fire extinguishers were available, and the layout in general. what i ended up doing in the bunk room was we entered the bunk room and then went to the back bunk, went up the ladder, and then climbed over the bunk and through the hatch. we did that with the lights on and the lights off to get a sense of, could you see? actually, we couldn't see. so that was concerning. but it's important that we look into that. >> harris: okay, there is the visual. can you see your way out? my next question is, if the hatch is not that big and you've got 34 people, that's a lot of people to get through a porthole that maybe only fits one at a time. >> it's not just about seeing your way out. it's, can you get up the ladder come over the bunk, find the emergency escape hatch, and get up it? it's difficult to maneuver. >> harris: did you try opening