Politically correct term of latinos as hispanics. Id like you to dig into that and tell me why you refer to come are supposed put it this way. How dare you refer to break out of the politically correct bubble of latinos and refer to hispanics. What are the roots of that . Guest thank you for that question. I think both terms are in a way false in their own way. I think the term hispanic, for example, is the product of the bureaucracy. Bureaucrats working in the Nixon Administration in the 1970s were all of a sudden faced with this big influx of new immigrants. Because of the laws were changed in the 1960s, a lot of home were immigrants from latin america including me and my family by the way. We came here in 1974, and it was almost like they did know how to handle this multitude of people. More important than that, this is the aftermath of the Civil Rights Act which was created for africanamericans and then all of a sudden the bureaucracy and many of the leaders, the activists of these groups also want to get in on the act. And so the bureaucracy create more for miners which by the end of the 70s were africanamericans, hispanics, native americans and asians. So the term hispanic was created, it minority eyes is different immigrants. But it sets them apart from earlier immigrants, and it does so with the purpose of giving them affirmative action in government set aside. Explicitly if you go back through these documents you see that this is what it says it does. Host was visibly governments intent . Was this active within the government . Was an act of outside pressure groups that were putting pressure on the government . What you think . Guest i think both. The activists, especially mexicanamerican activists, theres a famous book written in the early 70s saying to mexicanamericans, and they wanted to make mexicanamericans into one of the minority groups. I think you have to understand that the mexicanamerican rankandfile themselves is really hard. They did not want to be seen as minorities. They didnt want host most saw themselves as white. Guest mainly due to the state if you look at how the box on the census form. By the way, these classifications doesnt have to do with reality. Host far be it from government had to do anything with reality. Guest right. Government should not be involved at all in racial classifications. Government should strive for a colorblind policy so we can have a colorblind society. The government from the beginning has been involved in classifications. Out of that comes the term hispanic. When i arrived and i was informed, host lets divert a little bit. You say you immigrated here. Emigrated from where . Guest i was born in cuba and i left cuba, you know, horrible circumstances, communism and all that. Then went to spain at the age of 12 and two years later became mayor, new york, queens, new york. Tell people host im a yankees fan and. Guest im a yankees fan. But i did go to shea stadium a lot and to tell people i was raised on the fidel castro Francisco Franco [laughter] when i was first informed by one of my uncles theres this new term being banded about hispanics and will be called hispanic. What . What is that about . On cuban. What i was becoming was american. Tennessee was of as a cubanamerican. American first. As a concerned american but also as a cubanamerican. Very proud of my heritage in the lineage. A race for the future my book, to shine a light on the list because a lot of books written about hispanics and the use that term no, does not, it doesnt do any of these things. I wrote to shine a light on this to say look, and by latinos by the way we can go on about that later but hispanics itself was a product of the bureaucracy in order to get a permanent action and other government benefits to this group and other groups. Host the term hispanic very inaccurate term because within that generalization of hispanics, ma there are so many subgroups, cubanamericans, Puerto Ricans are also caribbean, like cuba is caribbean nation, but you also have Central Americans and then you have the old his so called Hispanic Group mexicanamericans in southwest. Lets dive into that. The variations within the big umbrella of hispanics. Guesthispanics. Guest that is one of the worst things about these labels, hispanics or latina which hardly ever use is that it conceals these differences and it creates this monolithic community. Obviously, language is a very powerful bond. The fact that guatemala immigrant can a writer and can communicate in spanish, thats very important. But i can tell you a guatemalan are right here in the u. S. Would not see an argentine as a compatriot. And a guatemalan american would have much more in common with americans are not hispanic if she would lets say a venezuelan. So i think that yes of the language very powerful bond. We both agree, but host are there any other ties . Language is the most obvious i am of the various hispanic or latino subgroups, but are there any other ties to your aware of in researching your book by the way i decoupled that you. I was inspired reading thomas seoul who im sure we both admire and he wrote a book called ethnic america. I saw your book is almost like, almost an improvement in that it does go deeper into the phrase, focus on latinos or hispanics. Im fascinated by the we go into the history, and not on diversity it seems to me your premise of the book, not on diversity among the different Hispanic Groups but