Transcripts For CSPAN Undocumented Students And Immigration Policy 20150405

[applause] felicia thank you so much. It is finally warm and sunny. I appreciate you all being here. I think i am so excited to hear about the conversation. I was just talking to marcelo about some of the research theyve been doing at ucla. I see other people here, roberto, whos done some research on dhaka students their outcomes barriers for , those who havent accessed the daca program to come forward, so i know you all will have a really wonderful discussion. Im here to talk about what the administration is up to and, you know, hopefully we can all Work Together to continue to help individuals get that access to temporary relief and work authorization. So for those of you who dont know what daca is, its the deferred action for childhood arrivals process program. It was implemented in it was announced in june of 2012 and then implemented in august of 2012. We had 60 days to work with dhs to get the program up online so that young people who know this country, know this is their only country grew up pledging , allegiance to our flag, want to contribute to our country could come out of the shadows and get access to temporary status call deferred action and also be eligible to apply for work authorization. So since the program was launched in august of 2012 several hundred thousand about 650,000, actually individuals have come forward and received daca. When we were doing the research on whether to do the program how to do the program, its impact, we assumed about a Million People might be qualified for the program. And we also understood that there would be people that would probably age into the program over time if it existed for several years, as it seems that it will. And so the fact that weve been able to actually bring 650,000 folks out of the shadows out of that one million to us is a success. Obviously, the bigger, the bigger challenge is tackling Immigration Reform, and we all want to get to passage of comprehensive, meaningful Immigration Reform that would affect the 11 million, but also folks waiting in green card backlogs, people who want to come here as students or entrepreneurs, employers who are doing right by system and are getting undercut by unscrupulous employers, that is the main and the big goal that we all continue to strive for. In the meantime, there are things we can do, and so daca is an example of something we are doing as an administration to try to make sense of the system. We are operating in the confines of a brocken law, so you have to find ways to make the law work for our country, work for our economy, immigrants, refugees and others. So daca was an attempt to do that. Since then, as you all know, we have had an unsuccessful unfortunately unsuccessful effort to pass legislation in the congress. We did get a piece of legislation that was, you know not perfect, but pretty darn good out of the senate in june of 2013 and werent able to get something passed out of the house to form a bill that could get to the president s desk. So as a result of this, the president last summer in about june had a conversation with Speaker Boehner about his interest in really seeing legislation get done. We were only a i few months left only a few months left into the last congress, and we felt that our window was going to slip if they didnt act last year. The speaker was having his own challenges as speakers often do, im sure, and was not able to move legislation forward. So the president decided that he could really wait no longer for legislation to happen in the house and wanted us to look at the current law and see what else we could do to make the system work better. So there are a number of things in that we have done. Weve done some work around making our enforcement priorities smarter and more effective so that theyre going after the serious criminals, National Security threats, recent border crossers, and theres ongoing work in that space. We also have done a lot to something that wasnt really highlighted as much but is starting to get highlighted more as things get rolled out we announce a bunch we announced a bunch of changes we were going to make to the Legal Immigration system. Things like changing regulations to allow s. T. E. M. Student who graduate who were foreign born to stay in our country and continue to contribute while getting their education. Theres been some changes related to people who are waiting, h1b workers who are waiting in the backlogs, the green k5rd backlogs green card backlogs, to the allow their spouses to work in our country so we dont lose their talent, and they dont leave the country and can actually help improve the economy by allowing their spouses who are often very skilled as well to work and to get work authorization. Of course, the big thing that got the headline and continues to get the headline is our expansion of the daca program and the creation of the deferred action for parents of u. S. Citizens and lawful permanent residents program. The daca program. So those two, the changes that we made to daca to expand that program and the creation of the daca program would have impacted will impact about four Million People. So as you all know, we are currently in litigation working towards getting to a place where we can actually implement these two reforms. We were about to implement them in february of this year, and we a Texas District Court judge has stopped us from doing that by issuing a preliminary injunction. So we feel very confident about our ability to implement the program and to continue to expand the daca program. We wouldnt have pursued them if we didnt. And it was actually a very healthy debate within the administration, dhs, doj and others around the table about whether we could create a dapa ca program and whether we could expand the daca program. So before we made that decision, we felt very confident in our legal footing and in our ability to and our authority to do that. Despite that, were dealing with the challenges in the courts and well continue to aggressively pursue our remedies. But really in the meantime since we cant implement those programs, it is really important to focus on all the other things that were announced and the successes of the daca program. You know, really its amazing to me, i meet people every day or every week, the president has met many people who have benefited from daca. Hes received letters from parents, from kids who have as a result of dr. Daca, been able to really pursue their dreams, but also contribute to our country. So we hear about people who are, you know, now at mass general becoming mds, people who were working in the Service Sector which is an honorable profession, right . If thats what you, be thats what you pursue. But if you have the skills to do more and contribute more, we want you to do that. So we have people who are now helping create i. T. Structures, things i dont really understand in terms of the technical and i. T. World, engineers, attorneys, other health professionals. And so thats really something that we continue just to to celebrate at the white house. Because it gives us inspiration to continue the work that were doing to pursue the larger reforms legislatively, but also our administrative reforms that are temporarily stopped at this point. Im excited to hear about the wonderful research folks have been doing. It helps us build the case for our continued action in the daca expansion and dapa space because we know the individual oneonone stories, but you do need the research to help back up some of the claims and some of those anecdotes that you hear. So i look forward to hearing about that. And just one other thing we are thinking a lot about is the renewal process. Everyone got daca, we want them to keep it as long as theyre qualified. I know one big worry i had as we were rolling out the new programs was that people would forget about the fact that they actually have to renew their status. The daca status is a twoyear status, its temporary status but we did last year roll out the process for how you can renew your status. Its weve tried to keep it streamlined so that people who have already proved educational requirements dont have to resubmit documents and things like that. And as of this as of now about 150, 200,000 individuals have submitted and received renewal. Thats a good number of the folks that their numbers were coming up. One challenge we have is that its a rolling basis, right . Its not the kind of thing where everyone had to reply by a deadline so everyones status will be up on y date. Everyone