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Youve got to frame this in the context of a bigger and you do that already. Which i tried to do in the book. There was a wonderful description of jim rhoades, he said he looked like a Football Player turned mortician. [laughter] that was just a a great description. Youve been a wonderful audience, i would be glad to sign books. Thank you very much for coming, i appreciate it. [applause] so the book signing is out in the rotunda, and there are refreshments out there as well. [inaudible conversations] this is booktv on cspan2, and we want to know whats on your Summer Reading list. Send us your choices. booktv is our twitter handle. You can also post it on our facebook page, facebook. Com booktv. Or you can send an email to booktv cspan. Org. Whats on your Summer Reading list . Booktv wants to know. [inaudible conversations] good evening and welcome to barnes noble. Tonight we will be hearing from gary byrne, and here to introduce him is his publicist, sarah falter. [applause] [laughter] oh, thank you. For the first time, a veteran secret Service Officer in the Clinton White house is publicly speaking out about the erratic, uncontrollable and occasionally violent behavior displayed by Hillary Clinton which he witnessed firsthand. On we half of Center Street behalf of Center Street and hachette book group, im pleased to introduce gary byrne. He served in federal Law Enforcement for nearly 30 years in the Uniformed Division of secret service and most recently as a federal air marshal. While serving as a secret Service Officer, gary protected president bill clinton and the first family in the white house. A note from the office of bill clintons chief of state included praise of byrne. Your knowledge of the oval office, the president and the presidency is enviable. Because of his dedication to the duty and bythebook mentality, he was unofficially dubbed mayor of the west wing by his colleagues. In 1995 byrne received an evaluation from his superiors praising him as a mature and dependable employee whos an exceptionally wellinformed member of the west wing detail who consistently performs in a highly efficient and conscientious manner. In march 1996, the secret service issued a letter of communication on the professionalism and the knowledge displayed by officer byrne. In july 1996 he received a letter of appreciation from the secret service for his commitment, dedication and professional performance. Because of his direct knowledge and access to the clintons, unclouding being assigned outside including being assigned outside the oval office, he was subpoenaed during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. He everied a certificate of appreciation can be received a certificate of appreciation during the nato summit in washington d. C. He served as a federal air marshal until his retirement in july 2016. He has been praised by oh, excuse me, not july. He has been praised by the acting director of the federal air Marshal Service for his distinguished career, commitment to Public Service and contributions to facilitate professional Law Enforcement environments. He spent much of his time in the white house also trying to protect the clintons from their own worst impulses. During this closelyfought president ial election when questions of character and temperament have become paramount, his best selling book will provide evidence for those who question whether Hillary Clinton has the temperament and character to serve as commander in chief. And now id like to welcome gary byrne. [applause] wow. Thank you for coming. How much did they pay you . [laughter] i greatly appreciate you coming. So im going to tell you a little bit about myself. I was actually born in, excuse me. [laughter] [inaudible] yes. I was born in ridley park, pennsylvania. And i grew up probably like most everybody else. I had two participants parents, i went to school. I was fascinated with the military. When we moved down to virginia in the early 70s, all neighbors in the Virginia Area where we lived in newport news were all military, marines, air force officers, army officers, and i was fascinated with the military. And the first day i saw my neighbor come out in his uniform, i knew i was hooked. Writing the book, the crisis of character, needless to say, extremely hard. I never thought id take these i was pretty sure that the things that i saw and witnessed that i would take, you know, with me on my death. But i decided a couple years ago that it was important that the American People know exactly how, what i witnessed when i worked in the west wing and what i saw in the secret service. And at some point i decided a couple years ago that i was going to have to tell this story. So with the help of some very good friends, i was able to do that. Im grateful for everybodys help, our publisher and my friends that have helped me and my agent, javelin and the publisher excuse me, hachette. So what brings me here today, im grateful for you guys coming and, hopefully, purchasing my book and listening to me. And the, the main thing i want you to understand about my book when you get a chance to read it is the people that do those jobs, theyre good, dedicated people. And its not easy to do quite jobs that they have to do sometimes. And what really drove me, im catching my breath here. What really drove me to write the book was, as i said before, i want the American People to know what the clintons were really like. And i want you to understand that, you know, it doesnt matter be they were democrats or republicans. If they were republicans and they behaved like that, god as my witness, i would be telling the same story. Its the truth, its my life, and obviously i had a hard time writing it. But i did. So let me go back to my life a little bit when i was younger. Lived in born in pennsylvania, lived in virginia. Joined the air force at 19. Went to Lack Land Air Force Base and then to turkey, and i lived in turkey for about a year. I loved it. My mothers side of the family is lebanese, so the food was pretty similar, which was nice. And i had a good time there. And then we did, got a we had a good mission there. We