On his push to get on the stage for the president ial debates. Its a Fox News Sunday exclusive. Plus, were ask our sunday panel whether trumps changing position on deporting Illegal Immigrants will gain or cost him support. And our power player of the week. After dominating in rio, whats next for Katie Ledecky. I havent been in the pool and im starting to itch to get back in. All right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. Its been an ugly week on the trail as donald trump and Hillary Clinton accused each other of racism. Meanwhi meanwhile, trump is under fire for a possible shift on immigration and clinton faces new allegations about her private emails and the Clinton Foundation. And we still have 72 days until the election. Joining me now is trumps new Campaign ManagerKellyanne Conway. Lets start with Hillary Clintons emails, almost 15,000 of them that the fbi has uncovered from her private server or from other accounts and handed over to the state department. The scandal over her private server and the Clinton Foundation has been going on for a year now, more than a year. What makes you think there is a gamechanger in this new batch . Chris, first, thanks for having me, giving the campaign a platform this morning. Hillary clinton achieved something this week that even i am impressed with. She made her trust problem even worse. And the new quinnipiac poll shows that 66 of americans think shes dishonest. Those numbers have actually gotten worse since she announced her campaign over a year ago. And shes earned that dishonesty and untrustworthiness because of the incidents you laid out, even though she said she had turned overall the emails to the fbi as part of their investigation, it turns out she has not. What director comey said last month about her being reckless and careless about things she had said not turning out to be true, we see that theres still more happening. And what is really amazing to me as put forth by abc news last night, laid out by the Associated Press this week, these arent right wing websites, showing americans the revolving door between the state department and the Clinton Foundation. And americans have the right to be concerned. This is our state department. This is our public entity. We dont want a Straight Line between the clinton bank account, the state department, the Clinton Foundation. It Shows Americans how she may do business if she were elected in the white house. Youve got your own issues with the trump campaign. This week began with donald trump appearing to back away from his pledge during the primaries that he was going to deport all 11 million illegals who are in this country. But by the end of the week, he seemed to be backing away from backing away. Leer he is. There certainly can be a softening because were not looking to hurt people. We want people we have some great people in this country. I dont think its a softening. 11 Million People are no longer going to be deported. Theres no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. Please clear this up for me. Is donald trump saying that if someone has come into this country illegally, so they broke the law, but they have broken no laws since then, been in the country for ten years, 20 years, without breaking any other laws, is he still going to deport them or is he going to let them stay . So what he has said is very consistent, chris. The signature piece of his legislation and his campaign has always been build a wall. That has not changed, build the wall. No amnesty. No citizenship. No more sanctuary cities. The face of our campaign will people like michelle and julie and laurie and agnes, these angel moms talking about the lot loss of their children murdered by Illegal Immigrants who should not have been here. Thats also part of if i may respectfully, if he said in the campaign and said it on the debate stage, i was there as one of the moderators, im going to set up a Deportation Force and all 11 Million People who have come into this country illegally have to go. Do they or dont they . He has said now he will look at that. The softening is more approach than policy, chris. In the clip you just played, you heard the words that followed it, that we need to have a fair and humane way of addressing the fact that 11 million or we dont even know the number 11 million or so Illegal Immigrants live among us. He wants to find a fair and humane way. If you enforce the law and deal with agencies that already exist to enforce the law, then well see what weve got. When nobody bothers to enforce the law, washington layers new laws on top of laws that dont work or arent enforced. But i think its important to look at the five or six i understand and i think you made them clear. I just want to be clear, though. What you seem to be saying, youre leaving the door open that President Trump would consider the possibility of giving people who have not committed more crimes to living in this country legally. What he has said is no legalization and no amnesty. He also said this week, chris, that if you youll go back to your home country and if youd like to come back to the United States as an immigrant, you need to apply through the many different channels that allow people to apply for citizenship or entry into the United States legally. Thats