The chairman of the alinsky center. So we will start with the resolution, let me pull up here. Resolve, the famous Community Organizers was revolutionary neo marxist and many of americas problems can be traceed mentored to obama, hillary and the socalled wing of the Democratic Party and we will start with Dinesh Dsouza ten minutes for that resolution. [applause] thank you very much. Always fun to be back at freedom fest. Today i have my work cut out for me, its awkward topic for me to be debating because we are debating the alinsky legacy and right here on the podium is the son of alinsky and also the head of the alinsky foundation, i feel like im debating the legacy of don and hire is michael on the stage as well as the chief of the family. Its a little bit awkward. I will have to try to get over that one. The first glance it would seem a very difficult debate two people that who are intimately familiar with the alinsky. What could possibly know about alinsky than lets say his own son wouldnt know. If we look at the god father itself, you realize that very powerful people can have one public life and completely different private life. The dawn, for example, was himself a family man, very devote today his life, very straight laced in matters of sex, very devoted to his children and so here my point is that being the son does give you a certain privilege position, but you also not going to see the man as he relates to the world. Youre going see the man as he relates to you and its quite possible that alinsky was a lovely family man, devoted father while at the same time in public life being a gangster and a crook. Now, my case on alinsky really relies on three links and a chain and you have to break one or more of those links. The first link in the chain is simply to say that calm and experience tells us that the Democratic Party today is completely different from the Democratic Party of say 50 years ago. In other words, the Democratic Party today is not the party of lets say, harry truman or John F Kennedy or even jimmy carter. The Democratic Party today is the party of obama and hillary to a lesser degree the party of Bernie Sanders and elizabeth warren. Its a different kind of party and some thing or some one made it that way. Now, thats the first link in the chain. The second link is simply to say what are the distinguishing features of this new Democratic Party. The old Democratic Party seemed to be a Patriotic Party generally committed to the same goals of most of us in this room but the difference was over the means, what to do with american prosperity, for example, how to share it, or, yes, america should be strong in the world but is it better for america to be more or less interventionists. These were debates about means but agreeing on the end. The new Democratic Party i would say is characterized by three new features, first, it kind of rather systematic deployment of lawlessness in Public Policy and so, for example, the immigration laws say one thing but obama does another thing. The defense of marriage acts says one thing but he does another thing. Obama in a sense literally sees himself above the law, the law is the tool. The second feature is that willingness to use the power of the state against your opponents. In other words, we live at a time where even the post office, bureau of land management, all the places of swat teams and for the first time the Democratic Party uses the power of the government, of the irs, epa to not only enforce its will but to opponents in submission. You get on the wrong side of these guys, they think nothing of sending the tax audit people after you. This is the new Democratic Party and the third feature is enriching yourself by shaking down private corporations and the government. Obama and hillary are both sort of global specialists at this, they figure out how to use leverage to public power to in a sense rent or sell Public Policy and they also figure out how to enrich themselves enormously in the process. Obama was a Community Organizer but you wont find them around any poor people these days. Hes with the billionaire, hill and hillary came to washington dc and despite having government jobs all their career they have a net worth of 300 million. Even sew alinsky died interestingly and telling enough in caramel by the sea. A Community Organizers who lives by the beach and you may say dies to the sound of the waves. Now, this is the new Democratic Party. How did it get that that way . I think through influence of one man, alinsky and the influence he exercised independently over obama and over hillary. So another key link in my chain is that hillary and obama were both at a formative life change. Alinsky died in 1972 but obama kept going back to chicago, why . To study under the alinsky instructor and so im suggesting that he learned his scamming techniques from the alinsky way. Hillary, met alinsky in high school, had a close relationship with alinsky brought him to college where she was a student and offered a job by alinsky and so both obama and hillary, i think, at a key time of life envibe the alinsky koolaid. I want to talk a little bit about the alinsky koolaid to see if its recognize being recognizebly. Theres the dedication to lucifer in one of the opening pages and that tells you what you need to know, that book tells you relatively little about alinsky. First of all, the dedication itself is highly problematic. Alinsky was atheist probably like many of you in the room and he didnt believe in god and nationally didnt believer in lucifer, why does a guy dedicate a book to do guy he doesnt believe . Clearly this is not about alinsky saying he wants to be the devil, something going on. You can be fairly safe that the alinsky book wont be the full and true window into alinsky, you have to look some place else. Normally, we would have no place to look but happily towards the end of his life alinsky gave a series of interviews, 1972 and concluding in the year he died, one was to Playboy Magazine a detailed interview and another one to harpers magazine, i believe. In any case, in the interviews alinsky said stuff that had never appeared in public or print before and they gave you a real window into alinsky, the first thing he says from a very young age i tried to figure out how i could get stuff for free. He describes the great relish of scam that he developed at the university of chicago for eating and dining halls without paying. And a normal guy would be i pulled off a scam, im very clever guy. Alinsky and we see the alinsky method kicking right here, i began to hold seminars around the university to instruct other students on how they could eat without paying for it. In other words, i think this was the birth of Community Organizing in the United