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In public, its a big change with big implications, and we will follow it. Meantime, foxs Rick Leventhal joins us with that and a look the latest numbers across new york in the country. Hey, rick. Hey, tucker. We just learned about those new guidelines at the cdc White House Briefing this afternoon where they urged americans to wear nonmedical cloth Face Coverings. The president added this. We know that the transmission from individuals without symptoms is playing a more significant role in the spread of the virus than previously understood, so you dont seem to have symptoms and it still gets transferred. In light of these studies, the cdc is advising the use of nonmedical, coiffed Face Covering as an additional, voluntary Public Health measure. New york remains the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, with 562 deaths in just 24 hours, and authorities fear whats happening here could start happening across the country with michigan, louisiana, and georgia the next predicted hot spots based on death rates at proportion of residents testing positive. Indiana, illinois, and connecticut also showing spikes and infections with the next major city to claim the epicenter title possibly detroit, showing a sharp rise in infections and deaths they are. Of course, new york, new jersey still the hardest hit states with 35 of those tested having the virus. The pentagon trying to help in one way, allowing a temporary facility built at Javits Convention center to take in covid19 patients with up to 3,000 extra beds and the chairman of the joint chief of staff, tucker, now reconsiderine usns comfort behind here not taken covid19 patients because its not set up to do that. We can also tell you that after three days, they dont have three cases on boards, 20 cases as of last night, but a thousand beds, and they are now trying to so they canrotocol get more noncovid patients at least onto this ship, and i think they will be able to do that. Very, very soon. Tucker . Tucker rick, thanks a lot for that report. Appreciate it. Well cover the administrations masked guidance is a welcome change, but if you read carefuly you will recognize it recommends cloth coverings over your mouth, not necessarily medical masks, and theres a reason for that. The reason is this america doesnt produce nearly enough medical masks. As we showed last night, some of the masks we do produce, some are made abroad, and are not making their way to american hospitals. What i asked 3m, are they aware that they areha authorized atdistributors . U. S. Companies are telling me that the reason why our borders are being pushed down is because Foreign Countries are showing up with cash to purchase the orders, and when i told 3m that, not only did they not disputed, i asked them if they put out any guidance to prevent the behavios no. When i asked 3m, you know, what is your production, they said they are making 10 Million Masks a week, andil i said great, i he money, like to purchase some of those. They said i couldnt. Tucker thats infuriating. Today, thank heaven, the president invoked the defense production act to ban for the export and signale sing about wm for specific criticism. We are not happy, the people at dell directly or not at all happy. I we are not happy with 3m. Tucker earlier today, the ceo of 3m went on television to deny that his company has done anything wrong. The idea that 3m is not doing all it can to fight price gouging and unauthorized reselling is absurd. We have increased our production, as you said, by millions and millions, and we are bringing more respirators in orfrom china. We are net importing into the u. S. , and weve been telling the administration for days and days. Itss important, david, that yu understand, we are more than happy to shift our overseas production to the u. S. , but there are going to be consequences on a humanitarian level, as we are the sole and often the sole provider of respirators and countries around the world. Tucker Peter Navarro is the white house trade advisor and were happy to have him. Thanks so much for coming on. Its always a tipoff, i think, when you hear someone respond to a question nobody asked, and you just saw the ceo of 3m defend his company against charges that they had prioritized other countries over the United States by saying we are not engaging in price gouging. That wasnt the accusation. So 3m was shipping masks to other countries than the United States. Well that ends now . 3m needs to stop whining and just t produce masks, get them o the american people. With the hundreds of ceos on the front lineed here is in President Trumps war against the virus, and 3m has been doing nothing but dissembling. Cant get any data out of them. And heres the thing, tucker, 3m is operating as if they sovereign nation, its press department it seems like it wants to be the secretary of and what they are clearly doing as a Multinational Corporation which officers much of our production is basically going through this calculus, as a sovereign nation, of the shortterm interests of americans dying at the front lines versus their longterm business interests. The president re just signed literally, i just came from the west wing, he just signed a defense production act which is going to crack down on the export of masks by two types of bad actors one are these brokers operating in shady black markets that have been vacuuming up masks and other protective gear here and exporting, and wei are going to stop that right at the border with the help of cdp on the post office. Express mail consignors. And apropos of your great segment last night