important. We all learned in kindergarten to stand in line to wait our turn. Now, the Deportation Force, i would like to address that. He hasnt mentioned that since last november or in the debates you pointed out. If you look at his Convention Speech last month, hes consistent on that in terms of addressing these many different areas of a very complex issue. I would really implore the viewers and others to look at the contrast between donald trump and Hillary Clinton on immigration. There are very few issues where theyre more different. Hillary clinton is to the left of barack obama on immigration. She has been critical of president obama deporting 2 million or more immigrants in this country. She said that she will use executive amnesty. Shes for catch and release. Shes for these sanctuary cities that harbor Illegal Immigrants. In the case of kate, he had been deported five times. Why is he here . So everything needs to be examined and looked upon. But give donald trump credit for at least trying to address a complex issue and not pretending like Hillary Clinton does that we dont have these problems. Donald trump has also been reaching out to africanamericans this week asking what do you have to lose after decades of democratic neglect. Here he is. Poverty, rejection, horrible education, no housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels that nobody has seen. But that totally misrepresents what blacks face in this country. Trump says black youth unemployment is 58 . Its actually 19 . 26 of blacks live in poverty, thats not good. But the vast majority do not. How can trump address the problem when he doesnt seem to understand what it really is . So as i understand it, the 58 refers to the number of africanamerican youth who are not working. And but youre right. Were also taking our message to africanamericans who are concerned about other things like lending, like housing, like discrimination. They may be they may live in safe neighborhoods with fine l sko schools, but it isnt what their children deserve. They deserve the same high quality education as other children. I sat with him and africanamericans on wednesday, i believe it was, or thursday. We had a roundtable. It was a productive conversation where he did most of the listening. They laid out their concerns i dont mean to interrupt. But we are unrunning out of time. Trump has been running for president , though, since june of 2015. Thats 14 months. Question, how many times has he gone into an american inner city and held an event for a largely black audience . I dont know the answer, but i can would you be surprised if the answer is none . Never . No, i would not be surprised and i will tell you, and i pledge to you and everybody whos watching that those events are actually being planned. And were very excited about them. Look, john mccain and mitt romney are fine, theyre wonderful human beings, great americans. John mccain got 4 of the africanamerican vote and mitt romney improved that to 6 . Were fighting for every single vote and were going to leave it all on the field. That includes going where the voters are but you say that you say that, the fact is in 14 months hes never once been in an inner city and held an event for black americans. Theres a tweet that mr. Trump sent yesterday, im sure youre familiar with it after the tragic shooting of the cousin of basketball star dwyane wade, trump tweeted, just what ive been saying, africanamericans will vote trump. Do you think its right to have that kind of a political response to a personal tragedy . I was pleased that his next tweet expressed his condolences in the wade family about the death of his cousin. That horrifying example of a woman who had just signed up for children for school pushing a baby stroller, that that is a nonpart nonpartisan issue that should sicken us all. I also would express my condolences to the entire family. Chris, im new to this post and hes going to take this case right to people where they live. Were fighting for every both, every ethnicity, both genders. This is an american president ial election. Look what Hillary Clinton did this week. She missed another opportunity to deliver a speech about obamacare, energy or infrastructure, economy or isis. She went and elevated personal insults into an art form. Let me ask you about that because Hillary Clinton in the speech youre talking about said that donald trump is taking hate groups mainstream. Here she is. Racists now call themselves racialists. White supremacists now call themselves white nationalists. The paranoid fringe now calls itself altright. But the hate burns just as bright. You say that that shes making personal insults. But she does have a point. The new ceo of the campaign, i guess hes your boss, is steve bannon, the head of bright bart news. Heres some of his headlines, Birth Control makes women unattractive and crazy. And would you rather your child have feminism or cancer. And he has called Breitbart Bannon has called breitbart, the platform for the altright. He chose me to manage his campaign and i report directly to him. I will say this. The idea that Hillary Clinton who has been in public life for 30 years gives a speech this week, chris, about it was totally contentfree, policyfree address about consultants, its just