You this crisis. Im helpless. This is the front page of Climate Change. So it is becoming more extreme than it is. We have nothing to eat. My son is 2nd. People have actually lost their complete, lively or not. I have to take care of my children and my grandchildren. Access to assistance is difficult. We have no reason. I nearly 1000000 homes have been damaged deal of the month. I have no one but gone in to help me with also coming up one year ago today, u. S. Troops withdrew from afghanistan for many, the trauma of that moment. It hasnt gone anywhere. I mean, i think everybody say, hey, we want all the battles, but we lost the war. But i think its more that the lack of that was fell flat on that word. Arc nation acted in a dishonorable way. In the generals and the senior Staff Officers and all the people in the white house and theyre the ones who made those decisions. And i dont know a Service Member that just does absolutely abhor them, which have our viewers watching on p. B. As in the United States into all of you around the world, welcome, we begin the day surveying the worst flooding in the history of pakistan. It is difficult to describe the extent of destruction caused by a combination of severe drought, followed by monster monsoon reigns to night. A 3rd of pakistan is submerged. 33000000 people are now in need of shelter. Food and medicine on this map shows the vast areas impacted by the floods stretching across the entire length of the country in the south. Much of pakistans bread basket provinces. Well, they are now under water hopes of any harvest or drowning in growing fears of food shortages, a village underwater in pakistan, sind province, one of several key agricultural regions that now resemble small oceans. Many people here were poor before the floods came. Now theyve lost almost everything in those areas that are dry, makeshift camps. Hows those displaced by the water and farmers salvage what they can from their fields . Pakistans climate minister says the flooding is apocalyptic, and that her country is bearing the brunt of Climate Change caused by more develop nations. Boxes than is less than one percent in the global emissions up by if you like. We hardly contribute any of the emissions to the broader emission blanket that makes so for Greenhouse Gases to turn our climates into a living hill. In the northern pakistani city of la horror, the effects of the floods are being felt in soaring prices for food and other basic goods. They love you are, these prices of increased a lot because of the floods relative thank if goods cant be transported from baluchistan. The roads are close iffy. My, our business here is almost slow to a star bodies that are built while people cant feed their children, cant pay their rent. So got there. Can even pay electricity. Bill should i have all prices of w. I back got a sec, theyre supposed double mendera the floods could not have come at a worse time for pakistan where the economy was already in crisis. Now the government says it needs more than 10000000000. 00 to recover from this latest climate catastrophe. Ah, to day one year ago, the last u. S. Military plane departed afghanistan, ending americas longest war. The withdrawal was sudden, just like the surrender of the entire afghan army to the taliban. I mean, the chaotic weeks of early august u. S. Troop numbers had dwindled and the taliban, they were closing in the u. S. Military flu, more than a 100000 people out of the country. In what became the largest air lift in history. You may remember this is the last american soldier to leave afghanistan boarding a flight that carried military personnel as well as the u. S. Ambassador. The taliban quickly took over the airport after that plane took off the pirated equipment that had been left behind by the americans and their nato allies. Much of that equipment, of course, had been destroyed to make sure that the taliban would never use it. The events of one year ago, especially those horrific scenes at the cobble airport. They still haunt many former u. S. Military personnel. D. W. s stefan simons, is in seattle, washington. Tonight he brings us the story of to us veterans who served in the afghan war u. S. Army ranger veteran Matthew Griffin doesnt need visual reminders of what transpired in august last year. C the images of desperate afghans at cobble airports trying to flee the country as taliban fighters took over, are burned in his memory and carved into his conscience. He says that moment it broke me and i had to reach out to a couple friends, a local small business. They offered up a board room, which we set up a command center and i had army rangers, navy seals green to raise and a bunch of civilians come in and we set up a full on command center. Griff, as everybody calls him, his friends and comrades went into overdrive, trying to help bring as many afghans out as possible. People they had worked with, fought with, bled full, cried and laughed with griff. And many others are still upset about how the u. S. Conducted their withdrawal from afghanistan. I dont know, a Service Member that isnt are set up. Its not that the law. I mean, i think everybody say, hey, we want all the battles. Booker lost the war. But i think its more the, the lack of which fell flat on that word. Arc nation acted in a dishonorable way. And the generals and the senior Staff Officers and all the people in the white house and theyre the ones who made those decisions. And i dont know a Service Member that just doesnt absolutely abhor them, period filled with frustration. Griff offers his perspective and a reality check. You know, we have all our friends there who are