with the guy from florida, these distributors who are instead of taking that money and running offshore, thats going to stop. So President Trump, the commander in chief, attorney general barr is the sheriff in town, and we are cracking down on that. To your point about what we are going to expect from 3m, 3m is basically going to be helping thismerican people fight battle. There will still be some exports from the United States factories to our friends in mexico and canada, but as for the rest of 3ms production, around the world, we are going to try to get our fair share we will get our fair share, that, and 3m tucker, these guys have got to stop whining and spinning and just do business with the american people. Its, like, exhausting to work with these people, and we dont have the hours, much less the minutes, to deal with them. Tucker exactly. Wow, come on. Tucker Peter Navarro. The most plainspoken o officialn government, thank you. Thank you, im aware that as a badge of honor. Tucker you ought to, its a rare thing. Well, the emergence of a new and dangerous form of the coronavirus became known to the public outside of china about three months ago. The first case in this country appeared on january 21st of this year. Since the middle of march,ry muh of america has been locked down. Were three weeks into the largest and most disruptive response to a National Emergency in our lifetimes. And yet, in thehe middle of tha, you often get the feeling that our leaders are making up detailsho ad hoc as they move forward, and there is an example of that today. Why . There waiting to receive the details of what to do next from the professionals they have gathered from the for direction, and it makes sense. Chief among experts crafting National Policy is a 79yearold physician from brooklyn called Anthony Fauci. Fauci certainly has the credentials for the job, graduated first in his class from Cornell Medical School and spent half a century practicing medicine. Hes been director of the National Institute of allergy and d Infectious Diseases since 1984. For perspective, those of us who are 50 were freshman in high school when he started there, so you cant say hes not experienced, he definitelyhe is. Weve interviewed dr. Fauci t respectfully on this program and we would gladly do that again. If he came back, and we hope you will come back, he is an impressive person. But that does not mean he is never wrong. On the question of this pandemic, fauci has been wrong repeatedly. In january 21st, he appeared on television, foron example, to reassure the public that the wuhan coronavirus was not worth worrying about. Bottom line, we dont have to worry about this one, right . Well, you know, obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things that the cdc and the department of Homeland Security are doing, but this is not a major threat to the people in the United States, and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about. Tucker its not a major threat. So two days after he made the appearance you just saw, Chinese Security forces quarantined an entire city of 11 Million People. In some cases, they locked residents inside their homes from the outside, and some died there. The chinese authorities were clearly panicked by what was happening. But Anthony Fauci was not. He assuredng americans that whie they might want to reconsider immediate travel plans to wuhan, going to the super bowl was absolutely fine. As it turned out, it was not fine at all. Florida Governor Ron Desantis believes the super bowl might have been a breeding ground for the spread of a virus. February 17, coronavirus cases were starting to appear all over the world than it a was a real concern. He once again reassure the American Public the danger in this country was just minuscule. He said people ought to worry about the real and present danger of the annual flu than about coronavirus. To be clear, we are not attacking tony fauci for getting it wrong on coronavirus. Most people did get it wrong. In and out of medicine. Its never easy predicting which faraway problems will become imminent crises at home. Leave me experts make big mistakes they are human beings come they make human. Mistakes. And thats exactly the point we ought to remember going forward. Human beings frequently underestimate risk, particularly risk on the horizon. They very often im in turn, overreact to risk once they ri oidentify it. We maybe watching that happen twright now. Anthony fauci told us not to worry about this epidemic, and now hes demanding the federalal government quarantined the entire country. Doesnt make sense to you that some states are still not issuing stayathome orders . Whether there should be a federally mandated directive for that or not, i guess thats more of a political question, but just scientifically, doesnt everybody have to be on the same page with the stuff . T yeah. I think so, enters in. I dont understand why thats not happening. As you said, the tension between federally mandated versus states rights to do what they want to something i dont want to g get into, but you look at whats going on in this country, i just dont understand why we are not doing that. We really should be. Tucker and nationally, federally mandated shutdown. So how long would such a shutdown last . Just two days ago, Anthony Fauci suggested the country should remain under quarantine until there are no more Coronavirus Infections and no more deaths. He did not suggest when that might be, if ever. But politicians followed his lead anyway. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam shuttered his state until june 10th. A source tonight reports andrew cuomo has privately discussed mocking them state of new york until possibly fall. Meanwhile, various epidemiologists are talking about putting the entire nation on a year of cycle shutdowns, that means americans would be allowed back to work, ordered home again, back to work come over and over again. To be clear, these are extreme measures. We can only guess at the social and economic destruction they might wreak, but it would be profound, that is for sure. With this much at stake, its important toto know more about e Science Behind these proposed policies. So what is the science . It begins with sophisticated computer models that begin where and how quickly the virus will spread. The purpose of thesehe predict predictions, is c to come as youvett often heard, flatten te curve. Not necessarily lower the death rate, havent been able to do that much, but slow the spread over a longer period lack of time. Why . If everyone were to get sick at once, the Health Care System would collapse, and many sick vepeople will be left without care, there will be a disaster. We are trying hard to prevent it, and we should. But it means these predictions really w matter. How reliable have they been . Well, many policy makers have the ih and e. By some measures of death rates, that model has been accurate. It predicted 1,036 deaths nationwide, that turned out to d today, it protects about 1200, and judging at the numbers at eight 14 eastern time, that should be accurate. But on more important numbers, these productions have been terrible, and best. As of yesterday, the ih mbe model predicted the country would need 135,00 135,000 hospis to treat coronavirus patients. New york alone the bottles predicted wouldne need 600,000. That turned out to be not even close. Yesterday, new york was at about 13,400 coronavirus hospitalizations, not even a quarter of what the model predicted. Thats closer than what the model force on other states. For example, it predicted oklahoma and would need 1,000 hospital beds. How many are using now . 38. St louisiana was forecastas me 5,80 beds, n and the state yesterday had 1600 hospitalizations, just a small fraction. And so on and so on. Nationwide, just three states had more hospitalizations than the model predicted commended all three of those, they were small states with very small outbreaks so far. So why does this matter . Heres the problem getting numbers so horribly wrong, these numbers have driven massively disruptive government policy. Our entirey National Shutdown is based on the fear that coronavirus patients would overwhelm hospitals. Outside of parts of new york city, that has not happened. And we are glad for that, but we are concerned about what weve done to prevent it on the basis of models, that have been wrong. Still flip it on its head. What would have happened if the model had been accurate . If it accurately predicted how many hospital beds we need . If we knew that, would we have quarantined the country . Thats a good question. Unfortunately, its too late now. More than 10 million americans have already lost their jobs. Imagine another year of this. That i would be national suicide, and yet, that is what Anthony Fauci is suggesting, at least. Now, we are not suggesting fauci wants to hurt america, we dont think he does. When he seemed like a very decent man. But fauci is not an economist, or for that matter, someone who fears being unemployed himself. Let most of the people around him not an attack, just an observation fauci has bullet proof job security. Hes not thinking that way. He has the luxury of looking at the world through the narrow lens of his profession. He doesnt think much outside thatat minds. Watch this exchange from nbcs morning show yesterday. I know its difficult, having a lot of suffering at a lot of death. This is inconvenient from an economic and a personal standpoint, but we just have to do it tucker inconvenient . 10 million americans out of work and staring at poverty, that is notth inconvenient, as you jut her dr. Fauci put it, its horrifying. In fact, its a farm bigger disaster than the virus itself, by any measure. Tony found you, decent as he may be a comment cant see that because he doesnt think its his h job to see it. But even a doctor should be able to think beyond the model. Our response to coronavirus could turn this into a far poorer nation. Poor countries are unhealthy countries, always and everywhere. Poor countries, people die of treatable diseases, far more vulnerable to obscure viruses like the one we are fighting n now. He want to keep americans from dying before their time . Then dont impoverish them. For all his credentials, experience, parent personal decency, dr. Anthony fauci does not seem to understand any of this, and we should definitely have someone like that from this country. Bret baier is our chief political a anchor and hosts special report every evening at 6 00 im always glad to see him, particularly tonight for political perspective on all of this. Thanks for coming on. Sure, tucker. Tucker underneath it all, essentially political questions, questions decided by people we elect as politicians. So whats the political backdrop behind the question of lockdowns . The president needs to decide whether to do a federalol lockdn are not. Ac where they act on that right now . He well, tucker, i like how yu started, saying dr. Faucirt is e of the worldrenowned, most respected Infectious Disease experts in the world, and he and deborah birx have had this way and the ear of President Trump from the beginning, and especially in recent weeks when whens tone has obviously changed and his actions changed. I do think the president is