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What are her chances in 2020. He hits the road this hour after a weekend spent defending his mental fitness. They are trying to focus on their agenda and dealing with an explosive new book that raises questions about the president s mental stability. In a response, the president tweeted this. Actually throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being like really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these parts very hard and as everyone knows went down in flame. I went from very successful businessman to top star to president of the United States on my first try. I think that would qualify as not smart, but jen uogenius, an very stable genius at that. Abby, what do we expect to hear from the president today . Hi, wolf. President trump is on his way to tennessee where he is going to be speaking in front of the American Farm bureaus annual convention. This is an opportunity for the white house and the president to pivot back to policy talking a little bit about some of the things he has been the most proud of in the first term. Particularly this tax bill. According to kperpgzs, the president will devote a good chunk of his speech and the benefits for rural americans, but there will be an effort to pivot towards the future and more policy efforts they will be pushing on infrastructure and the aspects of that proposal that might impact rural americans. This book is really ov overshadowing so much of that. With the president going out into the country, he will be in front of the podium where he has the opportunity to say whatever he wants. We will be watching to see if he will go off script and talk about this controverciy that has been overshadowing his white house over the last 72 hours. I wouldnt be surprised if he does. We will see. Steve bannon is expressing regret for not responding sooner to comments in the book that were attributed to him. He said his comment, for example, calling that june 2016 terror meeting in new york treasonous. It was directed at Paul Manafort who was the chairman and not donald trump jr. S. This that hg to mend the rift . The president and bannon are clearly at odds over the last couple of days. Bann bannons statement came after a white house adviser steven miller, someone who in the past had been allied with bannon on policy issues and slammed him for the comments in the book. The president is clearly not backing down here. He sent his aides, but bannon personally and also we are hearing from white house sourceses telling cnn that the president views them as too little, too late, wolf. Over at the white house for us, thanks very much. The author of the antitrump book said the 25th amendment is a hot topic in the west wing. Heres how michael wolf describes the conversations. There are many moments in which the 25th amendment has come up. The 25th amendment in which gives the cabinet the ability to remove the president and they dont say the cabinet is going to remove the president , but they do say things like this is a little 25th amendmenty here. A section of the amendment says this. Whenever the Vice President of the United States and the majority of the executive departments, the cabinet declare that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President immediately becomes acting president. Thats the 25th amendment to the u. S. Constitution. Lets bring in the panel to discuss. We have our analysts with us. The associate editor and columnist for real clear politics and gloria borger. The talk of the 25th amendment seems a high hurdle. The president could challenge them and go to congress and it would take two thirds of each house. I think what im hearing michael say is maybe thats code word for things are going crazy around here and maybe that it wasnt serious talk. It seems to me that its one thing to talk about whats going on with the special counsel and mueller and questions of impeachment, etc. We will have to let all of that play out, of course. The 25th amendment, i think the bar is way high and was really written for when somebody is completely incapacitated. How do you see it . I agree. I think its the kind of thing that we have heard about the 25th amendment since trump was elected. His behavior has been alarming enough for what it would require. It is extreme and you have to be out of it. The idea that he can contest it makes it impossible to mound anyway. This would have been reported earlier. Look at the reporting from the New York Times alone on the Trump Administration and the staff and the desperation leaked on this president. If they were talking about the 25th amendment, we would have known it by now. Michael wolff has too many critics. Im not saying its not true, but its questionable. Its interesting because in the tweet, responding to questions about his mental fitness, the president described himself and we just heard it, but i will repeat it, like really, really smart and very stable genius. That kind of talk and weet itwe is it helping or hurt something. With people who dont like the president they point to it and say this is what we are talking about. With those that are nervous about this president or like this president , they are just missing it as well, another tweet. What this whole 25th amendment politically is doing is giving the democrats who have been vocal about this Something Else to talk about and point to. There have been meetings on the hill with democrats and psychiatrists who are talking about the president s mental state. Its bringing up the talking point and its giving fodder to those who have raised this as a concern. I think the issue and in a way maybe the democrats are undermining themselves with kind of an overreach. The legitimate question is what is bob mueller going to find out and whats the president s competencey and his level of involvement and his curiosity, et cetera, etc. Those issues can be raised in a political environment and they are very koejent issues to raise at this point. This other thing, if you go too far into this, you may be undermining your own political points. Its interesting. Bob corker of tennessee will be flying from washington aboard air force one down to nashville for the president s remarks later