chose to receive daca at different times, so its important as we do our work talking about the successes that we also remind people that in order to continue in those successes and to reach even further, that individuals do renew their status. I often say that, you know everyone is a little bit, can be a little bit tardy, young people in particular with meeting deadlines, and the professors in the room probably know that better than i do. So its important that we all remind people that they need to apply at least 120 days before their status runs out, but at but really on the 150day mark is when you can start applying and folks should really be striving to apply at that point. But anyway, so thank you very much for hosting this event and for continuing the discussion about our successes with daca and happy to answer a couple questions or, if not, i can turn it back over to the man whos going to start the panel. [inaudible] felicia if i answered all of the questions, that is fine. Naomi Naomi Verdugo with army. Has the texas injunction impacted the ability ore new or the length that they can renew for . Felicia people can still come forward if they have not applied before, and they can still renew their status. The one piece of this that did get impacted by the injunction is we actually were we announced in november that we were going to give people threeyear status versus twoyear status. We have reverted back to the initial, the original twoyear status. So people do have to renew every couple years. Well, great. Well, enjoy the rest of your day and enjoy the wonderful, the wonderful panel. Thank you. [applause] thank you so much, felicia. Right now i think we would like to turn it over to the principal investigators for the reports you all pretty much have in your hands. When this report came out, it was in the shadows of the ivory tower, it sort of highlighted a lot of the issues weve been talking about and hearing stories about for many, many years, and so im really excited for them to go over some of the principal points of the report. So id like to invite the codirector of the institute for immigration globalization and education at the university of california at los angeles as well as dr. Marcelo who is also a coprincipal investigator of the report where theyre going to go over the report for us for a couple of minutes so we can all sort of see the issues that were dealing with right now. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, c. A. P. , for organizing this event. Three features at the heart of the current u. S. Immigration are in some ways quite unique. First, we have a large, the largest number of immigrants in the world, the second largest country of immigration today is the russian federation, and we have three times more immigrants. The second fundamental feature is todays immigrants are the most diverse in the history of our country. If you take our two largest cities, if you take new york and los angeles. Children from approximately 185 plus Different Countries and territories who got up this morning got onto bikes, got into , subways, got into cars, to buses to go to school. That simply has never happened before in the history of the world. Our cities now contain entire range of the human, of the human condition. In los angeles we have something that, again, has never happened before in human history. We have roughly a dozen plus nations that now have los angeles as their second largest city. Thomas jefferson once said we all have two cities. Our own and paris. He was right. The world has two cities today their own and l. A. , los angeles and new york. Armenia, cambodia, el salvador, guatemala mexico. These are countries that now have their second largest population in los angeles. Another fundamental feature is the tolerance that weve developed over the last two generations for a very, very large number of unauthorized immigrants in our country. Were less than 5 of the worlds population, today we probably have about a quarter of all the unauthorized in the world. Of course, the current pause in the comprehensive Immigration Reform seems to be set on a kind of interminable mode. And and as we continue to deal with what felicia called a broken system, immigration remains our concern or our attention to immigration remains episodic. Now we pay attention, now we dont. And its mostly crisisdriven. Yet, of course, the story of the great mass wave of immigration of the last two generations is a story that has unfolded quietly and behind the scenes. The story of the unauthorized, use young emerging adults. , and college is really fundamentally about the working, the longterm workings of immigration in the long run. Over the last generation, weve seen the children brought to our country grow and graduate from our schools at larger, in larger and larger numbers and we have in this emerging and somewhat more recent phenomenon of large numbers of unauthorized in colleges. As our country continues its long pause on immigration, young people are a big, big part of the College Experience in our country today. We recently surveyed 909 undocumented undergraduates across 34 states that immigrated to our country from 55 Different Countries, and they attended an array of two and fouryear public and private colleges that range in selectivity. It is the largest study of its kind focusing on the experiences of emerging adults in the college setting. The students are studying hard and working hard, and they long to belong. The majority of them, 68 , are first generation to college. Not unique to this population, but nevertheless a challenge to them as they have limited guides to navigate in and through college. Their major of choice by far were the s. T. E. M. Fields, science, technology, engineering and mathematics, which accounts for 28. 5 of the reported majors. And clearly are relevant fields for the 21st century knowledgeintensive economy. They yet live in limbo. Many feel invisible, overwhelmed , and psychosocially stressed. The data in the report paint a alarming picture of what undocumented College Students are facing in our country today. There is a tremendous amount of juggling in the lives of these young folk. Our data suggests that 61. 3 of undocumented students are coming from families living on an annual Household Income of less than 30,000 a year. 72 of them were working while attending college, taxing heavily their ability to succeed academically. More than half of the students in our survey 56. 7 reported being extremely concerned about paying for their college education. Here you have some of the quotes. There are questions of concerns structured around finance housing stability. Among the students who reported stopping their studies temporarily, 73. 9 indicated Financial Difficulties the primary course for stopping out of college. 72 of those who were working reported complications from having to juggle long hours at work, difficult and stable unstable commutes and their studies. Such the youth often felt left out of much of College Campus life in their own experiences. The study also found that more than three quarters of the students reported significant worries about their own detention and deportation. More than 55 indicated that they personally know someone who has been deported including a parent in 7 of the cases, or a sibling in 3. 2 of the cases. One of the most alarming things findings in the study, the anxiety scale was the determination of the Financial Hardship and fear of deportation created a perfect, perfect psychosocial storm of stress and anxiety. Undocumented women College Students reported anxiety rates triple the norm of the general population. 37 versus 9 . That is about the clinical level. The males in the sample had anxiety rates five times higher than the norm population. 29 versus 4 being the cut rate for clinical levels of anxiety. Adding to the stress, the majority of the subjects, 67. 6 were first generation to college with neither parent having attended schools. These are the anxiety attacks. Data. Use youth in a way embodying the very critical chapter in the origins of totalitarianism talks about what happens in a democracy when subjects lose the right to have rights. Children, youth, emerging adults huge, huge numbers and the find themselves in a moment of longing to belong. On average, the emerging adults in our study arrived in the United States when they were six years of age. When felicia said this is the only country they know, this is in fact correct. The children are de facto American Children in the most fundamental identity clusters that shape our experience our , sense of who we are. They are american in all aspects. Indeed, an overwhelming 90. 