Thank everyone for coming, my name is parker van houten, fifthyear senior at the university of kentucky, i start study Performance Arts administration and im happy to be here on this blustery ca morning. So our first presenter today is an associate professor of Political Science at kentucky state university. Author of the books taboo 10 fax you cant talk about. And the 50 million question, please welcome wilfred riley. And our next speaker is the author of 11 books including thought criminal, beyond woke, google archipelago, and the simulation of freedom to name a few. Please welcome michael rectenwald. And finally these gentlemen are joined by kylie carlino, senior media strategist at Regnery Publishing who will moderatethe panel. Thank you for coming to this. Im excited about this conversation. Were going to be talking about the state of speech and Book Publishing specifically. The dystopian idea of book banning is becoming a trend among american publishers. Regnery publishing where i work as a conservative policy Company Based in washington dc and over 75 years weve gained a rsreputation for publishing books that new york publishers wont touch, one being mister rileys book taboo. Book banning is a reality we will be discussing today. It happens along officers before a book makes it to the public eye. It whappens among distributors have apologized for shipping taboo kstopic books that disagree with the mainstream sentiments and among booksellers like amazon have refused to carry books for the same reason. So will, if you could just briefly introduce yourself. Talkabout your book a little bit , why you talk about the book in taboo and why is it important to todays discussion . Taboo is a book subtitled the 10 fax you cant talk about. And what i do is look at 10 of the more prominent kind of public narratives in society and see what the facts underlying them if any happen to be. So i look at the black lives matter narrative for example which is that theres an epidemic number of africanamerican unarmed men being killed by police. I look at the broader narrative that theres a massive amount of interracial crime and conflict in the country and go across the spectrum. I look at systemic racism, are there Hidden Forces in america that make it hard for people of color to succeed and in the final chapter i look at the things the altar right says. The idea for example that diverse societies just dont work and what i find is that a lot of these narratives are, the word i usually use is bullshit although although ill avoid that in a polite audience like this one but i find theres that all factual basis for a lot of the things that mass media promotes in modern society soin terms of the black lives matter argument for example , the total number of unarmed africanamerican men that were killed by police last ou year turned out to be 17 and you can go into this data at some length. The total number of people overall shot and killed by the police last year and asin almost every year was under thousand. Of those, about 250 were black or africanamerican. The majority of peopleturned out to be attacking the police with guns, knives, in one case a cadillac escalade. So the core of this argument that were constantly confronted with is unreal. Its fictional. And there seems to be a problem not so much of people understanding this reality but with people expressing it. And that turned out to be true for most of the other things as well. Interracial crime based in the traditional sense kind of violent incidents involving either a black at all what victim or a white or black victim was about three percent of crime. Most recent year on record which is what i use in the book, there were 600,000 of these cases and there were about 20 million total crimes. Of the interracial crimes that did occur about 90 percent of them, 89 percent were actually black on white. This is not an epidemic in any direction. The person most likely to kill you in the usa is your exwife at least four males but i mean, that is a bit of an indication of whats going on. How real a lot of what you hear is s this is just true on down the line. In terms of the idea of systemic bias claim there is really what doctor Ibrahim Kennedy says if youre familiar withthat gentleman. But that any large gaps in performance between groups has to be due to some kind of subtle racism unless you want to propose that its due to genetic inferiority. In fact what i found is adjusting for basic things like age, the most common age for a black man and the usa is 27. For a white man is 58. Just on down the line. The major online right claims, diverse societies dont function were no more likely to be accurate. Large countries have been diverse since ancient rome. If you own a lot of land generally there are a lot of different kinds of people that live on it. So the point of the book i think is that many things that almost everyone seems to believe ecreally arent accurate and we believe these things because we are being told them by people. So i look at that. I examine why apparently this is a controversial thing to do and this came on top of the previous book a crime hopes which makes the point a lot of the very high profile on the racial incidents weve seen in recent years , Covington Catholic inkentucky. Jesse small it obviously mocked by Dave Chapelle as a mad frenchman. Turned out simply not to be true. Dso the topic of both these books i think which we will get into is that a lot of things that were all expected to believe are real. So the question is why were expected to believe them and there are many people that object to this sort of line of inquiry i think. So thats it for me. I am an associate professor at kentucky stateuniversity in frankfurt. A quick drive over from lexington, glad to be here. And michael, can you briefly tell us about your book for criminal and how its relevant to this discussion. Im Michael Brecht and walt