generationally there is a difference as well. Guest i think it is a very important point and i go on, i looked into this deeply in the a race for the future. Take mexicans americans. Its to begin with a misnomer in many ways. Some mexicanamericans never belonged to the spanish colony of mexico. The thing we have in common is we were all colonized by a bearing power, either spain or portugal. Thats a very powerful thing. The cuisines are very different. The cuisine of mexico is very different from the cuisine of cuba. Cubans and Puerto Ricans share many traits, many ethnic, cultural, culinary treats. We both like baseball but in south america they dont play baseball. They play soccer which host or football. Guest when i got to spend as a 12 year old boy, at recess i had to play soccer with with spaniards have been playing soccer since they were born. Host a bit of a disadvantage. Guest it was very humbling experience because a cuban came out with a bat in my hand. But lets take mexicans americans. We forget time the largest of the groups. Guest 66 of hispanic americans are from mexico. They really are by far the largest and most important. Their cultural and put in the southwest cannot be denied and has to be taken into account. I compared only to the influence of the scots irish in appalachia in the south where i was just in scotland for example, and you go come you listen to scottish music and recognize the music of appalachia. I was told what are my sons does this sound familiar to you . Its the same thing host hatfields and mccoys . Guest exactly. You go to texas, new mexico and to lesser extent colorado and its the same thing. Of cultural influence, accountable is nothing without his rodeo orders last of the user spanish words. Host cowboy came from guest yes. That had is, im not sure it came from mexican hats. Maybe not go there. That cowboy must be seen, many of the traits of the cowboy is his stoicism, his individualism. It can really be traced to mexican men. Mexicans have this very important imprint, especially new mexicans can trace their ancestry to the 1500s. You talk to new mexicans. I talked to one, i go to my book, a race for the future, very proud of that. He says the spanish confusing court who crossed the rio grande it in 1590. Cuban americans like me began to arrive in earnest in 1959 obviously because of the toms arrival of fidel castro and have the complete its true there was a cuban migration in the 1900s, in the 1800s, but the bulk of the cuban migration begin postcastro. We have been here since the 60s. Puerto ricans are born in a state, the state of puerto rico which is, its obviously, they cannot vote in puerto rico but they can host faceting come you talk about this in your book, duality among Puerto Ricans in the 1 cents they are not as assimilated as some of the other groups that come to the United States, but a born american citizens. Talk about that. Guest they dont expect the cultural host defined that. Guest you a ride and you are cut off from your country of origin and. Host as an africanamerican or black americans i know nothing about this guillotine. Guessed it is faceting the way many africanamericans have gone back to africa and looked for the roots. Traditionally many of european immigrants who arrived never went back to sicily. Went back to ireland than once in their life. Were cut off from home country. In fact, some immigrant communities keep traditions here that have disappeared in the home countries. Its the case with many germanamericans, have driven traditions that are disappeared in germany proper. Host was fascinating, you say that and im a big fan of brazil and i went to salvador and found there were some traditions that the african transplant to brazil have brought and kept, so much so now you have west africans going, kind of like a reverse cultural phenomenon, going to learn some other ancient cultural traditions that theyve lost. Guest is a simmer situation in cuba which is second on to brazil and france brazil is only second to cuba and having a large and important african cultural imprint husband absolutely. A lot of people dont know that. A lot of people dont make that presumption. Dive into that a little bit because the number of cuba and the integrated particularly after 1959 after the rise of castro, was this a mixture of cubans . Was it afrocubans this report shall he . Was a european cubans or white cubans, mixed cubans . Guest obviously many mixed cubans came as well. What i have heard is that has cubans came into florida, a southern state, segregated state, the whites were not segregated but a black cubans go dark cubans were and they could not stay in being segregated from the former compatriots. So many of them went up north. And us you have a very important colony of cubans in new jersey, starting in the 60s. I dont know that for a fact but ive heard that this was something that happened in florida that black cubans said im not going to be segregated. I grew up with that guy. So they moved north where there was no official segregation. So yes, the socalled hispanic unity in this country is very varied. I think the term hispanic i dont like its origins because i dont think the from and of action i dont think, im going to hammer what was said but she said that it robs hispanics of real power. I completely agree with that. The history of immigration in this country is going through broken glass to succeed. Et al. You did it. The