leaning towards letting the governors make their decision on shelter in place rules. And, as you mentioned, he is balancing out, basically, a nuclear bomb on the u. S. Econo economy. The chamber of commerce, say what you want about the u. S. Chamber of commerce and the data it puts out, but said that morning for four small businessessm either closed or teetering on closed. You have efforts to salvage these things, but for another month, alone let alone talk about year, you are talking about major devastation to the economy, and that is a policy decision that goes beyond the medical decision. The seriousness of it not taken away, youve been doing interviews about this virus since january, but there is a balance here that even dr. Fauci talked about with steph curry just a few days ago. He says there are places i think there are places in the country where you want to look carefully, and if you want to hold back a little bit on the restriction, so long as you dont let it rip and say i dont care what happens. You treat new york city a little different than the way you treat nebraska. Tucker and thats certainly encouraging to hear that. Without getting into details of the h numbers, im not, i dont think, fluent in it, speaking for myself, but it seems like the model has been fairly accurate on the death rate club may be the easier part to predict. Its often accurate at all on the hospitalization rate, h whih is significant for reasons we just explained. Have you come in covering this story, heard anybody making decisions mentioned that, that there are massive loss of predictions here . When pressed on it, experts say the models are only as good as the data that you put in, right . So the data they are getting from spain andm italy and these countries abroad, and now here in new york and new orleans and washington, they are putting that p in. It could change that curve, and once you start going down, maybe it changes the trajectory. Our late, great friend, dr. Charles krauthammer, said this about ebola. He said quarantini is the ultimate violation of civil liberties. Io having committed no crime and done no wrong, your sentence to health arrest or banishment. Its unfair, itsni unamerican, but in an epidemic threat, when it does, we do it because we must. Viruses dont wait. The sooner we reset the balance, the sooner we get serious. Theal problem is you have to get over that hump, and the economyo has to come back. Tucker thats right. You are making me miss charles coming up for the first time. Bret baier, great to see you tonight. Thank you for that. Sure. Tucker of next, we speak to a scientist featured in a Netflix Documentary who says we may have found a computer for the coronavirus. First, we look at the usually bustling town of santa monica. Tucker just days after this new come of this novel version of karl rove at a virus surfaced in wuhan, netflix released a document or call for the one of the stars was a doctor called jacob glanville, how how hisd about small lab able to find treatments with deadly diseases. Watch this. Se Major Pharmaceutical Companies have way more money and we more people than us, but my experience is in big pharma they typically move slow and are risk averse. There actually arent that many people as you might think working on new techniques. Thats worked to our advantage. Tucker now the physician you just saw says he may have found some kind of cure for coronavirus. Dr. Glanville joins us now. Doctor, thanks sous much for coming on. As you just said at the outset, we approach everything like this with skepticism and also with the mind of a nonscientist. Explained for our audience, me what this is and why you think it works. Sure. Thanks for having me on, tucker. What we have done as we have engineered neutralizing antibodies that go into block the virus. The coronavirus, if you were to zoom in on it, you would see a ring of spikes, and it uses the spikes to invade human cells. Weve identified a series of super potent antibodies thatsu block those spikes and therefore make the virus no longer s infectious. Tucker huh. So is this something that is done to defeat other viruses . Yeah, this is the thing that turned the tide against ebola. Ebola used to be a death sentence, about 50 mortality rate. Once a good antibody neutralizing solution was made, i think 94 of people can walk away. That transformed ebola from a dangerous crisis to a manageabla treatment. Weve also got antibodies to treat rabies, antibodies to treat babies, antibodies used for antivenom. This is an extremely wellestablished platform of technology and it has the advantage that you can produce antibodies much faster than you can make a vaccine, and as i heard you mentioned previously on all that modeling, every day counts. We are risking money and lives, and you want a treatment as quickly as possible. Tucker thats exactly right. Assuming this does work, how long would it take to get from your lab to the t public . Well, yeah, to address the question of skepticism, im glad you brought that up. Next move his hand this off to the u. S. Military, a consortium from the gates foundation, and some private groups, they will test the potency of neutralization of our therapeutic and also work with a laboratory to make sure the stuff iss safe to put into people, and we are going to go into scale that manufacturing. At that point when you do is you have phase one, 2 human trial, we are aiming to do that around august, giving that to about 600 patients, and antibody you can give and 6 to 10 days, versus a vaccine that takes weeks. Thats another advantage. As soon as we know a its safe, and b, they receive a antibody and no