Medal olympian women back in 2012 on the 40th anniversary of president nixons signing of title 9 alan barra wrote an op at in the New York Times titled. Female athletes. Thank nixon. And now on the 50th anniversary. I saw a column that said june 23 1972 was one of the most important days in the history of sports. I really agree with that. Titles nine had only 37 words, but those 37 words changed the history of sports in america and even the history of america itself. And those 37 words have changed and are still changing. Today on our panel. Youre about to meet three extraordinary women. Three olympians who made history representing america three champions who acknowledge and honor the part that title nine has played in their careers and in their lives. The first one is janet evans. Who . Who won four . Four gold medals in three Olympic Games. She broke seven World Records and won 17 International Titles five Us National Titles five World Championship titles and seven ncaa titles. Oh and as a headline in the la times put it. Janet evans didnt just set swimming records. She obliterated them. Shes in the us olympic hall of fame and the International Swimming hall of fame. And currently shes a key leader planning for the paralympic and Olympic Games in los angeles in 2028. Great Walsh Jennings who won four olympic medals in five Olympic Games three of them were gold and i was sitting with her at lunch and i saw her in athens in 04 and beijing and 08 and those were golds. That was great. Her first olympics were in sydney in 2000 and in 2016. She won a bronze in rio. Quite something for a mother of three and no wonder shes called an olympic icon. She also won three World Championship gold medals 70 77 avp tournaments and 56 international events. On her Instagram Page she says quote when god sends rain rain is my choice, but as youll see she well deserves her nickname six feet of sunshine. It and Courtney Matthewson. Who won gold medals olympic golds in beijing in 2012 and rio in 2016 now she grew up in Anaheim Hills and was was an oh oh county water polo player canyon high school. In her senior year at ucla. She won the coutinho award known as the heisman tree trophy of collegiate water polo. Courtney and her family live in Anaheim Hills, and im happy to say that she and chris arent strangers to the nixon library. They were married here. Her coach adam for corian. Thats ucla and Womens Water Polo Team describes her as the definition of competitive greatness, but she describes herself as a lover of ducks hockey family and friends and good food. Now the panel will be moderated by Jennifer Horn who is well known throughout los angeles Orange County and the island empire as cohost of am a im sorry am 870s the morning answer and in fact, she was recently announced she will provide the answer every weekday morning through 2024. Jennifer calls herself a radio brat who started working for her dads show with he was in high school. She is a voiceover artist and has worked on movies and commercials too. She volunteers for charities and political campaigns and like jennifer is no stranger to the nixon library. Were delighted to have her here to moderate this great panel. So on this auspicious 50th anniversary celebration of the day in june of 1972 that president nixon signed title nine into law. Were so pleased to have them all here and welcome Jennifer Janet garrett importantly to discussion. Thank you. How about a big round of applause for secretary franklin . What an incredible . And how much inspiration is in this room looking at these ladies today looking at secretary franklin and all of you . These are sources of inspiration for all the young women out there and its just such a pleasure to be here and hosting with all three of you. Lets start with you janet. Tell us about your path in finding your passion was was this always was athletics and swimming was just always what you wanted to do. Im sure so i grew up in placentia. My dads Veterinary Office is on yorba linda boulevard, so i am a Placentia YorbaLinda Fullerton girl when my parents moved to placentia in the late 60s, my mom didnt know how to swim to this day. She still doesnt know how to swim. So no lessons she grew up in texas no lessons, but we had a pool in our backyard. So she told my dad she was taking my after i was born she was taking my brothers and i to the local ymca up in fullerton to learn how to swim and and i learned how to swim and i always wanted to beat the boys and that was my goal. I had two older brothers at picked on me and i wanted to beat them. It was the only way i could kind of get back at them, but i will say that, you know being secretary franklin i never knew. World where i couldnt swim right . I was never told you cant do swim lessons at the ymca or you cant join this swim team up placentia. I was never told that and and it was remarkable as my mother who was not an athlete who was raised in texas cant swim. She my parents pushed just pushed me right in and there was never there were never any obstacles for me and i was i was born in 1971. Yeah. Title nine, i think all three of these ladies are products of title nine certainly and courtney when you got started, how did you find . How did you find water polo . Was it passion immediately . Was it just something to do when you realize you were good at it . How did you find your passion . Its actually pretty wild to me that im sitting here next to janet because i started as a swimmer when i was younger and i had posted a posters of her and summer up in my room. I started as a swimmer and i immediately loved it and one day were at practice and i saw some kids playing this game. Had no idea about theyre throwing a ball around and i told my parents like i want to try that sport and it ended up being water polo and i loved it from