Transcripts For CSPAN Hearing Examines Security Implications Of Visa Overstays 20170524

Order. The subcommittee is meeting to examine visa overstays. Conversations about the best way to secure have been me principle focus of the media, congress, and administration. To visawant to go overstays. Yesterday, dhs released the official 2016 overstay numbers and this way they expanded the categories and to students and visa holders. I want to thank them for providing an accurate number. The numbers are start. Start the numbers are stark. Cpb calculated that we had nearly 740,000 people overstay their visas at some point in fiscal year 2016. Even using cpbs more generous numbers that account for some of those overstays who eventually leave, albeit late, we had almost 630,000 overstays still in the country at the end of last fiscal year. Over more time as more and more overstays left the number gets smaller and by january of this year we still had 544,000 overstays from fiscal year 16. Suspected of being in the country. Still an incredibly large number. To put that number in context, we only apprehended 310,000 unique individuals crossing the land border illegally last year. Meaning we had almost twice as many overstays as people apprehended at the land southern border. Its probably time to jet son the conventional wisdom that visa overstays make up about 40 of the elicit flow with this years number of Border Apprehensions at record low, visa overstays are a much bigger problem than it has been historically. So, why does closing this gap in our Border Security defenses matter . Well, there are unidentified National Security and Public Safety risks in a population that large and visa overstays have historically been the \hav historically been the primary means for terrorist entry into the United States. Time and time again terrorists exploited the visa system by legally entering america. The 9 11 commission put it this way, terrorists, travel documents are as important as weapons. Since the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, terrorist abused the hospitality of American People to commit attacks here. An egyptian convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing worked illegally in the u. S. As a cab driver. At least four of the 9 11 hijackers overstayed their vee visas or were out of status, a missed opportunity to killed nearly 3,000 of our fellow americans. The attackers exploited the poorest outer ring of our Border Security. The hijackers passed through u. S. Border security a combined total of 68 times without arousing any suspicion. More recently, aminoel ka leafy attempted to conduct a Suicide Attack on the u. S. Capital in 2012. He had been in the country since 1999 on a tourist visa but never left. Thats why i wanted to hold this hearing today. I do not want the threat posed by visa overstays to get drowned out by the challenges we face on the Southern Land border. We can chew gum and walk at the same time. We have to keep the dhs focussed on both problem sets. Elicit traffic flow that crosses the land border and the growing problem of visa overstays. In order to tackle this challenge, the department has to identify the people who overstay their visas in the first place. Mandate for buy metrically has been a requirement for 12 years. Cdp has made in fits and starts only marginal progress when it comes to the bio metric exit. There have been a series of exit pilot projects over the last ten years, but no plan to ever implement a exit capability was seriously considered by the department. Recent executive orders make it clear that finally finish the exit system is a priority for this administration. Building on previous testing and pilots, cdp will engage in a series of operational demonstrations with a planned rollout of a facial recognition exit system at some of the nations largest airport. The Previous Administration committed to a 2018 rollout of a fully operational biometric exit system at the nations highest volume airports. I look forward to hearing about the plans exit beyond the operational demonstrations. Putting a bio metric exit system into place as the 9 11 commission noted an essential investment in our National Security end quote because without a viable exit system, visa holders can overstay their vee is and disappear in the United States. In the current high risk environment, it is imperative we place greater emphasis. Once we identify overstas especially those who present National Security and Public Safety threats we must dedicate the resources necessary to promptly remove those in the country here illegally or we put our citizens at risk unnecessarily. A recent report cast significant the once pause of ices ability to do that. To lack of training appears hamper the work of our agents. According we have a backlog of 1. 2 million overstay cases and wasted manpower chasing leads that already left the country or changed their immigration status. In one instance an i. C. E. Agent spent 50 hours tracking down a lead that turned out to not be an overstay after all and were closing cases. We have to do better. Adding a reliable exit system would be an immediate force multiplier allow National Security professionals to focus their efforts and only spending time tracking people who are still in the country. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from texas for a statement he may have. I thank chairwoman mcsally for holding todays hearing on the Border Security risks imposed by visa overstays. While the white house focuses its Border Security rhetoric boarding a wall along the southern border, attention and resources should be paid to issues like overstays. I represent border communities i know firsthand the security challenges we face along the border, but to keep our focus mainly on walls is a vulnerability in and of itself. The approximately 740,000 individuals who overstayed in fiscal 2016 is a far greater number than the 331,000 individuals who were apprehended along the u. S. Mexico border that year. I believe these figures illustrate the challenge overstays pose. Over the last few years, dhs renewed its efforts toward a bio metric entry exit system. I look forward to hearing from the panel about its progress of development and plans for the deployment of that system. I hope to hear about how the Department Plans to address bio metric exit at our land borders particularly along the mexican border. Unlike canada, mexico currently does not have the entry Infrastructure Technology in processes necessary to share traveler information with the United States. I hope to hear from i. C. E. About how it prioritizes individuals who have overstayed and may pose a National Security or Public Safety threat. With limited resources, we must first address those who may do us harm. Deploying bio metric exit at ports of entry and addressing overstays is no easy task, but it is a necessary part of ensuring meaningful Border Security. I thank the witnesses for joining us today and yield back the balance of my time. Gentlemen yields back. Other members of the committee are reminded that Opening Statements may be submitted for the record. We are pleased to be joined by four distinguished witnesses to discuss this important topic. Mr. Michael daugherty the assistant secretary for border immigration and trade policy at the department of Homeland Security. He previously served in dhs as a citizenship and Immigration Service and Senior Policy Adviser for immigration with the border and transportation security direct rat. Mr. Daughertys federal experience also includes service as Legislative Council on the personal staff of senator john kyle and staff of Sub Committee on terrorism, technology and Homeland Security. Mr. John wagner is the deputy executive assistant commissioner for the u. S. Customs and Border Protections Office of field operations. Mr. Wagner formerly serves as executive director of admissibility in passenger programs with responsibility for all traveler admissibility related policy and programs including the trusted traveller program. The Immigration Advisory Program and the fraudulent document analysis unit. Mr. Clark settles is the assistant director for the National Security Investigations Division within the Homeland Security investigations. In this capacity, hes responsibility for strategic planning, National Policy implementation. Additional will settles oversees hsi National Security programs which include joint Terrorism Task forces and visa security program. Mr. John roth became the inspector january for Homeland Security in march of 2014. His long record of Public Service includes time at the food and Drug Administration where he served as the director of department of justice where. Mong many positions, he served the chernow recognizes mr. Doherty for five minutes to testify. Chairwoman, mcsally, Ranking Member and distinguished members of the Sub Committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear today to discuss work in progress at the department of Homeland Security to identify report and address overstays. Some 50 million nonimmigrant visitors entered the United States each year. They enter for business, to study, to see family or loved ones or to vacation here. The United States welcomes these visitors while recognizing its imperative that they depart the