worked with the turkish military. I came back, i was stationed at Langley Air Force base down in virginia, and that was great because that was close to the area that i lived when i was growing up, in newport news, virginia. So i got to hang out with childhood friends, and that was a nice time. They were going to college, and i was in the air force. A bunch of my friends and i, we got an apartment together, and we had a good life. And then i got out of the air force, and i was looking for a job, and i got a job for a short period of time with the boeing Helicopter Company up in pennsylvania outside of philadelphia. And i was building aircraft for a couple years. And then one day my wife saw this advertisement in the paper. She said did you ever hear of the secret Service Uniform division . I said, no, i never heard of it. I heard of the secret service. When i first got out of the service, i contacted them, and they said you have to have a college degree. I said, well, thats not going to work, so i went to work at boeing. Things at boeing were slowing down, so i filled out this application for the secret Service Uniform division. It took about six months, and i finally got a phone call back. It took me two and a half years to get to the point where, you know, they did enough background check where they thought i was a reliable person. So then they started, you know, giving the tests. You have to, you know, give urine tests and a polygraph test. Polygraph test took me five of and a half hours. Yeah. [laughter] and you would think after five and a half hours they would have given up. [laughter] so i finally got through that. Next thing i knew i was down in beltsville, maryland, learning to be a Police Officer for the secret service. Went to georgia for about six weeks eight weeks and then back to maryland to finish up my training. And then the next thing you know i was at the white house. It was, it was very special. First family that i protected was of George Herbert walker bush and his family x that was really nice. It was a lot of fun. They were really nice people. In hindsight, i will tell you that they set me up for a really big shock when the next administration came in. [laughter] so without sounding too derogatory, which i guess that ships already sailed, so the bush family was great. We, one with of the most memorable things i can remember about working with them was i was a new rookie standing my post outside on the south lawn of the white house, and thats the side where the Washington Monument is. And called i look over all of a sudden i look over and here comes president bush. He has a tray in his hand full of food, and one of the stewards has another tray full of food, and i guess they were barbecuing. He walks over, and they hand me the trays, and i set them down on this little cubbyhole, and i was really confused. I didnt understand why the president and the steward were bringing me food, the houseman. The president said, you know, help yourself and then feed the rest of the guys on the south lawn, you know . I was new, and i said, well, mr. President , were not allowed to eat, you know . [laughter] and the houseman goes just follow his directions, and its fine, you know . [laughter] so i did. And i thanked him, and he walked off. I called my coworkers and said walk to the edge of your post, and ill walk over. So i took what i wanted, and i put moved the one tray over and met the guy. I go back to my post, and as soon as i picked up the sandwich to eat, my sergeant and lieutenant walked up, and theyre like youre not supposed to be eating on post. [laughter] im like, he told me too. [laughter] the president of the United States told me to eat. As he was berating me, the houseman came out with this tray of water and gave me this really nice glass of ice water. So that was any that was my kind of introduction to the white house. It was a good time. I worked with them for about a year and a half, two years. And then, you know, just after i went to work there is kind of when the campaign spun off, and then we went to started traveling around the United States with the metal detectors. Thats one of the jobs of the secret service Uniformed Division, the snipers up on the roof in the dark clothes, dont wave at them. They wont wave back. And then they also, the Uniformed Division did, like i said, metal detectors around the country. The world, really. And they also do the physical outer Perimeter Security of the white house. And i loved it. It was great. And then as the campaign went on and then eventually a new president came into town, things changed at the white house greatly. So at first, you know, you heard all these rumors of president clintons behavior in arkansas, and you tried to give it a, you know, it is what it is type of thing or, you know, who believes it. And then as time went on, it became pretty clear that, you know, they werent just rumors, it wasnt just tabloid, there were some strange things going on. Which i, you know, once you get a chance to read the book, myself and my cowriter, grant schmidt, did a pretty good job of getting it down just right. So one of the things that also compelled me to write this book is when the scandal broke and ill be very careful how i talk about these things because i see some really young people in the audience, and, you know, part of the things that i ended up having to testify were probably rrated. So well skip over some of that. But the, one of the things that compelled me to write this book is when the scandal broke, the secret service and i love the secret service, but they were, the higherups in that agency, obviously, were trying to protect themselves. And they kind of pushed forward this group of agents, young officers like myself, some junior agents. And one senior guy that was an agent that wasnt each on detail at the time frame that the starr investigation was looking to interview people and to get information for. And so, you know, in the position we were in, you cant tell the secret service no. You cant really say anything to the investigators without their permission. And it went on for months. The rules changed how we could testify almost by the week. And