remarkable to me. I understand hillarys campaign is now a hot mess. Revelation after revelation about the Clinton Foundation. Brandnew reports just overnight. Theres a new poll this morning showing that we caught her lead nationally from six points to three points in just a matter of two weeks. Why . Because people are uncomfortable voting for someone that they think is corrupt and rigged. I know shes trying to divert attention away from her campaign and her state Department Email scandals, Clinton Foundation, donations in the tens of millions of dollars by talking about consultants, but the fact is that the hot mess that has become the hillary candidacy cannot escape the fact that the majority of americans think she is corrupt and rigged and theyre not going to want that in their next president. Ive got about 30 seconds left there is a report that donald trump is holding a debate prep session today at his golf course in new jersey. One, is that true and secondly, how is he preparing for debates . Is it true that laura ingram is going to play Hillary Clinton . Ill be at lunch. Im sure well have a lively conversation. Hes an unconventional candidate. Hes not going to prepare the way hillary does which is locking her in a room and cramming her head with binders and get the hollywood types that she raised millions of dollars with this week. She was in hollywood raising money. Shell have them helping her consult. He will be prepared for these debat debates. Just in the last two weeks on defeating radical islamic terrorism on middle class tax relief, on but is he going just real quickly. Is he going to hold mock debate . He might. Remember this idea of role playing Hillary Clinton. L laura is a fend of all of ours. We take advice and we take counsel from many different people who have experience and mean to be helpful. But this the donald trump, the authentic donald trump who has been taking his case directly to the voters is the one youll see on the debate stage with Hillary Clinton. I think theyre nervous in the clinton camp. She is the scripted Hillary Clinton that basically needs to memorize lines. You saw these two interviews she gave by phone this week. She obviously was reading is depression more than sadness . Its a tangle of multiple symptoms. Trintellix vortioxetine is a prescription medicine for depression. 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My friends know me so well. S they can tell what im thinking, just by looking in my eyes. They can tell when im really excited and thrilled. And they know when im not so excited and thrilled. But what they didnt know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. But i knew. So i finally decided to show my eyes some love. Some eyelove. When is it chronic dry eye . To find out more, chat with your eye doctor and go to myeyelove. Com. Its all about eyelove, my friends. Hillary clinton ran the state Department Like a personal hedge fund. Its hard to tell where the Clinton Foundation ends and where the state department begins. Neither my husband, my daughter, nor i have ever taken a penny of the salary from the foundation. My work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. Hillary clinton on defense, responding to Donald Trumps new focus on links between the foundation and Hillary Clintons tenure as secretary of state. And its time now for our sunday group. Syndicated columnist george will. Fox news political analyst juan williams. Susan page from usa today. And gop strategist karl rove. I want to start with the remarkable number that the Associated Press came up with this week and that Kellyanne Conway just referred to. During the first half of clintons time as secretary of state she met with 154 people from private interests, not u. S. Or foreign officials. 85 of them, more than half, were donors to the Clinton Foundation who contributed as much as 156 million to the foundation. Karl, i dont have to tell you, money does buy access in this town. Is there anything new here . Yes. The volume is jawdropping. You left out another number. Nearly 150 phone messages left by the ceo of the Clinton Foundation for cheryl mills, Hillary Clintons chief of staff. How many phone calls was she able to receive beyond that . This is in a twoyear period. She left a message every three days. Looks like she was constantly in communications. Hillary clinton says i know theres a lot of smoke there, and theres no fire. Well, theres a lot of fire there. The more we look at this, the more we see favors being traded, people being appointed to boards they shouldnt have been on. People attending meetings they shouldnt have been at. People being invited to state dinners. People being able to circumvent the normal processes of the state department in order to get special pleading in front of the secretary. Juan, when you see all of the emails from people in the Clinton Foundation to cheryl mills to huma abadeen, when you see that, does it trouble you, the coziness of the relationship . Yes, it sets off alarms in my mind as a journalist. Even before the phone calls and the like, the whole structure seems to me to invite suspicion, the idea that theres some quid pro quo for access going on. Its concerning. In all fairness, i think the foundation does good work, malaria, hiv, and the like. But theres