4 of the respondents reported they would become u. S. Citizens if given the chance. They report a relatively high levels of Civic Engagement in ways that are not often registered by our standard mechanisms for assessing civic comportment and Civic Engagement in the social sciences. Of course, the young folks in the study face real uncertainties about their future in the United States. I am now going to turn it over to robert who will address more directly policy issues relating to Higher Education institutions serving the students. Thank you ray much. Thank you very much. [applause] robert good morning. I am going to focus on the results relevant of policy. I think a very important contribution of the study is its ability to represent the remarkable heterogeneity in the undocumented student population. So, undocumented students are black, white, latino asianamerican and pacific islander. The representing missions along the full spectrum of the socioeconomic status. They also have a range of immigration history. As marcelo mentioned originating from 55 countries of origin, speaking a wide range of variety of languages and dialects. The respondents have attended every type of post secondary institution. We have respondents from twoyear institutions, fouryear institutions, public and private institutions and again as marcelo mentioned, colleges that range inactivity. The demographic portrait of undocumented students who responded to the survey tells us to things that i think are very important. First, no college or university should assume that these issues are not relevant to their Campus Community. Second, the higher ed Community Needs to the beyond the false assumptions that often drive their understanding and treatment of this population. We focused some of our analysis on the impact of higher we focused some of our analysis on the impact of dr. Daca on Higher Education, so we were very fortunate to correct data at a point after daca has been implemented and students had it for a year, year and a half. It afforded us the opportunity to get a sense of what happens for students with and without daca. It is important to acknowledge that daca does not do anything explicitly for College Students. So we were interested in the indirect benefits, limitations and the opportunity for pushing the boundaries of what daca can do relative to access and opportunity in Higher Education. So, we found one key benefit of daca was the ability to afford undocumented College Students that they were permitted. So that Daca Recipients were more likely than nonrecipients to be working. This resulted in greater Financial Wellbeing for undocumented students. Not only did additional income help offset the cost of college, Daca Recipients reported that their jobs were more commensurate with their future career aspirations. We are also interested in daca on access to internships. Many internship providers have residency restrictions. This has been a barrier for undocumented College Students. And we found that students with daca were twice as likely to have an internship experience compared to students without daca. Over three quarters of the students with internships reported experiences provided skills that prepare them for future work. This is important considering a number of students reported that internships were actually a prerequisite for careers in their field. We also found that more than half of the students with internships received compensation and again, this is important for overcoming barriers associated with College Affordability. A large proportion of the respondents reported being commuter students. More than three quarters of the students. This may transportation and housing, particularly feeling issues when it comes to their ability to succeed academically. We found it is what daca were more likely to have drivers licenses. They have shorter commute times and they spent more time on campus. We also found daca enables students to more stable housing. If you think about that as a college student, these are very important elements to the ability of students to be able to focus on their studies. The data also revealed a greater sense of optimism for college. One indicator with a higher proportion of Daca Recipients during an advanced degree compared to the nonrecipients. However, it is important to acknowledge the negative consequences that the provisional nature of daca. On openended questions, students talked about being cautiously optimistic about their futures because they were not sure if they were ever going to fully realize some of their goals. So this is a good segue to the other side of the Success Story when it comes to daca. Namely, there are limitations to what daca could do. Barriers and challenges continue to impede access to Higher Education for undocumented students. There is a lot of discussion about College Affordability when it comes to undocumented students. This continues to be a major barrier that impacts access and success for undocumented students. The undocumented students are dealing with ambiguous policies, a lack of information and inconsistencies in how institutions determine tuition and Financial Aid. For example, while some states have established inclusive tuition policies, other states have explicit exclusionary policies. However, what this chart shows is that most states have actually unstimulated is that most states have actually unstipulated tuition policies. So this is important because the difference between outofstate and instate tuition is very large. Average outofstate tuition is about 23,000 a year and that is more than double the typical instate tuition of about 9000 a year. Regardless instate tuition policies, theres also the institutional level. One example of how this plays out is when undocumented students, they apply to a college and then they are treated as an international student, which automatically gives them tuition levels that are different than what would be experienced for instate resident. So, this presents him and him this represents a challenge for undocumented students. Where they can go to seek out information about tuition, policies and access to aid and whether or not the information is accurate. So it is not a static this information is not static. It is always evolving and changing. In addition to confusion ambiguity and a lack of information about tuition policies, theres also issues with access to aid. So we found that this is actually more of a challenge for students at twoyear institutions. They are more likely to have to pay out of pocket. However, it is important to know that undocumented students attending twoyear and fouryear institutions are not getting access to loans. So i want to talk a little bit about some implications and i am looking forward to the discussion during the panel. We think that theres opportunities to explore further how we can push the limits of what daca can do, specifically in Higher Education. For example, Government Agencies should evaluate how daca is relevant to programs that promote employment opportunities. Internships, certification and access to different forms of aid second, Higher Education associations should be frontline providers of information and resources for their constituents. This will help resolve the challenges associated with ambiguous information, a lack of consistent messaging and the need for more advocates in the field. Third, philanthropy should partner with scholarship providers and the Higher Education community to provide create more funding opportunities for cost and access to aid is one of the Biggest Barriers for College Students these days generally and the particularly challenge for undocumented students. Finally, we would like to see corporations review their recruitment and hiring practices and improve access to internships, fellowships and other career opportunities. So this is a potential space for developing private Public Partnerships where the government can work with the private sector to create better academic and career pipeline for daca students. This is critical for fields like stem where we have a shortage of talent among students of color women in low income students. So, we are looking forward to the discussion. We think that the findings point to a number of recommendations and we are really glad to have both folks interested in immigration coming together with folks who are doing work in the higher ed field have this dialogue. Thank you. [applause] thank you very much. Now