the voting starts, i think there are opportunities for people to emerge. i think klobuchar is still introducing herself to voters. a fair amount don't know who she is. when you look at polls of not who people support but democratic voters, what do they believe, there's a lot of evidence they are not generally as extreme as sanders and warren. so i think there is room for as you said a liberal, not a progressive leftist. paul: what do you think of that? some people think it's down to biden versus warren at this stage because bernie just -- he can't break through. he's got that core there, that core support from 2016 but he's basically -- he's giving the same talking points from 2016 and he's not going to build on that. what do you think? >> yeah, i certainly agree that this is a three person race. and that's why you saw some of the an particular -- antics youe stage, second tier candidates