no getting away from the appearance of impropriety here. Im astounded that this foundation has existed since, in fact, 1997. During president clintons tenure. I dont understand how she mrs. Clinton doesnt see that this would invite people including the boston globe ed rendell fellow democrats to see this is a problem, you cant do this. She had to sign an agreement with the Obama Administration which she apparently violated by going about these kind of phone calls, meeting people, even if its i dont think theres any evidence of impropriety. Just by the standards you set, lots of people say access is for money in this town. Still, if there is no evidence of illegality, the appearance of trouble abounds. Let me just quickly pick up with you on karl. That is the defense of the Clinton Campaign at this point. Theres no smoking gun. Theres no official act that was done. Theres plenty of smoking guns available. Steve hayes has a great piece in this weeks weekly standard. Let me just give you one example. The largest donor from ireland who gave between 10 million and 25 million is dennis obrian. He has the cell phone concession in haiti. When the earthquake happens, what happens . He ends up getting u. S. Aid grant, he participated in a grant for the development of mobile banking put together by u. S. Aid and the gates foundation. He starts parting with u. S. Aid on initiatives. And all the money the federal government is putting in is spelled out, but never is it spelled out whats being put in by him. Then bill clinton personally intercedes and arranges for the construction of a 45 Million Luxury Hotel owned by him, works it out with marriott to build the hotel, goes to a World Bank Affiliate to get the money, and presides over the dedication ceremony. Hes the largest contributor from ireland. There was another revolution revelation this week about clinton and emails. Thats the fact that the fbi had apparently uncovered almost 15,000 new ones that we didnt know about either from this supposedly wiped clean server or from other peoples email accounts. And because of lawsuits, theres going to be a steady release of emails from now through steady release of emails from now through election day. How big a deal is that . Its important, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. Its worse and worse, and because its all tangled up in the foundation. This illustrates the clintons graspiness, a word the Washington Post used in an editorial 15 years ago when the clintons absconded with some of the white house furniture. Weve done down this path before. Is this a big deal electorally . Ive got my doubts. I dont know how many people remain to be persuaded. Voting begins in this country on september 23rd. Its coming up fast, north, south dakota, i think minnesota. The five of us are peculiar people. Were really interested in all the details of this. 30 of americans could name their two senators. A majority of americans cant name the three branches of government. Theyre not paying that much attention. Well, i want to pick up on that because thats what we asked you for questions, and that was the political impact of these new revelations about the emails. You had a lot of answers. One on facebook, does anything matter when her supporters dont care . I love this one, bill smith sent this on twitter, if you want me to tweet about this, donate to the bill foundation, 10 administration fee, and pay my wife to make a speech. Susan, this has been going on, whether its the private emails, the Clinton Foundation, at least since march of 2015. I guess the question is, if people if a voter hasnt been turned off already and obviously she has a lead in the polls are these new revelations going to turn them off and make them change their mind . I think the election is partly baked, but its not entirely baked. We have a Morning Consult poll on this shows only a 3 lead for clinton. It does reinforce the reputation she has with the voters. It does show that she pushes the envelope. Theres no evidence that anything was criminal. Its not even unusual. It is politically unsavory. I actually think it reinforces not only questions about honesty and trustworthiness, but the idea that she is a creature of the status quo in a year when americans are hungry for change. Does the fact we were talking about this does the coziness of the relationship, the fact that she met with 85 people, the fact that it seems that doug band, one of the top Clinton Foundation officials and also a personal aide to bill clinton, is just back and forth all the time, sending notes to cheryl mills and uma abadeen with various asks. Pretty cozy and pretty predictable. This was raised at the time she was confirmed as secretary of state. And what is surprising is she didnt do more to address this way in which washington works. You ask any elected official if they take a call from a big donor or are willing to meet with a big donor, and theyll say yes, but it is entirely entirely have predicted that she would be in this place, in this president ial election if she proceeded the way she did. Well take a break. Well see you a little later. Up next, the libertarian partys president ial nominee, governor gary johnson, whos at almost 10 in the polls and says hes going to play a big role in november. Plus, what