country when their visas or period of authorized admission expired. Our ability to identify foreign nationals who overstay their visit is important for numerous reasons. Chief among them we need to determine whether individuals pose a threat to National Security or to Public Safety. And we need to protect the integrity of our immigration system by removing those who are present in violation of law. The key way to ensure that the federal government has the means of accurately determining the presence of unlawful overstays in the United States is through a bio metric exit system that will provide a high level of assurance when a visitor has the left the country. As most of us know, biometric exit has been a federal objective for many years. It is a priority for this administration in his executive order of march 6th, the president directed dhs to expedite the completion and implementation of exit tracking system for inscope travelers to the United States as recommended by the 9 11 commission. Yesterday the Department Released the fiscal year 2016 overstay report. It contains new data unavailable last year when the fy 2015 report was issued. The fy 2016 report has been expanded to include foreign students, Exchange Visitors and numerous other classes of nonimmigrants. Dhss ability to provide new analysis on these nonimmigrant classes results from improvements made by dhs in expanding its Data Collection capabilities. The fy 16 report reflects that 98. 53 of inscope nonimmigrant visitors departed the United States on time and abided by the terms of their admission. While that is an impressive level of compliance, our data indicates that 1. 47 ed of nonimmigrant visitors overstay their period of admission. That means a total of 739,478 individuals who are expected to depart the United States in fy 2016 did not do so. While the number overstay numbers declined, these numbers are significant concern for secretary kelly and the department. Dhs collaborating with the state dhs is collaborating with the state department, with the doj and with odni to improve screening and vetting standards and procedures so that we can better determine when nonimmigrants intend to fraudulently overstay the terms of their visas which is a task assigned to us by the president s executive order of march 6. Secretary kelly is also committed to increasing the number of i. C. E. Agents to undertake enforcement agents against violators. We have a clear commitment and direction from the president via the executive order to prioritize bio metric exit entry. We appreciate the strong support that it is continuously received from korng in favor of implementing such a system. Building on recent bio metric exit Pilot Programs, on going work includes an aggressive effort to reengineer and to redesign data handling, to develop next generation facial matching capabilities and to build a backend communication portal to connect with the travel industry and with our security partners. Ultimately the goal of our collaborative efforts with government, industry and international stak holders is to accurately identify passengers and to deliver a seamless and secure travel experience. While implementation of a robust and effective bio metric exit solution will take time and presents significant operational challenges, dhss aggressively advancing the development of a comprehensive bio metric exit system. Our strategy is to expand activities under way in the air and sea environment to include our land borders as well. Dhs will continue to build on the progress made in the fy 2016 overstay report to identify , report and take appropriate action against those who overstay or violate the terms of their admission to the United States. Chairwoman mcsally, Ranking Member vala and distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for this opportunity to testify today on this important issue and i look forward to answering your questions. Thank you, mr. Daulgtry. The chair now recognizes mr. Wagner for five minutes. Good afternoon, chairwoman mcsally. Thank you for the opportunity to discuss u. S. Customs and border rejections protections progress since last year implementing a implementing. Before that let me touch on the overstay report we released yesterday. This years report accounts for 96 of all air and sea nonimmigrant admissions from fiscal year 16 at air and sea locations. We expanded the report to include additional categories of temporary visitors including foreign students, Exchange Visitors and certain worker classifications. Last fiscal year there were approximately 50. 4 million inscope nonimmigrant admissions through the air and sea locations who were expected to depart. Of this number, dhs calculated a total overstay rate of approximately 1. 47 , which is about 739,000 individuals. Of these, about 628,000 remained in the u. S. , or 1. 25 at the end of the fiscal year. Due to continuing departures that number is currently at about 455,000 or. 9 . Im happy to discuss that report further. Moving to bio metric exit, last year i testified before the Sub Committee and described some of the pilots that cdp and dhs have conducted over the years and the many challenges we faced in developing a feasible bio metric exit solution. I understand your frustration with the pace of this. I also recognize that congress has made 1 billion available over the next decade for bio metric exit and essentially funded a program in advance of dhs having a real plan on how to implement. As ive said publicly, were out of time and were out of excuses. So the good news is we have developed a feasible solution. Weve had a lot of discussion with private Sector Technology experts and many stakeholders. We knew this for this to be successful, we couldnt implement another stand alone stove pipe process adding yet another process for travelers to learn. We certainly couldnt rearrange in the nearterm how airports built or operating model of the Airline Industry, so the biggest factor in our struggle to find a solution was relying on finding that single magic piece of technology that would accomplish our needs. Previous efforts never really took a deep look at the processes behind how our data systems already function. So we figured out a way to better position the data we already have on travelers, make the inspection process a lot more efficient. In nontechnical terms, we moved the bio metrics off a traveler expected to be on a departing flight out of the dhs data base and into its own temporary and secure data base until we encounter the person. By doing so, we can now skip reading the passport first, like all other countries require who have smart gates and a lot of the technology weve seen developed. We can go straight to collecting a bio metric and matching against the gallery. This makes the process a lot quicker and the infrastructure footprint much smaller, less expensive and much more manageable to implement. So we put this concept to test using facial recognition on a flight in atlanta. We created a preposition gallery of facial images we already had collected and compared a live photograph of the traveler boarding the plane, thus creating a bio metric record of departure. We processed about 28,000 travelers through this atlanta demonstration over the last ten months matching at a rate of high 90 percentile for travelers who had a photograph available. This validated our concept on how to use the data coupled with the latest technology and fitting with the operation that operational model of the airlines and easy for travelers to use. While facial recognition will be used, well continue to collect fingerprints from foreign nationals upon initial encounters. Both bio metrics will be fused together in our systems and the fingerprint results can be returned by matching a Photo Associated with them. So were getting the same vetting results as if we had read the fingerprints or the passport, this is a much efficient, convenient and user friendly way of traveler verification without losing any of the security benefits. Weve introduced this vision to the air travel industry. Beginning this summer we will roll out six to ten bio metric air exit demonstrations at airports. They will occur at select flights at each of the airports. This will allow our stake holders to work with the new process and we can jointly develop an implementation strategy that also conforms to their own modernization plans. Cbp is not neglecting the land environment. We landed strategy the land strategy will consist of initially requiring third Country Nationals to self report their departure from the u. S. At the land border ports. Theres very few of these travelers making a final departure from the u. S. Only a few hundred a day, if that. We will commence a notification process later this year to advise travelers of these new requirements. In addition, facial Recognition Technology will be deployed at two southwest land ports of entry. This configuration will be developed to expandable to other pedestrian locations. So in conclusion, we will have a feasible, efficient bio metric exit solution in all modes with the exception of land border vehicles. Its a matter of building out the i. T. Back end services and infrastructure to support this on a National Basis. While simultaneously working with the industry stakeholders to incorporate