i would like to invite our panel of to this stage. Take any seat you find most comfortable. I would like to welcome dr. Porterfield, the president of franklin and Marshall College. He prioritizes in enhancing academic excellence, promoting Student Success and civic outreach in helping young graduates private life after helping young graduates strive after college. He teaches literal courses dealing with education, social justice. Dr. Porterfield the dr. Porterfield the first administrator in the georgetown when i was a freshman in 2009 and so im really excited to have them back as head of the university of pennsylvania where he is doing great things. Thank you, dr. Porterfield for being here. The next person i would like to introduce is laura who was seated to my right. She is the coordinator for the dream Education Program at united we dream and united we dream is the Youth Organization in the country. War is a native of mexico city and moved to the u. S. At the age of four. She was raised in washington. Growing up laura joined her , parents at conferences and packing sheds overture is where packing sheds of torturers orchards where her family worked. And halted the Washington Dream Act Coalition and graduated as an outstanding graduate of american Cultural Studies at western washing and university and her commitment towards Educational Equity letter to pursue her masters degree at Loyola University of chicago. I also went to jesuit school. We have a lot of connections. She participated in committees to change the policies at loyola. Laura dedicates herself to education advocate and its not and is an advocate for educational and underrepresented communities. Last but not least, a current Zenen Jaimes Perez student at Columbia University and currently organizes new jersey for immigrant liberation was sure that the forefront of getting new jersey last year to pass the new jersey dream act under governor christie, republican governor. We are really looking forward to hearing their experiences and talking about the important issue. Give them a round of applause please. [applause] inc. You so much for joining us. Thank you so much for joining us. Im really excited to have you all here and talk about the experiences you are all seen at the forefront of everything. We can talk about the studies in the charts, do you ill have the experience of working with student had been students. I want to start with catalina because he said he wanted to be a Science Teacher. You are currently studying to be a Science Teacher, but you cant do that in new jersey. I was wondering if he could speak about what your experience has been trying to become a teacher. Catalia my name is catalina. I am originally from mexico. I was born in mexico when i came to the United States when i was nine. I am undocumented. I am also a daca recipient and i also went to a jesuit school. I went to Saint Peters University in new jersey and now i am a teacher at university Columbia University trying to get a masters in education so i can become a Science Teacher because i love science and because my degrees in chemistry and i love it. I want to get a lot more kids interested in talking about the s. T. E. M. Right now it is a little difficult. I am sure not just in new jersey, but other states as well because of my legal status, or lack thereof. I am undocumented and even though i yet may daca recipient, daca does not provide me a legal status or a path to a legal status. In new jersey, you have to have at least an lpr or legal permanent resident status to obtain a professional certificate. In this case, teaching. I am not able to teach in new jersey. I didnt look into new jersey to be honest, i started looking somewhere else. Now i am new york and hopefully things work out for daniel work out for me. This is an issue obviously that is not only affecting they are going to affect me, but a lot of other folks who want to essentially obtain a professional license. Thank you so much. Next, dr. Porterfield, you just became president of franklin and Marshall College, which is a Small Liberal Arts College in pennsylvania. You talked about access for undocumented students at your school. Undocumented students site costs as the number one reason for dropping out. But as frank and marshall doing to address the problem . Thank you for sharing your story. It is crucial that we listen to the voices of students and develop strategies and policies and approaches to helping them educate themselves and respond to their actual circumstances. In order to answer the question, i have to step back for a second to describe franklin and Marshall College. It is a top 40 u. S. News liberal arts college that is educated a huge number of people to move into the upper echelons of leadership in society. From the left, mary shapiro, president of the fcc, francis wolff, first lady of pennsylvania. From the right, ken mehlman who helped president bush get reelected. Ken do burstein ken duberstein, who was with ronald reagan. And the center, patty hearst was first deputy mayor and other present a bloomberg philanthropy is, which is the president of hbo. It matters that schools like Franklin Marshall college open doors of opportunity because they are springboards to leadership and to lives of influence for students. It matters that we go to the top institutions around the country were students from lowincome groups with larger underrepresented and those institutions to expand the base Financial Aid and to reach out the talent across the full american mosaic. There is a special role for those leading institutions to be sure that our doors are wide open and opportunities are present to all. Four years ago, Franklin Marshall college made the decision to double down i need based Financial Aid. We doubled our budget. We conducted outreach all around the country, looking for talent. As a result of that, we triple d the percentage of students in our student body who are eligible for pell grants. The tripling of the pell grant population led to a strengthening of the student body as a whole. Our numbers in terms of student retention, graduation rates, student grades quality of , students coming that are all hired because we invested in the need based aid. The daca eligible students are part of that talent. So our strategy is to find out where it is and not to discriminate against students who have a daca status, but to facilitate their having the opportunity to come to Franklin Marshall college and go on to lives in the mainstream and it working is working. Because the students we are finding who happen to be daca eligible are every bit as qualified to go to Franklin Marshall college and are every bit as successful. There are some higher hurdles the report documented that is for us to work on end at the same time the kids have zenen by recruiting dr. Aca students we are strengthening the school. Think you so much. Laura, you have been working with pirate organizations for many years and you just any training for them in colorado with 90 educators for colleges and universities. I was wondering if you could talk about your role in bringing this issue up to higher ed organizations and colleges and universities and also how you respond to the inability for undocumented students to act with any form of federal Financial Aid. It pal grants, federal loans those are things that undocumented students can benefit from. Laura the response of the first one as i am going through the schools and have a conversation in is hard to find is having a conversation together. So that is kind of the first hurdle and the reason its important to have a conversation in the first place together is because we are seeing education immigration is a double letter double edged sword. We see the policies introduced whether the dream act per se policy is a root canal with daca has an education required me but we are making it really hard for citizen to enroll in goal. Enroll in school. So we are going into the cycle though we are not allowing us to be able to get relief from policies in the future or even the ones now because of the education requirements. This is because of the barriers put in education. One of the big things is Financial Aid. What we are seeing is a lot of schools are starting to have conversations along what does it mean to have a scholarship at our institutions. I am actually really excited to share that, be part of loyola. The past week bearable to pass. Their students took the initiative. A lot of the conversations around immigration were led by youth and so is really excited to see that Loyola University of chicago took it upon themselves to say im willing to give half of a coffee, 2. 