do you think does johnson have a shot at swinging the election . Let me know on facebook or twitter foxnewssunday. Use the hash tag fns. A look outside the beltway at Carlsbad CavernsNational Park in new mexico as the National Park service celebrates 100 years. Well, hes the former republican governor of new mexico and now the libertarian partys president ial nominee who says he has a path to victory in this election. Joining us now, gary johnson. Governor, welcome to Fox News Sunday. Chris, thanks. Your Campaign Manager says you have a twopart strategy to win the white house. The first part is that you have to get on that stage for the president ial debate starting september 26th. In the real clear politics average of recent polls, youre at 8 . So you and you need to reach 15 to get on the stage. Would you agree that if you dont get into the debates, its game over . Winning the election, yes. I would say game over. Winning the election. But the president ial Debate Commission has identified five polls. Were at 10 flat on those five polls. And thats an increase really of probably about 4 consensus over the last six or seven weeks. Were optimistic that were going to get into the debates. Were spending money right now in many states, in five states right now. Im at 16 . So im just really optimistic. Okay. So now you get on the debate stage. Now this brings us to phase two which is, as i understand it, is to keep both clinton and trump from reaching the majority of 270 electoral votes to be elected president. Throw the race into the house of representatives where you say that you could win and in that case, each state gets one vote, that you could win on a second ballot. How does that happen . Well, the object is to win outright. And its not impossible that if we go into the president ial debates with the polarization of clinton and trump that we might actually run the table on all this. And im talking about me and bill wells, two former republican governors reelected in heavily democrat states. Now former governor of massachusetts. Yeah. I dont think theres any arguing that we did make differences in our state being fiscally conservative, socially inclusive. Ill add to that that were really skeptical about intervening militarily to achieve regime change that i think has resulted in a lesssafe world. So i think that we represent about 60 of americans with that philosophical belief. Lets get into that. Because you say the key to your candidacy is if people sit down and compare you to clinton and trump on the issues, theyre going to pick you. Lets do a lightning round. Quick answers, quick questions on a variety of issues. International trade . Free trade. Supporting ipp. Its a good thing. Free trade. More jobs. The tpp the tpp. The pacific trade group. Yeah. Were the only ones that support it. Immigration . Make it as easy as possible to come into this country and work. To be able to get a work visa, a work visa should entail a background check and Social Security card. Dont build a wall across the border. These are hardworking individuals that are taking jobs that u. S. Citizens dont want. What about the 11 Million People an arbitrary number but the millions who are already in this country illegal . Complete misunderstanding of why theyre here in the first place. The reason theyre here in the first place is you cannot get a work visa to come into this country and work. And theyre hard working, cream of the crop when it comes to workers. You or i in that same position where jobs exist in the United States, that u. S. Citizens dont want, you or i would be crossing illegally to take those jobs just like theyre doing would you give them amnesty . I would set up where they could come in the door, get a work visa as long as theyve been law abiding. With regard to citizenship, there needs to be a pathway to look, with regard to those that are in the country that are undocumented, theyre not going to jump the line. But thats part of comprehensive Immigration Reform that bill weld and i think we can bring democrats and republicans to the table over. Look, hillary or clinton isnt the polarization in Congress Going to be greater than ever . Does anybody believe that anything is going to get better in congress . Our pitch is the third alternative which is a couple of libertarians in the middle, hiring a bipartisan administration. Everybody libertarian leaning. But i think you could make a case that the third scenario might work. I want to drill down on a couple of issues. You want to cut spending by 20 you say balancing the federal budget, yes. And you call for eliminating these departments the irs, commerce, education, the fda, dea Drug Enforcement and the National Security agency. Governor actually, the ones im citing by the way, were all those are on your website. Well, not on my website. You might read that on some other website. Look, were not getting elected dictator here or king. Were getting elected president , vice president. You dont think any of those agencies do any good . Well, in the case of education, in the case of commerce and there are some vital functions in these agencies, but do they require an entire agency . I dont think so. But education, commerce, housing and urban development, Homeland Security. Why is Homeland Security