their own automation efforts into the exit infrastructure. So thank you for the opportunity to appear today and i look forward to your questions. Thank you, mr. Wagner. Chair now recognizes mr. Settles for five minutes. Chairwoman mcsally, thank you for the opportunity to appear today to discuss how i. C. E. , Homeland Security investigations, hsi investigates visa overstays and to highlight improvements hsi has implemented in overstay enforcement. Hsis counterterrorism and criminal exploitation unit, ctecu, focuses on identifying and prioritizing its enforcement efforts towards overstays who are still in the country, otherwise known as incountry overstays. Who may pose a National Security or Public Safety threat. On a daily basis, hsi agents and just thousands of potential overstay leads from u. S. Custom s and border protection, cbp arrival and departure information system, hsi student and Exchange Visitor information and other referrals on foreign nationals who may have overstayed their admission period are otherwise violated the terms of their admission to the u. S. When ctc when leads are received by the ctceu team, they go through an automated and manual vetting process based on a framework. Lead packages that include all available information and instructions on how to adjudicate the leads are sent to the hsi sack offices nationwide for further investigation by local trained and experienced field agents. In fy 2016, hsi reviewed approximately 1. 2 million unvalidated overstay leads. Numerous leads were closed through the above described vetting process due to subsequent departures from the United States, a change in status, or pending immigration benefits. Those that did not meet hsis threat criteria were referred to i. C. E. s enforcement and removal operation for further action. Of the overstay leads remaining within hsis purview, 4116 lead packages were sent to hsi field offices for further investigation. From those leads, hsi special agents made 1261 arrests, secured 97 indictments, and 55 convictions. 1884 cases are still currently under investigation. Another 1126 were closed as being in compliance. The remaining leads were cycled back into Continuous Monitoring for further research as new information is revealed. However, we at hsi are committed to always doing better and advancing our capabilities as technology is developed and as resources allow. And overstay enforcement is certainly no exception. I would like to take a moment to highlight a recent Pilot Program and overstay enforcement and effort to prevent overstays by pushing the borders out and our effort to improve data. First, our overstay life cycle pilot is an effort to ensure Continuous Monitoring. Started last year, hsi is tracking nonimmigrant visitors who filed visa applications at certain visa security posts. From the time they apply through their departure from the United States. This continuous review allows hsi the ability to take action should derogatory information be uncovered at any point in the visa life cycle. Second, hsi in collaboration with the department of defense and cbp developed a bio metric program called bit map to target high risk subjects who are en route to the u. S. Through bit map we provide capability to our foreign partners to tactically collect bio metric and bio graphic data of persons of interest they encounter. If such individuals are identified as threats to u. S. National security, hsi and our u. S. Government partners work with host nations to take appropriate Law Enforcement action. In addition, bit map collections bring individuals of interest to our attention so that we can prevent them from acquiring visas and stop admission to the u. S. At future encounters. One example of bit map Program Success involves an Eastern European National Encounter in south america. Through bit map, the subject was found to be a match to a nofly record, and when confronted and questioned, he identified himself as a foreign fighter. He was detained for deportation in south america and his travel was stopped. This is what hsi is striving to do, identify such individuals that prevent them from reaching the u. S. Third, hsi has been an integral partner in improving the system to identify overstays. Through modernization of lead track and cvis we are advancing dhs information sharing and expediting overstay vetting. A number of initiatives are ongoing at dhs to enable systems to provide personcentric rather than event specific data to help us better prioritize our cases. Before concluding, let me emphasize how seriously we take the recommendations from oig and gao reviews. When i came into this job from the field just a few weeks ago and was given the last oig report i took action immediately in response to concerns about Field Training and overstays. Overstay investigations. I resent the ctceu overstay handbook and guidance to all of the hsi field offices and agents. This handbook provides detailed instructions on what systems to use and how to conduct overstay investigations. I also launched a plan to reinvigorate our regional training program. Because if even one agent is confused on how to investigate one of the leads leads, its not acceptable. Thank you again for inviting me today to explain hsis Critical Role in the overstay enforcement process. I would be pleased to answer any of your questions. Thank you mr. Settles. The chair now recognizes mr. Roth for five minutes. Chairwoman mcsally, thank you for inviting me here today to testify to discuss our work relating to visa overstays including our most recent audit report. The results of our audit reveal that dhs Information Technology systems do not effectively support i. C. E. Visa tracking for a number of reasons. First, identifying potential visa overstays requires pulling data from dozens of systems and data bases, some of which are not integrated and do not electronically share information. This is necessary because four different dhs components, i. C. E. , and the National Protection and programs directorate, as well as numerous entities outside of the dhs are involved in managing the overstay issue. Much of the data that is stored is not in easily retrievable fields. As an illustration of the disjointed nature of the i. T. Systems involved, i. C. E. Investigators need to retain up to 40 different passwords, each with different access restrictions and expiration dates for up to 27 different information systems. Second, realtime access data is hampered by System Access restrictions. I. C. E. Personnel are sometimes unable to gain access to systems despite having a need to do so. Some data is retained in paperbased files which is can take considerable time to access and some systems are not frequently updated. Third, i. C. E. Personnel do not have the training and guidance they need to effectively identify and utilize the numerous systems currently used for visa overstay tracking. I. C. E. Personnel in the field are not always sure which systems to use to perform their specific job functions. Personnel we met at multiple locations expressed concerns that they were unaware of all the systems available to them across dhs components and agency potentially limiting their effectiveness and carrying out their visa tracking responsibilities. Lastly, in the absence of a bio metric exit system at u. S. Ports , dhs relies on third party departure data such as passenger lists from airlines, which is not always accurate and fails to capture land departure data, which accounts for the vast majority of visitors leaving the United States. These deficiencies have a significant real world impact, including a backlog of more than 1. 2 million visa overstay cases. An inability to estimate with any degree of confidence the number of individuals who are actually overstaying, which results in a poor understanding of the problem and incomplete reporting to congress. Considerable resources wasted investigating thousands of leads that could have been eliminated, such as individuals who had already left the country or applied for and received immigration benefits. In fact, during our review we found that hsi agents spend 40 of their case load investigating individuals they should not be investigating largely because they were in compliance with the law or had left the country. Part of the problem is that the department has historically done a poor job of requiring i. T. Integration which results in a fragmented and decentralized system. The chief Information Officer should provide greater oversight and centralized management of i. T. Systems. This is a longstanding issue we have repeatedly reported on. They must provide training and guidance to personnel in the field about how to properly current data systems. Finally, cbp must continue to work on moving forward with the bio metric entry exit system to assist in the efforts. Until the department properly equips its personnel with the tools and training required for the vital work of tracking visitors who overstay their visas, timely identification, investigation and adjudication of visa overstays will not be possible, increasing the risk to Public Safety and National Security. We made five recommendations in our audit report that we believe will assist in making the process more efficient. The department in its components have agreed with each of our