hurting who are suffering and theres no way out for them. No one is coming, its up to them, theyre trapped. They need to figure out life moving forward. Whether they decide to ron or whether they decide to stay or whether they decide to fight, its their decision. Theres nothing that the everyday citizen like you and i can do to support them anymore. Still grief and others continue their efforts to help, even though they cant send money or goods into afghanistan. They cant get anybody out any more, but they can still help afghans who made it into the u. S. Meet jimmy, settle a former air force per a rescue man and friend of griff, he managers, the local african refugees Assistance Center is mission. Now, helping afghans to get a foothold in their new home america, thats my, thats the. So to my heart, i welcome them with open arms. And because my folks, my family at some point in history, were immigrants here in the us. And it be hypocritical to deny them the same opportunities jimmy and griff, or just 2 of thousands of us veterans who served in afghanistan, who are still trying to support afghans in any way possible each in their own way. Im join nell by omar. Some on he was once the afghan ambassador to france as well as canada. He is now with the Global Affairs thinktank, the Atlantic Council in washington, dc. Ambassador, its good to have you with us. It has been a year since thats traumatic and chaotic departure of us and nato forces from afghanistan. The helpers, the afghan helpers who were left behind have they been forgotten by washington. Sh. But i dont think that they have, youd forgotten. I think that the situation is such that if they were not able to either be they did want to or some would prevent it for various reasons. I think that the policy has need to evacuate as many as possible, not just by the u. S. Late many others as well include germany. And i think they did the best job under the circumstances because you look it up in the said, there are 3 ways of looking at if you look at the last 20 years of the intervention, some people called occupation. If you look at the year that just passed, as you said, look at what has happened to the African People since then. What are the told about doing what is it the National Community doing and reaction to all of that. And then you look at the microcosm of those 2 weeks where the focus was on. So many people wanting to leave in the evacuation and how things may have gone wrong. And some people think that did it the best of the circumstances. And what about what has happened in this past year . The interNational Community does not recognize the taliban. Im as the official, the leadership in government of afghanistan. As a result. You dont have foreign aid money going into the country. The you win now says that may be as many of 6000000 afghans could go hungry every day. Are these sanctions, are they actually doing more harm than good . So if you ask, i guess theyre doing more than good. Again said was recipient of billions of dollars of money, most of which was wasted. Unfortunately, a lot of it was put into pockets and they fled. Those people fled the country. I as an african no perfect and many others do to. Those tools will come out one day, but since then its the african population, 35. 00 plus 1000000 people who are paying the price for a dysfunctional government that flight the country and it interNational Community, especially of friends, those who served as the reports it and wanted to see something better, unfortunately, for a lot of Different Reasons we couldnt fix up against that. We thought that you could fix the country by imposing models that didnt work very well. So there are a lot of lessons to learn from that. But now we have to deal with the situation and, and as you said, 6000000 people crazy fab. Any could have 1000000. 00 children will be died within the next year. 24000000 people who have nobody really under the line of poverty and almost 30000000 press. Ready people who are worse off, its because of the sanctions, is because of the money that are in pros. And its also because of the fact that taller bond, happy to intransigent and not responding in kind to some of the issues, the ambassador. Unfortunately, were out of time, but we certainly do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with his on this one Year Anniversary of the withdrawal. Omar, so thank you so much. Ah, we have reported extensively on alleged human rights abuses committed by Russian Forces during the invasion of ukraine. It is just one piece of a larger picture of people on the planet who were in peril. Human rights watch exposes violations of human rights and it pushes to hold those offenders accountable. For the past 3 decades, kenneth roth have stood at the helm of Human Rights Watch this week. He is stepping down and tonight hes joining us. Can its good to have you on the program as it is it, as it is in the News Business we, we have breaking news and we need to report and were getting reports now out of russia that former soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev has died. And i dont know if youve heard that, but we just got the report and i wanted to ask you, he was seen at least in the west as a symbol of, of hope in change for more human rights behind the iron curtain and your thoughts on the news of his passing, he was really a visionary leader on his so called glosses represented a 1st and foremost of the thing he really began across is free speech that i think ultimately led to the end of the soviet union. In that, together with his perestroika, which was his economic liberation from the state control, the cummings control of the economy really began a transformation process which, you know, ended with the split the soviet union into its 15 constituent parts. And frankly, thats a big part of what is motivating brewton today. As he and bates, ukraine. Hes never accepted the break up of the soviet union. He still thinks that, you know, ukraine and valor, bruce and parts of context and are really just bullshitting creations that hes entitled to resurrect. Because there are some ethnic russian speakers there. So, you know, gorbachev was a, an amazing. But of course, you know that the Ripple Effect of his leadership is still being taught today some positively some way. Is the era gorbachev. 