an agency unto itself . Shouldnt it be a part of the fbi . Those are the ones that i am advocating out of the chute. Then there are taxes. You want to eliminate the federal income tax, the Corporate Tax and replace them with a consumption tax, a National Sales tax. Experts on both sides of the aisle say that this would be highly regressive. That rich folks are going to make out like bandits, and its going to end up hitting the poor and the middle class. Well, of course were not getting elected dictator or king. I know, but no, no what youre saying there, governor let me make youre saying when you say were not going to be elected dictator. Youre saying dont take my policies seriously because they wont get through. Take them very seriously. Were always going to support taxes going lower. Were going to always support being in business situations getting better. That said, if i could wave a magic wand, i would eliminate income tax, Corporate Tax. I would replace it with one federal consumption tax. I put up the fair tax as a template for how you accomplish one federal consumption tax. Youre right about a consumption tax being regressive. The way that the fair tax deals with that is it issues everyone a prebate check of 200 a month that allows everyone to pay the consumption tax up to the point of the poverty level. I maintain that if we had zero Corporate Tax which you and i paid for, i maintain that would create tens of millions of jobs and also issue pink slips to 80 of but the even if you have the free bate, that helps the poor, but the rich still make out because theres no tax on their income. No tax on their let me finish. No tax on their savings. Now youre hitting the middle class. Were going to pay more. Im going to argue that the more money you make, the more money you consume, the more tax youre going to pay, this is a proposal. The fair tax is a proposal that has been before congress for about ten years. Every year, 80 congressmen and women sign on to it. So its been pretty well vetted out there. Okay. I want to switch to foreign policy. You say you are a noninterventionist. You say that the threat from radical islam is overblown. You dont want boots on the ground. You say that air strikes from planes or from drones have unintended consequences. The question is, whats your plan to stop isis . Well, i do believe that if you want to look at isis that they are regionally contained. Think of them as sands through an hourglass. Were going to see those sands through the hourglass. There was a poll a couple of weeks ago wait a minute. What happens to the attack in belgium . What happened with the attack in San Bernardino . What about the attacks in france . We can call these isis inspired attacks. Do they come directly, geographically from isis . In the case of france, they seem to, yes. Well, chris, a poll among active military personnel two weeks ago, who do they favor for president of the United States . Me. So what are they saying . What theyre saying is judicious use of the military. If were attacked, were going to attack back, but the fact that we involve ourselves in regime change has resulted in the unintended consequence of making things worse, not better. Nobodys standing up to this. Hillary clinton, barack obama, not intentional. They go in, they support the opposition in libya and syria. The oppositions aligned with isis. We arm on the opposition. Now those arms are in isis hands. This is the unintended consequence of our foreign policy. So basically were going to contain isis, were not going to eradicate it . Well, if we eradicate it and hey, not that were going to continue to stay engaged in that, but there will be a void. When that gets eliminated we didnt even hear about isis until two years ago. This was al qaeda until it became isis. Wipe out isis, and it will be something else. Look, the biggest threat in the world right now is north korea. We need to deal with the civil war in syria. Thats joining hands with russia diplomatically to see that through. Biggest threat in the world, north korea. We need to join arms join hands with china to deal with that diplomatic. One more question for you. Weve got less than a minute left. Until january, you were the ceo of something called cannabis bativa. I guess i pronounced that correctly. Its a marijuana marketing company. Question of all the things in the world you could be involved with, why sell pot . Well, in this case, marijuana products which directly compete with legal prescription drugs on the medical front dont kill anybody. Not one documented death, and yet these drugs do marijuana, cannabis does compete, does provide that relief. So it seems to me that there needs to be research and development in this area that cant currently happen because marijuana is listed as a class1 narcotic. As president of the United States, i would delist marijuana as a classone narcotic. This is going to be an issue left up to the states just like alcohol. Then on the recreational side of this, chris, i have always believed that legalizing marijuana will lead to less overall Substance Abuse because its so much safer than Everything Else thats out there starting with alcohol. Governor johnson, thank you. Chris, thank you. Thanks for coming in. You know how crazy this election cycle is. I might