50 out of my tuition every year to be able to give money to an endowment for undocumented student scholarships. So it was a challenge they gave to the administration to say can you join us in this effort. We are trying to see that the students lead this. It is also an issue that we need to take forward. It was empowering for myself as a student and alumni. Thank you. You actually have a masters degree, right . You have one of the few degrees for undocumented students who was able to complete that. What has been your experience trying to get to the next step. It you asked for help or where did you get that information . Laura i myself wanted to leave Washington State just because i wanted to learn more. I pushed myself. The process to find a school was hard. Eileen towards the jesuits goals. I heard they were more friendly to undocumented students. I also heard they had more capability to help with finances rate i reserved a room in the library and i asked questions like what is your process for undocumented students. Then i asked what is your process for International Students. I kind of shows five questions that would gauge how friendly they were to the topic. I did this by myself in a room. I did not have my career counselor, admissions, it was a process by myself. It was very hard. When i heard i had to provide a visa, i knew that wasnt the school for me. I am undocumented and i dont have Bank Accounts i can share. What led me to loyola was the just went jesuit mission. The fact they didnt know how they would work with the funding with me that meant a lot to me, the fact they would make that choice. I want to loyola. It was exciting. Western did something similar. They were not able to pay me for working in admissions, but they gave me scholarships instead. There are different ways you can go around having to pay a student through internships scholarships, etc. That was beginning of the experience. To add to my experience, to be quite honest i was surprised in a not so great way. When i got on campus there was not a lot of conversations around undocumented students. I had to look on the campus website and say, who has done anything along immigration. I started meeting with those people. We started having a conversation and out of that came the ally that was mentioned in my bio. It is interesting how much loyola has changed. Catalina i would like to asked how you convinced governor christie to sign that . Catalina i dont think we convinced him. It was more like, this was an issue that the pressure had been building up and it was something he had to address or he would have to suffer the consequences. In new jersey, the youth the fight for the new jersey dream act, it may not sound like it but it happened for over an at decade. This thing went on for 10 years. I think we finally got to the point where there was more pressure coming from a lot of students parents educators that we were able to engage. Building the pressure from the ground up from the community and also governor christie was also campaigning for reelection. I think a lot of things came into play. It was a grassroots effort, all of the community, the students putting up the pressure, making this issue a lot more visible in the state and then also him running for reelection. I think it was a lot of pieces came together that a lot of us , worked for and things just happened but i think all of those had a role to play in us finally getting him to do something about it your what were pushing for wasnt only just tuition but also state Financial Aid. Because as many of us who have experienced, even when paying states wishing for a lot of us it is very difficult to make that cost. So were pushing that not only for tuition but also for Financial Aid. Both things were on the bill. Kill line vetoed the state he line vetoed the state Financial Aid portion, so only one part went through. So it was a first step, and now we are fighting for the next one. So we need to see states Financial Aid. Thank you. To pick up something laura said that was important, there are increasing number of College Universities and president s who understand that we do need to Work Together and share experiences and Learn Together so that together we can create more opportunity or daca students. Its a terrible constraint that the federal Financial Aid programs are not available for students with daca status. Thats one of the reasons why the passage of the dream act eventually hopefully will lead to the extension of those benefits. To these kids who after all we have invested in in k12. This is continuing our investment. Its not giving them something different. Its maximizing investment we have made. What was was pretty good as he is are starting to see a number of foundations stepping up and partnering with colleges and universities to provide on a temporary basis the replacement dollars for the money that would come otherwise from the federal government. For example, Donald Graham is here from dream. Org, one of the leadership foundations in the country partnering with colleges including with f. And m. To help us offset the cost of not having the pell grant or the guaranteed student loan program. A foundation in tulsa has been a leader. The Pritzker Foundation in chicago, while its not an answer, its at least a temporary relief to allow us to grow more daca students. Following up on that, i remember in 2010 when we were fighting for the dream act at the point i was at georgetown and that is when our president sort of made a statement in support of the dream act. And now as you are president of the culture right now, what do you think is the role of colleges and universities, what they play in pushing for Public Policy on this specific issue . Our first roll is to go find talent a regardless of financial background and educate and launch that talent into opportunity. In doing so we serve the one and the many and that is what Higher Education is supposed to do, advance the one and serve society. I tend to lean towards the issue of trek related to my students needs for education which is why i think the dream act is a natural for College President s who support. It has lots of bipartisan support. It just doesnt have that support at the right time all at once. I think if you did a poll of College University president s you would find enormous support for the dream act. Enormous support for extending the pell grants to our school students. Going off on that, you were in taxes texas, my home state. Texas was the first state to pass the dream act under rick perry. It was your experience in austin when you are there talking to students facing this threat coming on right now. Laura a lot of the youth on the Capitol Lobbying were students who were directly benefiting from their state dream act but you that all ready graduated so that they would be able to benefit from it. There was a lot of pushback from people on the hill basically saying our economy is bad, and a lot of the different discussions in my opinion, a lot of the Different Things that are always used against state tuition or just in general supporting undocumented youth. And what was really heart wrenching for me was there were comments like the one made on National Media about having there was a comment made too ever since about you are bringing drugs and drug cartels. So the reaction to the young woman when that kind of statement was made was very much connected to the Mental Health and internalization of what it means to be undocumented. She had to step aside for the rest of the lobby because that really hit home in terms of like offensive to her. So it was often the Energy Around just we are going to defend this policy. Also to see the reality that there are a lot of comments and things about being put through these things about having to be, not being able to be a student, having to always to defend and protect a set of actions to be able to be a student and take advantage of being a student. Youre an activist student right now, too. So how do you juggle those two things going on in your life . How do you like to make sure you push forward your academic career while still pushing like your life issue that is in your face almost every day . I mean, its really difficult because its something that if you like, and once again it goes back to like a home mental asia aspect of this, is that it is something that you cant escape. So when i was, well, i mean, yeah, finally when i understood what being undocumented meant, when i was making that distinction