martini means that it. The italians did it. With hispanics is the first time that the federal government intervened and said we must help you. And it happens because the time they come in to the 70s is 90 that the federal government must be into everything. Host lets go down into that more. Tell us how this new classification enabling hispanics or latinos to have access to a affirmative action and to government benefits and even see themselves different. How has that entered the traditional process of assimilation and integration directory thats what sets them apart the it draws a line between them and the immigrants and says you are different. Dont aspire to what they did. And, in fact, what we have done, and its very unfortunate weve done this to this country, is now our government under own institutions through up roadblocks to assimilation. Our schools which were the cauldron, the melting pot happened were set up by the Founding Fathers from the beginning. Jefferson was very interested in education. He set out the university of virginia. He understood that it was there that Republican Values need to be taught. Host that is small our republican. Guest of course. Republican as the republic. They were very consider the keeping it republic and they thought Republican Values would be taught at the Public School level, and they were until sometime in the middle of the 20th century schmick host the progressive era. Guest the progress is made a feint dry in 1920s, lost, but that again and decided to win in the 60s. Which have now is we no longer assembly in the Public School system. We no longer teach civic values. The civic values they teach is how to demonstrate. But host how do balkanize. Guest so host under the guise of multiculturalism. Guest that is by the way is a very worrying thing. Let me go back to what i said and they go into the in a race for the future. This battle was won in the 1910s in the 1920s, progressives wanted to have what they called the transnational america, which was a place where you would have different pockets, a federation of definitions so they called it. They lost that fight to the assimilationist. The assimilationist one. We have is result is a country comes together and is able to fight world war ii. As a country, you see these movies from world war ii that they got from brooklyn and then mexican guy from texas and an irish guy from boston, and theyre all coming together to fight in the john wayne movies. These guys host they never gave up, did they . Guest this is what you see today. Its the same ideology. Not the same people. They are did but these are the errors. Host an excellent point at a think its important that we communicate that more and more. These are of americans that were pushing this balkanization and breaking away from the small our Republican Values that sustained us as a country. These are not born guest i think one was given. Host mostly this is a homegrown movement. This is something that did not come across because of immigrants. Oftentimes it is something that is given to immigrants or forcefed to immigrants. Guest majestic thing. They see immigrants and especially hispanics as agents of change. These people who want to see hispanics as agents of change. Aye to this in my book, a race for the future. I make an argument that hispanics can and should be agents for conserving our traditional values and americas place in the world. We are seeing right now in the summer of 2014 what happens when america withdrawals from the military in the world. Hispanics, conservatives need to join the battle, join thats what the subtitle of my book, how hispanics, how come it can break the monopoly of hispanics. A liberal monopoly over hispanics. For some of reason we need to engage because hispanics a to b. Reached out. They can no longer, it cannot just be seen one message from the wisdom of the left, prescription of america as a racist place, as a place so unfair that hispanics need government intervention. We need host that does cut against usually those immigrate to the trendy because when they come to the United States theyre not coming to a miserable racist nation. The coming guest they are attractive are fundamentally two things. Liberty and our prosperity. Thats why my family came here looking for in the 1970s, and the use us as agents of change to transform this a historic experiment in selfgovernance that is produced so much liberty and so much prosperity. Its something i felt i had to fight against so i wrote a book. Conservative to reach out to hispanics and unabashed Norman Rockwell painting of america which still exist. We are a country of people teaching in together, helping each other to frank capra has a wonderful right. The only Government Official in a wonderful life was the Bank Examiner to George Bailey and he failed to at the end but its a wonderful life is about americans pitching in together, regular americans, immigrants. I think we have to go out and tell his tell us that this is america. Give them a mobility message, you know, how to repair human capital, how to repair social capital. That had to make sure the Financial Capital in the bank account. Host one of the things in your book is the breakdown, traditionally those conservatives that it had the vision that you and i both share that we need to reach out to minorities and reach out to latinos, africanamericans and the like have always had a stereotype. Its a good stereotype, which