30 years ago, it seems like a world, a way that was the world in which you began your time at Human Rights Watch. Talk to me a little bit, compare for me if you can. What your scope of work is has been, but it is changed. Compared to 30 years ago, and what its like today with human rights when you actually began as an effort to protect the human rights defenders in some loc who had done their work with a core 1975 and were coffee suppressed. And so helsinki rock, which is the precursors, Human Rights Watch, was really an effort to protect them. And that, you know, spoke to an era where being a human rights activist was still relatively rare. There were activists around the world, but they were a week in battle bunch. And i think the biggest evolution that ive seen in the 3 plus decades that ive been involved in the Human Rights Movement is that today there are human rights defenders in almost every country. You know, maybe the most repressive ones, like north korea. Theres no one who can survive there, but even in that case, operate and eggs. And so we are, we have a movement that really is able to push back against this inevitable tendency of government to pilot in rise. When you couple that with the fact that today, its very difficult for government to hide their crushing in their smartphones and access to social media. Virtually every place on it does mean that the Human Rights Movement is able to generate very significant pressure on government supply with human rights. We dont always win by any means, but there is a hostage rise by lesions and we are able to impose what worries you the most can when you, when you think about the present and the future of human rights in our world. Will say there really is a global contrast between democracy, not government say, or with theory built on the 2nd lights. And those that are go merrily on, you know, in some sense this is playing out in ukraine. But i think in many ways, the most dangerous threat to the Global Defense of human rights is china. Because, you know, nobody wakes up in the morning, wants to live in putins craft aquatic autocracy. But the Chinese Government does present itself as a supposedly superior model. Mars one that isnt, im impeded by the messiness of democracy. One that can think longer term, but of course, you know, any autocracy, im because its not answerable to its people primarily serves itself. And were seeing this today where the Chinese Communist party is, you know, it is pursuing a series of policies, you know, economic cove, it in the like which is really about retaining power. But what worries me is the Chinese Government, you know, has both the logical inclination and the economic power to try to persuade, or course governments around the world to defend itself. And in that, i think today is perhaps the biggest battle that the Human Rights Movement faces the new york times. Emma has called you the godfather of human rights work in that speaks to the enormous respect that youve earned in your career. Obviously youve attracted criticism as well. Im thinking about Human Rights Watch equating israels policy towards the palestinians with the concept of apartheid. The Jerusalem Post recently quoted in geo monitor president Gerald Steinberg as saying that in his 30 year reign has head of Human Rights Watch. Ken ross has obsessively distorted and exploited human rights to demonize is real. Whats your take on that given youve had years to, to try to find a solution to this. Have you been able to change minds there . First, as you say, the guy you just quoted about is higher. You are criticizing anybody, you criticize israel in history. Are these are every government is never in history. The world committed rights violation. So, you know, this is not a credible source, but Human Rights Watch applies the same fact. Finding the same standards to his real as we do every place else. In the case of israel, we applied the International Legal definition of apartheid as contained in 2 treatments. And if you look at the fact, its not even close, you know, when he writes what you should report, hes really, government couldnt find anything wrong. You know, they just resorted to name calling certain you decided. But you know, we get this all the time. Governments, when they cant defend their record, try to attack the messenger and human rights rush tries to be extremely careful. We are objective and meticulous in our fact finding. And then as carefully in his principal way as possible. We apply human rights. Governments dont like that. Were attacking, ive been personally sanctioned by the chinese and the russian governments were attacked by the one in the open. I go, i dont know, thats just what happens and governments have nothing to say for themselves. They attaching rights in speaking of china today, the Chinese Foreign ministry had some words. It offered some words of advice for the United States regarding gun violence and human rights. Take a listen to what was it