longer getting sick, you can release the drug through something called compassionate use. If you dont have something fda approved yet but you have proof of efficacy and was nothing else good, you can release that. Tucker last super quick question, because our segments on tv are not long enough really to explain something this complex and some of our viewers are going to want to follow up by searching online. If he wanted to type into google a term that would get you to an explanation from a deeper explanation of what this is, what would you type in . I would type in our website come with a whole bunch of information about therapeutics. Tucker centivax. Thank you, were rooting for you. Thank you very much. Tucker from the early days of the pandemic, doctors in the frontline have had good news about thee antimalaria drug hydroxy clerk when. The president , wanting to cheer up the nation, cited that drug as apy potential therapy, the press was the opposite of that. They opposed finding a cure for the coronavirus because they feared it might give the president some political advantage. This was everywhere. Here are a few examples. Usa today wrote this, dr. Donald trump petals snake oil and false hopes. Cnn in the same court, trump pedals trump is giving people false hopes. None of these people had any freaking clue they were talking about. In fact, they aree the one peddling on hudoctors who were actually treating people who are sick with the coronavirus seem to believe in it. Many of them do. But heres how we know that. A Global Survey of 6200 medical professionals currently fighting the coronavirus pandemic found that hydroxychloroquine was the most frequently cited drug and they would turn to to treat patients. They have the plurality, 37 , number 1 out of 15 options. The biggest believers in hydroxychloroquine were not people who watch fox news or governed by donald trump, they were doctors in spain and italy, two countries with the epidemic has been the worst. Just to let you know unequivocally, and for all time, that the media lied about a potential therapy to defeat this disease and save your life because they are political partisans. But i tell you everything you need to know. Fox medical contributor dr. Marc siegel joins us tonight. Doctor, thanks so much for coming on. With a dragging you into all of the political nonsense thats not your world, where you live or wheree you want to live. Tell us what doctors are saying about hydroxychloroquine. Hi, tucker. First of all, hydroxychloroquine has been looked at and tested in china and found to be very, very effective against this coronavirus, specifically a part of the cell with a virus enters. That was a very strong study. China also had some followup studies where they looked at the effects in people, and it looked very effective in people. In france, we talked about a studyan in france which was prey small, but show that it was effective. Now, as you said, doctors have been using it all over the United States. Many are saying that its working. Weve seenn new york state givig it to hundreds of people right now and hospitals with a lot of promising signs. And finally, the university of pennsylvania has just begun a major, double blinded, randomized, prospective critical trial for athena when they do that . When they spend that kind of money . When they believe a treatment may work. So i cant prove to you and works at this point, but its extremely promising, and theres a lot of evidence that does wo work. Tucker thats so interesting. Do you think, and this is politically tinged but i cannot resist, the terrible publicity this drug has received, just relentlessly over the past three weeks, this is a crackpot qr, this is snake oil, do you think that has made physicians hesitant to try it as a therap therapy . No, i think physicians go with what works. I think physicians are facing a situation where they dont know what to offer patients. Where patients areff getting w worse. Its very welltolerated for malaria prophylaxis. And forhe Rheumatoid Arthritis d lupus. You can use it for something this, and it makes doctors want to try it. Tucker thats right. I think a lot of us i know ive taken it on trips abroad to malaria zones, africa or whatever. Its a commonma drug. Heres another question i wanted to ask there is a message you said you would like to deliver to nurses and doctors tonight fighting the coronavirus. What is that . Tucker, caius kelly was a nurse who died last week, tragically, may not have had enough personal protective equipment. John murray is a 92yearold physician who helped discover he died of coronavirus. Weve seen a lot of medical professionals on the front lines, emergency technicians, nurses, doctors over 60 doctors in italy have died trying to treat the covid19 coronavirus. I have a medical student who i trained, and he is now graduating three months early at Nyu Langone Medical Center to go on the front lines to fight covid19. Hes reinvesting his soul and why he went into medicine in the first place. He has fears and worries about his familys but he is investing himself. A lot of doctors around new york are changing their profession, going from being an orthopedist are being retired or having been on the front lines to go fight the virus. With us the war against the virus. Health care workers, nurses, doctors, emts on the front lines paramedics and we should congratulate them for their efforts. Tucker i couldnt agree more. The rest of us are cowering in fear, and we should be afraid, and these people are jumping face first into a situation that can kill them. I really admire that. I think we should all admire that. Thank you, dr. Siegel, for