and thought criminal is my 11th book. I was a professor, full professor at nyu in global liberal studies and i was basically leftist, a marxist and then the social justice excesses in the university started to alarm me. And i saw this sort of totalitarian character of what they represented and i started to speak out against it on twitter first. He and then i was interviewed by the Student Newspaper there. And two days after the interview appeared, i was pressured into, forced into a leave of absence and driven offcampus condemned by a Committee Call for diversity equity and inclusion broke and effectively my academic career was over. So since then ive been writing. I have written springtime for snowflakes which is a memoir that treats my journey through the academic left and back out and then another book called google archipelago which treats the same sort of ideology as it permeates big tech and how big tech and why big tech is a leftist authoritarian outfit. A cartel, really is what it is. And the next book was beyond where i treat all these subjects from tech dealing with the social justice ideology and all of its permutations. Then finally thought criminal is a novel. That novel treats. Its based on the premise of neuroscientist who has come up with a theory about the virus and he thinks that the is actually being perpetrated by the state and that it has a function which is to connect the neurons of the neocortex of the various subjects through this massive database of Processing System called collective mind. And theres a Vaccine Program and he believes that the vaccine is actually doing something other than what they say. In fact it turns out to be true that the vaccine serves in fact to make the virus more effective and to make it more permanent so that almost all of the thinking is ngto apply and replaces ones own thinking. Its all supplied by this body called collective mind which is this vast database process system. So hes a thought criminal because hes trying to main maintain his own individual autonomy and thinking process at the risk of being infected with the virus which will then eradicate his personality and effect. And he is amongst the group calledthe network of thought deviations. And that derives from basically i take that language from the soviet union in which basically dissidents were considered deviation is from the party line. So this is about totalitarianism and how it eradicates individual thought and attempts to replace it with partyline thinking. So you guys have published some pretty against the Mainstream Media messaging. Youve published some controversial stuff that has gotten peoples higher up in a lot of ways. Among publishers over the past year we have seen books signed and then canceled or just authors who are not signed on at all by for example simon and schuster. Mike pence was signed by simon and schuster pto publish a memoir but then canceled culture got in their two and a bunch of employees made a petition demanding they cancel his memoir because his policies were quick, racist and sexist. The ceo son Jonathan Carter which commits publishing of fraud ranging views so they ended up committing to publish that earlier in 2021 they canceled a man named josh hawley, i dont know if youve heard of him and he was canceled by simon and schuster because he objected to certifying the 20 20 president ial election so you was for the same reason political. His political stands. Thats why he was canceled by a Publishing Company so i wanted to hear from you guys , michael, have you be with publishers not wanting to publish your book because they didnt want to promote your message. I did. When i wrote springtime for snowflakes one of the things i examined was transgender ideology and im not talking about transgender here, im talking about the ideology and the cultural trend and agenda so i analyzed what was going on with transgender ideology and i decided that it had to do with postmodernism which is a school of philosophical thought so to speak if you can call it thought. That basically suggests that reality is determined by language. So that reality is really a social construct thats made by language itself and theres no there out there. Really everything is produced by the subject and its very subjectivist thing and its very, its actually nihilist in terms of its epistemology but what i was getting at here is talk about how transgender resume depends on naming in effect you are who you sayyou are so it all comes down to words. The language determines reality. So anyway, i had a publisher Saint Martins press. We were all through the whole errevision process, maybe seven times. Thats how they were. Adam bello was the editor and hes a conservative actually of a certain bill. And he tried to get the book kthrough but the transgender thing tripped it up. St. Martins press isactually an Academic Press but he had a certain inference call all opoints books. And they drifted up over the transgender issue so i had to move it to a different publisher. Which im perfectly happy about because i could say exactly what i want to say without any apologies for whatever. We are discussing the book business, do you feel your choice of any topics have gotten you in troublewith publishing . Yes. I have a great relationship with you guys but theres a reason thiscame up with regnery. In all honesty i think theres a great deal of resistance to a whole range of topics in modern academia and in modern publishing. I dont think its much of a secret for this audience but i have a background in sales. I was a sales director for marcus in chicago. And how i got my first book published was i just identified the email and phone numbers for the executives. It wasnt hardto do, theyre on the website uand i made a pitch call. Im a serious guy, im a professor at a local university. I would be interested in setting up 20 minutes talking about a book idea and everyone