it was so confusing because we were all government employees, so there was no Attorney Client privilege. So the lawyers that were supposedly representing me had no bond to not tell anybody. So is after a while it kind of became clear on some of the things that we saw that one part of the Justice Department was eating dinner at the same place as the other side. And things got very confusing for us, for the officers like myself and for the agents that were involved in it. Eventually, i was subpoenaed six times, and we didnt actually fight the subpoenas, we kind of stalled them. As the secret service tried to invent this thing could the protective function privilege which would be similar to, you know, they cant compel a wife to testify against a husband type of thing. And it went all the way up to the supreme court, and it failed. So by that time were, like, in the middle of the summer. And so eventually e we had to go and testify. And by this time myself and these other officers and agents had probably given anywhere between three to ten hours of testimony on camera. And if you actually, its kind of funny that its being taped by cspan, because all that video is on cspan. And so when i heard cspan was taping this, i thought, oh, my old friend, cspan. You can actually google my name in cspan and bring up, i think, three hours of deposition. But anyway, just so you know, ive never watched the whole thing. My coworker watched it a couple times as we were writing the book. Excuse me, my cowriter. So, but it was a tough time. And when you put all these things together, the stress, you know, that happening and basically when you look at it from my perspective, everything that happened to us was caused by the same bad behavior that we saw, that we heard about in arkansas and then we saw in washington d. C. And my fear is that if mrs. Clinton becomes president , were going to see that same type of behavior. And it concerns me for the country. So thats one of things that compelled me to write the book. The other one was [laughter] and this will be tough. Excuse me just a second. Other one was that i want my kids to know i did right thing. So now if anybody has my questions, id love to answer them. Sir. Yeah. We doing a microphone . Or you can hear me from where im atsome. Actually, i dont know. Were good . Okay. Glad to meet you, mr. Byrne. Thank you. I just want to ask you if you think writing this book makes it tougher for those who are in protection because in order to do their job they have to have a certain level of trust with the we cant hear you. Can you talk louder . So his question is the fact that im writing book, is it going to make it harder for the secret service to do their job now, is that correct . Conversely, does it also make it easier knowing that future president s would have greater accountability knowing that people are out there writing books . Right. I hope that future president s do have better accountability and do behave better. Is me doing this going to make it harder on my former coworkers . It will. And the word you used, trust, is a big deal. And im a big fan of trust. But the trust goes two ways. And i realized that im defending myself with this, but trust goes two ways. I trusted when they swore president clinton in that. When it was first presented to me and i decided to do it and i worked with my cowriter, my wife knew. And when i actually first started it, i told the we had a meeting, and i said, listen, in four months im going to come back to you guys, and im going to tell you that this is over. Four months later we had about 100 pages, and by that time i had, i was had made peace with it. I saw what was coming, and i knew what i was going to be up against, but i thought it was worth doing. So does that answer your question . [inaudible] okay. Thank you. Similar to the young ladys question up front, what sort of vetting process did the book have, like this have to go through because of all the navy seal right, right. Kind of books coming out and being vetted by the pentagon. Right. Did your work have to be vetted by anyone . So i actually left part of your question out, im sorry. Im going to answer it right now. So heres the deal. Back then secret Service Employees werent asked to sign confidentiality agreements. And i will tell you, as much as i try to tell myself that i dont have a little bit of a chip on my shoulder about the whole thing that happened, my attitude was a little bit like, well, you know, this happened to me, this is what you guys, you know, the secret service and the protectee, you know, caused to other people. Im not really worried about that. So i didnt let anybody review it. I just wrote the book, and we edited it, and we went forward with it. And, which is, you know, one of reasons its in the configuration that it is today. Nobody got to say that wasnt, it couldnt be in there or not. Now, i will tell you that i was, my books about 280 pages roughly in thats roughly . Thats half of what we wrote roughly, and thats half of what happened. I left out a lot of stuff because it gives away too many, too much information about secret service procedures. And it inadvertently ends up kind of slamming some people that, you know, in hindsight, i dont want any more damage to come to them. So i, you know, i left a lot of material out and a lot of incidences out. But this is the true story as it happened x pretty much its just the story about my life. But it does mostly revolve around my time in the secret service. Does that get it pretty good in thank you so much. Thank you. So, first of all, i hope that the fact that you didnt share it with more people, it still reads well. Yeah. Yeah. We had a pretty good vetting process. I wanted to thank you for your service not only in secret service thank you. But for the american principles. Thank you. That you are, that youre sharing. Not only by writing the book, but also, you know, because americas family values are here, and i am not politically motivated either. I think Many Americans are. Those of us who are not want the best person for the job, dont get that kind of representation. So i like the fact that you are putting yourself in a very difficult position. Thank you. For a lot of reasons. Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Another question . Yes, sir. You may have covered this earlier, i came in a little late. How many years, actually, did you serve . I was 29 years with the federal government, 4 with the air force, 12 with the secret service Uniformed Division at white house. When did you start . 1991, and i transferred from the secret service Uniformed Division to the air marshals in 2003. So then you were with george bush on his trip to asia . No. Actually, its funny, in the secret service i didnt do much travel overseas. When i went to the air Marshal Service, i saw more of overseas than i could, you know, than i ever thought id want to see. My 13 years in the air marshals i flew over four million air miles. So, yeah, im exhausted. [laughter] [inaudible] yes, thats right. Thats right. Its funny you should say that. When people would wed complain about we needed a break, theyd say what dont you understand about the title air marshal . So next question. You explain what the difference is between the Uniformed Secret Service and the agents that protect president . Yeah, absolutely. Sure. I thought, i [inaudible] be two blocks from the white house, and i thought the uniform secret service were the ones who protected the property. They do. The secret service is a pretty goodsized agency, and they have the agents basically run the agency. Theyre refer to inside the government referred to inside the government as 1811s. Thats just a code for a pay scale. And then the uniform Division Officers that work with, excuse me, the secret Service Agents are also federal investigators. Their trainings a little bit different, a little bit more extensive. Now, when you go into the Uniformed Division, youre trained more like a Police Officer and then the special training you need to protect the white house. And then so the main job of secret Service Agents who are protecting the president and the first family and they have a lot of other protection details they do today. When i started in the secret service in 1991, they had six protection details. When i left in 2003, they had 28. And, you know, you would think that they would expand the numbers of agents and officers accordingly, and they dont. They, after a couple of years you kind of get the impression if they need a thousand people to do something, theyll hire 500 and work those 500, you know, into the ground just about. But i will tell you that its addictive. Once you start working there in the secret service and at the white house, as tough as it is and as many issues as i had, it was a good place to work. But the uniform division of the secret service also does the bombsniffing dogs, counter did i mention that alreadiesome okay. So thats pretty much difference. Anybody else . Have you or anybody, your publisher or anyone else on your side heard anything directly or indirectly from the clinton side about oh, yeah. Yeah. [laughter] yeah, yeah. If there were ever any fond feelings between them and me, ive pretty much sunk that ship. Yeah. I mean, they first tried to and this is kind of, the book goes into this. They basically, they kind of unleashed their clinton machine on me, so to speak. Which i knew i was was getting into, i understand that. The first thing they try to do, discredit me. Why was i subpoenaed six times . I would have loved to have had that argument while it was happening. The uniform service is an integral part of the protection of the first family, but they, you know, theyre trying to discredit me, which i understand. And then when that didnt work to well, then it was a that i made it all up. And then when they started looking into that and we started putting out my information about my history with the secret service, then they realized they couldnt really say that either. So im not really sure what its going to be tomorrow. But i do know that ive been kind of blacklisted from the regular tv channels. Nobody will we had a couple things schedulinged, and then all of a sudden they kind of weather away. So well see what happens. And its not like i, you know, ive had a lot of tv exposure in the last couple days and radio exposure, and its been great, and i appreciate all of it. But clearly, they are trying to squash my message. And my message is that this is a story about my life. Its important for everybody to hear it, and the message also is that mrs. Clinton in, you know, in my bones i tell you, in my observations, shes not the perp we want to be president. The person we want to be president. So you mean George Stephanopoulos hasnt call for an interview . [laughter] no, he has not. Thats the funny thing, George Stephanopoulos walked by me every day. I saw him every day. I was actually, you know, friends with his assistants, you know . Officers, working friends. They were all very nice people. And dont get the inpresentation that because i wrote this the impression that because i wrote this book i despise the clintons or the democrats or the administration. I dont. Theres people there that, like, i talk about leon panetta in my book. That was the guy that i wish, you know, would have run for president. There were other people there. And i dont despise George Stephanopoulos either. I thought he was a decent guy. I thought he was a very intelligent guy, i just didnt agree with, you know, his political leanings. You know, when you work for the secret service, im just talking politics now because im out and i wrote this book. But back then, you know, the American Public elected the protectee, and we protected him. I didnt want really get wrapped up in i didnt really get wrapped up in politic except for, and ill tell you one quick story. When president clinton was going to sign the assault weapons ban and i was working that night, and they emptied out the oval office, and they brought all the cameras in, equipment like this, and the staff was in there, and they were all excited, and the chief of staff walked up to me, and he said come on in, and you can watch him sign. Im like, no, im good. Thank you. He said, its all right. Sir, its not really appropriate for me to go in there, you