recommendations and is implementing corrective action. We will monitor the progress the department makes and report as needed. This concludes my testimony. I would be happy to answer any questions you or other members of the committee may have. Thank you, mr. Roth. I now recognize myself for five minutes for questions. Gentlemen, listening to your testimony is deeply concerning the situation that were in. Its troubling. Its frustrating. Its infuriating. I mean, this is a significant issue that we need the will and capability to address, right . And from my view, again, i look at things often i was a fighter pilot. We have two main challenges. The first is we need to make sure we have good data and good information. We need to know who has overstayed and who hasnt overstayed. So thats on the data front. Our Situational Awareness is high and we have good data. Then the second piece is once we know who has overstayed, what are we doing about it . How are we using your resources , mr. Settles, to prioritize so we are quickly not wasting time and prioritizing in order to address the issue for enforcement with the highest priority being those that are National Security risks. In both these areas we had significant failures and challenges that bring us to this place of the report. We appreciate the information in the report, but we still just have so much more to go to address the will and capability in both of these areas. We have shown, mr. Wagner as you said, the will in congress. We have funded money for a program without a plan. We are now anxiously awaiting for the will and the capabilities to increase in these areas. So mr. Wagner, i want to start with you on some of the challenges weve had in the past is when we had Biographical Data focused versus biometric, still relying more on the airlines and private industry to give information to something that many believe is a inherently governmental responsiblity. Talk to me about this official recognition approach and how that will be implemented and what is the in the Airline Industry and what is the government doing and how is that impacting u. S. Travelers . Are we getting our facial recognition collected and brought to a government database . Because were not foreign travelers. How does that all work . So on the manifest issue with the third party data, i mean, we find its very accurate. This is data thats collected by the airline when you check in. Its verified by the airline when they give you your boarding pass. Its verified by a tsa officer when you go through a check point, and its the basis we do all our National Security check for nofly list and including on all your domestic travel. Our work by adding bio metrics is that that data is very accurate. But true, the vulnerability remains of an imposter departing the United States under someone elses biometric data. The bio metrics are essential to closing that vulnerability and doing it. It doesnt mean the data we are relying on today is inaccurate. This is the bio graphic data we caught the times square bomber leaving the United States on. If he flies out of someone elses pass port, we may not catch it unless somebody looks at the photograph very closely. Weve got pictures of everyone from their arrival records. Ill address your u. S. Citizen comment, too. What we can do is when the airline provides us that manifest, well pull all of the faces that we have in the dhs data base and put them in its own secure data base. When the person goes to board the plane, its as simple as just taking their picture and quering against that small subset of data you put aside. This is really quick and really easy to do and putting a camera at the departure area to do this. Now u. S. Citizens are included in that because just because someone presents a u. S. Passport we still have to determine they are a u. S. Citizen. And we can have an officer there or an airline person standing and comparing the document manually or we can use the algorithm to make that match once we confirm its a u. S. Citizen, we discard the data because they are not subject to the biometric exit requirement but we do have a responsibility to determine if a person is a citizen and not an imposter to the passport that theyre presenting. Does that happen automatically or manually . That would happen automatically with the facial recognition software. So we take a picture, we compare you against the photograph youve already provided to the u. S. Government for purposes of travel. You get your passport photo that we have from department of state. If you match against that we discard the data as you are confirmed to be a u. S. Citizen. So the plan for this year is to build out the back end services and build out the ability on a National Basis to take all of the manifests in, be able to populate the galleries and build the database space to store this. And then work on the infrastructure to be able to match that. So you need the space to store the data. You need to build the services to retrieve the photos out of i dent or the data base, stage them and create that gallery per flight. Then you have got to procure the matchers, the algorithms from the private sector and Technology Companies that build these. You have to implement that and build the protocol between the camera at the gate and getting into that gallery to match and have a response back. So, what were working with while were building that out, that will take us the rest of this calendar year really to build that out. Once we build that, were working with the airlines and the airports on their own modernization plans, because theyre looking at selfboarding gates, facial recognition for boarding passes, self tagging checked bags. We want to combine with them. So there is not a gauntlet of cameras to go through just to board a plane. Its one single photograph that well be able to take care of several purposes at once including the bio metric exit. All the same data runs in the background. The fingerprints run in the background. Youre just pointing it to the same vetting results through matching the face instead of actually reading the passport. So the plan is to combine what were doing with what the airlines and the airports want to do and build that out over the course of this year and into next year. So we can really leverage each Others Technology and we can provide the platform and provide the service. Now, who owns the front end piece . Its a matter of buying cameras and plugging them in. And our plans include looking at tsa and the checkpoint and some possibilities at helping them with some of their work because youre comparing against the same document. Looking at other Services Within that airport, provided we could work through the privacy requirements of doing so. But you should be able to match against that passport or that visa photo all through the airport any place you would currently show an i. D. Im almost out of my time. I saw theres no additional funds for this project in the fy 2018 budget request that came out. So do you have the funds already from what we have allocated . And what is the timeline to complete all this . Correct. We have enough money this year and next year to get the platform built and get this started. Well be demonstrating six to eight sites, up to a dozen sites this summer to show the stake holders how it works and start to work on their own modernization plans to fit it. Theyll stage those photos, procure the space and procure the algorithms to do the matching. We think theres enough money to do the complete air environment starting this year into next year. Land board is a different challenge. Got it. Ok, so well circle back afterwards. Im out of time. I want to know the full time line and the full cost for this to roll out. Mr. Roth, i want to make sure that i understand your testimony because and subsequently, im curious as to what the departments feelings are about it because before you began your testimony, i assumed that the 739,000 figure that we had for 2016 would be precise. But as i understand your testimony, youre suggesting that thats not likely so. Is that right . Thats correct. I can explain why. Theres a couple areas in which inaccuracies get injected into the system. With all respect to officer wagner, i think that the airlines do an okay job with regard to providing passenger manifests, but during our audit we found that that accuracy rate was in the low 90 , somewhere between 92 and 95 . Seems pretty good except if youre talking about 50 Million People, 5 of 50 million is still a significant number of people. The other thing that the report its very up front. It acknowledges the fact that it does not include the land border. Which obviously is a significant issue. This year, of course, they included students which they hadnt last year, so we commend them for gradually increasing the accuracy. But i think when were talking about this level of numbers of travelers, there is going to be inaccuracies here. What we found, for example, is the cases that got shipped to Homeland Security investigations for overstays, these were the high priority cases. 