accepted. It was enjoyable. Great fun is a phrase that comes to mind. But a lot of them said very openly when i mentioned the premise of the book a crime, theres no way we can publish it. One of them called me kid. Le the guy was about 70. But its interesting. You dont understand how our business works. Theres no way we can get this out. Theres a book you should check out all crying wolf by a guy named Leonard Wilcox. This guy Leonard Wilcox is an extremist researcher, conservative guy in kansas. Try to publish this book for Something Like four years. He finally got a deal with one publisher. I forget the name of the business but was told just before publication when they had acover , this is something that were simply not going to be to release so that obviously exists. I openly talk to people who said you seem like a nice guy. This topic is not one were going to go with and i somehow feel that would have been a little bit of a different situation if id written a book called antiracist. So there are definitely our prejudices in every field. Feels like the us military obviously that lean right but in publishing and i think across the arts in general and academia, in the ngo sector youre going to irun into a lot of people with the political left and thats going to affect the topic. I actually avoided the transition in taboo because the book is already based around 10 or 11 major taboos. Thats something people can notice and people can react to but it has an effect. Yes. And michael, the censorship and the public in world and the media large resemble in historical precedents that you didnt research . Yeah. I mean, its very reminiscent of stalinism frankly, at the cultural revolution in china. Where in china, for example, they effectively ran on a rampage destroying the customs, habits. You can look it up on wikipedia where they will tell you lies about mostly everything. But anyway, basically they destroyed all remnants of traditional culture and routed out what they thought of as bourgeois ideas and same thing happened in thehe soviet union except they didnt have cultural revolution. It just was basically routing out all dissent and dissidents and putting them in gulags. We dont have, were having a soft cultural socialist revolution in the united states. I mean, this should not be a surprise to anyone to realize that we are undergoing fat, and as such it is permeated all of these cultural industries, the publishing houses i think were actually late in coming to this, but almost every Cultural Institution in the united states, and around thehe world, but this seems to be a hotbed or the belly of the beast in terms of where this is actually coming from. So it seems that it really resembles the soviet union. It resembles the easternes bloc. D have to create what they called sams about books and publish. Basically, they called him parallel structures. They tried to develop parallel Cultural Institutions and various types of other mechanisms by which to survive first of all to keep their sanity second of all and third of all to try to flourish creatively and otherwise so yeah it very much is to me. Were undergoing something that i think is very serious. It is not. Simply a joke wokeness isnt just funny. Although theres a funny book about it right here. Wokeness is actually a very dangerous ideological means by which to exclude and destroy people and its not its not a joke. So yeah, i think this is a very serious situation that very much resembles. The soviet union and in fact, i just read an article before this talk called the soviet is a sovietization of the united states. Which talks about all then this is from a russian dissident who who fled the soviet union he defected and he said whats happening here . Has had was was its its making its hair stand on end. And also ive heard from other people from the cold from china that came over the that came here and theyre saying the same thing this minds them of the chinese cultural revolution. So publishing is definitely one of the elements but its very widespread. No. No, i would make about my coauthors comment there. Were already seeing the development of quote unquote parallel institutions in the usa. Where youre seeing almost separate rightwing if you will and then sort of Mainstream Center left medias. I mean youre seeing alternative academic institutions. A Hillsdale College is one were just talking about but this is actually a major problem for my field of Political Science because youre creating two bases. Youre creating two americas, which is something that even george bush even barack obama fairly partisan fellows spoke out against quite recently, but the audience base for fox news. Last i looked was about 91 conservative and fox at least identifies itself as somewhat ideologically conservative, but you see the same thing in reverse the base for the New York Times the washington post. So on down the line leans 80 90 percent or more to the left. Its over 95 last i looked at any real data for msnbc. So not to just drop a bunch of figures on you guys, but we are moving toward this sort of two camps that disagree on everything but because theyre receiving different information. For example, i mentioned last line, but i mentioned the total number of in black men shot by the cops in a typical year. Its about 10, maybe 20. Um a good well done recent poll from the Skeptic Research center found that the average liberal american thinks its 10,000. This isnt me exaggerating. They asked a bunch of people identified as leftist or very liberals how many people they thought this was and it was more than 35 thought. It was about 10,000 if i recall court now 35 thought it was about a thousand. I dont want to exaggerate 15 thought it was about 10,000 and about 10 thought it was more than that. So the constant panic on one side of the aisle and the reaction to that Something Like the Covid Vaccine sometimes extremism on the