the very beginning. It was fastpaced. It was coed. It was 10 and under so you got to play with the boys, and and i really enjoyed that aspect of it as well and it just all sort of took off from there. A lot of dedication that it takes to carry. How did you how did you get involved with with volleyball a lot of early mornings . Im guessing right late days. Were not swim early. You know, i found love with bible when i was 10 years old, i grew up in the bay area and i have an older brother too Little Sisters and my parents are both pretty intense athletes. My mother actually played two sports in college of santa clara. So she was like one of the earliest beneficiaries of this she played soccer and Volleyball University and so for me, i played every sport whatever was in season. Thats what i played my brother and i are 11 months apart. And so i was just one of the and i love that so much but in the fifth grade at saint marys in los gatos volleyball was the first four offered in the fall, and it was all girls and i fell in love the first moment. It was so fun to me, you know, all my best friends are playing. My mother was a coach and it was just something so unique and prior to finding volleyball. I was a very very quiet child like my brother would speak for me and i just was very introverted but volleyball really gave me a voice. So i feel like when i found volleyball i found myself and i dont give you the number years later. Im still playing but im still playing still finding out who i am through sport and its just been the most incredible gift. You know earlier this week we all got together on a zoom call how many of you were wearing pants when we did that . Yeah. And on that call carrie, you said something that really stuck with me and i wrote it down. He said one of the things that you would like to see is more fun and more recreation when you talk about volleyball you light up. What would you like to see in in sports now . What do you mean when you say you want to have more . And recreation in the world of sports. Yeah. Well if you look at the kind of the environment of kids sports to use sports today, people are specializing when theyre 10, theyre literally picking their sport in their position in their sport when theyre super young all fighting for a College Scholarship, you know, when we all know the percentages of getting a College Scholarship are very small and so for me because of that the stress and pressure of that the joy has been lost in sports and i think a lot of people i think the numbers are like amazing that most athletes leave by the time of 13, you know inside. I think we can really put make the Initiative Bring fun back into sports. I think pe is a huge initiative that i know gets, you know thrown to the side with budget issues and stuff, but im still playing because i love it so much. Im not playing for the money. Im not playing for the glory. I love representing my country, but im playing because i love it and because it tells me who i am and i feel like kids need to remind her that sports are all about joy. Theyre all about the team, you know and figuring thing life out that way and so i think you know all of us would probably want our kids to grow up in that environment and i want to get behind that. Going to be playfully serious in life. Thats what bruce lee said. So i think its a beautiful combination. Courtney when just going out going off on the on the aspect of being a team you know, unfortunately politics and people everything just gets politicized nowadays. How important was it for you as a representative of team usa. Was that a moment for you to go out and celebrate the patriotism of this country throw politics aside, but just being a proud american and representing oversee. What sees what was that like being part of team usa . Its just something thats so special to be able to represent your country no matter where you stand politically to know that you have the opportunity to represent everybody on the worlds greatest stage and not everyone agrees. Thats like the beautiful thing about where we live. Its okay to have different opinions what you stand for, but i think that when it comes time to olympic year and all the excitement around them around that year is a lot of rallying from fans from Friends Family random people who are just interested in watching you do your best and compete at the highest level. So i felt like we had a ton of support specifically in 2012. I think the womens teams didnt exceptionally well in london and i think there was a lot of excitement for us when we were competing and when we came home and we received very well. Janet you are integral and integral piece in bringing the olympics to los angeles in 2028. Did you say you know, this is another job i could work for the olympic committee, or was it important for you to find a home in the place really that you were born and raised to have highlighted as part of the upcoming Olympic Games. It was it was the ladder. So in the summer of 2015 our chairman a man in case wasserman whos involved in the sports world in la asked me to come on board and be a part of this organization that was bidding to host at the time the 24 games and what he said to me was we want to make these olympics in . Books and Incredible Opportunity not just host another Olympic Games and a first Paralympic Games but to change the way athletes are taken care of at the games to change the way the athletes experience the olympic and Paralympic Games and then above and beyond that to impact the fabric of society and in Southern California, i was a part of our office apart. I was a spectator at the 1984 games and ive already told senator franklin shes coming to 28, but i i was a spectator in 84 and i remember the feeling of magic that was sprinkled over Southern California