40 of them either got system immigration benefit or had left the country. In other words, we thought that they were overstays and once they got investigated they werent overstays. So there will be a significant amount of inaccuracy in these kinds of numbers. So, are you saying that that figure is probably about 90 accurate . Thats the problem is we cant tell exactly how accurate is it is and thats the whole nature of the problem. As i said, once we took a look at the accuracy of the numbers that we got from the airlines, we saw that that was somewhere in the low 90 accuracy rate. But again, thats an estimate. We cant estimate what kind of volume were talking about at the Southern Land border, for example, or the Northern Land border, excluding canadians who will not share that information. So, again, theres a lot we dont know. So i would caution or i would exercise some caution believing the accuracy, the specific accuracies of these numbers. So chief wagner, what are your thoughts on that . So, the report didnt include the airline manifest data or how it was accounted for or received from the airlines, so i dont know how the 90 figure was calculated. That really wasnt in the report. What i did see in the report was some i. C. E. Agent case data from fiscal year 2015, but there was no indication of how old or stale that data was, with these cases from 2015, 2014 or 2013. So its hard really to say about the accuracies of that data without having the analysis of what actual data was received and how it was calculated other than some anecdotal statement s from the i. C. E. Agents and how complicated it was. So there was a lot of summaries, judgments made based on anecdotal information. I didnt see the analysis behind it. As far as the land border goes, sure. You know, 250 million land border travelers last year, but once you take out the mexican citizens and the canadian citizens, the numbers are very small. Out of 190 million this is on arrivals, land border travelers last year, only just over 400,000 were nonmexican citizens, nonamerican citizens. Very small number. On the northern border, out of 60 million travelers theres about 1. 1 million noncanadian, nonu. S. Travelers. So we think this is a manageable subset to start with. You know, we think theres manual reporting requirements we can put in for that same population if they depart the land border. You know, as their final departure from the United States. You know, those numbers will be even smaller than these numbers because they include the workers and the people that cross back and forth to well call them third Country Nationals at this point. So we think thats a manageable subset, but true, a lot more people cross the land borders, but its a lot of, as you know, its the commuting traffic and a lot of local Community Going back and forth who wouldnt be subject to bio metric exit any way. Thank you. Chair now recognizes mr. Barleta for five minutes. Thank you. Mr. Wagner, for years ive been calling for the congress and administration to follow through on what of the key demonstrations of the 9 11 report to meet a bio metric screening system an essential investment in our security. As noted earlier as many as four of the 9 11 overstayed and we have seen this pattern continue in other terrorist plots. Bio metric entry exit means collecting bio metrics at land, air and sea. One gaping hole in plans we have heard about today is land ports of entry where about two thirds of travelers pass through. Can you please speak to plans to collect biometric entry data at land ports of entry and why arent we verifying the identity of land arrivals biometrically . So, land arrivals are collected biometrically when someone leaves that border zone on the southwest border or canadian citizens on the northern border are not subject to the biometric collection, so any Third Country National coming across the Canadian Border we would collect the biometrics. On the southern border its any mexican citizen that wants to proceed passed the border zone and any third Country Nationals that would come in. I gave you the numbers on the third Country Nationals on the mexican border. For mexican citizens, it was just over 15 million last year. It was a pretty significant number, but all of them come in , have their biometrics verified. They have already been taken by state department when they got the visa. We verify who it is. So the plans on departure would be start with the third Country Nationals. Its a very manageable group. Set up a manual reporting requirement for them. Have them come in and give us their biometrics. The problem is the technology and the vehicle lanes theres just nothing yet. Were testing some cameras to do facial recognition in through a vehicle. We havent seen anything thats commercially available yet, but for pedestrians i think we can do that using the same system were building for airports. Thank you. Mr. Daugherty, its good to see an updated visa overstay report which was more complete than the one issued last year. That being said, as noted, this report does not cover all foreign visitors to the United States such as those that enter through the land ports of entry. It also does not provide the total estimated in country overstay population that are here now. Its a snapshot of time of those foreign visitors expected to depart in fiscal year 2016 and those who did not do so. How do you plan to use the information in the new overstay report and what do you think is the most effective way to address the problem of overstays . I personally think that a better means of communicating with people who are here on visas should be explored. I think were doing that now. I think cbp is looking towards pushing something out on your phone that says, hey, youre almost done. I think it would be nice if the sending countries would do the same thing. I know if i was on travel and the host country was telling me it was about time to go and my own government was telling me the same, that would motivate to me to get going. I think that in terms of compliance and getting people to voluntarily leave, if their intention is to come here and overstay, we need to do a better job of understanding whether or not thats their intention on the front end. So, if were going to be doing screening and vetting in a more sort of robust fashion, how does that translate into real life . I think part of it is going to be probably increasing training for those individuals who actually do interview people who are intending to come to the United States to better understand their intent. That is, as i mentioned in my opening statement, part of the executive order is that the interagencies getting together and looking at whether or not we can do a better job of determining intent and perhaps denying admission to those people who would intend to overstay. So, youve got in a sense a little bit of a carrot perhaps with notifying people, hey, youre almost done. But then theres the stick which is we cant let you in because basically i cannot determine based on the colloquy that you and i are having right now that youre not going to the United States under whatever visa category that you dont intend to just overstay. Thank you, madame chair. Gentlemen yields back. The chair now recognizes mrs. Demmings from florida for five minutes. Thank you so much, madame chair. Mr. Wagner, you talked about the operational model in atlanta and the plans for further build out at six to ten, i believe, additional airports. But what portion of the process are the stake holders, the airports, the airlines willing to own and what portions will be cbps . So, cbp will receive the airline manifest information about who checks in for a flight, just as we do today. We will build a gallery of photographs based on the holdings, the data weve already got from peoples arrival information where we took their picture. We will stage that in a gallery in a secure Computer Data base and we will procure a matching algorithm to be able to match your received photograph against that gallery. Now, who owns that front end camera and who takes that picture . I think that could be the government could do that or the airline could do that. What about costwise . The cost of the camera would be the inexpensive part of this. The cost would be the personnel. Cbp has to staff each one of the 5000 departure gates at all the airports or look at restricting departures to only locations we could staff. How many additional personnel or officers, personnel would you need to implement the program nationally . That would be thousands. That would be thousands of officers to do that or pull them from the inbound lanes by creating additional delays there. So, if the airlines are already going through a boarding process and verifying passports manually because thats where a lot of gate agents do now, they have to look at now, because wherever theyre going, they have to hold the priority right person. We want to build a platform that if an airline is looking at modernizing and doing facial recognition, which were in talks with an airline right now about doing that for a boarding pass, well, why not link them up and just have one camera, one picture of the traveler taken that provides both benefits, boarding the plane and doing the biometric exit, so you as the traveler wouldnt have to go through two cameras and having a cpb officer standing there. Should the airlines choose to do that, we want to build a platform that could accept their technology and allow them to do that. If not, the government could procure