right reflects entirely different bases of knowledge and thought and even information which is very problematic. Thats a good point. Yeah, i agree with connect. And just that something i agree with that. And i think there is a split theres theres two at least two americas, but i would like that though that one of them has the cultural power. They control all the cultural industries. They control for the most part all of academia other than a few schools like hillsdale and a few others. Theyre controlling most of the publishing world. Theyre controlling most of the media and you know fox notwithstanding. But even those institutions like fox is getting tremendous pressure from this left. Which is marsh trying to marshal all their forces to get people canceled. Theres been numerous campaigns to get Tucker Carlsons canceled for example, and this is just ongoing hes luckily got quite a spine. So i admire for that but this is not yeah, this is true. Theres but i would say that the in in this sense. A kind of parallel structure that just happens to be has to be almost subversive as against the dominant culture. Yeah one. Can i add one . Just going back and forth one final comment here. Also, is that the bias that you see in the media and academia . I mean again a set of numbers the media means about 93 left. Thats a famous study by pew in 2004. Thats the number of National Media journalists that are if i recall correctly leftist liberals or leftleading moderates see about the same in academia and my field of Political Science we have about 20 democrats for every republican but one result of this is that the extremists can tell normal people that they are extremists. I mean when murdoch founded fox news, he was asked bluntly who the hell do you think the audience will be for this conservative tv station . He said 51 of america. Because he just looked at demographics. He had seen that all of the preexisting media was on this one side of the fence dividing two equally sized camps, but i mean in academia, its not 50 50 it is again 95 five. So the people that are coming out of fields like gender studies are saying things that are in fact rejected. I dont want to focus on this one french topic, but that are in fact rejected by the massive majority of americans, but that are presented as utterly mainstream. This is what the experts say. We hear this a lot with everything from covid19 to policing. Are you questioning the experts are you questioning the science as an intelligent tax paying citizen one thing i would encourage you to remember is that an expert or a scientist is just another ordinary upper middleclass citizen with a degree in a specific arena like education. So it does matter if 95 of these very human people are in one of the political camps. So yeah ragnari and others fox do great work. I do agree there needs to be more buildup of this and i think youre seeing that now i think youre seeing the daily wire for example, like consum. Of conservative media, but theyre hiring people like gina carano and alice and williams adam carolla, like actual mainstream figures. So theres like dw comedy now, will that be enough . I dont know, but i think it makes it more difficult to just lie. If one media outlet in five is saying no no every major story from the other fourfifths of this block is usually wrong thats going to have a massive breaking effect. Obviously gonna swing back to the other two thirds of the panel, but we just saw this with russia gate the entire thing turned out to just be a set of lies. This is something that went on for a four years. So keep that in mind keep in mind that experts are simply humans often less educated than you are across fields. Yeah, so on that topic you guys had some really great things to say and i really like youre a phrasing of the messaging of x2 with the purpose of excluding and destroying things that we dont want that people dont want to hear this happened in this past year with the American Book Sellers Association the aba there are National Nonprofit trade organization that promotes and connects books with independent booksellers. There are distributor. And other their job is to distribute books thats their job and they mailed out one of our books a book by abigail schreier. And whats a its down. There will make you get down to get it. Its called irreversible damage, but when they mailed out this book, they got one complaint on twitter one and they sent out a an official apology saying that we have traumatized and endangered the members of the Trans Community by mailing this book out by mailing the book out. This is a serious and violent incident that goes against the abas ends and policies values and everything. We believe in and support it is inexcusable. And so i wanted to ask you guys how do you what do you think about this language thats being used. Where are they getting this language . Yeah, lets talk about that. Yeah, i can start with the word violence. Theres this term came out of academia. Its called discursive violence that is language. Use that is deemed violent again. It stems out of postmodern ideas that language of its in and of itself is a form of action that it that it has this kind of efficacy and that has this kind of power that an act itself has and this filtered into legal studies through Critical Race Theory and other types of studies. And so the idea then is that language is violent and this is a means by which people get shot up, basically basically the to the left your language is violence. Or your speech is violence and our violence of speech. Thats basically what it comes down to in other words. We can burn down buildings up and down the street and thats just free expression, but if you actually talk and say things we dont like thats violent. So this is the standard that were under so i think its pathetic on the part of this up distributor to cave to these twitter mobs, even if its one, especially