me. Huh. In terms of the us needs to face up to its poor human rights conditions regarding gun violence and take concrete action on gun control to stop the violence and protect the american peoples rights to life. Rather than go around criticizing other countries and using human rights is a pretext to metal in their internal affairs. Obviously the irony there is, is obvious can, but when you hear this, what worries you the most looking forward, the growing influence of china and dis, authoritarian system or the weakening influence of the United States as a moral authority and defender of human rights. Well, 1st of all, the u. S. S. U S Supreme Court extra interpretation 2nd. But if that should match, no government, and government say no attempt to set you right in that respect, should stand up and defend much round world, particularly in question china, where theres not in the cri chance oversight with you. Nobody is about to speak. No, you can vote on a document and economic and social is china pretends if you would like more than the size. So it is very simplistic view of human rights. So i dont believe that somebody has to be perfect in order to defense rights for rather in everybody should scrutinize themselves, but then devote themselves to protecting the rights around world. I frankly wish that us did that with, you know, rather than, for example, president bidens recent fist bump with the saudi crown prince. Yeah. Yeah. That, that was reported on a lot in the implications of that fis bump. What about Climate Change kept . What can that mean . What should it mean for the future of human rights . Climate change is a big threat. Obviously on it many people are going to face displacement due to Climate Change. Theyre going to face impoverishment. And i think there is a real responsibility, you know, both to curtail the dumping of harvey to the us making things worse. But also, you know, particularly though the wealthier countries that have done so much to contribute to Climate Change, they really have responsibility. Try to mitigate its effects on countries or, you know, contributed relatively little to the problem, but whose people today are suffering and honest. And is, if youre talking about the future, there are some futurists who say that artificial intelligence, for example, could make a large percentage of the future human population somewhat redundant. When you hear things like that, does it worry you mean how does a i in our technological future is that going to present a threat to the protection and preservation of human rights . It is presented. Im going to see an example general washington bird involved in china. Stop what we call chilar loop. That is to say, in wrappings using ai, theyre basically instructed. You dont find the target and show it without any shimon control. Thats an extraordinarily dangerous phenomenon. Weve had the vast majority of governments around the world agree with us that these kind of kill a robot should be banned, but certain government, including the United States, russia and china, are reluctant to agree. So thats just one illustration, but i think more broadly there is in each to, you know, be much more attentive to technology than we have been. If you take, for example, you know, that the social media platforms, you know, theres much talk about suppressing disinformation white. But i think what we really need to look at is the algorithms that end up promoting information that hes engaging. Even when that information is often false or hateful information is very engaging, is profitable. The algorithms promote it, and thats why we have the call. So there is, i think in need to go beyond that. Somewhat simplistic. Do you take down or not, and begin to examine those. Ok. Before we run out of time, kid, i was trying to remember how many times we have spoken on the ear and its countless times over the, the past decade. And you know, apple, it of yours that youve always made the point to make yourself available to us. In the media, have journalists in your experience the past 3 decades, have they done all that . They can to tell the truth about the plight of people and human rights violations. Journalists are very much our ally thing. Of course, everybody you more, but you know, she read human rights. Flash gets things done is by, you know, spotlight in government. Hes unfortunately, todays world, every government has to lose for 10, that recession lice as an ac aspect of this region. And so he thought like a discrepancy between that now that you generalize, im sure was, are a central purpose in africa. They report on our findings, they do their own investigations. And so, you know, we do really look at journalists, i mean free media as an essential component of the defensive to kenneth wrought the head of Human Rights Watch soon to be the former head of Human Rights Watch. Can we appreciate your time and your insight to wish you all the best in a well deserved retirement . Thank you. Thank you. Well, the day is almost done. The conversation continues online. Youll find us on twitter, e w news. You can follow me on twitter at rent. Gov tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see you then if with with with generating a lot of height. The members working in Virtual World shopping in our digital doppelganger is the avatars. Are having fund, but is our data safe . And how do Companies Benefit we put on our ga. Gov and dive into the members made in germany with you in good shape. Keep your feet fit. After all, you use them all on the equivalent of about 4 trips around the world by the end of your life. 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