like macron to pick up the phone and call putin and maybe president xi and say we want you both to abstain. putin is not winning this fight, he is losing this fight and look at ways to say well, where is my off ramp, and my off ramp with the economic problems, if the united nations comes in as a world body and says it's a u.n. no fly zone, keep nato out of the flight, high risk, of courses t, perfect plan, no, no plan is perfect but there is a way to do and at least explore it. >> john: interesting, and we go to the south, most of the action on the part of the russians. they have moved past kherson, heading toward another city which follows the road into odesa. i assume the russian plan is to surround the back part of odesa,