today. He has been very critical of the president and he is trying to make nice with the president right now because of legislative concerns. He has critically important issues. I think it has been an interesting journey to watch republicans throughout 2015 when they had the best bench ever into 2016 when donald trump prevailed over every candidate in the primary into his nomination of his presidency. Many of them after the access Hollywood Tape saying i will never do that this and im endorsing the nominee of my party again. Lindsey graham said terrible things about this president and now he is his best chum and advising him on policy. They bob and weave depending on what they feel is needed at that moment. There is upcoming policy that is important to the country, they will get real feelings and they told reporters on the record and get back in his good graces. Remember the harsh words between the president and marco rubio. They are working closely with the president on several issues close to their hearts. As a means to an end. Holding on to grievances are not going to get the issues they think are most important and critical to their reelect in the case of senator cruz. They need that. They need his support and if he is against them, thats not going to help them at home particularly in the states that have a high amount of support for the president. Maccia velian is a political term of art. This is what they are doing. They are using him to a great degree to get done what they want to get done. You can argue all you want that they have been on both sides, et cetera, etc. I think some of them are of the opinion that he is the best vehicle theyve got right now. They are going to use him. Can they work on a deal that will allow the dreamers, 700,000 or so and the daca agreement they are working on. The president said he supports that, but he wants a commitment from the democrats to build a wall along the u. S. Mexico border. Hes not going to get that. There is real bipartisan heavy lifting on that since the summer. Very conservative republicans working to get to something. The president said to nancy and chuck months ago that he wanted something. He did not insist on the wall. He told republicans in private he is not insisting on a physical wall, but he is throwing this wrench into the fire to make it more difficult. The idea that he is going to put 200,000 sal va dorians up to the threat of deportation will only make the democrats dig in harder. We talk a lot about the Republican Base by them. They are receiving a lot of pressure from their base particularly on the daca issue. What they are saying is you cave on this, dont call us. They are really, really putting the pressure on them right now. He is sinking 18 billion to build that wall along the mexico border in the new budget. You want to talk about republican who is flipped and flopped, look at lindsey graham. He spent most of the decade working on the immigration reform. Now working with the president to craft something that he can support. He has been working a lot of his career on this. He said it yesterday. He got closer to the president s. They watched them put up the 18 billion ask in some form mexico will wind up paying for it. They said thats not going to happen. Cnn said Oprah Winfrey is thinking about a president ial run in 2020. We are going to discuss her chances and how republicans would react. Is President Trump closer to meeting facetoface with Robert Mueller. New signs of a potential Major Development in the russia investigation. One Senator Committee predicting more indictments and convictions are coming and says its possible donald trump jr. And Jared Kushner will be involved. Your brain changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. Morning on the beach until. It. 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Oprah winfrey for president of the United States . Two of her Close Friends said she is actively thinking about a possible 2020 white house run. Buzz of her president ial prospects took off after Oprah Winfreys powerful speech last night at the golden globe awards. Listen. I want all the girls watching here and now to know that a new day is on the horizon and when that new day finally daw dawns, it will be because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this room tonight, and some pretty phenomenal men fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take the time when nobody ever has to say me too again. Joining us now to discuss this and more. Contributor joshua dubois. Gloria borger is with us as well. Thats your reaction . She said a new day is on the horizon and everyone perked up and said is that in regard to women and Sexual Harassment or her own political ambitions . She said and laughed it off in the past, et cetera, etc. But now, it seems to be a more serious issue. She is clearly a powerful speaker. She clearly has a ready made constituency because its hollywood and it stretches beyond that. After donald trump, why would we think that only people with political experience with elected office should run for president . Her long time partner Steadman Graham is quoted as saying its up to the people. She would absolutely do it. The actress Merrill Streep told the Washington Post she launched a rocket tonight. I want her to run for president. I dont think she had any intention of declaring, but now she doesnt have a choice. You know oprah. What do you think . She is one of the most inspirational figures and she is a uniter. There are africanamericans in chicago and latinos in california and conservative white women who dont have a ton in common. One thing is they love Oprah Winfrey. She is able to bring together constituencies that wouldnt otherwise talk with each others. The speech was in line with her career. Talking about bringing in voices from the margin and girlfriending voice girlfriend igirlfriend listen to what donald trump, private citizen at the time told larry king about Oprah Winfrey being a running mate. Do you have Vice President ial candidate in mind . I havent gotten quite there yet. Oprah. I love oprah. Oprah would be my first choice. We would win easily. That was then. He could have picked her, but he picked someone else. Mike pence and Oprah Winfrey. Oprah would have had something to say about that. We havent heard donald trump tweet about oprah. Maybe if this gets serious, we will hear from him. He is somebody who was a celebrity before running and before being elected president. Oprah said in an interview, i believe it was with David Rubenstein that she thought someone had to have political experience with donald trump. Now that doesnt seem to be the case. Maybe that fits into her new thing. Take a look at similarities. We have a graphic and you see it. Oprah winfreys net worth is 2. 