is latinos are hispanics are natural conservatives, a belief in family values, stronger families, so and so forth. To my great chagrin when i was reading your book i found that may have one time been the case among hispanics, but, unfortunately, you are following a lot of the trends that exist in the United States, particularly unfortunately among my people, black americans, what does a breakdown of the family. Guest reagan uses a hispanics are conservatives, they just dont know it yet. Hispanics do have some fundamental characteristics that are conservative. For several hispanics are very picture of the hispanics are well represented in the armed forces. Hispanics have a strong worth work ethic of the immigrant hispanic, i look at statistics, has a Labor Participation that rivals that of native born americans or higher. Hispanics believe in Strong Family and hispanics, especially mexicans americans, go to church. However, what has happened because the bulk of the demographic change has come from 1965, just as we had a social tornado tearing down norms have been in this country for decades, many immigrants have imbibed the culture that was presented to them. Host they assimilated to some of the negative social pathologies that exist. Guest the term downward a simulation, a horrifying statistic is the out of wedlock rate which is very high for hispanics as hell but its different but its high for all groups, even for cubanamerica cubanamericans. For hispanics as a whole it is 53 . Host wow. And that would not have been the case of guest no, no, no. Cubans, let me give you a statistic for cubans. I believe last year it was 48 . 10 years ago it was 29 . Then similar to the out of wedlock rate of nonhispanic whites. Illegitimacy is a problem because it spans upstream from a lot of social issues. Kids who are born and raised without a father are nine times five times as likely to drop out of school. Nine times as likely to commit crime and three times as likely to be imprisoned im quoting candidate barack obama in 2008 who said this, obama talks about this a lot. At the beginning of his first term he is stopped, he has my brothers keeper as the initiative but he didnt really talk a lot about the out of wedlock rate, which he needs to talk about. Host he is ideally placed to talk about it. Guest he is ideally placed. Something that happened in this thing in ferguson that we had recently is that when barack obama came out and gave his speech before talking being like bill cosby. Bill cosby, juan williams, a lot of very you yourself from a lot of very courageous africanamericans are speaking about this because he understands that the family is the foundation for education which is the ticket out of poverty. Its stability. Its not, this is not coming from a religious perspective. Is a pragmatic imperative, and economic imperative. And candidate barack obama had it right host but its unfortunate hes gone away from it. You think its because some Progressive Forces attacked them for and try to pull him in the other direction and send your blame the victim . I think thats the terminology. Guest this is what the used against Daniel Patrick moynihan. He wrote about this in the 60s when the out of wedlock birth rate of africanamerican journey was in the low 20s. Its now 72 , and he was bill cosby is pilloried. Barack obama needs to be more courageous a talk about this and talk about also what is happening in the hispanic i talk about in my book, a race for the future it is important. Host which group of the various subgroups among hispanics has, lets say, assimilated in the wrong way the least if you well and maintained that traditional family . Guest i would say that all groups need improvement across the board. If you look at mexicans americans in new mexico, their Family Structure i think has held pretty well hosting and these mexicans americans are the oldest of the mexicanamericans. Guest i call it our mexican Founding Fathers to they have been there since the 1600s. They have land deeds, possibly talk about their land these from the 1700s. Host so cliven bundy is not the only one who is land issues in the west. [laughter] guest exactly. So you know all of us have faced the problem that assimilation is no longer the sized by the schools, by our institutions, by the army hollywood, forget it. Hollywood does anything it can to tear down the idea by the way, assimilation does not mean abandoning. Im very proud of my cuban ancestors. Im very proud of what they did of cuban culture. You dont cease to love your mother or your grandmother when you met your wife. Hosta oftentimes its a reaffirmation. Guest exactly. Exactly. So part of the American Contract is that you have to accept american values, that you have to respect the constitution, that you divide to defend the constitution your this is come and i think moving away from this antigreat Multicultural Society creates many problems for democracy. Host and for the future of the country and all americans within the country. I want to talk to a little bit more about that as we come back after a short break. Guest great, thank you. Host we are here with mike gonzalez, a race for the future. I want to talking about that. A lot of folks have said the future of america, the demographic changes profound and were becoming a browner nation, if you will. We can is a good way of texas and the country or the way of california. And you talk about this little bit in