if its one person one person one person even if its a a twitter mob most of them a lot of them are bots plenty of them are just these people are just phrase repeaters, basically. I say that they have this lexicon of woke ideology or woke phraseology. Its plug and play rhetoric. They have all these words they plug them in and then they spit them out and they say them all you could they may as well be Computers Computer bots are ai agents because they have every bit as per as much predictability as a computer application. Theyre so boring and theyre so theres their sameness and their words that they use like its almost identical they all sound alike. Thats theyre like agent smith in the matrix, theyre all identical and they just repeat the same things. Yeah, theres actually i mean theres actually a term for that npc the idea that if youre arguing with someone online, theyre just going to repeat set woke rhetoric without really coming up with any new arguments or any innovations. Thats often true. So i think that there are two things that actually come into play there. One of them is the redefinition of language by sort of the postmodern left and you see this go well beyond what were talking about here. I mean, so in my arena when someone like ibraham kennedy or Robin Dangelo says youre racist. They dont actually mean youre racist and the sense that you genetically dislike people of another race what they mean is Something Like you support any system in the usa that produces different outcomes for people of different races. So the argument is that the sat for example is racist because whites outscore blacks and blacks often outscore latinos, and the only reason this could occur the only way this could occur is through some kind of hidden subtle prejudice and society this of course doesnt answer the question of why asians outscore everybody. But that thats the argument the word racism has been redefined to mean any system that is seen as advantaging white people the same thing with violence like i was actually born on the south side of chicago so come from a military family. So the idea that it is violent to speak freely as opposed to to beat someone up strikes me as utterly ridiculous, but someone said this in an academic paper, and now other people can say well following the lead of bell hooks. I describe unwanted speech as a form of violence against people of color. So were dealing with this silly constant word redefinition a big problem. I think quite seriously, is that the other side has most of the english teachers so we have to reason i dont mean that as a joke. We have to speak in a bookstore we have to respond to this when someone defines opposing every system in the usa as antiracist as dr. Abram candy, in fact does because all of these systems produce slightly different outcomes for blacks and whites and asians and latinos when someone says thats antiracism you have to redefine that and say no thats neo racism or Something Like that word redefinition is an issue. So is social media, i dont want to ramble on about this but the idea that the people on social media are very representative of the country is simply false if i can ask just short show of hands how many of you have a twitter account with more than say a hundred followers. All right. We got two in the room solid solid group of taxpayers in here. I mean that thats about to go. Thats what i see when i give speeches. So the people on twitter are in general. Theyre young upper class coastal. Theyre mostly college kids. If you ever look at twitters demographics, so saying that something doesnt play on twitter saying Something Like mike pence is unpopular on twitter, which may be one of the silliest single analyzes ive ever heard whatever you might think of the former veep. Its just meaningless. So one we have to cling to real definitions of words and two dont focus too much on the artificial world social media twitter instagram, and the whole world beyond that meta second life someone down the line focus on first life go out and actually talk to people and youll see what americans think i think so the social media influence is very real. I know its real in academia. I imagine its real and publishing, but its mostly fake last line. I was on twitter the other day i actually do have about 50,000 twitter followers many wants to follow me. Um, but i logged logged on and i saw a person whos avi was a vagina keeping this polite arguing with a person whose twitter avi was a roman statue indicating that theyre probably on the right both. These people were under one of my twitter posts and i just logged out. Theres no real point in engaging in that conversation. I think the statue probably had the better points, but these arent real people. These are cartoon characters created in the metaverse. So actually focus on your fellow citizens. Thats a good idea for every business. Yes, excellent, excellent point and real quick. I wanted to make a correction on that the one person who complained that was in relation to target taking the book off their website briefly of the same book transgender book and this other time with the distributors with aba a couple of booksellers who receive the book complained. So i just want to make sure i had that clarification there was one person but that was in relation to target and target did end up putting it back up standing media here, so im not worried my conscience. All right. Well we have we have about 10 minutes left and i would like to open this up for questions from you guys for either will or michael or both of them. And we have a microphone here too if you raise your hand and i just wanted i did want to add one point about the redefinition of words before we go because this is exactly what were well talks about in 1984, and this is exactly what happens in the soviet union where language changes meaning and the this is a way of distorting reality so that people cant