be the next president. You know that, right . Well, and i hope you give me your first interview in the white house there we go. Safe travels on the campaign trail. Thank you very much. Appreciate the opportunity to be here. Up next, well bring back our sunday group to discuss Donald Trumps move to broaden his base and his changing rhetoric on deportation. I had very strong people come up to me, great, great people come up to me, and theyve said, mr. Trump, i love you. But to take a person thats been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, its so tough. I have i have it all the time. [ shouting ] its a very, very hard things. Donald trump opening the door this week to possibly moving more to the center on immigration policy. Were back now with the panel. Karl, its been fascinating to watch trump this week on this issue. First he said there was a softening. Then by the end of the week he said theres a hardening. Is his opening the door to possibly softening on the idea of deporting all 11 Million People in this country illegally, is that good politics . Well, its good general election politics. Also, this is not the first time he did it. You know, theres a theres a continual confusion about where he is on this issue. I remind you, last year he said im going build the wall. Then he said im going to build the wall, and well put a big, beautiful door in it so they can come back. Leaving the impression all you had to do was touchback. This is senator kay hutchinsons proposal in 2006, 2007. If you are here illegally, youve got to touchback. This is not the first time he brought it up. There is confusion. Does he want to deport people or not, does he want a touch back or not, and does he support some form of legal status for individuals. My suggestion is that he is better off getting a position, clarifying it, and sticking with. I would prefer for the general election that he soften, that is return to his position of last fall to say people who have been here for a long time, kept their nose clean, raised their families, paid their taxes, you know, are employed, they have some path to a legal status. It will be it will contrast to a jeb bush and say that sounds like where jeb bush was. But frankly, thats where he sort was last year and wsa again there temporarily this week. Susan, let me pick up on that with you. Hes been having this debate in public. And you had the hannity town hall, the interview with anderson cooper. Its been a moving target. Is that the right way to handle this, or as karl suggests, he should come up with a position and stick to it . And is this about actually trying to win hispanic votes, or is this about trying to get that white republican moderate suburban woman who is worried that hes a racist . 72 days before the election, he is debating with himself about his stance on the signature issue that launched his campaign. I think thats quite extraordinary. It raises concerns among his core supporters, worried hes moving away from the hard line that was appealing to them initially. I think its less than persuasive to the voters hes reaching out to. I spent yesterday in the philadelphia suburbs talking to white suburban reporters who are very much in flux in this election. They are quite concerned about whether donald trump is intolerant. And they are unpersuaded by this public debate thats been going on for a week or so. So hes getting the worst of both worlds. Thats right. Hes raising concerns among people on the right who think that a hard line on immigration is the most powerful position taken the one that got them to support him in the first place. And we had trump reaching out to africanamerican voters what do you have to lose after years of neglect. And then this. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. We have this remarkable moment in my interview with Kellyanne Conway where i presented the fact that donald trump and hes been 14 months into the campaign that he has not held a single event devoted to a largely africanamerican community. The campaign is talking about going into the inner city. Dr. Ben carson is going to be his escort, if you will, into those parts of america. How is that going to play . I dont think it has any chance. Again, to come back with something that susan said, i dont think its about the black community, the latino community, its about trying to consolidate the republican base, especially collegeeducated white republicans and specifically women who dont want to be associated with a racially charged campaign. When you look at the numbers, 35 of all americans think trump is a racist. 