your book, doing an analysis of latinas are hispanics in mexico versus california. Lets talk about that. Guest i completely agree. I devoted a chapter to this because i think it accurate shows californias leading jobs or californian has i believe onethird of welfare recipients in the country. Onethird of welfare expenditures. Host as their only what, less than 50 of the population . Guest yes. Texas hispanics to a lot better in a number of Statistics Data to in my book, a race for the future, and to california hispanics. In one of those particular areas what is most important is education. And that is the gap between nonhispanic whites and hispanics. Hispanics, the gap is is a lot smaller, lots more in taxes than it is in california. Telephony has the third highest in the nation. Host why is that . Is it because its a social welfare state . Isnt the culture of california versus texas . Guest you see south korea and north korea, you know, south korea is in little class country, free democracy. North korea is economies state which is terrorized. We had the laboratory extreme of east and west germany. You can say with tongue in cheek, the Laboratory Experiment of cuba and miami. We have a bit of that with texas and california. And the fact is that these policies, marxism doesnt work. Its been proven many, many times yet to be an academic or intellectual to deny reality. So i think you have that dichotomy coming up a lot of californians moving to texas and not all of texas moved to california. And i think if you look at i going to my book, why that might be, texas has an older hispanic a collision. Texas already when it joined the union in 1845, i believe around onethird is already preexisting mexican population. Host to reinforce your point, we went to war with mexico, Mexican American war, got a lot of american mexicans have fought on the u. S. Side is not the alamo. The mexicanamericans at the alamo. There are people who are mexicanamericans who fought on the texas side for the texan republic who should be celebrated and sometimes they are in texas were at you have in california is the preexisting mexican population is much tinier and they were overwhelmed by the gold rush. So theyre not as important culturally. You dont often hear people in california saying yes, my family. Pre1948. The a lot of texans, mexicanamericans say my family, i can trace it. Goes back to people who are here in the 1700s and 1800s. That gives the Mexican American population in texas a sense of stability but gives them a cultural state which is so important this is something, part of a message to consumers is that we have to understand the important cultural imprint of mexicanamericans in texas and mexico and the southwest integration of the west. And i think we need to teach this as well host these are not immigrants to the was. These are folks who made the west what it is. Guest exactly. The west is a fusion of the anglosaxon hispanic and United States and mexico. We have to teach this to hispanics in this country. Went to teach it to nonhispanics, for sure but we also to teach it to dispense because that will give them, ate give someone a state, sense of ownership and the culture, they will want to conserve the culture and traditions. What we have is, as i said before, a progressive, agents of change. We need to have hispanics as agents of conservation. Host and reinforcement of our values. Guest and say these are your values, your part owner of these because you help create them. You have a stake in conserving them for your descendents. I think its a very important thing we need to start doing to our Public Schools, institutions. We are not doing that. Were doing the opposite. Host i agree with you. Its a tragedy of the schools have become an agent of balkan decision. Progressives looking at hispanics and minorities in general, agents of change and were talking of texas versus california. Talk about the effort, the political effort if you will of turning texas solidly red right now politically blue in the future. Guest i think the political donors very investing a lot of money to a left is investing a lot of money in texas. They have a long view of things. Conservatives dont. This is a longterm thing. This is not about the Midterm Election in 2014. Its not about the president ial election in 2016. This is about whats going to happen if the next couple of decades. As the conservative american someone who wants to conserve the country, my family immigrated to, want to conservatives experiment in free people govern themselves. I want to make sure that we conserve american values. Let me say one more thing about Public Schools. And the gap that we have. It is an outrage that we are consigning hispanics and africanamericans to the schools that do not perform. We have a dual system here in this country. We have some Public Schools that function extra and well in the suburbs, but you could do a Suburban School on school like and what you see, its like tv. Host parents involved. Guest really publicprivate partnerships with helicopter parents, volunteering. If something needs to be paid for in the school doesnt have enough money, they parents chipped in. The other side where many hispanics and many africanamericans go to school, you have to go through school through a medical detector medal detector. And we do not let our people escape this. The teachers unions are dead set against School Choice which is to score for high