know, i have to stand out here. No, no, itll be all right. I go its not really my cup of tea. And he goes, oh, okay. And, you know, he said, well, i understand, you know . And he didnt make a big deal out of it. He went in and signed the bill, and i stood outside and did my job. Any other questions . Or another question . Would you be willing to or would you care to be interviewed on some less prominent channels . Yeah. I mean, its all kind of up to my publicist and stuff. Everything goes through them, but, yeah. Sure, i dont have any problem with that. Heres what i told them, im not afraid to be challenged. And its a little bit different. When youre its funny, you know, like i know a lot about tv. I started two days ago. But i liked it. And the more combative it gets, like i had a radio show with don imus today, and it got a little combative, and i liked it. The crazier it got, the funnier i thought it was. So, yeah, i dont mind being asked the tough questions. And i knew that was going to be something i had to do, so im okay with that. Thank you. Yes, sir. I know that its not possible, but if bill clinton could run again for president , would you still be writing this book . Thats a good question, you know, im not really sure how i to answer that. To be honest with you, id have to say, i dont know. No, i guess. I mean, not that it wouldnt be, id be afraid, you know, the same things would happen again. And heres one of the things that kind of when you hear mrs. Clinton talk about becoming president , the first thing i heard her Say Something a couple weeks ago where she was trying to get people excited about her candidacy, and she said, you know, she would be bringing her husband back to help with the economy. And the first thing that occurred to me are what steps are you doing to take in the white house to protect the women that work there from your husband . I know that sounds crazy, but it does concern me. If you take the time to read my book and do some research on your own. Some craze i things happened. If you dont know, you know, if youre not as old as i am at the time and you dont know exactly what happened, it was bizarre. And like i said, when you if youve got my book on audio and your kids are in the car, be real careful. Yes, maam. She legally hire him, her husband, unless it dose through a process . Goes through a process . You know, im not really sure about that, but after john kennedy hired his brother as attorney general, i think there was some kind of rule change. Im not sure that its possible for her to actually hire him, but im no lawyer, and i dont want even have a job right now i dont even have a job right now, so anybody else . I havent read your book. Thats all right. Do you touch upon some of that which was just rushed upon by the wall street journal and then it disappeared and, you know, there were Different Things that hillary did that i personally have qualms with, and i felt were unamerican and usury of the position. What was that . Like with the Health Care Plan and like trying to make money with, you know, on the stock market right. Based upon because of her access to information. Right. Do you touch upon that . I dont how did you get your hands on that stuff . I dont, because i was kind of writing about what happened as far as it went with my life. And, you know, how it happened to me, how it involved the people that i work with, what i witnessed. You know, i was trying to write what happened in the first person. And what i experienced. So, i mean, ive heard all those stories, and, i mean, im not sure theres one i havent heard. And including with the latest ones. But, yeah, some of that stuff is not in there. But theres stuff in there that im sure thered be stuff in there that i talk about that not many people heard. And its not all negative. I tell some funny stories that happened while i worked there, i think are funny from a police sense of humor. So thatll be something, you know, new for you that you havent seen before. So last question. Yes, sir. This is going to be like a hi post sis. Sure. Pie tot sis. Hypothesis. What broke with lynch and clinton meeting in phoenix yeah. What is the likelihood of that being chance . So i am so grateful you asked that question. The first thing i saw when i heard that was it fell right into the, right into the cycle of what i refer to as the clinton machine. Ill give you another champ, and ill come back to what example, and ill come back to what you said. Everybody remembers last year when mrs. Clinton was trying to she started running, and she told a story about when she went to bosnia, and she got off the plane, and they ducked their heads down and ran under sniper fire. Anybody in the secret service, i mean, i dont mean because we were there, just because of what we see, we knew that was hogwash, you know . We just cracked up laughing. Because the way we just knew it didnt happen. So to go back to what you said, when i heard that president clintons plane just happened to be at the same airport and a couple spots over from the attorney generals plane at the same airport, the same thing rang true in my mind. Heres what i this is my hypothesis, what i think happened. I think he knew she was there, and he purposely went there. And i always refer to it from years ago when i was going through the investigation for the lewinsky scandal. Was, like, i referred to it as soft intimidation. And then another example of that, it happened while we were being investigated. One of my coworkers, when the investigation broke, i had actually moved from the white house out to our Training Center. And i was in my office in the Training Center one day, and my coworker, who was still working in the west wing, called me and said, man, youre lucky youre out there. I go, what do you mean . The deputy chief of the white house called him up and said, listen, i know youve given all testimony, but they want you to come down and answer two things and clarify something. So, you know, go to your post in the morning, well relieve you, you walk down to the courthouse and then, you know, come back. So he did. And when he came back in to the west wing lobby where he worked, the secretary that sits there, the receptionist said the president was looking for you. And he just kind of laughed like, oh, okay. And then a couple minutes later, bill clinton walked through the one door, oh, there you are, how you doing . And talked to him, asked him how his family was. And, you know, he called me up and said how uncomfortable it made him, he felt like he was telling him, i know where you were, i now you were testifying on me. When you take that back and listen to all the things we heard when the clintons were first running, all the rumors from arkansas that werent true, it fits right into that. I refer to it as, like, soft intimidation. So, yes, i think that was, is was not random. I think he planned it, and thats just my opinion, but i certainly, thats what it looks like to me. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Yes, sir. With all your training and your close proximity to secretary clinton, does she have a like, when shes speaking and shes asked a question, she goes into all this laughing. Is there something that youd say that you could say platte out shes just not flat out shes just not telling truth . Yeah. President clinton always bit his lip. No. No, not that i can tell you that, like, i ever saw, like i can tell you she has a body language that tells me shes lying. Ill be honest with you, anytime she ever said anything, i took question with it. So, and thats just from experience. And, you know, when it comes dont get me wrong. There were times when, before, you know, the wheels kind of fell off and she seemed to become more hostile towards the people that worked there, you know, we had short conversations or hello, how are you, that kind of thing, and things were fine. But as time went on and she seemed to, when the things she was trying to do like health care, they failed, he got more angry. And i saw it seemed like to me when she got angry in private, like, she would stop she would almost grimace. Shed stop talking. In public, you know, shes very good at not ever trying to look angry. Im not sure she pulls it off, but thats me. I see some things some people wont because im just used to seeing them so much, and, you know, not in front of the tv camera. Yes, maam. Do you have any insight into the suicide of vince foster . So i saw mr. Foster a couple times when he worked there. The first i want to, i hit this in the book and i say this flat out, i never saw anybody that didnt want to be somewhere more than he didnt want to be there. Like, he looked so unhappy there. I dont have any inside information. I will tell you it was sad, and it was very odd. And, again, just like normal clinton behavior. And i talk a little bit about in the book. As soon as we, the fbi was notified by the park police that vince was found dead, they notified the secret service and asked the secret service to post a uniform Division Officer in the west wing in his office. And so we did. And the officer that he posted there is officer hank oneill. And im saying his name because its Public Knowledge now because not because i just blurted it out, but because hank oneill was subpoenaed during the investigation of fosters suicide. And he was outside the office. Staff members of mrs. Clintons tried to come in and take files out and clean out his office. And hank tried to repel them, but basically he just ended up taking down information on what they took, and it was very odd. And it ends up being, you know, its bad enough this man ends up taking his life, and it ends up being another huge investigation and scandal. And at this point, you know, a lot of people that worked there certainly maybe came to the conclusion you couldnt make this up, you couldnt write it. Its just, as sad as it was when some of these scandals happened, it was almost comal because you could comical because you could almost see what was going to happen by their previous behavior. So yes, sir. Do you believe theres any shred of possibility that hillary would be indicted . Not after the other day, i dont think there is. Oh, god, i was kind of joking. [laughter] i do because, listen, obviously im concerned about the way our government functions right now. You know, again, you can fold that into the reasons, one of the reasons i was compelled to write book. But i will write the book. But i will tell you that i think the fbis, you know, straight up, and i think theyll do the right thing. Whether or not the attorney general will act on those, yeah, i couldnt tell you. I mean, im skeptical. Well see what happens. Hope for the best, right . Anybody . Yes, sir. Do you expect more former secret Service Employees to come out after you . No, i dont. I think after the beating im taking, im going to take and the criticism, i dont think you will see it. And i will tell you that a lot of the people that i used to work with, i was not a big social media fan before. About four months ago as we were getting close to releasing book and finishing it up and everything, i started getting involved in social media. Of course, i had my kids help me. And so when i got on facebook, all of a sudden i found one person that i knew from when i used to work at the white house, and all of a sudden there was 50. Ive got some very positive feedback. Which im very grateful for. Excuse me. So, you know, not everybodys on the lynch gary bandwagon, so thats good. Yes, maam. Do you really think that bill clinton and Loretta Lynch talked about grandchildren only . No, no well, yeah, i do. I do. But i think his whole purpose will is that soft intimidation. I mean, to me in some ways hes more powerful now than when he was president. He sits on a huge chunk of money. He was former president of the United States. And he knows a lot of people. He does a lot of favors for people. People do a lot of favors for him. I think he can find out anything he wants. I think he knew her plane this is just the way i see it, you know, this is my hypothesis. I cant prove any of it, but its certainly worth discussing. [inaudible] yeah. Yeah, i would say it is, absolutely. I mean, think about this. If i was during the investigation of the lewinsky thing, if they had caught me or one of my coworkers discussing what