8 billion. Donald trumps 3. 1 billion. She has a talk show and her own network and a magazine and harpo films, Academy Award nominee and philanthropist. The last point, same as he had. No political experience. He was a Real Estate Developer and still potentially is. A lot in common. A fair amount, but lots of differences obviously between Oprah Winfrey and donald trump. Thgz to being an inspirational or almost a spiritual figure, she is a great manager as well. She started her own network and led a turn around in 2015. The ratings are up around 30 and she told a chunk of that to discovery. She ran her own show with her name on it as a host and producer for 25 years. This is a woman who knows how to steward and shepherd a public platform. 30 million or so twitter followers. She is a spiritual and inspirational and hopeful leader. What difference she pointed out remarks on the golden globe last night is that her mother, she grew up and her mother cleaned the homes of other people. Her mother was not a milliona e millionaire. Donald trumps father was a millionaire. They came from different backgrounds. They came from different backgrounds and political persuasions. I remember when she was criticized for starting to get involved in politics when she endorsed barack obama. That was a big moment for her. She has not shied away from politics. Her approach is usually through the lens of the vulnerable and the marginalized. The speech was about the lady who died 10 or 11 days ago. Very few people knew her story. Everyone is googling reece taylor. From sofia in the color purple to the story about dna. Thats what she does and she may be able to reach out to margi l marginalized americans and bring them in as well. Another movie star went on to become president of the United States. First governor of california. Ronald reagan. He had eight years of experience as governor, but there is a history. She can self finance. Think about her constituency. Core democrats. Who knows if she wants the frustration of this job. It would be a bit of a sacrifice potentially on her part to jump in the race, but she could do it. She is a very talented woman and worth 2. 8 billion. Facetoface with Robert Mueller. New signs of a Major Development in the russia investigation. As the period gets ready for his physical check up this week, should mental exams be mandatory for a president . One president makes the case. Keep it comin love. If you keep on eating, well keep it comin. All you can eat riblets and tenders at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. They always refer to me as master sergeant. They really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. 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The timing is important because the special counsel feeds to have as many facts before he has that facetoface interview with the president of the United States. Lets bring in the justice correspondent. Is President Trump indicating he is opening to meeting with the investigators . That seemed to be the sentiment when he was asked about it over the weekend though he did reflect to reiterate his talking point that there was no collusion between his campaign and the russians. Listen to the president. He briefly said yeah when asked if he would be interviewed by special Counsel Robert Mueller and pivots to defense. If Robert Mueller asked you to speak personally, are you committed to doing that . Just so you understand, there is no collusion. There has been no crime. In theory everybody tells me im not under investigation. Maybe hillary is, i dont know. But im not. There has been no collusion. There has been no crime, but we have been very open. We could have done it two ways. We could have close and it would have taken years. When you have done nothing wrong, lets get it over with. Its very, very bad for our country. So if and when the special counsels Team Interviews the president , it would be a significant step because of course it would seem to signal the investigation is drawing to a close. Prosecutors do typically save the biggest interview for last as we saw with Hillary Clinton days before the fbi announced there would not be criminal charges related to the email server. Special counsel muellers team interviewed key players past and present from the white house. They include reince priebus, press Secretary Sean Spicer and most recently director hope hicks as well as white House Counsel don mcgann. They are not just probing interference in the election and possible to losing, but questions of obstruction of justice. Did the president improperly and intentionally interfere with the investigation when he fired fbi director james comey or helped draft that misleading statement about donald trump jr. s meeting at trump tower with a russian lawyer in june of 2016 or perhaps when he directed his white House Counsel to stop attorney general Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the russia investigation as was reported last week. Wolf, all of those issues, a lot of them being looked at by the special counsel and questions of course, will the president himself be interviewed . Lets find out sooner rather than later. Thank you very much. Lets bring in senator i had roano, a democrat who serves on the committee. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. We will play a little bit more of what we heard from senator blumen that will and what he had to say about Robert Muellers investigation. Listen to this. We will have more convictions and more indictments. How do you know there will be more . I thank the evidence accumulating against individuals within the white house and within the administration. The mounting evidence of obstruction of justice that is public and we have no idea all of what is available special counsel. From where you sit today, you believe that don jr. And Jared Kushner could be facing indictment . Im not predicting and im not saying what all the evidence may be. Certainly the evidence points to continued investigation. There ought to be some consideration of whether they face criminal charges. Do you share those views . My view is that special counsel mueller will do a full and thorough investigation and anyone else who needs to be indicted will be indicted. That investigation must continue in spite of the fact that there are republicans especially in the house who are questioning whats going on with special counsel. That investigation must continue and i fully expect it to. I have been a long time supporter of special counsel. Do you think the special counsel will in fact ask the president of the United States to be questioned . I think they do need to talk with him when they are fully prepared to do so in a facetoface meeting and an a affidavit will not suffice. He himself said he is willing to cooperate and he is drawing his own legal conclusions that there is no collusion or obstruction of justice. That is the crux of the Mueller Investigation as well as what the russians are doing in interferes with the elections. Remember when former president clinton was questioned by the empty counsel at that time. Ken star in connection with all the allegations against him and we saw that videotape of that testimony, the q a delivered at the time. Its not unprecedented that a sitting president is questioned by a special prosecutor. On another related issue, cnn learned that federal authorities are investigating corruption allegations against the clinton foundation. Do you believe the president was directly or indirectly involved in getting this new investigation off the ground. Democratic congressman adam schiff suggested that. I think its very troubling that we have to ask the question as to the independence of the u. S. Attorneys office and the department of justice and the fbi. It is very obvious that President Trump has been wanting an investigation of any and all clinton matters. So its troubling that there seems to be sort of a possibly way into succumbing to the president s office, but i hope thats not the case. If we cant trust the independence of the fbi and the department of justice, that really is very, very troubling. Another sensitive issue that emerged today and want to get your reaction. Its ending what is called protected status for 200,000 sal va dorians who have been here since 2001 when they came here because of the earthquake in el sal va dor. Unless there is an opportunity for them, they will have to go back to el salvador. What i that are supposed to go back to . This is another decision that impacts hundreds of thousands of people. The assad asylum will have a special immigration stats and you that brings me of course to the plight of all the 800,000 or so daca participants and what they face if we do not move ahead with finding a way to protect them. Thats a legislation that by the way we are perfectly happy to do in a bipartisan way except that the president has thrown a huge wrench into the works by assisting upon an 18 billion wall. In fact he is ready for a government shut down if he doesnt get his wall. Misplaced priorities. Just to put it into perspective, 18 billion for a wall would feed for the Childrens Health program that supports 9 million. The Childrens Health Program Costs about 16 billion. He is willing to shut government down for a wall and we have not funded the Childrens Health program. A quick question, Oprah Winfrey apparently at least according to some sources is thinking about a possible run for the presidency in 2020. You think thats what the Democratic Party needs . I love the fact that somebody like Oprah Winfrey who i really like and loved her speech last night because its time put an end to harassment at all levels. If she wants to join the group of wonderful people running for the democratic presidency, i say great. Shes apparently thinking about it. We will see what she decides. Senator, thanks so much for joining us. Coming up, exec 5 tiutive time. Thats what the white house is calling large chunks of the president s daily schedule. He uses the time to watch and to tweet. We will discuss that and more when we come back. Red lobster. That is, until you taste our new menu. Discover more ways to enjoy seafood with new tasting plates small plates, with big flavor like yucatan shrimp covered in chililime butter and caramelized pineapple. 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He has calls with cabinet members and the president is one of the hardest workers i have ever seen and puts in long hours nearly every day of the week all year long. What do you make of this concept of executive time . He apparently doesnt get that intelligence briefing until he comes into the office at 11 00 a. M. Executive time might be considered a good thing, but not for this president. If he was using this executive time to read critical briefing materials, to inform himself about Critical Issues facing the nation and the world. Like catastrophic global warming, for example which he completely misunderstands. Just to spend his time watching television and being on the phone is a complete waste of time and really raises new questions about the fitness of this president to govern. In a tweet over the weekend, he compared himself to Ronald Reagan saying the scrutiny about his mental state, Ronald Reagans mental state, the president said reagan had the same problem and handled it well. So will i. Do you see a compare . I dont. I see the polar opposite. Trump has a tendance tow blame prior president s for all the ills he sees in the world. To draw on prior president when is he thinks it will benefit him, the situation is totally different. The questions came much later in his term and did not refer to his mental stability, but rather to his sharpness as we age. Only as he seemed to fumble around in the first president ial debate in his reelection campaign. Trump responded to allegations with bluster and bragging. They can do the opposite. He diffused it with likeness and humor saying in the second debate, i am not going to exploit for political purposes the youth and inexperience of my opponent. Who happened to be in his 50s. What did you think about the quote stable genius. If you are a stable genius, you dont have to trumpet that. I feel its i my responsibility to report what i learned from studying his entire career and presidency that i reported in the case for impeachment and he only confirmed by the insider account by michael wolff. This is a president who looks only to himself. He cares only about himself. He looks at other people for means for his advancement and gloryification. He has not only lied repeatedly as Fact Checkers have shown, but brought us into an or wellian world. He can tell us he won the popular vote because 3. 