going into the major build-up areas, primarily kyiv, a city of 3 million and you are going to see street to street fighting, a lot of casualties, civilian casualties, and i think when you start seeing those visions of those people dying, the civilians, i think the world is going to say i'm tired of this, enough, stop. and i think what the united states could do is that, not get nato involved but go to the u.n. and articles 27 and 52, wait a second, a way to do this. a u.n. no fly zone, not a nato no fly zone where article 5 does not apply. >> john: who would enforce that? >> we would be involved under the u.n. cover. you need nine of the 15 votes of the u.n. security council to get it -- article 52 says if you are part of a conflicted party, you are supposed to, by u.n. rules, abstain. so if we can get interlock tory