games were here and i think the opportunities we have now we talk about youth sports the International Olympic committee in conjunction with our organizing committee have infused 160 Million Dollars into youth sports in the city of los angeles. And so we are now the stewards of this money and we are offering you sports to all children in the Los Angeles Area for free through the parks and rec. So when a child who is told they cant compete in sports because their parents cant afford it or maybe their parents dont want them to and they see this as a as a roadblock. We can come in and say were actually offering you all of these sports for free and we always think how can we you know, find our next swimmer volleyball player water poll player fence or badminton player all of these sports that these children havent been exposed to and so having the Olympic Games come to los angeles is exciting for all of us because we will be spectators and we will enjoy it and we will be fans and well have a great opportunity for the athletes, but we really feel like we can make a difference for everyone and especially for our young people bringing the games home. Absolutely and thats what its all about and certainly all three of you ladies played both at the collegiate level and certainly in the in the olympics. So i think all of us have to know what that stand out moment was in your career. What was the moment where you realize you were at the pinnacle or just felt the best carry lets start with you. Well, im still waiting for that moment to be honest with you, but you know, i ill share with you the moment that i realized that i wanted to be an olympian. I was a freshman at stanford and the olympics had just finished in 1996 and we had the opportunity to scrimmage against the team that had just competed in atlanta so they came to stanford. I was so nervous heart racing much like today and were playing and i literally could not put the ball down. Like the whole match. I was just getting these were women and i was you know, like toothpick and 18 and so nervous, but i got one ball down. I got one kill that whole match, which usually i would be devastated about but instead of being devastated i was like, oh i can do this and that was literally the the start of reframing my mind to be like i want to do this. Whats after stanford beautiful place to be i want to go they dont fix and that was a start so it was beautiful. I that. Yeah, courtney um, i think it would probably be in 2016 when we were in rio we had the first ever gold medal for mens water polo for a team usa in 2012, and that was a hill that the girls before us had been climbing and climbing they had metal in every olympics leading up to that, but they had never won that elusive gold medal and we won in 2012 and i felt like was kind of just like a sigh of okay. We did it. We finally met everyone elses expectations and i decided to come back for one more go around. I thought it wasnt really sure but i thought i had a taste of whats at top and itd be nice to come back and compete for the chance to win again, and we did quite well in the lead up to the olympics. We won World Championships worldly. We were pretty much winning everything and we were putting in all the time and effort and we felt very very prepared and i remember when we landed and rio i just had a smile and i knew i knew we were gonna win and i am very i think im quite reserved as a player compared to my other teammates. I dont like do the first i just kind of put my head down so im back but i felt like at that moment extremely confident and we just destroyed everybody at that real. No fist bumps. Thats fair. You just got janet. Well, i think courtneys being humbled because you know womens water polo went into the Olympic Games in 2000 right in sydney, which was a huge milestone for women in water polo, and i think being in aquatics person. Ive always followed them and they are they are incredible you have they win their match your big to humble they win their matches by like 15 goals, right . Right, so shes being very humble. They are an Incredible Group of women. Im a huge fan. So so my story came my favorite part came at the end of my olympic career when i was kind of done and i think the two athletes here could tell you about the mental state of how it feels to be an olympian the pressures that we experience we make it look easy, but emotionally its very trying and very hard and we have lots of ups and downs and i would reckon to say that both carrie and courtney could tell you there were times in their career that they wondered why they were doing this why they were getting up at five to go swimming or playing on the sand and and so i was at my final games and i had been asked by the chairman of the Atlanta Organizing Committee to run the torch at opening ceremonies, and i had originally told him no because i was a swimmer. I dont know how to run i would fall; . So he would what billy payne who was the chairman said to me . So janet you will be the the final woman and the second to last runner to carry the torch to to at the opening ceremonies when i asked him why he had chosen me he said because you represent the olympics and what the olympics mean which is a champion, you know, someone who its not always about winning. Its about the whole the whole thing and i didnt feel like that because i love winning the olympics and so so i didnt really understand that piece. I was still very young and so i agreed to do this and and they tell me the night before that is its going to be muhammad ali and they tell me because ali in the rehearsal the night before had dropped the torch twelve out of twelve times and so they were scared that when i got up there with him he would drop the torch and so thats the only reason i knew it was alien, and once again, i