States. Alinsky graduates from school, goes on the study criminology, very interestingly he gets in with the series of gangs, an italian gang that he talks about and then most significantly the al capone gang. And here alinsky is interesting because he talks about interaction with the gang. At one point, for example, the capone boys want to bring assassin from out of state to kill people and alinsky far from objecting to the killings, objecting to the high price of bringing out of state assassin, why dont we hire a local guy, theyll do it for less. Alinsky tells playboy in interview, you know, i really admire the way in which these gang members could shake down people and extract money and stuff out of them, the only downside is that every now and then they got shot. They got knocked off. So alinsky, it goes me thinking how i can pull a similar scam without the risk of getting knocked off. Alinsky realized that crime is actually similar to politics. So alinsky realized and again, im not divulging alinskys private thoughts, alinsky says a lot of the things that i applied to Community Organizing i learned from the mafia. That is not a direct quote, but its a paraphrase of a direct quote. So, essentially, alinsky took the mafias shackdown tactics, brought them into politics. And here we have really the beginnings of obamaism and hillaryism. I want to give an example of how this thing works. Obamacare, many people think that obamacare was obama colluding with the American People against the Insurance Companies. Thats the public face of it. Its a very alinskyite scam, lets pretend im on the side of the people fighting against the big bad Insurance Companies. In reality something completely different is going on. Obama is meeting behind closed doors with the same Insurance Companies and basically using threats and incentives to bring them over to support obamacare. The threats are obvious, we are going to be taking over the Health Care System and its going to look very bad for you if you oppose it. The incentive is more cunning. Obama says to the Insurance Companies, we are going to be forcing millions of americans, including young people, lots of people who dont want insurance, dont want to buy snowrns, we will then finally people said we need to have the guy who can throw across the room on our side for a change. [applause] remember how defensive per mitt romney was about his well . It cannot criticize him beat cousin or you do the more he boasts about having even more than you thought. [laughter] so now we are in the solid speed environments i admire him from a distance he was a very clever man and interesting and i think through the accident of history that his two proteges that seemed to have nothing going for them at the time did. Would actually become to breach the of summits of power and that is what put that netted into operation. Is the big legacy of the destructive i am sorry to say. Thank you very much. [applause] it is interesting because that is operational in of trouble why you think that is the case and also some dogmatic things. I wore my black cat justin case there is any deviousness how far leftwing i am at the problem with Dinesh Dsouza he is so far to the left when i turned icy peak. He certainly uses leftwing victimizing tactics and shame on you Dinesh Dsouza. Saul alinsky died by the sea where he was taken care of his exwife of whom he had had a friendly divorce not dabbling in the ways. He had a heart attack. The typical 36 confabulation of saul alinsky legacy. Barack obama was 11 years old when saul alinsky died did never met. And those who ventured through mentored barack obama at a seminar he was mostly interested how he was raising a racially mixed family because thats where he came from but ultimately he turned away definitively from the saul alinsky message of Community Organizing to give power to the people against the government and the oligarchs i want to go into the system and be a political figure. Hillary clinton met saul alinsky at two were three times a river otters thesis about him turned down opportunities to work with him because she said i see he is magnificent but you cannot take this to scale i dont want to take pressure on the government to carry out our will but i want to become a powerful central planner. She explicitly in her thesis and it is billion by suggests that you read it turned away from saul alinsky. Neither were his acolytes so Dinesh Dsouza tried to hang the corruption of the modern left and the Democratic Party on one saul alinsky is factually wrong. I hope you are paying attention he was all about power and taking power. People think they know saul alinsky. And with the jewish theology and by the way Dinesh Dsouza you are wrong. Saul alinsky was not an atheist you say these things and then you confuse people. And as a Classical Liberal in the british sense of job lock, adam smith and the left has appropriated his work those who may or may not have read it circulating garbage. To his beloved wife this was an epigram. From the rabbi and thomas paine. He never said the ends justified the means and what did saul alinsky really stand for . And there was no o cover story it was a summation of the way that he lived here is the man with no secrets this is what i stand for and what i pray you use your power to do. Respect the dignity of the people that they cannot be denied that elementary right to participate in the solutions of their own problems. Those who are not helpless or passive with Public Private services. With a significant part of the action with the denial of the opportunity to participate in the denial of human dignity. I yield the rest of my time to our chairman. First of all, let me stop for a moment to talk about a car the house of carmel. The house was bought for a maya father was 25,000 with the gratuity closet your attorneys that the former owner has the right to live in the house as long as he or she should live or choose to. We bought the house with that idea in mind. My mother died in that house of multiple sclerosis, i am sorry i have to talk about this. There were a lot of things that were said today that i dont have the time to go into but i want to talk about a few things that there are three basic myths that i am not here to say sorry to those with of philosophy and the theory of my father. The first is this is dedicated so that page in the book if you look at it one by the rabbi but the second is by thomas paine and the third is by my father who was lucifer . He talks about lucifer he is a metaphor for evil incarnation encouraging them to do wrong genesis 65 because of the hebrew verb and certainly intended to do that so the reference is not about doing evil but with bad accepted status quo at the expense of others. Philosophies