56 think that hes biased against minorities and women. If you go into the republicans, its Something Like 20 of republican men think trump is a bias person and a quarter of republican women. Thats a problem. So right now, chris, hes getting 1 in the latest fox poll, 1 among black voters. Hes down 46 among latino voters. Theres almost no chance that hes going to make substantial inroads in that vote. Then, there was Hillary Clintons attack on trump this week saying hes taking mainstream making mainstream hate moves like the altright National Campaign movement. Her Campaign Even made a video and here it is on the screen members of the ku klux klan supporting trump. George, do you think that attack has traction . I dont think so, nor should it. There are about 123 Million People in this country and a few of them are lunatics and vicious and the altright is probably largely both. That doesnt mean they are taking over our great parties. They are attaching themselves like a barnicle to the ship. Weve seen this before. In 1964, the John Birch Society ran by a man named welch. Its not fair to define donald trump by david duke of the ku klux klan any more than it would be fair to define Hillary Clinton by some of her supporters who i guarantee you believe that the United States caus caused 9 11. When you hear them say that donald trump has practiced textbook racism, i think thats a little bit nauseous. Cher said that trump is a racist, insane, reminds her of Adolph Hitler and Hillary Clinton said were so excited that cher is with us she alwa. Weve got to go. Thank you, panel. Up next, our power player of the week. Americas golden girl on her future in and out of the pool. All you need is love plays my eyelove is finding a different angle. My eyelove is season 1, episode 1. My eyelove is making a story come alive. Eyelove is all the things we love to do with our eyes. But its also having a chat with your eye doctor about dry eyes that interrupt the things you love. Because if your eyes feel dry, itchy, gritty, or you have occasional blurry vision, it could be chronic dry eye. Go to myeyelove. Com and feel the love. [ tires screech ] flo [ ghost voice ] oooo [ laughs ] jaaaaamie, the name your price tool can show you Coverage Options to fit your budget. Tell me something i dont know oh ohhh she slimed me. Which i probably shouldve seen coming. [ laughs ] weve been following Katie Ledecky for two years now after her upset victory at the london olympics and geared up for 2016. Like all of you, we celebrated her victories in rio. We were delighted to catch up with her to discuss all shes accomplished and whats next. Heres our power player of the week. Its pretty sweet. Im still smiling a lot. My cheeks are hurting. Its good to be Katie Ledecky these days. Shes made a triumphant return to washington. She got bryce harper to hold her medals while she threw out the first pitch at the nationals game and went back to her former school to meet with students. What is Michael Phelps like . Hes nice. Good swimmer. I love answering the questions and sharing the moments with them and hopefully inspire them to dream. What makes it especially sweet, katie can look back on the olympics with a sense of total fulfillment. I achieved all of my goals in rio and thats the best feeling any swimmer, any athlete, i think, can have. Katie set those goals three years ago. She was swimming 3 59 for the 400meter free style. She went 3 56 in rio. She was swimming 8 11 for the 800. She went 8 04 and broke her own world record. When we set those goals, those were pretty out there. And so katie had Michael Phelps helping her arrange her five medals for a cover shoot. I put them on one by one. Each one means years and years of hard work. Is the silver the stepchild . No. Its just as special as the others. We broke the american record and we got silver to the Australian Team that broke the world record. So we couldnt have done any better that day. We first met katie two years ago when she was 17. After a shocking victory at the london olympics. The numbers dont lie. They show what you do in practice and i love that aspect of it. Now 19, shes grown up. For someone as goaloriented as you, whats it like when you have met all your goals. Its a good feeling and its been, you know, now a week or a week and a half since the olympics and i havent been in the pool and im starting to itch to get back in and are you serious . Yeah. While katie had a great olympics, teammate ryan lochte created an International Incident with his false report of being robbed. Whats the lesson . Just take care of business in the pool, i think, just what we do in the pool is important and also how we represent ourselves outside of the water as well. Katie is getting ready to Start College at stanford to begin her next chapter as a student athlete. But the call of the olympics is still there. Hopefully ill make it to 2020 and i know ill have some goals for that and im looking forward to representing my country again. Do you think you can go even lower . Well see. I have a little bit of a cushion, maybe, but i know the world will start catching up and ill have to, you know, stay at the level im at or get faster. Katie was the youngest swimmer of the u. S. Swim team, which is why she talks about competing in the 2024 olympics at the ripe old age of 27. And thats it for today. Have a great week. Well see you next Fox News Sunday. Hear his answer tomorro 9 00 p. M. See you then. Welcome to hannity, and we are broadcasting live from the acl theater in austin, texas, part two of our exclusive event with republican president ial nominee donald trump. Last night you heard the heartbreaking stories of family members whose loved ones were kill by Illegal Immigrants and we also showed you a lot of statistics on the impact that illegal immigration is having on you, the american people, and well be putting those slides and information up on the screen all night. 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