among hispanics for every good reason. Hispanics are very worried by losing their children that schools to the games, that peer pressure. We want to make sure they will do whatever they want to put the kids in a good school where the peer pressure is going to be virtuous rather than vicious. Host thats where the School Choice movement and Charter Schools, the expose of Charter Schools is something thats extremely popular with hispanic and african guest i dont know your history. I to you, i personally, we fought hard to go to a Better School. We won that fight in miami. I would do a Better School than the one that was assigned to me in my own personal fight for School Choice. We won it. And i was better off for it. Pitbull, improper for miami talked about how his mother used to like about their interest to put them in a Better School. We should not be forced to be doing these things. Lying, breaking the law for fighting the bureaucracy noted to go to schools that are functioning. It is a travesty that we can sign so many poor kids to not performing in danger schools. Host its not just dangerous schools, nonperforming. Even when they perform well, often the type of information and perspective that they are giving is a total diversion from that i can small r republican as a tradition. Talk about the agenda thats going on in our schools. Guest you mean the host multicultural. Guest again as i said, what we want to do is transform america. They want to make sure that we have a country, a vulcanized country of different cultures, different societies. People do not immigrate here by the way to the vulcanized. They want to join the mainstream. They want to succeed. They join, coming for economic race or political reasons or both. What they want to see is told and grandchildren fit into society, thrive, do well. What is being done in their name with multiculturalism, it is again another travesty which is different from keeping kids assigned vessel but also something that we need conservatives need to make sure that we reverse this. We need to speak out when conservatives going to either party can you make sure this is reversed for the sake of our country. Host i often say to my friends and because of movement which are apprehensive about the socalled comprehensive Immigration Reform, look, if we close the border to more completely, some magical way to complete shutdown the southern end these problems existed before and its going to exist after. Guest i do not go into illegal immigration at all in my book for doctor the reason. The fight, the arguments that we have all the passions that we invest. By the way, its an important argument to be had with 11 people who are here illegally. Its a question we need to do something about our border. But we leave no room for debate. Your winner buy. If you shut the border day and do nothing about multiculturalism, we can is our country the way we know our country. Host and even the demographic changes that are taking place within the country. These changes are not taking place because of border policy. Are taking place demographically for isaac and i dont dont know if im allowed to on cspan, but these changes are taking place in the bedroom, not so much at the border just to test it is taking place in the classroom, in the bedroom, in the oval office, in congress. And we need to be active. Conservatives need to wake up. When i wrote my book, a race for the future, its because, consumers have to join the fight and make sure that we understand what is happening and reach out to hispanics with a message of mobility, upward mobility. The right policies, the right tenor, right down, conservatives very often, use the right tone, some conservatives, the right policies of whats important. How do you make hispanic americans mobile website make sure the statistics are all the right now give your board in the bottom quintile, income wise, i think of a 4 chance of making it to the top and ill. Host webmac. That cuts totally against the grain of what america guest its not so much a question of inequality. Its mobility. Has mobility become stuck . Have we stopped having rags to riches stories . The ticket out of that is education. The ticket out of that is stable families, a mom and dad at home. These are important matters that need to be discussed openly. People are afraid to discuss these issues. Host because of political correctness. Guest its good for eric holder to say we are a nation of power because he refuses to discuss race to when you discuss race or anything thats important you get pilloried uzbek these folks as the masters of political practice believe in racial dialogue that is more a monologue and an intimidating of those who want to have an exchange of ideas. Lets talk a little bit, i know you dont get into much in the book about immigration, illegal or illegal immigration bullets talk about how we can prevent, i call it the cultural suicide thats going on in europe where because o of the he social welfare states of western europe, you need new influx of people and, of course, because of the shrinking birthrate in those western europe in countries, you need immigration to support the huge social welfare state but at the same time they are not integrating and assimilating in the same way that the United States has been so successful at doing. We also could use legal immigration, but we are breaking away from assimilation. Are we in danger of going on the path