saying that. Thank you, tucker. Tucker well, if you thought the shutdown in response to coronavirus might give you a respite, a brief holiday from the political lunacy weve been marinating inca for three years, think again. We will describe what some are doing to advance in the woke agenda as america fights the pandemic. Well be right back. Today i want to speak with you about coronavirus and a few practical ways your family can stay healthy. First, hand washing is essential. Children should wash their hands after coming in from outside, before eating, after coughing, sneezing or blowing their little noses. Second, limit all crowds and explain that no one is shaking hands or hugging because that is how germs can spread. What changes need to be made now, i encourage parents to let children know this will not last forever. I urge you to stay connected to family and loved ones, stay safe and remember while many of us are apart, we are all in this together. Please be sure to follow cdc guidelines which can be found at coronavirus. Gov along with other information and resources. Live from americas news headquarters, i marianne rafferty. The cdc now recommending americans were face masks to prevent the spread of covid19. A reversal for the agency, just weeks ago it said Face Coverings would not prevent Healthy People from getting the virus, but the cdc does not want people to use surgical or n95 masks because they are in short supply and urgently needed by health care workers. Nearly 278,000 americans are now infected with the virus, and more than 7,000 have died. And fans are mourning the death of legendary singersongwriter bill withers, a threetime grammy winner come his iconic hits include lean on me, aint no sunshine. He joined the navy at 17 and spent nine years as an Aircraft Mechanic before returning to a career in music. He suffered from heart problems and was 81. Im marianne rafferty. Now back to Tucker Carlson tonight. Tucker so the rest of the country is thinking about keeping their loved ones from dying from the wuhan coronavirus, but some political activists this pandemic is a perfect chance to push through their preexisting political agenda. Californial governor gavin newsm said as much out loud this week. The House Majority whip jim clyburn reportedly told Party Members the virus was a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision. Which, by the way, he is disgusting. For congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez, fighting a deadly virus is just a smaller front in the fight to push or punisher americans, rewd or punish them, for their skin color. Jerez obsession, a topic she is complete fixated on, arose in this tweet, covid rates the spiking disproportionately in black and brown communitys, because redlining, wealth gap, underlining health conditions. Inequality is a comorbidity, and it should be drafted with the lens of reparations. We should say theres nobody dumber or more shallow in america then list child of privilege come alexandria ocasiocortez. She should be quiet while the nation choppers and anyone suffers, and anyone who listens g to chris, thanks so much for coming on. It does feel like and this is not most people, im not accusing most democrats because i dont think theyre guilty of it, but there are some come at the core, we see this as an opportunity. What are they trying to do with that . Thats exactly right, and for the last 100 years, progressive and socialist movements have always sought to capitalize on the opportunities from wars,is famines, crisis, epidemics, to implement their political agenda and we are seeing the same thing happening now. Criminal justice advocates using this moment to empty out thousands and thousands of people from jail, you have people like Rashida Tlaib who are now advocating a 1 trillion platinum plan and distribute into the people, and you were seeing every kind of expensive, progressive and socialist idea, but i think this is the real thing, they are falling flat. Thyou have 10 Million People out of work. This kind of identity politics that has really captured American Life over the past few years is falling on deaf ears i hope there is a Silver Lining with the coronavirus that we can focus on real, tangible problems and leave identity politics behind. Tucker well, of course, because there is nothing more corrosive, transit country against itself andtr has always been a recipe for destruction, its never been a healing idea. This is speculative, but i cant resist, do you think the audience for this has shrunk . Do you think the average person even hears this garbage anymore, do they wave their hands and say oh, be quiet . Chose the disproportionate nature of our discourse. On twitter, you have this kind of high octane rhetoric that is capturing a very small group of activists,ca but if you actually go out into the cities and towns across america, people are really worrying about the things that matter. Theyre worried about their families, their jobs, small businesses. They are not worried about any ofri these abstract issues, andi think what it a really reveals s the decadelong failure of progressive politicians to tackle those real Kitchen Table issues, and they are reverting to abstractions, because they cantt make an argument on the merits that its working in rean life. Tucker totally right. We are looking at 30 unemployment and alexandria ocasiocortez giving a rich gold lecture on racism, its too much. Just be quiet, please. Chris,as thanks for coming on ce appreciated. Well, one goal that has been in progress for a long time among activists is being pursued with gusto during this shutdown, a plan to