of going from high school to college, it was really difficult. And then withhold deferred action when it happened and i was able to qualify and applied i felt maybe those feelings were going to go away or disappear, or i dont know what expected him to do, but what if that was it was a very difficult to live a quoteunquote like a normal kind of regular life. Because even though i wasnt worried about myself anymore because now i can work, now i can at least make some little money for transportation to go to school or whatnot, but like my parents are still at able to do that. Or deferred action grads need protection from deportation but what about the family members who do not qualify for it and still have to live under the fear . So its not that i can escape it because i feel somewhat protected because still the family that surrounds me, my friends, so if you like is that something, its not a situation that at least for me i dont think i can easily escape. And so in a way it kind of feels like, like i have to do something here so it feels like theres responsibly to act. Not only for myself but for all of those people who have still not benefited from anything or who have no path whatsoever to giving any form of status. And knowing what that feels like and understanding how terrible that can sometimes be, like i think that makes me feel somewhat responsible that have to do something. But also i think it creates a lot of like feelings of anger where you, like, oh, well, whats happening to us is really unjust, and we do not have to we have to fight back because theres no other way to change things. And i guess that goes into the university sight of it because once youre you are there, its about being more than just there. What do you think, dr. Porterfield, is the role that universities and colleges should play in making sure once students are there to make sure they are not feeling anxiety not feeling anger and theyre continuing the whole process dr. Porterfield our role is to cultivate the greatness that is inside each and every student. And to be responsive in realtime. One of the ways we are doing that with daca students is that we were able to secure a grant that will allow franklin and Marshall College next year to enroll a large number of daca students who are qualified, more than qualified coming to treat them as a cohort, meaning that they will meet together with a faculty member and they will get to know me, and we will learn with them about their needs, and over the course of the first two years in college not only help them have a full College Experience but also educate ourselves and the Campus Community about what it is the students are experiencing. We hope that the cohort model will offer an example for other institutions of a way of empowering daca students of broadening the circle of support and of gaining more knowledge as the report gives us about the Actual Experience of being an undocumented or a daca students so that we can be more responsive. The other day we had a group from california on campus called college match, about 45 or 50 High School Juniors from los angeles, and Something Like five to 10 students in that group were daca students. And we talked about that openly with the kids. All the kids identified who was daca and was not. One has to assume in any High School Group that you meet with today that there are daca students in that room. One has to extend the arms widely in partnership and friendship to those students. Because the students bring so much to the table. And by assembling all the more of a critical map, we give voice to experience and that may help address some of the frustration. As a followup question, what do you say to the folks and alumni who are contributing to the university of when they push back . Have you faced any pushback . Not really because we have a talent strategy to we are recruiting talented students who earned their place Come International student, domestic students, eastwest and northsouth, immigrant born, u. S. Born, daca, legal status to all types. We have a talent strategy. The students have earned their place, point one. By having a talent strategy it has elevated the whole school. Our ranking is higher, our prestigious hire because we are recruiting smart students are making it count. So going off about you working states more like in california where you have so many resources, like the university of california which has announced the commitment to building on the daca Student Program and you are in states where theres absolutely nothing where in georgia and documents to are banned from enrolling in many of the public colleges and universities. How do you sort of deal with a decision like when youre talking to a student who is in california versus a student was in a state that might be not welcoming to them . What do you say to them . Laura in a lot of the areas, a lot of it is coaching and a lot of it is a much leadership as well. And what im seeing, its cool to be working at the national because i can communicate across states and say this is what whats working in california. At the same time, i see californias a lot to learn from arizona because it is very much an antiimmigrantstate but theyre doing Pretty Amazing things when it comes to education. We have to be creative but theyre doing it. So those are like the learning institution that we can take you california and other states. But when it comes to like the coaching, its hard to be able to say im so happy and im really glad youre on this journey and this fight with me and education locally fighting for education equity, but im also sorry to say that you cant stay there to reap those benefits because this is not where youll be able to succeed. So right now one of the youths the work at verizon is being pushed out of her state and having to go to school in mexico because thats what should be able to actual access Higher Education arizona. Its hard to see that the youth and the communities that are building their community are not able to stay in the own community and have to leave their own state. Its very much, its hard to like make those connections but being of the national we are able to say ok, we have an affiliate in new mexico, you can continue to stay active and still be a scholar activist, but obviously that is not the first choice of students. Its hard to juggle but its also very rewarding to be able to learn across states. Thank you. How do you mentor other students as to think about becoming Public Advocates in a sense coming out . When they also their families needs and their siblings needs their own uncertainties. Thats tremendously courageous act of public leadership and public citizenship. But its not easy and maybe its not for everybody. What should we learn about what the students think through when i think about using their voice the way you have . I think the number one is a dont be afraid. I always say, im undocumented. Im a scholar activist and every time i say that i am coming out, its not something that just happened once. But me being able to say that and have the courage to know that my family might be watching this today or they might get i saw your daughter on cspan, and then being undocumented is very scary. But if im the one thats taking the step to say im undocumented and afraid, why is it so hard for institutions and president s and other administered to say the same thing when they have a lot less to lose, actually not much to lose but we have a lot to fear. So its definitely the power of our story is a good thing and people need to them but i always think about what does it mean for the generation after me to be in these spaces, because i was able to share my status and is able to share my story and i was able to push back. I think its also like understanding that its a process but at least for me it took me a while to be finally open and said in a crowded room and say yeah, im undocumented. That takes a while and its a process for many people. So just, i guess for when it comes to mentoring other students, especially some who are younger than me, a lot of it is being patient and understanding that not everyone is at that level where they can just say that. But also i think the power of the stories, i think its really important to really listen. Because its not until people start owning their stories and start realizing through listening and through sharing their stories that they are dignified human beings. Zenen thank you all three so much. We want to transition to q a and i would like to invite the others to come up so we can opened it up to the panel