was going on with somebody they hadnt approved, i mean, you know, who knows . You know . Yeah, it dell conflict of interest . Definitely, conflict of interest . I think thats putting it lightly. Yeah. Anybody . What questions did your children have . [inaudible] [laughter] yeah. So my kids, first thing my son said was, you know, when i was explaining to him, you know, and im trying to be delicate about these things, and he says, dad, did you do something wrong . I go, no, not really. Youre missing the point, you know . They didnt really ask any questions. I think they were a little intimidated about the whole thing. You know, because they read all the tough, you know, and my wife and i told them stories about how myself and the other people involved were, you know, were threatened with arrest and that kind of thing. They didnt ask too many questions. This is one thing that i did, and this kind of puts everything together. So when youre talking to your kids about something that happened to you at work and youre a Police Officer and then you have to tell them not to google it because youre afraid it might go to a porn site, i mean, thats a significant thing. I told my kids you are at school and you want to know what happens with us, dont go on the web. Ask your mother and father, well do it because we want to make sure you dont actually go to a site, and that can actually happen. Apparently. Yes, maam. What do you think aboutive shooters [inaudible] i think its a very real problem. I talk about it a little bit in my book, towards the end of my book, i talk about im afraid that its coming our way. You can certainly see whats happened over the last ten years and certainly over the last eight years. And, again, this is garys personal observations. I feel like in some ways our government is almost sympathetic to some of these terrorist groups or at least they dont seem to go after them or theyre giving them its almost like theyre trying to give them time to gain ground. I think that people need to understand that there is no negotiating with this mentality. There absolutely is not. And, you know, listen, im not a former navy seal, im not a green beret, im a simple Police Officer. But i have been trained in antiterrorism my whole life. It started back in the air force when we thought terrorism was just driving a car into a building. Now its just, its escalated in ways that its hard for some people to imagine. I think its a real problem, and i think, you know, as individuals we need to sometimes take precautions to protect ourselves. Yes, maam. What repercussions to you expect to be taken against you . Im Still Standing here now. Ive made it this long, im feeling pretty good about that. Yeah, i do [inaudible] i hope not. Heres the difference. I shouldnt say the difference, heres my theory. So, yes, what im saying, you know, my life story, my true life story is damaging to them. But i think at this point if i so much as broke a toe, you know, they would get blamed for it. So i hope that theyre just going to weather the storm and everybodys life will go on. But i, i think its worth the risk. I want my story told, and i want people to know what the truth is. Thank you. [applause] well be signing books now. We will be going row by row from right to left. [inaudible conversations] now on booktv, a literary tour of provo, utah, with the help of our local cable partner, comcast. Next, we speak with susan rue whose book talks about the rise of Family Vacations after world war ii. Family vacation is an american invention. The way we do it here in america is to take a road trip. And while many families, especially welltodo families got in their cars in the 1920s and 1930s and many people tooking railroad vacations in the 19th century, its really not until after world war ii that the american road trip or American Family vacation as we know it is invented. The Family Vacation was brought about by an unusual confluence of circumstances. A lot of things happened as a result of having fought world war ii. After world war ii, the vets came home x they wanted to take their families to see america. So many of them made the pill grahammage to pilgrimage to the parks, seeing democracy on road. And another impetus for the family road trip was the vets, again, coming home, and there was a very young marriage age. And it started what we know today as the baby boom. And so the baby boom, families were larger, families were being formed at a rapid rate x cheapest way to go on a vacation is to put everybody in the car. So that sets out from from a social aspect the idea of the Family Vacation. The government had a part in the Family Vacation by making roads for families to travel on. And in 1956 the interstate federal highway act was signed which provided for highways to be built all across america. And it was really a Civil Defense measure. But it did benefit people in the fact that there were all these Funds Available to the states to build roads. And not just any road. This is the kind of road where you dont have to stop. So these were roads that could go across states without turnpike fees. And so people could travel pretty far in a day because of these interstate highways. I think vets wanted to come home and see the america that they had fought for in the war and that their buddies had lost their lives for, this big, massive effort of world war ii ended, and people came home, and they wanted to see what was america. If you lived in the east, you might want to go west. You wanted to see what kind of a place this was that you had fought for. And initially after the war, it was difficult to get cars. Cars, production of cars had been slowed down during the war because all the materials went to defense. But after the war, by 1946 they are producing new models of cars, and detroit began producing new models of cars ever year. And so the production of cars is a vital part of the American Family vacation. And in creating this consumer economy where you had to have a car. Its before the days of two cars in the garage. You had to have a car. So car ownership just rose dramatically, allowing people to go on vacation in their cars. You can roof et