening to opera, is probably one of the most photographed faces on the earth and one of the most quoted as well. His message during his threecountry visit to south america one of inclusiveness, service and democracy. Next on his agenda cuba and the u. S. In september. The father says he doesnt know if pope francis, famous for his who am i to judge quote about homosexuality will comment about the recent Supreme Court decision legalizing samesex marriage. Remember that the tradition of the church doesnt change overnight. At the. The father who now lives in new york recently visited with the pope in the vatican. His first time seeing his dear friend since being elected. It was an emotional reunion. He said to american. What does that mean . Well, probably reporter like two old friends, they poked at each other, one of them just happens to be pope. And pope francis just celebrated mass with more than 1 million friends here in ecuador. He says that pope francis, back in the day, back in the 80s, he used to be a chef and cook for 100 jesuits and washed their clothing. Unbelievable. Rosa flores thank you so much. And greeces Prime Minister is meeting to discuss the debt crisis and will address the parliamentry. It wants less austerity and more debt canceled. Today, frances Prime Minister said the political and Economic Risks of leaving the eurozone are too high and the basis for a deal does exist. Global markets are keeping a close eye on the developments of course. As we see, wall street is only down about 20 points as of now. Coming up at this hour new details on reports of a possible deal to bring nsa leaker Edward Snowden back to the u. S. Love loud, live loud polident. Fresher dentures. For those breathless moments. Hug loud, live loud, polident. The Justice Department wants to set the record straight. Yahoo news reported that the u. S. Would be open to a possible deal to bring government leaker Edward Snowden back to the United States for prosecution. Jim sciutto is joining us with more on this. What are you learning here jim . What is new here is that you have the first outlines to a possible deal. They are not official. They came from the office of the director of national intelligence. The lawyer in fact told by a senior intelligent official that it was a private conversation thought he was having a private conversation with another lawyer and in that conversation he was doing his own handicapping what a deal may look like. It may look like 3 to 5 years in prison prison a trial, et cetera. He wouldnt be negotiating on behalf of the Justice Department. Thats right. The Justice Department came back to us and said if it involves jail time and a trial. Lets be honest it is interesting. A senior Government Official is throwing a number out there. Its not a trial balloon but gives you an idea of what people are talking about as to what a deal could look like for Edward Snowden to come back to the u. S. He basically handed one to snowden saying that snowden, in the words of holder that he sparked a necessary debate about surveillance and so on, which is a very interesting thing about the nations former top official and he said hey, youve got to hand it to him had he not revealed these things illegally, and we know broke in secrets, many secrets with the u. S. Government and the most sensitive agreements that we wouldnt have the metadata bulk collection which is a position youve heard from the folks on the hill who are privacy advocates, other privacy how are people responding to that quickly . Their heads are exploding. They say, how can you say that someone who broke a law, he was inside worked inside the Intelligence Agency one of the most sensitive intelligence agencies broke a law, what kind of precedent are saying . You broke a law but doing the country a disservice. There are people that will be concerned that there will be other snowdens out there. Absolutely. How do you prevent this from happening in the future . Do you know anyone who reached snowdens lawyers about this . We did reach out, as i said to the Justice Department and said that nothing has changed. A lot of americans are not aware that there is something of a negotiation, at least communication under way between snowdens lawyer and the Justice Department. Keep in mind the intelligence community, they want to have him back. They want to see what he knows and what he gave up to the russians. Absolutely. They are extremely concerned about what was in his laptop and as a result of what they took. A stern talk. A stern talk. Thank you. Thats it for me. For our international viewers, amanpour is next and for our north american viewers, newsroom with Brooke Baldwin starts right now. Pamela brown, thank you so much. Im Brooke Baldwin. 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