that. But then the costs will go up and the resources and manpower to do that would be astronomical. Ok, thank you. Mr. Dougherty, how does the department make sure field personnel is adequately trained to identify and investigate incidents of individuals who may be in the country longer than the term of their visas . Maam, i would defer a portion of that question to my colleagues within i. C. E. To answer. I do want to address one thing, if i could, regarding secretary kellys interest in bringing on many new i. C. E. Officers. As a former marine general, hes very interested in the ground troops. Hes very interested in the quality of their life, the equipment that they get, and principally in the training they get as well. So his objective is to add as many folks as we can to, while keeping a high quality of recruit coming into i. C. E. To assist as i. C. E. Agents, the number that has been placed down in public is 10,000 people over time. So his intention there would be to ensure that they were very, very welltrained. He believes in professionalism. And its a strong characteristic of his personality. The remainder of your question, if i could, i would defer to mr. Settles. Mr. Settles. Yes, thank you. I guess from looking at the report, its kind of a twopart question. One is training in the systems, and then the other part is training on how to conduct the investigations. I know that, you know, theres main dhs and i. C. E. Cios came forward with a plan on the System Training thats supposed to be implemented by i believe april 30 of 2018. And it was concurred with by oig. On the other side, like i mentioned, when i took over this job, and i saw there were some agents out there, and again, i know there may be new agents. And these are difficult cases. I mean, the people dont want to be found, especially if they came here, you know, to hurt us, for National Security or Public Safety concerns, or if they just ended up overstaying their visa, theyre not going to make it easy for us. So just like any criminal investigation, you know, some of them we can adjudicate in a few hours. Some of them take a long time because the people dont want to be found. As far as the number of systems, we do have work to do, theres no doubt about it. I will say weve come a long ways, though, from the days i can remember of the systems that i used when i was a field agent and how you had to type in these long strings of almost like doslike codes in order to search things like criminal records. We are moving in our lead track, which is ctc, weve moved to it being a single signon, and personcentric was very important because it allows us to look at everything that that person did, not just the event or the visa they filed. But, you know, we are going to weve already sent out the handbook. It seemed like there was some confusion that there was at least one agent that didnt, you know, understand how to do these. The handbook gives detailed information. The leads, we send out the reports of investigation, says what the about 130 employees did that i have here in the National Capital region that ingest these leads, the 1. 2 million leads. And after the automated screening, then they go through, you know, and check all of the systems manually. Part of the reason they do that is because a system is only as good as the information you put in it. And part of that is to amplify the information, make it better, make connections that the technology cant do yet, you know, along the lines of finding a speeding ticket and seeing that it adds another address. Right now youll have to log onto a different system in order to be able to do that because there is concerns of third agency and privacy and other things. Theres always going to be a lot of systems. I think thats why these guys and gals get paid. Thank you so much. Thank you, madam chair. The chair recognizes mr. Rutherford from florida for five minutes. Thank you, madam chair. Mr. Settles, and mr. Ross numbers, and this kind of goes back to the issue we were just talking about, it says. 4 of the overstays were actually arrested. Thats 3402. Thats obviously a pretty small number. And what i was to kind of follow up where youre at, i want to ask just a couple of brief questions. Number one, do they log into ncic and look for these overstays in jails throughout the country . Yes, sir, they do. And also the Sister Agency to hsiero has a program that goes around to the jails and puts detainers on individuals that are within the jails. When mr. Wagner builds out the facial recognition program, is there a way for 287g agencies to actually tap into that and let you know, instead of you because if you check ncic today, they may not be in there. They may be in there tomorrow, though. So unless youre continuously checking, you may be missing the boat. But if we had those agencies out there helping you hit a database of overstays, then we identify them for you and tell you, come pick them up. And that way, we have thousands of officers all over the country helping to capture this population. So my question is, when this database becomes available, will you have to be a 287g agency to get into that database, or could some other structure be put on like the Fusion Centers or Something Like that . You know, i dont know the answer to that yet, because were not there to that point yet. But i think its a great idea. It would be very helpful for us, for the departments that want to work with us, to be able to run that information and send it back to us. It would also be helpful when the Technology Comes online to where it can continually search, and you dont have to go in there every day and rerun the name, we can put it in there once and its out there looking. Mr. Wagner . That database already exists. That exists today. Weve collected the biometrics, the fingerprints, the photographs, of every noncitizen that has arrived in the United States with the exception of canadian citizens. So thats already there. All were building with this is, when the airline tells us who to expect to fly, because that database is 200 million identities, probably a billion photographs. So its difficult just to send a picture in and say, who is this . Or send your fingerprints in and say, who is this . Youve got to read the passport first to find them, because the databases are too big, the way theyve been architected over time. What well do when we get the airline manifest, we have a very small file were searching against. Then we start over and start to look, who is this person really . A lot of those capabilities to run photographs into that main database, which is run by dhss opens office to do that. But again, i go back to the same question i had for mr. Settles. If the officers arent accessing those databases every day, those databases are changing every day, as far as arrest. Who is in our jails . Do local jails have access to that database . I dont exactly know. But what well do is well run a lot of recurrent vetting or perpetual vetting against the databases that we have. So we take state departments visa database and every day we run that against new information. We run that all the time against new pieces of information. If the tsdb, the terrorism watch list, gets a new entry, we get that and we run it against our holdings to see, do we know this person, does the u. S. Government have any info on this person, do they have a visa, are they in the country, are they out of the country, are they on an overstay . If we see that person as a visa, we look to see how they traveled to the u. S. And are they here . If theyre here, were passing it off to i. C. E. , saying here is a tsdb hit, the person is still in the country. Well call the state department and have their visa cancelled. I know sometimes the numbers that arent included are as important as the ones that are. The. 4 is those overstays that were actually arrested. Do you have a clearance number for your agents, mr. Settles, i think, who even though they only arrest. 