of cultural civilization suicide and we western europe is . We are a country of immigrants. It is important we go back to how we estimate immigrants in the past because it worked. We not do this and we applaud this knowledge. I devote a lot of a book on how to combat to doing what we used to be good at. With regards to be europe, my wife was born in scotland. But im nonetheless what do i completely agree with you. I was just in the highlands and i was in a small town, small island and i passed the church, very pretty in the second on a passed the bill is it was a longer a church. It is now a community center. England, scotland a rapidly decreasing icing. I will get into a lot of trouble for this, and i think that we need to see what is happening to i must say that many europeans in the present government, toward a government in london is quite aware of this. I had a conversation who was until recently the center of education in the David Cameron government. Talk to him last year and he is very lucid about what needs to happen. Use it or lose it about how the fact that theyre not teaching the kids civic values. I think that the family is also under threat across the continent and also in the uk and it is, we need allies in the world and winning friends and it is to me somebody who thinks in terms of American National interest. I want us to friends and allies in the world and a look at europe and i worry for that reason but i also look at us and i worry. Host absolutely. I recall a friend of mine was going to friends and a ready warning from the french government saying theres certain parts of the region suburbs that they just cc control over. This is a big preview of our future if what a careful and if we dont go back to the way we possibly. By but i think its important we make the point again, this is a homegrown problem. This is not being imported from central and south america. This is a problem that we have here a month americans. Guest france knows how to do this. France was europes version of the melting pot in which people did become a french, half of simply grandfather of my grandmother who was born in france of spanish parents and came to cuba in the 1870s. He was seen as a frenchman. He was born in france, spoke with a french accent. France used to know how to do this. France has also common something that is happening across the west. Is beginning to understand this a conversation with an old colleague in scotland, a journalist who said that actually people are beginning to slowly in europe rediscover their roots. I do have hope for europe post but lets talk about that as we wrap up. What is the hope for winning the future, going back to your book, what suggestions do you make it made some of them but bullet point form, what is just and check for conservatives that have a vision that we both share that we have to be aggressive to go into these the commission and treat conservative values, limited government transferred the first thing we need to do is make sure that we are teaching with care. Cant used to say, in fact it might have been teddy roosevelt, they dont care how much you know until they know you care. They need to know you care and we do care. We need to talk passionately to go in and explained how nefarious liberal policies have been for the hispanic family, for hispanic advancement, mobility, how theyre being capped host i dont mean to interrupt you but would you distinguish between liberalism and progressivism, modernday progressivism . Guest progressivism, i think, by the way liberalism is a perfectly good term. In europe it means a free market person. So they took a turn, liberals are very good at taking our terms and trashing them like they took liberal in the community and that after they trashed it they said well, and this is a loser. Which goes back to 1920s. I think that that is in the way more scary because it talks about, its multiculturalism. People talk, sing to make this distinction between, for example, Daniel Patrick moynihan whom we talked about. Host considers himself a liberal. Guest he became more of a liberal than he worked as a bureaucrat in the Nixon Administration. Lets talk about the things that will help i think if one is to explain what has happened with liberal policies to hispanic communities, hispanic family, you know, we must be doing better. We should be doing better. So explain that and say this is no panacea for you. By the way it was, if your cube and, liberalism, marxism destroyed your home country. If youre a mexicanamerican, the corporatism for so many years, some decades and some sentries kept mexico poor than it needed to be because mexico has a lot of oil. So these things need to be explained. We also have to say here are the policies. We have policies that will help the families dedicate adequate families that will help the family, you dont have to have these cliff effects that a single mother faces when she looks at either a promotion or getting a job or marrying a good man whos going to be a good role model for her children. Host and ends up losing benefits and at the end of the day loses any capital. Guest the marginal tax increase is over 100 sometimes. So as a rational economic actor she may not want to do this because of the immediate loss. However, it is getting a promotion from getting that job and it is being married to a good role model that will make sure that her children are not trapped in the quintile the fines are