5 million illegal voters appeared on election day to vote for Hillary Clinton and disappeared without a trace. He lashes out instinctively against any slight. This comparison is juvenile with kim jong un about who has the biggest button is very frightening. 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The question, did the United States play a role in all of this . President trump and his administration and even south koreas president say yes, but over the weekend, north korea put out messaging saying this is a matter between the two koreas only and they should be free of outside interference. Obviously, north korea hoping to drive a wedge between washington and seoul, trying to keep the u. S. Sidelined during this process and also hoping to perhaps get some concessions out of these discussions which, for the moment, will only be centered on sending a north korean delegation to the Winter Olympics in pyeongchang, but the hope is for other talks about other issue, the biggest one, of course, north Koreas Nuclear program, but if you look at history, we have seen time and time again, talks that look promising at the beginning only to fall apart down the road and the fear is that north korea might get what it wants, but then not give up their Nuclear Weapons and not listen to the International Community and so there is certainly cautious optimism here going into these discussions, even though north koreas leader kim jongun and he wants to improve relations with neighbors in the south and he has always said he will not give up his Nuclear Arsenal and plans to grow more in 2018. Wolf . Will ripley reporting. Thanks very much. In the last year north Koreas Nuclear arsenal grew faster than anticipated catching u. S. Officials off guard. Thats the assessment in a New York Times article by david sanger and william broad. The cia and other Intelligence Services had predicted this moment would come eventually for decades. They accurately projected the broad trajectory of north Koreas Nuclear program yet their inability to foresee the norths rapid strides over the past several months now ranks among americas most significant intelligence failures, current and former officials said in recent interviews. David sanger, a cnn analyst, is with us, as well. How did u. S. Officials miss this, david . As the article states, they did a remarkably good job on the strategic intelligence and that means the longterm projections we found intelligence reports that said by 2012 and 2020 they would have an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that could hit the United States. As kim jongun ramped up his Missile Program more like the Manhattan Project where we did to develop his Nuclear Weapons more like his father and grandfather were doing using the missiles for political purposes and in that time period the u. S. Interfered with one of his Missile Programs using a cyber and Electronic Warfare program. He then switched horses and went to a new design that was partly russian put together and we missed the speed with which he could get up and running and those are the missiles that look like they could reach as far as washington. The former cia director Michael Hayden was on earlier with allison camerota. I dont want to use the word failure. Can you do better . Perhaps, yes. Should have we been more sensitive that this new, young leader was going to amp it up . Allison, let me give you something thats a truism with regard to intelligence. Were less about prediction than we are about understanding, and i do think we communicated a certain understanding that this is where the North Koreans are going and before very long, were going have a big problem. What do you think of that analysis . I think hes got it just about where we came out. They had a really good understanding of where the program was going. Its the timing they didnt have and why is that important, wolf . Because were headed into a period of time where the president may have to make a decision about whether or not to take military action, either a kind of punch in the nose action that the North Koreans or something broader, and if thats the case youd want to know exactly what they could shoot back. How many Nuclear Weapons they have. Theres disagreement in the Intelligence Community on that and where youd find them. Were you surprised the president over the weekend at camp david told reporters yes, absolutely, he would meet face to face with kim jongun . Hes been all over the place on this during the campaign he said hed have a hamburger with him. He told me at one point hed have no problem sitting down and talking directly and negotiating with kim jongun. Im less concerned about the question of will the president talk to him and so forth than whether this administration has a longterm strategy of how theyre going to deal with this once they sit down and talk to them because as will reported before, the u. S. Position has always been it must be a denuclearized Korean Peninsula and kim jonguns position is im a Nuclear Power and im never giving that up. The question is do you get involved with someone who says that your ultimate objective hes not going to allow happen. David sanger, thanks very much. Great to be with you. Sources close to Oprah Winfrey says shes actively thinking about a president ial run. What are her chances . That and more coming up next. Then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. 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