4 , how many of the overstay cases do they investigate, do they actually clear, either by arrest or clear because they find out theyre out of the country or they passed away or whatever the exceptional circumstances may be. Yeah, i mean, again, so when they come in to us, were looking for that derogatory information for National Security, Public Safety. The ones that dont meet our criteria, we send to ero. Thats about 679,000. Of the leads that come into us, then through the manual vetting we close about 350,000, because again, like we talked about, this is a snapshot in time. People are coming and going every day. The gentlemans time has expired. Can we follow up in a second round . Yeah, i just didnt want to leave the impression that you only know about 3400. You know a lot more than that. Yes, sir. The chair recognizes ms. Berrigan from california. Thank you. Mr. Roth, i want to go back to you about this issue of whether the numbers we have are accurate or not. Can you tell us, the numbers that were given, what is the basis on you saying theyre not accurate . Excuse me. We do this audit, and we talk to cdp. So the numbers i gave you are cited in our report. Those are numbers that cdp themselves gave us. The low 90 to 94 accuracy rate of the passenger manifest that they get, cdp itself says is between 90 and 94 accurate. We put that in our report. We give it to cbp. Cbp has an opportunity to object to that, say its not accurate. They did not object to that. This is referenced by our auditors according to government auditing standards. We believe that that is an accurate number of people who are either underreported, meaning they have not left, even though the Airline Records show that they have left, or overreported, meaning that the airlines failed to show that they left. So either way, its a problem for our visa overstay issue. Now, thats corroborated by the fact that when we went out to the field and we talked to the i. C. E. Agents actually doing the work, we found a lot of their cases were in fact people who had left the country, it was like 17 of their caseload. So we have it both ways, both from cpb data that cpb itself gave us, as well as anecdotally from hsi agents who say, hey, the data that youre giving us, these files that youre giving us are bad. So thats how we can tell. Through no fault of either cpb or i. C. E. Or dhs that this happens, this is the law of large numbers. When youre talking about 50 Million People ar a number of different ports, these kind of things will happen. Thank you. Do you know how long you said there are times when you go to the investigators and they start to investigate and they realize there is no overstay. Do we know how long how often that happens and how much time we waste in doing that or how far along in the process we found that out . We looked at that in our audit report. And for fiscal 2015, which is the year that our audit looked at, it was a 40 rate. So about 25 were individuals who had received some sort of immigration benefits, they werent in fact overstaying, they were complying with the immigration law. And the remainder were out of the country by the time the hsi agents received that. Thats the data that we compiled based on our audit looking at hsi data. And mr. Settles, do you know what the timing is like on lets say somebody overstays their visa, when i. C. E. Would actually get this report, that theres an overstay. Does it take weeks, does it take months, is it a year . It used to take weeks. Now weve reduced it down to about three to five days. Its got to come in, be automated and a manual process, through both intelligence holding and, you know, like weve said, quite a few other databases currently. And then we package it up and send it out to the field. So we cut it down from two to three weeks to three to five days. Which has been a significant achievement. And i guess my concern has been, you know, you hear about the reports of the 9 11 attackers, people who have overstayed their visa. For me, it makes this a critical issue that we need to actually invest dollars in as opposed to a wall, per se. Once you get that list, i imagine theres a lot of people on that list, how do you then determine who is a priority . Do you look at people coming from certain countries, do you look at, you know, how long theyve overstayed their visa . What is the process . So we get about 3000 leads a day that comes into us from either cpb or from cbis and other sources. And we have we chair this board called the compliance enforcement advisory board, or the ceab. And that has other Law Enforcement agencies like fbi, other agencies in the intelligence community. They help us set a tentiered priority may transition that we bounce that off. Tier one are the people that we know there is some type of National Security or derogatory information. The other tiers could be because of travel patterns of concern, countries of concern. And one of the things that after looking at both the overstay report and the oig report that were going to take, ive asked my team to take to this compliance enforcement advisory panel, is maybe looking at countries adding in that have a very high rate of overstay as another factor. But we bounce it off of those. And that gives us a prioritized list. And then thats what we send out first. We continue to monitor the other. I mean, if you dont mind me saying, it really is, for the hsi side, it is a resource issue, because our agents are doing other things. Theyre investigating Child Exploitation where theres actually a victim. You know, we have to prioritize those things. Or that we get information that a drug load is coming in that day. Now, im not saying that if we knew that an overstay lead had anything to do with National Security or something that was more important, you know, like but if its a fraud case that we have an overstay, and the agent, you know, is needing to go out and rescue a child victim, were going to prioritize that. So, i mean, thats kind of the different layers of how we get down to prioritizing. But what i can tell you is, weve sent out more leads already this year than we did all of last year, because that tentiered system, because were no longer excluding any classes of aliens, were looking at all ten tiers again. Okay. Thank you so much. I yield back. The chair now recognizes mr. Rogers from alabama. I thank the chair. Mr. Settles, we know in 2016 that more illegal aliens stayed in the u. S. On visa overstays than were caught at the southern border. Is it just employment thats drawing them, is that what youre finding . What is making that happen . Sir, thats a really hard question for me to answer. I mean, i think i would be giving you my opinion. Thats what im looking for. Hopefully its an informed opinion. Well, i would rather get back to you on that, if i could. I think i would just be speculating. I want to work with my team and maybe give you a more informed answer. Okay. When you collect when these individuals are caught and removed, are exit interviews done . Are they debriefed . That does occur, especially if theyre somebody thats of concern. Were going to work with ero and were going to talk with them, try to find out information. Thats what criminal investigations do. Overstays are of concern. I would hope when we do apprehend somebody and remove them, somebodys asking them a few questions before we send them on. Absolutely. Thats part of presenting the case. If its a criminal case, were going to have to have interviewed them and were going to have to have, you know, produce evidence. The same if its an immigration arrest and were taking them in front of an immigration judge. It seems staying on an expired visa is the lowest risks and highest rewards are to live in the u. S. Illegally. One way to make illegal labor less profitable and appealing is to put a fee on money sent back to their home country by these illegal workers. And ive introduced a bill to do that, tax remittances, put a fee on remittances. But what other than that, what current Legal Mechanism do you have in i. C. E. Rcvp that can reduce the appeal of overstays . I know you talked about the interviews that you can do on the front end. But what Legal Mechanisms do you have to really chill their enthusiasm from coming here and overstaying . Ill touch on it briefly and then i can pass to my colleague at cbp. But depending on how long they overstay, that makes them ineligible for applying or receiving a visa again. It could be three years or ten years. It also limits their ability to apply for a visa anywhere other than their home country, which can be really difficult. So there are and then they face detention, you know, removal. So not in this country they havent been. My recollection is from about ten or eleven years ago that when folks come here on these visas, particularly if its a temporary work visa or a student visa, theyre issued a Social Security card. Is that still the practice . I cant that happens in some cases, people are able to get Social Security cards, but its an individual and i think it has to do with i would just rather get back to you on that answer. If you would. My recollection is that we require it, if theyre going to be here as a student or working, they have to get a Social Security i. D. Number. If you could check if thats the case and get back to me, i would appreciate it. With that ill yield, madam chair. Thank you, madam chair. My apologies for running late, i was caught up on the floor. Im going to ask a question that wasnt asked before. People come in on temporary visas from mexico. When you return, youre not actually required to collect them at the border, is that correct . Or is it a process to collect those . Theyre provided a paper i94 if they cross through the land border. Thats correct. And theyre supposed to hand that back in at the end of their stay. But there are multiple entries, so they can use them for multiple entries and not hand it in. So how do you account in terms of guesstimating folks that are still here versus those that are not, given that they may be handed in versus not handed returned when they exit the country . So at the land border, what we look at is what we call subsequent arrivals. So, if someone has a Border Crossing card, a mexican citizen with a visa, 85 of those travelers cross the border again within 30 days. Obviously they left, they can cross again. If you push that out to six months, 95 of them cross again within 180 days. So right now, thats the best indicator we have of what percentage might be overstaying or not crossing the border again. So youve got essentially a guesstimate, an algorithm to guesstimate how many folks are