empty the nations prisons. Recently, california federal judge ordered immigrants to be released from i. C. E. If they ae vulnerable. Onee was a man released for having diabetes and hepatitis c. Hes a sex offender, guilty of chil molestation. Another man was convicted despite child abuse. Up until we have a vaccine for coronavirus and was on that will we have to release child molesters as long as they have diabetes. Meanwhile, people are beingte threatened with jail for going outside without permission. You saw authorities in florida arrest a minister for having a church service. They put the minister in prison and let the child molester out. E in virginia, you saw a shopkeeper in prison, hes there without bail for the crime of defending himself against burglars. By the way, he has diabetes, too, he just collapsed from it. Or they are keeping him without fail. Thats the progress of paradise. At this rate, they wont c wanto care for coronavirus because they are enjoying it so much for your question and say that from Everyone Wants a cure for coronavirus but they should not be using this moment to leverage their political views. They shouldnt. He its wrong. Well, federal regulators hindered the rollout for federal testing of coronavirus, and other holding up and sanitize her and others. Will tell you why after the break. And footage of a weirdly quiet los angeles. Use of musica these folks, they dont have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps. Com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the Amazing Services of the post office only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again tucker early in this epidemic, Medical Laboratories were blocked from testing for the disease by the cdc. Thats a story that needs to be told and much more detail, and at some point, we need to find out how and who did it. Butgh for right now, america is suffering a shortage of hand sanitizer, alcohol distilleries could step up to fix that shorte at the core of hand sanitizers ethanol. But they are now being hindered by fda safety rules, and its hard to r believe, but its tru. Jim copelands director of legal policy at the Manhattan Institute and we are happy to have him on. Y jim, thanks for joining us. Explain thanks for having me, tucker. Tucker of course. Well, when it comes to hand sanitizer, the alcoholbased hand sanitizers go through the food and drug administration, andni so they have been slow he, just as theyve been slow throughout this process, most notably at the Testing Process at the very outset of this, where they basically told private industry to stay away and let the cdc centers for Disease Control develop, manufacture, and conduct all testing in the United States, which is why our testing is so far behind most of the other developed countries. Tucker wev kind of laid off criticizing cdc on this show because there are a lot of good people there and we believe they are trying hard, but when the history of this period is written, cdc is going toer look like a villain, i think, becausc they really screwed up, and the fact that we had ethanol for thousands of years, we know what it is, we had a breat what do they needto test . s hands and at times her . Thats the way our regulatory system is set up. These regulators are experts, but experts in a narrow way, as you talked about earlier, talking about dr. Fauci. His boss, dr. Redfield, is a virologist with decades of research dealing with hiv, and dr. Hahn at the fda is a noted oncologist. These are experts, not political hacks in these jobs. Plus tucker right. They dont necessarily knowri how to mass produce and distribute a test on the scale that was necessary here, and we needed to bring in the private sector. We are seeing now that companies in the private sector are developing much better tests, quickly rolling about on a much greater scale. Tucker can i just ask the obvious question uc and again, there will be time to really get forensic about what happened, but is anyone at the cdc taking responsibility for their failure with testing, for producing flawed tests very late . Has anyone apologized . How i believe dr. Fauci did say at one of these press conferences that there were failures made. I mean, listen, no one wants to discourage of these folks. They are working hard. I think they have the best interest of the country at heart. Tucker sure. The problem is its a 1962 regulatory structure and we are more worried about eliminating error e rates than having perfectly safe tests perfectly safe drugs and vaccines, then rolling things out, and me and my colleagues have been talking about for years. I hope we reexamine at the end of this right now we need all hands on deck, but i hope at the end of this we reexamine the structure and realize that delaying the introduction also because lives. Tucker great to see you. More to come. We will be right back. Tucker thats it for us tonight. Were out of time, the week is over, its a different country than it was on monday and it will be a different country next friday. We hope you enjoy that. Thanks for spending an hour with us tonight. Sean hannity next. Sean think about this, a lot of breaking news this friday night. One month ago today, what were we thinking about . Voters in 14 states went to the polls. Was super thursday if youre joe biden, super tuesday but in all seriousness, what a difference one month can make, so much has changed. The shocking events of the last few weeks on the character in the course of this republic. This is a transformational time. Youre watching daily the books being rewritten on how the world and we will deal with pandemics. Very important decisions, life