didnt understand the history of muhammad ali i was still very young and i ran through this stadium and i i just was worried about my legs and like i didnt want to be bad in my 400 free the next day because i didnt want to be tired and as i watched the olympians kind of move with the torch and the looks on their faces and i got up this big long ramp and all lee was standing there and you know, he was shaking and he you know, i know he had dropped the tour he was really nervous, but the ground swell of the athletes and the groundswell of that stadium and channing his name and and and passing it him was my penultimate moment. Id give up every metal to do it again because and ill be quick but what i realized was that, you know, we worked so hard as athletes, but were not always going to be muhammad ali taking the ring and the thriller and manila right . Were not always going to be janet evans beating the east germans or kerry walsh winning her umpteenth medal or or courtney, you know, we are who we are and were doing the best we can at that given moment and i think for all lead to stand there in the south, you know in that moment not who we used to be very obviously, you know ill and everyone i talk to in that moment talks about what ill be doing that meant to him meant to each person and so for me it kind of made me realize i dont know. Were we might not be who we were at one point in our lives, but we have to keep going we have to keep inspiring and we have to keep doing the best that we can so that was my i love it. Thank you. Good moment. You know when we watch all of you and theres room has watched all of you. Not that thats but you dont realize the human nature of sports. There are setbacks. You brought up setbacks. But theres also the winter mentality that you overcome those setbacks. What was the thing that you did . What would you rely on to overcome challenges that got in your way . Ill start with you janet. Oh, yeah feel like im talking a lot. Um, i will work our way. Okay. Ill be brief my dad who passed away a couple years ago was a veterinarian right . Only yorba linda boulevard. I dont know if any of you knew him, but everyone right there. She did everywhere doctor evans everyone loved doctor evans and you know people come that practice and say, oh my gosh, youre janet emmas dad. He say no janet evans is my daughter, right . And so but no my mom didnt know how to swim my dad called swimming something you did when he fell off a boat, and id have a bad swim and id come home and id be upset and you know, its all you want right and hed be like, hey janet the suns going to come up tomorrow morning, and im still gonna love you and so is your mother and thats every time and it olympics when i didnt swim. Well, hed find his way down the deck and hed be like, i still love you and the sun is still gonna come up tomorrow. And so thats kind of ally thing right . Its we try and try and try and try and sometimes are parents are still going to love you and thats really what matters so courtney. Yeah. I had a piggyback on what janet said, of course like your family your parents your siblings and that close support system that you have is hugely important to help you going when the times are tough because everyones going to be there when things are going great. Everyones to be a part of it, but when things are not going great or you have injuries or setbacks or bad games. Those people arent really there or if they are there. There may be criticizing why you wouldnt do this or that its like you get out there you show me how you play waterfall, but also i had the privilege of playing on a team of 13 amazing women in 2012 and 2016 and the countless other girls that train with us. That didnt end up making that final roster. So when youre from a bigger team, you have a lot of people who can support you who can pick you up when youre having a bad days or a bad attitude. And i think thats just the beauty of team sports and the privilege that its giving me over the course of my whole entire career is all these wonderful relationships that i have had that i know are gonna last way beyond water polo and they have taught me so much. As as a person who i am what i can withstand and thats just what i personally relied on when i was going through my journey carrie for me. Its all been roses and sunshine so kidding, you know for me, i i was raised in a family where faith is just every single day. My mom literally goes to church every single day. She does her walks and listen to the rosary. So when things get hard in my life, the recommendation is a double down on faith to do my part, but just know im held and that has always really helped me and so i feel like its like what mr. Franklin said when my quote when god says rain rain is my choice. I feel like every single thing in my life is here to serve. The hard stuff the good stuff. Ive had six shoulder surgeries. I was told repeatedly a couple times in my career that i would never play again and every single time i had heard those things or went through those things. I was with my mother and my mothers like babe. This is gonna make you so good. You know, and so that mentality that through challenges theres new strength. Theres new workarounds. Theres all these things. Thats kind of how i live my life and now my kids, you know compete and they fall down the fat on their face or if they fail like this is gonna make you so good like youre crazy mom like but it will you know, so i think that, you know having lived that and ill give you that to my kids those really special it feels right. My Life Experience tells me its true. We are here celebrating title nine today, and certainly wed be remiss not to talk about the future. Of womens sports. Theres a lot of people right now who may say the title. Nine is under attack. Carrie