difficult to break out in going to the top. We need to explain this and we need to do with love. Do it as i said a scribe in america, the america i believe in, the america where people pitch in together, where neighbor helps neighbor. The america, we must, sure, we need to talk about the Community Meetings in new england and the farm raising in the midwest but dont forget hispanics came your with no book knowledge of these things. So the maelstrom, the tornado that happens from the 60s on its hispanics worse because we lack book memories of this. Can cling to and go back to. So i think host host exception to the rule of posting mexicans americans in new mexico. Guest but we have so much immigration. And, in fact, many mexicanamericans are recent immigrants. The oldest hispanic immigrants and the newest hispanic immigrants. Host what a paradox. And d. C. Any sense of cultural tension between the newer mexican immigrants and the older mexican immigrants . Im traced to see if they just absorb the newer mexican immigrants, absorbed into the older communities . Guest i think so. If we can speak of tension, as i said, that father and mother immigrant the words, who comes in here, and because as old immigrants coming in and coming to a neighborhood that is not a very wealthy neighborhood and have to because of the policy that we have in place that are in effect as to send his children to that bad school. He worries about losing his children to pathology. I think, i care greatly for those immigrant parents who want to succeed. They came here to succeed. And theyre being kept from succeeding. By the way the statistics are mexicanamericans, mexican immigrants who come in here with high work ethic, their children or alert for them to learn, do well in school. They have a Strong Family. They have a high work ethic. A lot of that gets frittered away within a couple of years if not more. Host i strongly recommend of course that folks read a race for the future. Weekend break the liberal monopoly among the Hispanic Community. As we are closing up and again, your book does not focus that much on copperheads of Immigration Reform. How do you feel when you of some politicians who believe that the only way you can communicate to the Latino Committee or Hispanic Community is to promote comprehensive Immigration Reform . Guest the famous, is this a gateway issue. To be honest i havent made up my mind that it is a gateway issue. Many smart people say that it is an equal number of smart people say that it is not. I think if you look at the polls, immigrants really think about economic success. Hispanics think about education, education always speaks very, very high. Hispanics understand how important education is to success in america. They get that the immigration really only goes, fourth or fifth place in terms of their priority. The hispanic language media feeds on this and talks about it a great deal. Host to talk about this in your book, the power of univision. Guest and they run on a feedback loop. If you close the border today and do nothing about addressing the problems that i speak about, that you and ive been talking about, the country will not be better off if you do the same thing if you have confidence of Immigration Reform and to do nothing about these issues, the country will be better off. Theres a problem that we need to fix and copperheads of Immigration Reform or closing the border by itself either one of these two things are not going to fix it. This is why i developed my book to these bums out of left the debate you people want to debate it house but i would tell people to read your blog because you focus on spit hispanic americans, about the american command as hell because the problems that are confronting hispanics are confronting every group including white americans. Guest it is about america. Thats right. Africanamericans and hispanic americans are over represented in these lower income quintiles. These problems are much worse for us than our for nonhispanic whites. Host thank you so much, mike gonzalez, for your time. It was a pleasure. Guest thank you. Policymakers, legislators and others familiar with their material. After words airs every weekend on booktv at 10 p. M. On saturday, 12 and 9 p. M. On sunday and 12 a. M. On monday. You can also watch after words online. Go to booktv. Org and click on after words in the booktv series and the topics list on the upper right side of the pa page. Heres some of the latest news about the publishing industry. Author andrew Lewis Charles bowden died on august 30 at the age of 69. His writings focus on the drug wars in mexico and immigration in the southwest. He made several appearances on booktv including our threehour Author Interview program in depth which you can watch anytime online at booktv. Org. Barnes noble reported their First Quarter revenues decreased to 1. 24 billion, down 7 compared to the previous year. This month we argue cla. Professor david hayesbautista talks about the origins of Cinco De Mayo and explains why celebrated war in the u. S. Than it is in mexico. Postcoital salieri ucla professor david hayesbautista is the author of this book, el Cinco De Mayo an american tradition. What happens above well, mexico may 5, 1862. What most people know if the mexican army in the french army. Why however this celebrated so much in the United States when the United States when in fact if you go to mexico apparently celebrated at all. So