returning and how many are not . True, because we do not have the exit collection process on the land border. Okay. Any thoughts on the collection process . And i guess an even more important question is, how important is it to really have that, you know, collection process . Are we going after an issue thats significant . And i say that to you because ive had many relatives that i go pick them up at tijuana, they get the permit, come over. When you exit, theres really nobody there to take the card. Its not an issue or not to me because other than i tell them, lets find somebody to give this card to, otherwise you may be accused of overstaying your time here. So the question is, is it really an issue, and number two, if it is an issue, are we going to move forward to create a process to collect these cards . Correct. There is not facilities build, there is not infrastructure. It was never designed to control the departures. Work andorcement targeted examinations of people, but to do it on a wholesale process, we are not equipped or built to do that. There is some work. Perhaps with the Mexican Government we can do about exchanging information. We are discussing in tijuana at pedestrians and exchanging some information. Similarly to what we have done with canada on entry into canada can serve as a departure record from the u. S. Or exchanging noncanadian data. There is possibility to help mexican mexico build the infrastructure to do that or the u. S. Government can build it on our side. There is no infrastructure there now or personnel to do that. Thank you, mr. Ragnar, that is an excellent idea given the cost of infrastructure and most sides of the border you have infrastructure being built right now and when you do cross the border into mexico, the authorities do check you out to see who you are and what you have in your car. I encourage you to continue to seek some similar relationships, cooperation as we have with canada with mexico. I think that is a winwin strategy. They keep very much. That, a yield the remainder of my time. We are going to start the second round and i recognize myself. I want to talk about changing some of the behavior here. When we look at the penalties that could be a potential deterrent, if you could stay 364 days and that only means that once you are told to leave or if you leave on your own, you cant come back for three years, if you stay a little longer you can come back for 10 years. Coming over the land border illegally a second time is a felony. Do you feel that the penalties are appropriate to deter this action . And secondly, as i look at some of these charts, i think about carrots and sticks to countries. We have some countries that have rates of 75 percent over state overstays. Some are in the high 20s and 40s. 67 from liberia. The individuals given a visa are overstaying, our record meeting with the state department to have some countryspecific sticks in order to deter continuing behavior like this . Because obviously, it is not working. Mr. Wagner we have provided the report to the department of state. It withhey have shared their posts, those numbers and we have shared it with our field locations that these are the countries that have high overstay rates. Travelers with those passports a little closer with that in mind, that they have high overs overstay rates. Rep. Mcsally obviously the state departments not here and there need to be other tools, the country x, get your act together or you are no longer going to be granted visas because if you are having a 70 plus percent overstay rate, there has to be some sort of caret and there are other diplomatic tools for them to tighten up the process. How are the individual penalties . Mr. Wagner we enforce them as the legislation permits. Rep. Mcsally i know, does that mean it is an appropriate deterrent or does anyone have a thought on the . Obviously with 700 thousand plus people blowing them off, perhaps we need to look into that to tighten those up. I want to talk about resources. You said you dont have adequate resources. How many agents are there total and how many are focused on visa overstays . The numbers change and we are trying to hire. Agents andut 6500 for the last few years, we have dedicated somewhere between six and 700,000 hours towards overstay enforcement. That is how we measure how is that as a percentage of total manhours . Mr. Settles i would have to take it back. I think it is around 3 . I am hearing that you feel you need additional agents and resources to adequately enforce this and prioritize it . Mr. Settles yes maam, we could do more. But i would say that we are currently going through a big hiring push, which is very good for us and that is something we are working on. We have a task force, we are doing super one stops or potential agent candidates come in and it is almost like the military, back when they had you were called up for the draft. You go through each phase all at the same time from an interview and physical, and doing the physical fit test. And that moves us along a lot quicker. We are doing those throughout the country. Rep. Mcsally thanks. Anybody else . Id like to go back to mr. Settles. You had mentioned you have a system and you are now looking at all 10 peers. Give me an example of what is at the 10th tier. Mr. Settles i dont have an in front of me, but it could be an individual from a country that has some level of concern, but not as high because of travel patterns are we have identified that people have traveled for foreign fighters and other crier criteria like age. You say you are now looking at all 10 tears. Is that because there is no longer priority set in the department . Why is it you are looking at all 10 tiers . Mr. Settles we are no longer excluding any classes of individuals. Will it sounds like you have a resource issue and without the priority is it it is making a harder for your department, is that accurate . Mr. Settles we sent out more leads than last year which is a the thing, but i would say year before, we had sent out almost twice as meant he leads and subsequent years as well. Resource issue and we are hiring more people, but it also because again, that is working in coordination with other agencies to figure out the people and travel patterns that would be most likely to be of concern to us. Rep. Barragan so how do we know , if you are looking at all 10 tiers you are looking at someone who is in the ninth tier, someone in the first tier would be noticed. Mr. Settles every day we are , we get about 3000 leads a day and we have about 130 agents and analysts crunching through them as fast as they can. Rep. Barragan and there are reports about 10,000 ice agents hired. And we know how many of those will be allocated to overstays . Mr. Settles i do not have any visibility on that. Most of our priorities, we have quite a few it will move back and forth depending on the threat at the time. Also ragan there was my understanding was that the report indicated some of the investigators were not properly trained to access the systems. Why is it they were not poorly trained . Also my understanding was that the report properly trained . Mentioned inlike i my testimony, that is a concern to me as well. If even one agent feels that way, that is not acceptable. We are taking steps to change that but iran 10 field mentionen offices i ran 10 field offices in california, iran them in virginia and d. C. And never had those complaints from agents in those offices that they felt they were trained. Idid sometimes feel think we all feel we have a lot of offices passwords and we have a lot of systems that we have to navigate and if you dont do them every day, if you are somebody who works in Child Exploitation or Money Laundering or drug smuggling or weapon smuggling, and you are taking up some leads in this area and there are some databases that you havent used before, or are only used a couple of times a we would love for the technology to get to a single signon across the board searches does that answer your question . Rep. Barragan yes. Mr. Wagner, what are they doing to ensure the i o metrics data is not compromised under a cyber attack . To defer toi have our i. T. Staff to provide the technical answer on that, but the data is housed within a cbc system. We will be using some cloud Space Technology to store that data, but what we will do is ties incalled template all someone would get was would be a bunch of numbers. When that matches made, the data comes back to the database where it is secured. Rep. Barragan thank you. Announcer House Budget Committee hears from Mick Mulvaney this morning on president trumps proposed budget for fiscal year 2018. Live coverage at 9 30 eastern on cspan3. You can follow life on cspan. Org and our precspan radio app. Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin testifies thursday on president trumps proposed 2018 Treasury Department budget and tax reform plan. With the Senate Finance Committee Beginning at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan three. You can watch live on cspan. Org and on our free cspan radio app. White house budget director Mick Mulvaney briefed reporters on president trumps proposed year 2018. Fiscal questions focused on the administrations request for money to expand walls on the border and proposed cuts to the supplemental