will start with you. What do you think the future of women in sports . What does it look like . Is it . Is it a rosy picture . Oh it says rosie is as far as im gonna look at this turnout. Thank you guys all for being here. I think this just when people put action behind their priorities, using things happen, you know, i was yesterday. I was in maryland at a kpmg event for the lpga and they just doubled the prize money from former into 9 million, you know a lot of people a lot of companies are stepping up to sport a female initiatives and i think its so beautiful for me, you know something that the olympics didnt necessarily change my life the fact that ever saw an nbc put me on tv in prime time changed my life and i feel like everyone on this panel everyone here, you know the audience today if we can get more women in the media get women more presented in that fashion. Thats what changes things. Thats what shows these girls scouts. You know, its theres aspirations out there and thats what changed my life and i think thatll be my focus moving forward. Here for me personally. I never thought that i wouldnt play sports. We are so far past that the time were women little girls werent expected or were expected to do other things and from the very beginning. I knew it was going to go to school. I was going to play sports and i think its its great. Its a testament to all the hard work that you guys have put in the female fighters from the very beginning and i think we can continue furthering that for our young next generation. I have two young girls and one of them just started splash ball last week and i dont think its gonna be her sport. I mean, who knows . Shes only shes turning five years in a week, but its so great that she has the opportunity the chance to even try out and see if thats a good fit for her and im just so grateful that that path was paved not only for me but for for my kids and hopefully for their kids moving forward and i think we just need to do all we can to get behind the movement and support it. Yeah, no janet. And all echo what carry and courtney said, you know, its funny. We were talking before this. I have a 15 year old daughter. Swimmer and my astra yesterday with title 9 was and she didnt know so i made her research as a good as a good mother of a teenager, but you know to kind of piggyback on on their responses. I think its important now that were celebrating 50 years. Thank you to use secretary franklin. My question is whats next. So what do we do now . And its what courtney said continuing to support support our young people, but i think its intentionally creating spaces to give girls opportunity to play sport on the sporting level, right . So intentionally allowing girls from lower socioeconomic, you know places or or girls of color or trans girls or whatever. We want the opportunity to play sport. Im not talking being in the next carey Walsh Jennings or the next Courtney Matthews and im talking they just need to play right . They need that opportunity. They need to learn sportsmanship and having teammates and how to be coached and fortitude and how to lose and how to win so i think the next step to title nine is creating those spaces to get those opportunities theres a statistic that the library here probably knows but in a family that can only afford one athlete in their family of multiple kids. I think like the large percentage they always choose the boy always without fail right we can afford to send one kid to sports camp. Were sending our boy. Lets make it the girl right . Lets create those spaces. So those girls can have the opportunity to play as well. Courtney if you were able to give and i would ask you because i know you all have kids if your kids came to you and said i want to be an olympian with all the sacrifices that youve made. Lets start there just down the line would you say . Yes, im on board or whoa. Think about what youre going to be giving up. According to 100 support if thats what they choose to do. Thats what they want you thats how my parents were for me. I decided really late that i was going to try enjoying the National Team and i was out of college. I was turning 22 that year, which is now at the rio olympics. I was 29 and my roommate was 17. So you the girls start younger now and just thats how it is on the womans water pool aside, but my parents offered me that support and and if my children want to take that path and i will 100 support them. Carrie 100 absolutely yeah, i feel like if you love something youre willing to suffer for it, and i think we all have suffered on the stage because we love it so much, you know, so 100 its worth all of it. Janet yes, absolutely. My daughter swims. Im tired of getting up at four to take her to swim practice that but otherwise if we could do without learning workouts. It would be much better, but absolutely just kind of move swimming to midday days, you know, so that being said that what is the advice that you give your daughters and really all young people who want to go down this path . There are some young people in this room right now who would probably like to hear some advice from you three. Should we start with you kerry . Go ahead. Gosh, theres just so much. I read a lot of selfhelp books, which helps me along my way, but you know for me, its kind of what i just said like if somethings in your heart, i believe its your duty. I believe its your birthright your birthright to go and chase that and if you want something if you do it sincerely, its going to take you. Meant to be whether you fall short or whether you go the distance sincerity i think is magical and again if its in your heart you got to go for it. So thats my recommendation to myself to everyone on this stage to my baby girl and all of you for sure. Courtney i think hard work goes a