trust their own senses and they have no idea the total disorientation and this makes them very easy to control. Yes, just one quick sentence Political Correctness is actually you might correct me on this michael, but its a soviet term it came from Lennon Lennon embedded the term. Yeah, its soviet not chinese. But yeah, that was the only conflict in my mind. But so the idea was that something can be wrong, but you still have to say it and a classroom. Id probably repeat that something can be wrong, but everyone still has to say it because its governmentally correct. Its correct under the law and were now seeing this with i think transracialism will be the movement beyond transgenderism, but i mean the idea of dead naming on campuses the idea that you have to identify students as if they are multiethnic for example the race they identify with the gender of course is where this began they identify with and those two things in some situations are harmless, but this is going to continue going on. We now recognize the director of the cdc. Rochelle wolinsky said yesterday that wearing ordinary nonn95 masks reduces your chance of getting covid19 by 80 thats just not true, but it remains up on the cdc account. So we seem to be seeing an increasing wave of people saying things that are not fact, and i dont think this is entirely a leftwing thing. But thats whos in charge now at least in discourse, but were seeing people say things that absolutely are not true and then command you to agree with the thing that is not true at risk of for example losing your job. Yeah. Are there any questions . Yes, sir in the back of q state your name if you have affiliation or if you just book buyer here. Where you all see yourself . Where do you see us time 10 years . Turn around. So for the live stream he asked where do you see us now . Where are we going down the road . I think that frankly. This may not be popular. But you know what . This is a this is the whats the name of this talk . This panel got the state of speech safe. Speech. It may not be safe. Speech. But i think that the woke social justice business has has basically morphed into and basically made possible the covid narrative as well and the way that people are being canceled. Just like they were for incorrect political speech now theyre being canceled for incorrect science. For not following the science. Theres a slues of medical doctors and scientists. Who are totally object with the mainstream narrative of whats going on . And they i think what im seeing going on here is a kind of woke covid totalitarianism developing. And im not gonna im not gonna sugar coat this i think its very scary. Thats where ill leave it. My honest take is i think a lot of this will be regional and local. I mean one of the issues with the american elite so when we talk about wokeness, were talking about a particular thing which in academic writing i would call the discursive elite youre talking about the fact that 93 to 95 of academics and mass Media Journalists are on the far left. Thats a reality, but i think that the problem with this elite is that most of the people in the country dont really respect it at all. I mean thomas soul who all of you should read as much of as possible while were in a bookstore, but thomas sold decades ago called this the vision of the anointed right . He said theres a specific group of coastal mostly white. All that doesnt really matter now. Theyre diversifying urban lower upper class. Ivy league may be big ten or sec over educated people that run these specific sectors of the country like academia, but one of souls points was that the anointed have a limited reach of power because many of the states are full of people that view them as idiots. That come from the other large collegiate conferences or where the leaders come from the military the union sector a number of other things so i think when you talk about covid one of the things weve noticed is that powerful governors like desantis and abbott just arent doing what theyre being told to so i i think that wokeness will continue up to a breaking point in academia personally as someone who is a betting man. Im a pretty heavy investor. I see that breaking point about 25 years when this gets into the Hard Sciences and we start really to china the moment we fall behind say a third place power like the eu i think theres gonna be the same sort of revisionism. We saw when we started losing the space race to russia. Anyway, thats neither here nor there, but even in the meantime, i think in kentucky, for example, theres gonna be a significant backlash if you look at these school board moms, so on against a lot of this stuff, so i think on the east coast and where im from in chicago, itll probably almost almost unbearable for about two decades. Other places i think itll depend radically on who the people are there, and this is kind of a task service for you guys. What the people there do . Yeah, i just yeah, im just chime in on that. I agree. Theres this regionalism and that makes things different and that that gives a lot of space. For people, you know, and i must admit that i i do have a sort of im involved in the east coast. Ive been a majorly an urbanite, you know lived in new york for 11 years and then now i live in pittsburgh. So im im talking about i do i do agree that my experience is inflected by those regional variations. But the vaccine rollout is not dependent upon regions and the facts about it are not dependent upon regions and the people that are working for these companies are across all these regions the people that are going to get fired or already have been fired because they work for a company that requires them to have the vaccine if they have more than 100 employees. That is not regional. There are many things that are across the whole country and across the whole world. Not to disagree with the china is light years ahead of us in Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies. That is ai machine learning. Robotics and effectively automation and theyre light years ahead of us. These technologies combined with particular ideology, which is what i argue in google archipelago. These technologies combined with an authoritarian ideology is a is a very frightening prospect because this can be enforced by virtue of technological imposition. Yeah, i think just a Quick Response there. Yeah, i dont i think that were the truth may well be somewhere in the middle. I agree with a lot of that. I do think that in terms of some of the states like florida under desantis have actually as i understand addressed some of this like the simple rule i suppose would be Something Like in this state. You can block an ocean inspector at the door or you cannot reveal, you know, x component of your health care policy. So no one would know then or no one be able to access employees and see how many people define whatever absurd amount. It is a hundred forty thousand dollars per violation. Thats what that is. Yeah. Well, i mean they yeah they increased it under the new mandate. But so i mean, i think what youre gonna see is some of the red states taking that whole idea to court the mandate is not implement. Its not implementable for 120 days as i understand which is an odd thing considering the whole argument is that were on the edge of the precipice and were all going to die. But first were going to wait a bit over a hundred days to let you know the legal expert let legal take a look at this and so on but i do think that most of this will vary to an extraordinary degree regionally. Policy said at the state level the china thing is problematic. I mean, were not alone in the world. So i mean a couple weeks ago two things happened at once china launched the first intercontinental lowflight nonballistic missile. Its a pure smart missile that could fly around the world and we announced that the us army and the rest of the federal government now has a formal gender policy. So, i mean we announced that theyre going to be certain things we do to make female soldiers. Feel more welcome and were looking for more diversity. Were gonna have some more accommodations for pregnant soldiers if i recall it. I think thats an exaggeration. So so thats not a good thing. The reality though is i think after we lose a couple big skirmishes with the chinese even nationally americas a tough and competitive country. People are gonna start saying enough with this nonsense. We dont want an exactly divert an exactly proportional mix of Diverse People flying planes necessarily. We want the best pilots flying planes because you might have to go to war with the chinese government. So i think the pressure of reality exerts a strong downward press on fantasy. Thats why people stop becoming small children mentally or stop being small children. Mentally. I i suppose that happens to societies as well. Weve had it too good for too long, but thats about to change. A great points. Yeah, i think i talk about this in terms of death died but death by diversity, you know, hopefully we dont get to the point where bridges are falling down because some engineering professors said that rigor was a bad thing and in engineering which they did they said rigor was fallowcentric and was you know, basically recalled the of the of the male of the species so they had to get rid of rigor from education Engineering Education and if they get rid of rigor from Engineering Education, you know, youll have death by diversity or bridges will fall down your buildings of crash but like like wilford said the reality pushes back against these nonsense ideas eventually. Well, id some very quick final comments there. Um, first of all, i actually once had a feminist girlfriend tell me that buildings were phallic symbols and what this seemed to mean was that they all go up. None of them are i guess internal few of them are in caves. So i mean she would look at skylines and be quite critical of them but moving and this is i mean theyre mere feminist articles about this the follow centrism of building. How long did you date her . Um we went on three dates. You know, um at any rate, so into imminent currently in a relationship with someone else my fiancee so, you know maybe that was a fantasy because these buildings are always erect always hot. Okay, lets moving on moving on. Yeah, i mean this again you cant they cant be built around, you know a cotton core or Something Like that. So a lot of feminism is nonsense, too, but that wasnt the topic of todays speech. But anyway, i do think that we are seeing some of this already. I mean there was a bridge you can look this up. I think everything michael and i have said today is factual. Although we have im biased to the center right pretty openly but theyre actually was a specific bridge that was built by an allfemale very sexually Diverse Group of engineers. That was really hailed in the building trades, press as like the future of the field and it did fall down about a year ago. So i i there are many great female engineers, but if the primary first goal is this type of diversity how many bisexual greek women are on the team or Something Like that . I think you will see the result. But again we have to compete in consensus reality and i think a lot of people are gonna do lip to this kind of nonsense while going on competing in consensus reality. I mean, you know microsoft gave their minute long land acknowledgment yesterday, if any of you saw this we can see that our campus was the former home of the squ we can see better campus was a former home of the suquamish tribe or whatnot. And then he went on being one of the leading computer powers and world. Theyre not going to give the campus land back. Thank you both for being here. Here. This is been a greatat conversation. Thank youou all for coming. 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