quickly, comfortably and with utmost economy. Travel this year the roads to romance, to places you have always wanted to go. And when you travel, go in one of quality motor cars your neighborhood chevrolet dealer has to offer. It will be your magic carpet that will carry you to the land of your hearts desire. National parks, as they opened in 1946, were completely overwhelmed with all of the visitors. People in yellowstone would strive to the park and not find a drive to the park and not find a place to stay. So the National Parks became extremely crowded. And they came up with a program, and in 956 they expanded all the parks. Mission 66, 56, and they began to, you know, it was mission 66 to be completed in mission 66, so they tried to accommodate more people. But i argue that by taking their children to the parks, many children who grew up in cities, parents are trying to instill in them some kind of an appreciation for nature. Because the National Parks were wild. And they were wild, and they were dangerous places for children. Many children were hurt at National Parks. Children were bitten by bells and, you know, fell by bears and fell into rivers, and some people even died. National parks were a way to to take the children back to just raw nature. And i think a lot of those children were the ones who in the 1970s began these environmental movements and took back the parks, you know . If you think of yosemite and the protests in yosemite, these were a way for people to learn about the country but also to learn about their idea of nature. Now, i think it also for many children and families, it created by going to washington, d. C. And these american places, it created a sense of citizenship that i am a citizen of this great country. And at the same time, people who did not have the full rights of citizenship, this created in them a frustration and a desire to change. And i argue that this strength of the Civil Rights Movement, the roots of it come from many of these families who, africanamerican families many of whom had migrated to the north, to detroit, to chicago. They got on the road, wanted to see their relatives, and they were turned away from restaurants. They were directed to substandard restrooms in gas stations. They couldnt eat at restaurants. Even the place like Howard Johnsons wouldnt serve them. Even in maryland, just really close by the capital. And so for these people it wasnt so much a victory lap as it was a way for them to see that things needed to change, that they had given their time to serve in this country, or but they couldnt be served in a cafeteria . Something was wrong here. There were entrepreneurs in the black community, in the africanamerican communities all over the country but especially in the south where segregation was legal who would create businesses. And they would create roadside homes, places to stay, motels as motels or were invented. And a very enterprising man named victor green in new york city, he was a mail care c and he contacted other mail carriers and compiled a listing of places where africanamerican families could stay and where they would know that they would be welcomed. And this led to various other guides. This guide was called the green book. It was published from 1936 until the mid 1960s. And these guides would help direct africanamerican businessmen and africanamerican families to places where they would not be humiliated in front of their children. Because it was a humiliating experience for them. So i found this story in the civil rights hearings, and i also found a version of this story in the trade journal for owners of motels, and basically the trade journal was saying the Civil Rights Movement is something that you need to take notice of. And you need to deal with it with your customers because for years, for instance, if a rich family, white family had been on the road with servants, they would have to stay in other accommodations. They would not put them up. And this is true, you know, until the early 1960s in las vegas. So this is a man named ralph simms, and ralph simms owned an appliance store, and his appliance business was worth, you know, half a million dollars. And he and his family traveled to st. Petersburg, florida. This was in the early 60s. And when simms asked the price of a room, the motel owner quoted the outrageous price of 50,000. Simms, ralph simms, said he would pay double the rate that the proprietor charged other because, and he said, ive got two kids out there. They havent had a good meal all day. Were all exhausted, and we cant find any place to sleep. The Motel Manager refused. That night simms family, who were negroes, the word at the time, tried to doze curled up inside their parked car, counting the minutes until sunrise when they would begin hunting a colored restaurant for business. So you can see in this story that they wanted, they were wealthy enough, they wanted to eat where they wanted to eat. They didnt want to just eat at a restaurant for colored people. And so they had enough money to go anywhere. But they werent being allowed to exercise their rights of citizenship. And this story of ralph simms and his family was read into the congressional record by senator javits in the civil rights bill, and roy wilkens, you know, secretary of the naacp, got up and said imagine yourself, he said to the senators, imagine yourself right now in july in this country getting the Station Wagon packed and going on a vacation with your family. Imagine being turned away. Imagine not being able to get a place to eat or a place to stay. And he used that image of the family of ralph simms to convince this committee that something had to change. That public accommodations had to be open to all citizens in america. As i was thinking about Family Vacations and Getting Started on this book, i wanted to tell the story of the real Family Vacation, the history of the Family Vacation. Not the Family Vacation as Television Shows showed it, on ozzy and harriet or leave it to beaver. Because those arent real depictions of reality. And i had spent 15 years living on the south side of chicago. I raised my cr

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