long way. I think putting the time and effort in and really making the commitment and its its a journey whether you make it to the very end the highest stage, but i would say put the time and effort in work hard and i think the results will come for you. And i would add to that balance and perspective right . Yeah, i think remembering at the end of the day. Its still just a sport and you know to you know, get your education and work hard and realize theyll be bumps and failures and the whole worlds not going to revolve around our specific sport. So just take it on stride and take a deep breath and find the joy every day to have the fun that we talked about, right . Well, we are going to give all of you an opportunity to ask some questions of these amazing women and first before we even get there a big round of applause for them. For their advice and if you have a question to come. It right over there. Yep. We have just a few quick questions. And what is yours . You all are such an inspiration youre continuing to to pave the way for a girls. I i be remiss if i i didnt ask you to elaborate a little bit on biological men competing in womens sports. Soccer, please. So i had the honor of writing an oped. It came out a news week yesterday anyone wants to pick up news week and we talk about a lot of what we just talked about. So, i dont know if you know fina who is our governing body of aquatics so courtney and i sat under the phenom umbrella just change their roles. So a child that is not transition a male thats not transition by the age of 12 cannot compete at in their competitions. This does not fall under the olympics. Its just for the fina World Championship type of events, but you know, my response is what i just said, which is i think every girl needs the opportunity to play sports. So whether this child decides that shes going to transition young that girl still. Has the right to participate in sport and im not im not talking about legislation. Im not talking about where the ncaa stands or where phoenix stands or for the ic stands. I think every person has the right to play sports and i want to see those avenues open for them at that young age to experience. What sport can give them whatever they choose to be. Thank you, janet. I think for me i just think you should probably compete in your biological category. Absolutely and i think we can absolutely create some safe spaces for all of the iterations of that. Absolutely. Courtney im along the same lines there with kerry, i think that we can create an avenue just like phenot talked about eventually moving forward at least specifically for aquatic sports biological compete by where you who you were born as or what gender youre born as and they were talked about creating another avenue for trans athletes to compete together. So theres fairness and equality across the board for all all those that are competing. Next question actually two questions out. Why dont we have a separate category for transgenders is the first question. So we didnt hear it was the question. Why dont we have another category . Why dont we or transgender . I think thats kind of what we touched on, but anybody want on that. I just think thats a starting point with finas ruling and should be interesting to see what follows from their rolling and respective sports and a i think that might be something thats an option moving forward. I like to ask a question related to title 9. Could the three of you touch on a particular hurdle or or difficult time in your professional careers where maybe you didnt realize it was title line affecting you but indeed it was what you thought to yourself thats not fair. And and what did you do to navigate that . I have to be. The Debbie Downer here. I have no problems like every single door has been open for me and its been incredible. Im like i said, my mother played College Volleyball and soccer, you know, she was just that was in 1970 three or four, you know, so since then i just every door has been wide open for me and its been such a privilege, you know. Courtney the same for me. I dont think ive known a world where i havent been able to compete or have been at a disadvantage largely due to the you know, the work that was put in before we got the opportunity to play sports. Janet same and im the oldest one on this pan. So thats a puppy. Well, i think its fair to say. Thank you secretary franklin and thank you president richard nixon. We we are pressed for time we have time for one last question. Its going to come from equine. I just want to know what who are the role models besides the sports. Role models ladies besides athletes im one of the ones who finds inspiration with everyone in this room for showing up this morning. I got a very early and i saw this older gentleman running down the street and he had a limb that he was going for it. I got tears in my eyes. So those are my inspirations people who show up for life and are just determined to live it to the fullest stuff. Courtney as i mentioned earlier my parents my sister lauren just a support system that i have been so fortunate to have ever since i was really little when i embarked on my sports journey. How about you the family for sure . Absolutely. I like that. Its better. You know it obviously you are all icons for people who are coming up, especially in the sports business, but its so important to see our everyday heroes as well. So thank you ladies because you are those those role models for for women for young people and it really for all of us who have watched you. So thank you all for what you do. Thank you jennifer. Thank you. We got to do that again. That wasnt enough applause. Come on. Lets thank omy name is tom zol. Im a professor at Chapman University and also at Dartmouth College and here today with bob reel the author of the