and tactics this is also not true. This is for any organization. On how to think about power politics. We are all involved one way or another if we agree with each other or looking for ways for the better ourselves, our community. Whether black or white to yellow or brown from any other group including libertarians for go so with no political power without political measure of influence that they always exercised so that a third myth is there were communist marxist whose sole mission is life nothing could be further from the truth. As they achieved anything. Why were carted day communist system and is only the party leaders. Everyone else is just slaves. To pay a communist or socialist they dont have a sense of humor. Used to say he would never join any organization that that is not exactly true. He was a jew but the organization he did belong to and support was of the jewish state. Supported the neighborhood temples i grew up in that temple he would never have been anything less. And when asked he would say i am jewish. That is not the sentiment of a marxist. There were a lot of things that were said today. For what they believe in and sitting in the apartment in to find that the essence and what he wanted to work for dedicating his life he was of a democrat no question about that. However more than being a democrat in the ability of people to organize for themselves regardless of their party or community and to gain for themselves the individual asia and collective rights that our country provides. [applause] we are running low one time so we will do a . Response by a Dinesh Dsouza then maybe a closing statement followed by a very brief closing statement by ralph. Saul alinsky was a complex manager if it is interesting that when theyre challenged so to quibble with you was agnostic or eight yes but i will concede on that point he was culturally a jew not religious he said so himself may be not strictly sticky speaking in a piece titled go. Agnostic. Fair enough. That is not the heart of the matter for girl and then tuesday that defense of the legacy he seems to say you cannot call saul alinsky destructive because he doesnt have a legacy at all. But it is true that there is a serious shift from saul alinsky bay broke from him at the end on 1. And 1. Along. And without mafia analogy to control the streets through intimidation he is the outsider shakedown technique. Obama and hillary went one better to say we dont have to be a side what if we run the government or the corporations we can use the weapons of the state against enemies. And to state power that even dreamed as possible. That is the first point. So lets just put it this way. Talk about that haves and havenots with the created wealth is also how accidental that means like manna from heaven overhead and havenots are the victims of social misfortune to organize and struggle we are now the of straight out marxist division of society so lets remember though whole of the United States was invented as an alternative to this framework. If you limit the size of the government you limit the oppression that was common and systematic and you allow something new in the world which is Wealth Creation there were karrer dead come up with new ideas in mind that have for have not . When i came to america with 500 in my pocket i was the have not. Over time by selling books and giving speeches and making movies now by a member of the house i guess. This is the shallow way to its society never asking in the first place. As a very ingenious fayette end to figure out very creative ways to make his point which essentially puts the republicans and a very bad light the one time saul alinsky was approached by a group of leftist holding a poster saying the Republican Party is the party of the kkk. He would have known for sure it was for almost the entire idea of history the organized element of the Democratic Party to say for 30 years they were the domestic terrorist arm of the Democratic Party. Saul alinsky do this but he says as is usual leftist. [applause] solyndra speaker begins to speak to jump up and down so to create a media event so here is a classic example historically invalid the opposite of the truth but he had this uncanny ability to use the big law a effectively to extract confessions. He would find out they were sponsoring the concert of masterpiece theatre. When the performance of Classical Music starts able so embarrassed that they will be behind closed doors. And there is even before that takes place if there is a tone of brutality and intimidation smoke and mirrors and propaganda and this is a regrettable feature of our culture where on earth does it come from . We can see the nucleus of this saul alinsky didnt just do it but was proud of it. Thank you. [applause] Dinesh Dsouza i did not completely dispel your promise because not because of all of your innuendos and misstatements. So he concealed carry a sidearm because of Death Threats from a the kkk. You continue to reduce store it the message of saul alinsky which does not bother me. You are a house cat to use it to on the pillow and drink kreme and you consider us riffraff i get it. You make all of this up. Read the book if you dont agree i dont have enough minutes for this i have one minute to tell you what translated the declaration of independence from just one more document and the rules from radicals was 66 mens the lives and fortunes were pledged along with their sacred honor to give a certain inalienable rights there are people of freedom fest who have pledged their lives and fortunes and their sacred honor. We need more of you to stand up and not criticize the government but take power now. Thank you very much. [applause] this is a challenge of two minutes. What we are talking about your all involved one way or another view are being a pressed from whatever source what are the means of fighting back . Communities like it in rochester or on the south side of chicago . York . Canada . What do they have . They do not have the power use what you have with what you got. Period. And use what you have got. What did you have . From the rochester Symphony Orchestra yes he was working inside the system this system of was so pressing of people they had to find a way to fight back. You use what you have with what you got it is as simple as that. [applause] so ending with a heartfelt discussion thomas paine are you not concerned about the reputation to say i feel no concern 84 participating in this. [applause] [inaudible conversations]. I am the author of the new book the convenient terrorist i freelance for newsweek Time Magazine and an adjunct professor from Seton Hall University the center for policy and research a think tank that deals with National Security issues. Here at barnes and noble is