for audience questions. I have one to start off and after what we can opened it up in the mic will come to you, is that everything we just talked about is also in the context that we are in a certain moment in Higher Education where theres a lot of trouble going on, right, where pell grants at this point with the republican budget were basically cut, were a lot of issues were students or citizens were getting these benefits are facing a trillion dollars in student debt, facing cuts to Higher Education for the benefit. And i guess my question for you all is how do you also take into account that the Higher Education, you dont have to fix the Higher Education system but you were working to fix the immigration system at the same time . So if theres any thoughts about the state of Higher Education, the state of immigration in the country, would love your some of yalls thoughts and then we can open up to the audience. I feel obligated given my role to attempt to address that. The key to the future of america is to invest in education from prek through ph. D. In a knowledgebase science and tech driven Global Economy where what you know and how you think will determine not just your opportunities but those of your community. America has no choice but to invest in education at every level, no choice. Some of the problems around cost can be addressed. But what we cant afford to not address is the aspiration of our students. We have to invest in education robustly. Thats crucial for the future of this country. I would say further for those that are in an unfortunate position not to meet Financial Aid to the indeed fortunate position not to need Financial Aid, it is crucial that others get it because we are one country. So the challenge in Higher Education is a challenge that has very few precedents looking backwards. We now have the precedent mentioned to educate the most diverse cohort of young folk in the history of our country to much higher levels of competence and skill and sensibility, than ever before, at a time when the economy is evermore integrated evermore interconnected, and where the interruption of the extraordinary levels of inequality come fundamentally through two mechanisms. This is the hypothesis in the book, capital in the 21st century. It is reimagining, restructuring global tax mechanisms, or the alternative hypothesis is the distribution of skill, the destitution of knowledge education at the higher levels in the cognitive and metacognitive range, that produces the narrowing of economic gap, whatever you have data. So as we face increasing inequality, the value of education goes beyond that was spoken about that was the central town the greeks and how aristotle imagined education. Education for freedom, education for the human spirit, right . Or the hypothesis of education for citizenship. You cant have a citizens that are autonomous, that can make that judgment to self govern without education. And, of course, the third prong is education for the 21st century labor market. A label market that is evermore complicated. So the challenge for Higher Education is really complicated. Is really extraordinary, but lets be very clear about this. The u. S. Is by far the best Higher Education system world has ever known. So if we cant take on this challenge, it cant be done. The eyes of the world are on you know, on our system and our big cities. This is the issue that everybody is facing moving forward. Berlin, 40 of the children in schools today come from nongerman immigrant origins the amsterdam rotterdam and the hague twothirds of the children come from nondutch immigrant origin homes. Stockholm, the whitest country in scandinavia, about 30 of the children in the stockholm schools come from nonswedish immigrant origin homes. We have done this in the past. This wave of immigration is not unprecedented. Its larger proportionally its smaller than what we face in the past. Connecting with the extraordinary examples that our two panelists in the way and q a body shouldnt be this is not like rewriting equations. This is very doable for a country of our history, and what we achieved in Higher Education. I would like to open it up to any questions. Thank you very much for the panel today. Our members are foreign student advisors and study abroad advisors and weve been dedicated as cover his Immigration Reform for many, many years. And many times daca students dreamers, others are advised to go to speak to foreign student advisors to get advice on how to become students when actually they have grown up in the United States. So weve been very active in trying to provide information to campuses bring people together to focus on how to provide education to individuals who would qualify for the dream act. And what im wondering is if you have models, examples, or best practices on how to bring people together on campuses, Financial Aid advisor, foreign student advisors, the administrators together to talk about this in a way that can move the discussion forward and have policies that can be implemented on campus so there are not dreamers who have to go to a foreign student advisor to get information, how to get education in their own state . Thank you. So we are very happy to help. Im not saying that at all. Were very happy to help, thank you. So what i was mentioning earlier that i was in colorado is because were actually doing an educator ally training, which each training looked very different because we did one training at a 40 institutional and one of the high school level. What were able to do is to bring all of the key people in each department within each institution to come together and advocating on how to better work with and for undocumented students. Whats so cool about the training is that its not only awareness and information and best practices but we actually have dedicate the second half of the trading to do action work plan. We can say this is the goal that we have this year, or if they wanted to find your plan would work on a five year plan. But definitely at least the one year plan to say this is how were going to change our practices. And so to give you an example for want of them, they want to focus on Student Programming. And so a lot of the students that were from the school were undocumented also attended the training, and because make these decisions with things that affected their lives, and so its an example of one but also what came out of the other thing is they treated a passport within their institution with key people from different parts of the the university of high school so this is like career counseling, admission, Financial Aid, student life, et cetera that were able for people to say how can we meet monthly, bimonthly, biweekly with her students to give lucy what are to see what are the needs our students right now and what can we accomplish within the next one year, five years. The reason why i like that particular model is that what we have observed is that in a lot of cases student clubs, but the students themselves who are mobilizing and trying to sort out this information and then sharing information with each other, right . So it places the burden on the student to kind of navigate their educational experience. That concerns me a lot. I think that institutions need to take more responsibility for their students and so i really appreciate your comments and the work you are doing. And so we need more institutional leaders to step up. I like this idea of a task force where its not just an issue for the Financial Aid office. Its not just an issue for academic counselors, you know. We have Mental Health issues. We have faculty, the stories i hear about some things that happen in the classroom, you know, we need faculty to be unaware of who the students are in their classrooms. And what the resources are that are out there. It has to be ongoing because even in a state like california thats more progressive around their policies, programs and resources, things are always evolving. So we have to always kind of learn how these issues are evolving, how are the policy of practices and procedures evolving. And we have to keep revisiting that. I think a sector, particularly concern has been Community Colleges where they tend to be more underresourced and for your than 4year institutions or more selective, private universities. And its in that sector where probably we are more likely to find undocumented students, and so we have to have a conversation about having more Community Colleges involved in this dialogue. It just came to me as i was listening to you is that our governor is a jesuit. [laughter] the International Students are a tremendous gift to the whole campus and it was quite helpful for daca students i believe to have a culture with lots of cultures, lots of cultures, lots of cultures at our colleges because were about 15 international. That provides just a much more rounded global atmosphere. We provide needbased Financial Aid to some International Students as a part of our talent strategy. It sort of spreads out so theres so much difference and so much sameness but so much difference, how many backgrounds that are altogether bashing it up and learned together and constantly recentering ourselves because were in a different conversation with someone from another starting point. That just opens up in a much broader way to students from the domestic context who are coming from a circumstance that of the students have not encountered in their own lives before. Good morning. Im from the university of maryland to i would like to bring attention to this booklet, 15 page. It says here in the chart, it says here that professors, which are 30. 1 of security guards 30. 6 were as of the students does this mean that other students are less welcoming of undocumented students and professors and security guards are in the extreme spectrum of the data are more welcoming to undocumented students . Thats fellow students in colleges and universities consider students as competitors. Thats what they appear to be unwelcoming to undocumented students, whereas professors who are in the highest spectrum of the data are 32. 1 . It means professors are very welcoming to undocumented students. Thank you. The question in the survey is about experiences of being treated unfairly or negatively due to legal status. And so we have a range of different categories students can check in their level of feeling treated fairly or unfairly. And its interesting because it depends on the institution. So we have a different findings for private institutions versus public. We had a different findings for two years versus four year. And it kind of goes back to a point about we cant just create kind of blanket rules and policies and procedures and information that cuts across the highered generally. We want to drill down what are the conditions and experiences and issues that exist in different settings, different types of institutions that are positioned at different state settings, and kind of look at that more specifically. And thats what i appreciate what united we dream is doing because theyre kind of tackling this position on the ground in a particular study. One last question. Good morning. I currently work at georgetown university. Ive been talking to laura about maybe implementing a training on campus but my question is to you, dr. Porterfield, is changing to come from the top down . Does the president need to make a decision to maybe provide services for undocumented students . Anyway, youve been mentioning about holding University Leaders accountable for the work but how do we do that . How to hold them back and but because were putting the burden on the students are there maybe a couple of it ministers to do this on the site just because a personal connection. Im really curious to see how the reaction makes change happen. I do think each institution has its own culture and ecosystem and resources, and mission. And so theres not one playbook but i think the broad interpretation is that better than single actor strategies. So involving the upper echelons of an administration, faculty, the students, other resources from outside the campus in the community, there are committees that help support our institutions, can all play a role but i think more inclusiveness is probably better. I think that there are a number of institutions, and georgetown is one of them, were people in my role are people i learned from in terms of their responsiveness. Davidson, georgetown, trinity in washington, d. C. Those are examples of president s i look up to because they have been on the leading edge of thinking about students needs. I guess i feel its a great question to you should put together a broadbased coalition that georgetown together, team up to see what youre hoping to do. Ok. So i was at st. Peters university where the president of the school actually issued a statement in favor of the new jersey dream act when we petition for that. And have to agree, i think its more like a collaborative, it has to be a broad effort. So it wasnt just him making the statement. It was also the faculty, like the professors who were interacting with students on a daytoday basis listening to the stories and once again understanding that this is a topic of conversation that was happening. And so i think with the effort of the faculty, the professors who were seeing this, were discussing this topic on a daytoday basis, and then also the president of the university knowing that this was one, like a hot issue, and also the students in the campus who were dealing with this. And so making a statement about that. So it feels like it has to come from like a lot of the moving parts, like the students in the campus, the faculty, the professors and then the president. Its about working together really to make sure that i think they have to do it together. I would add that, you know, i think where im concerned is on the level of the Higher Education field, you know, we are placing, first of all, we are placing a lot of burden on the students when i think institutions need to take more ownership of the issue. If you think about the democrats mission of Higher Education and some of our challenges associated with College Completion in america, we have to kind of think about a lot of the threats to our ability to educate the next generation of students. With that said, i think higher ed associations are very important. So associations for which president s and administrators are members, as you, you are a i think associations are very important because they can provide some guidance to the membership and the kind of get this issue on their radars and take it up as a kind of challenge for their membership to pursue. We also have an obsession called National Scholarship providers association. We spoke at that meeting last summer, and the membership faced the same. We want to do something, we need models. We need to know how we do this. We need to get a sense of who is doing it and how do we work with the board and how do we work with institutions . How do even construct an application, Scholarship Application in a way where they where we can deal with this issue . So these associations are very important, and so im glad that some of them are in the room you know, we would be glad to help provide some guidance. I agree with that because and this is coming from my experience at st. Peters. St. Peters is also a member and so they put the issue on the administrators, this would on the table. And then when the association asked the president to sign on to a letter in support of humane Immigration Reform, the president of the school was like ok, we have to make a stand and went to public come out with a statement. But yes, i agree with that completely because i have seen it, how important it is for the association to also put the topic on the radar. One last question and then we have to close off. Very quick comment. Im don gray, ceo of the country called great holdings. My wife is with, i think the largest Scholarship Program for undocumented students, are Program Director which you would room probably know. I have two things i wanted to see. One is, we are a new organization but weve raised enough money and we will be offering full scholarships to select partner universities, at least 1400 dream students. We are already over 1000 and we obviously desperately want help , from everyone in the room in spreading the message that there is an organization raising money for scholarship dreamers and help to go much higher. To the last question you asked about president ial leadership. We reached out to almost every selective private university in the United States. We are not a high dollar scholarship organization, but you have a very unusual student president of selective institution on the panel. And i think state universities are forced to confront the issue of daca students because so many are knocking on their door. This is an extraordinary leader. Thank you so much bring one last round off applause for our panelists. [applause] thank you so much. And there are more copies of the report outside. And thank you so much. 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